2017 edge rusher

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Michael Bennett 2.0

Or 0.5...

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Huh. Didn't realize White was rated that low and Taco that high. Talk about wicked curveballs.

I've got both pretty low to be honest - I had white high-mid second I think and taco around the same place on my board although it's on my laptop and I'm on my phone so I'd have to check at another time

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Not all edge rushers need to have great bend to be successful. Like I said I wouldn't use him much outside yet but inside nobody is going to block him. He's too fast and too strong for gaurds to handle. He's a great character and worker and remember he's still a red shirt sophomore. Plus I'm not sure what to think of jernigan anymore....i almost forgot he was on the team the second half of this season

Ya Jernigan looked super improved in the first 6 games then be nose dived off the face of the earth. 

[Willbacker]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I've got both pretty low to be honest - I had white high-mid second I think and taco around the same place on my board although it's on my laptop and I'm on my phone so I'd have to check at another time

Just surprized everybodys got White so low. Seems a tradeback and possibly a tradeup in my scenario. Thanks for replying. Its still early and I have to look at guys like Charles Harris cuz I don't recall watching any Mizzou games.

[Italian Raven]

17 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Not all edge rushers need to have great bend to be successful. Like I said I wouldn't use him much outside yet but inside nobody is going to block him. He's too fast and too strong for gaurds to handle. He's a great character and worker and remember he's still a red shirt sophomore. Plus I'm not sure what to think of jernigan anymore....i almost forgot he was on the team the second half of this season

I feel the need to back your comment up.
I had to think of a certain 2016 top 3 guy, with a crazy punch but possessing just a decent bend.





Doesn´t it look like the Penn St - Ohio St 2015 game? 
Sure, Taco is far from a perfect product and not the exact definition of pass-rusher. Bosa wasn´t either. He only possessed a better counter to attack the inside and some already great use of the hands than the Wolverine.
Not like the latter one can´t manage to do so, tho.

(there are enough similar plays in other tapes, I just wanted to make it quick this time ) 

I really can´t decide how to rank these edge guys. 

Edited January 19 by Italian Raven

[ravensnation5220]

34 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

I feel the need to back your comment up.
I had to think of a certain 2016 top 3 guy, with a crazy punch but possessing just a decent bend.





Doesn´t it look like the Penn St - Ohio St 2015 game? 
Sure, Taco is far from a perfect product and not the exact definition of pass-rusher. Bosa wasn´t either. He only possessed a better counter to attack the inside and some already great use of the hands than the Wolverine.
Not like the latter one can´t manage to do so, tho.

(there are enough similar plays in other tapes, I just wanted to make it quick this time ) 

I really can´t decide how to rank these edge guys. 

Never really looked at taco much but I'm definitely gonna have a close look at him now after seeing that tape. Granted Florida st offensive line struggled all year. 

I feel the same way with the corners! It's nice to have this problem when the deepest parts of the draft match our team needs

[Italian Raven]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Never really looked at taco much but I'm definitely gonna have a close look at him now after seeing that tape. Granted Florida st offensive line struggled all year. 

I feel the same way with the corners! It's nice to have this problem when the deepest parts of the draft match our team needs

Yeah that Oline was pretty bad (LT was slow off the snap at times and they had some miscomunication in that game) but he´s a solid player. He´s dominating the run game in basically every tape and he does have the ability to get to the QB. If he falls to the second is purely due to the insane competition and his not elite athleticism.

On a side note, Trey Hendrickson (DE, Fl Atlantic) is dominating the Shrine practices. He has 9.5 sacks and 10 hurries this season (per ESPN)

Nate Hairstone (CB, Temple) also stood out.. he had some amazing press-man reps.
I also liked the WR from Ole Miss. He looked very fluid in his changes of direction and pretty natural in working back his routes.

[JoeyFlex5]

17 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Not all edge rushers need to have great bend to be successful. Like I said I wouldn't use him much outside yet but inside nobody is going to block him. He's too fast and too strong for gaurds to handle. He's a great character and worker and remember he's still a red shirt sophomore. Plus I'm not sure what to think of jernigan anymore....i almost forgot he was on the team the second half of this season

not all great rushers need bend but if you lack an elite first step it sure as hell helps to be able to keep the tackles hands off of you around the corner, otherwise theres not enough of an outside threat and you have a 1-dimensional edge rusher, at which point the tackle can compensate a bit to take away the inside without worrying about the bend. 

its not that i dont like charlton, i think hes gonna be a very good 3 down defender and he should move around a lot, but as far as a real edge rusher goes im not seeing it. he looks like his best fit by far is strong side 43DE, and with a good weight gain without losing a step he could be an effective weakside 34DE, but i think that would be wishful thinking because i dont think he has quite enough anchor for that. 

in short, i like taco as a prospect, i really do, and i think hes gonna be a damn solid player, i dont like him for us though. i dont think he brings what were lacking and desperately need and many other prospects could bring those things.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I feel the need to back your comment up.
I had to think of a certain 2016 top 3 guy, with a crazy punch but possessing just a decent bend.





Doesn´t it look like the Penn St - Ohio St 2015 game? 
Sure, Taco is far from a perfect product and not the exact definition of pass-rusher. Bosa wasn´t either. He only possessed a better counter to attack the inside and some already great use of the hands than the Wolverine.
Not like the latter one can´t manage to do so, tho.

(there are enough similar plays in other tapes, I just wanted to make it quick this time ) 

I really can´t decide how to rank these edge guys. 

bosa is also a known workaholic and an absolute freak of nature as far as strength goes. i get what youre saying and i had the same thoughts myself about taco, but hes a very, very, very poor mans version of bosa if you wanna make that comparison. bosa is also far more of a technician, much stronger and larger and far more violent, and still has better bend and a better jump off the snap. bosa was an unquestioned elite prospect who was nitpicked, taco is just a very good prospect under less scrutiny. 

[ravensnation5220]

59 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not all great rushers need bend but if you lack an elite first step it sure as hell helps to be able to keep the tackles hands off of you around the corner, otherwise theres not enough of an outside threat and you have a 1-dimensional edge rusher, at which point the tackle can compensate a bit to take away the inside without worrying about the bend. 

its not that i dont like charlton, i think hes gonna be a very good 3 down defender and he should move around a lot, but as far as a real edge rusher goes im not seeing it. he looks like his best fit by far is strong side 43DE, and with a good weight gain without losing a step he could be an effective weakside 34DE, but i think that would be wishful thinking because i dont think he has quite enough anchor for that. 

in short, i like taco as a prospect, i really do, and i think hes gonna be a damn solid player, i dont like him for us though. i dont think he brings what were lacking and desperately need and many other prospects could bring those things.

When I said that I wasn't thinking of taco. I was thinking of solomon, takk, and Harris. None bend that well but they all do have a great first step. I'm not sure who I want this year, there's too many options. BTW when are we gonna have a vote thread for the 16th pick!?!?!?!?!

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

When I said that I wasn't thinking of taco. I was thinking of solomon, takk, and Harris. None bend that well but they all do have a great first step. I'm not sure who I want this year, there's too many options. BTW when are we gonna have a vote thread for the 16th pick!?!?!?!?!

They all have incredible first steps. I think I mixed you up with someone else I was talking about taco with

 

[Boddiebroadus]

I am now on board with Harris at 16. Not my first choice but I definitely would not mind. 

[allblackraven]

 

[ravensnation5220]

30 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

Apparently he's been playing through it and didn't even know it was torn. He'll perform at the combine and have the surgery after. He won't need to bench press though. Tough kid I'll give him that. 

Edited January 20 by ravensnation5220

[Edgar]

On 1/19/2017 at 6:58 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

bosa is also a known workaholic and an absolute freak of nature as far as strength goes. i get what youre saying and i had the same thoughts myself about taco, but hes a very, very, very poor mans version of bosa if you wanna make that comparison. bosa is also far more of a technician, much stronger and larger and far more violent, and still has better bend and a better jump off the snap. bosa was an unquestioned elite prospect who was nitpicked, taco is just a very good prospect under less scrutiny. 

Keep in mind we are talking about picking at 16 not 6 (or 3).

I disagree with the assertion that Bosa had better bend. Charlton is good now but he has a high ceiling and if he works to improve he will be every bit the pro that Boss looks to be.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Keep in mind we are talking about picking at 16 not 6 (or 3).

I disagree with the assertion that Bosa had better bend. Charlton is good now but he has a high ceiling and if he works to improve he will be every bit the pro that Boss looks to be.

Bosa lost balance on his bend sometimes but it was pretty solid. Idk I guess being a fan of a 34 team for so long I'm partial to certain types. If I'm looking at a guy who looks like a straight up 43DE then I want them to at least be a freak show like bosa was, I just personally don't see the same exciting traits 

[Edgar]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosa lost balance on his bend sometimes but it was pretty solid. Idk I guess being a fan of a 34 team for so long I'm partial to certain types. If I'm looking at a guy who looks like a straight up 43DE then I want them to at least be a freak show like bosa was, I just personally don't see the same exciting traits 

Did you like Shaq Lawson? I did. Might be a better comp for Taco....im still watching Charlton but I'm four games in and I love him. 

I do see impressive bend in him...check out the one minute Mark of Rutgers film, for example.

Edited January 26 by Edgar

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Did you like Shaq Lawson? I did. Might be a better comp for Taco....im still watching Charlton but I'm four games in and I love him. 

I do see impressive bend in him...check out the one minute Mark of Rutgers film, for example.

I did like Lawson. And I also like taco, I just don't think he's a great fit for what we need is all. 

I actually see a fair comparison between him and judon, they're really similar on film. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Is Tim Williams officially considered a second rounder yet? 

I know combine could switch it up 

[Dubs]

I really am a big fan of Taco...I expect he continues to rise as the draft gets closer and would not be surprised if he is widely seen as the better prospect over Charles Harris. Personally he reminds me of a better version of Preston Smith--they both have such big and long bodies yet hold their weight extremely well and do everything in the field. NFL.com comparison is Chandler Jones which I see some of, but not sure if he plays with enough power to win inside like Jones has

[RaineV1]

46 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is Tim Williams officially considered a second rounder yet? 

I know combine could switch it up 

At this point I think he's an early second rounder. Some team like the Browns or Jaguars may take the risk on him due to the high reward they'd get if he works out.

[regz1997]

On 1/19/2017 at 4:31 PM, Italian Raven said:

Yeah that Oline was pretty bad (LT was slow off the snap at times and they had some miscomunication in that game) but he´s a solid player. He´s dominating the run game in basically every tape and he does have the ability to get to the QB. If he falls to the second is purely due to the insane competition and his not elite athleticism.

On a side note, Trey Hendrickson (DE, Fl Atlantic) is dominating the Shrine practices. He has 9.5 sacks and 10 hurries this season (per ESPN)

Nate Hairstone (CB, Temple) also stood out.. he had some amazing press-man reps.
I also liked the WR from Ole Miss. He looked very fluid in his changes of direction and pretty natural in working back his routes.

I really like Trey Hendrickson as a mid-late round steal. He's not extremely strong, but he is very quick with a non-stop motor. Small school prospect, but similar to Judon, it could cause him to slip through the cracks. 

[Italian Raven]

5 hours ago, regz1997 said:

I really like Trey Hendrickson as a mid-late round steal. He's not extremely strong, but he is very quick with a non-stop motor. Small school prospect, but similar to Judon, it could cause him to slip through the cracks. 

What I like about him is that he wins with very good mechanics, use of the hands and most importantly on the outside.

I like when edge guys perform some sweet inside moves in the 1on1 DL vs OL drills but I like even more when they can mix things up a little bit.

Keionta Davis basically benchpressed Justin Senior (OT, Miss St) driving him 8 yd into the backfield while maintaining control of the inside lane. Later on he beat his man with a smooth counter.

My favourite DTs are Tanzel Smart and Adams for that exact reason.. The former is the same exact copy of Javon Hargreave (who I loved last year), while I was always high on the latter due to the amount of C.Lawson tapes I've been watching

There's so much edge talent this yeear that I really hope we can double dip.

[RaineV1]

17 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

What I like about him is that he wins with very good mechanics, use of the hands and most importantly on the outside.

I like when edge guys perform some sweet inside moves in the 1on1 DL vs OL drills but I like even more when they can mix things up a little bit.

Keionta Davis basically benchpressed Justin Senior (OT, Miss St) driving him 8 yd into the backfield while maintaining control of the inside lane. Later on he beat his man with a smooth counter.

My favourite DTs are Tanzel Smart and Adams for that exact reason.. The former is the same exact copy of Javon Hargreave (who I loved last year), while I was always high on the latter due to the amount of C.Lawson tapes I've been watching

There's so much edge talent this yeear that I really hope we can double dip.

I really like Tanzel Smart and hope the Ravens get him in the draft. He seems perfectly suited to play a 3-4 DE and could be a real hidden gem.

[regz1997]

On 1/27/2017 at 4:28 AM, Italian Raven said:

What I like about him is that he wins with very good mechanics, use of the hands and most importantly on the outside.

I like when edge guys perform some sweet inside moves in the 1on1 DL vs OL drills but I like even more when they can mix things up a little bit.

Keionta Davis basically benchpressed Justin Senior (OT, Miss St) driving him 8 yd into the backfield while maintaining control of the inside lane. Later on he beat his man with a smooth counter.

My favourite DTs are Tanzel Smart and Adams for that exact reason.. The former is the same exact copy of Javon Hargreave (who I loved last year), while I was always high on the latter due to the amount of C.Lawson tapes I've been watching

There's so much edge talent this yeear that I really hope we can double dip.

I agree with the assessment about Hendrickson that he is a technician with his hands. But technique can be brushed up at the pro level. It makes me wonder if his good technique is simply masking a lack of physical talent. He's succeeded at FAU because of his ability to win the technique battle with his opponent, but I'm afraid in the NFL when he faces tackles with nearly perfect blocking form none of his college tricks will work. 

Edited February 9 by regz1997

[trevorsteadman]

Can somebody tell me why nobody is talking about Charles Harris really? I honestly think he is one of the best DE in this draft. If he were at 16 I would be thrilled to have him. He looks better to me than most of the other DE that others are talking about. Is there something about him scaring the team away?

[ravensnation5220]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Can somebody tell me why nobody is talking about Charles Harris really? I honestly think he is one of the best DE in this draft. If he were at 16 I would be thrilled to have him. He looks better to me than most of the other DE that others are talking about. Is there something about him scaring the team away?

There were several of us here who were hot on him not too long ago. It's kinda cooled down since. I still wouldnt mind having him. But if we can trade back a few dots and get him then that works too. There's a theme going on that if we trade back and can still land an instant impact player while getting more picks then we're on board. Get a guy like harris, feeney, lamp, or a corner and find a way to gain an extra second would be tremendous value

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

Can somebody tell me why nobody is talking about Charles Harris really? I honestly think he is one of the best DE in this draft. If he were at 16 I would be thrilled to have him. He looks better to me than most of the other DE that others are talking about. Is there something about him scaring the team away?

I'm still a big Harris fan but his hot time on the forums came a few weeks ago, I think we discussed him into the ground lol. 

Hes got the best first step in the class imo, and he has great rush moves, I don't love his bend though and that's my only issue. But he would bring something we don't have and that's an elite speed rush that also converts to inside rush moves. I'd take him at 16 no problems

[ravensnick]

7 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I really like Tanzel Smart and hope the Ravens get him in the draft. He seems perfectly suited to play a 3-4 DE and could be a real hidden gem.

Tanzel came in a little shorter than expected East-West Shrine game at 6'1", but I'd love to have a guy from my college play for the Ravens.

[rossihunter2]

the more i think about it the less likely i think it is that we get a pass rusher in round 1 without a trade back unless barnett somehow falls - i dont think harris or watt will be the top guy on the board at 16 and i think its safe to say williams is dropping on everyone's board - i have a feeling this is gonna be the kind of year where eric de costa nails the pick a week before the draft

Edited January 27 by rossihunter2