Who/What Was the #1 Top Reason For Missing Playoffs?

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Yeah look at Steelers game. When Steelers are trailing last 2 minutes Pees did not play the zone defense. You are not supposed to let them run out of bounds and stop the clock. Remember the TD scored with 9 seconds left? Now If you kept them in bounds clock runs it would never have happened. So,,, FIRE PEES!! 

........or tackle Brown and we're playing the Dolphins at M and T tomorrow.  

[Cillmatic]

10 hours ago, Static said:

Ravens can never keep healthy. Also Ronnie Stanley was picked higher than Jack Conklin yet Conklin might have been the best tackle this year and is 1st team all pro.

Cronklin plays RT. Comparing him to Stanley(who was the best LT of the last month) is ridiculous. Playing LT at a high level as a rookie is probably the hardest thing to do in football. Stanley was a great pick and he'll be fire next season.

[SuperBowl84]

4th quarter collapses, but because of the lack of running game. That's why the losses came. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

You fellas want to know what really pisses me off the most? 

 

WE SHOULD BE in the Playoffs Right Now!

We are better than half these teams, but we messed up!

 

And the LACK OF RED ZONE TD's really pisses me off! 

This is year after year after year, and the LACK OF BEING ABLE TO SAVE A 4th Quarter lead, Year After Year AFTER YEAR.      COACHING

Keep the same coaches Steve, beat your head against the <expleted deleted>ing wall, YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR

 

We are better than half of these playoff teams, but WE AINT GETTIN IT DONE.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Announcers just said Oakland spend$ 37.7 mil on their Oline? Anybody know what we spend offhandon ours?

[SuperBowl84]

Yeah seriously look at what Oakland is able to do with that O-line... if only we could do the same! 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Let X = Points Scored & let Y = Points Allowed

Now when X > Y, we won 8 times and when X < Y we lost 8 times.

Seriously, it was a tale of two offenses and a tale of two defenses. Neither unit was consistently good or consistently bad. To the contrary, both units were inconsistent all year. 

We scored 343 total points this year and allowed our opponents to score 321 total points. An elementary school student would probably understand that our margin of error to win games was very slim. On the average, the O scored ~ 21.5 ppg and the D allowed 20 ppg. The O scored 21 points or more in 9 games and we won 62.5% of them. The D allowed 21 or more points in 8 games and we lost 87.5% of them. Good teams with great defenses generally win when they allow their opponent fewer than 21 points. There is a high correlation between points allowed and winning. Our record was 7-1 in the games we allowed fewer than 21 points. We were 1-7 in the games when we allowed our opponent to score more than 20 points. Liars may figure but figures don't lie. The logical conclusion is that great defenses consistently hold their opponents to fewer than 21 points. Our D did so in 8 of our 16 games. While high-octane offenses sell tickets and are exciting to watch, the truth is offenses do not have to score a ton of points to win. The correlation between points scored and winning is typically not as high as the former correlation. Three of the highest scoring teams in the NFL this year were Arizona, New Orleans and Atlanta. It will be interesting to see how the Dirty Birds fare in the playoffs although I don't know much about their defense. 

In summary, we are who our record says we are --- an average team. Depending on one's perspective that can either be good or bad or neither. For instance, the "average" American is overweight. Is that good? IMO, average is mediocrity and mediocrity is bad. So, IDK the answer to the excellent, thought provoking question posted by OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL but I have a good hunch it starts with rebuilding the D but that's just another "Old School" guy talking.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Announcers just said Oakland spend$ 37.7 mil on their Oline? Anybody know what we spend offhandon ours?

we spend next to nothing on ours. yandas contract i believe takes up most of it and he is a bargain for the production he gives.

[Steve0x]

8 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Announcers just said Oakland spend$ 37.7 mil on their Oline? Anybody know what we spend offhandon ours?

I heard that too.. Biscotti is one step away being like Peter Angelos 

[hn68wb4]

9 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Announcers just said Oakland spend$ 37.7 mil on their Oline? Anybody know what we spend offhandon ours?

I mean, our starting oline consists of three guys on their rookie contracts - Stanley ($3.7M this year), Lewis ($600K this year), and Wagner ($1.7M this year), Zuttah who was a mid price center making ~$4.6M this year, and Yanda who should be making a heck of a lot more than he does at ~$4M this year (it's back loaded, even though he makes less cap wise this year, his contract is far bigger than Zuttah's - who makes about the exact same every year). So basically we're spending about $14.6M this year on our starting oline, but raw numbers don't tell the full story, take Oakland's $37.7M and compare it to Dallas' $16.3M, you can go out and buy a line or you can build one yourself, both are valid strategies, one just takes longer but saves you cap.

As i said, three are on rookie contracts and it's easy to spend alot on oline when you're literally drowning in cap space as Oakland was this past offseason. Just wait until they have to pay Carr, then they'll start having to make some sacrifices too.

Edited January 8 by hn68wb4

[rossihunter2]

On 07/01/2017 at 10:10 AM, Static said:

Ravens can never keep healthy. Also Ronnie Stanley was picked higher than Jack Conklin yet Conklin might have been the best tackle this year and is 1st team all pro.

conklin is playing on the right side which is completely different - not only that but over the last 6 weeks of the season Ronnie Stanley was the best pass-protecting tackle in the league period - not just best rookie tackle or top 5-10 - he was the best

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

we spend next to nothing on ours. yandas contract i believe takes up most of it and he is a bargain for the production he gives.

True, but you also had three guys starting last season on their rookie deals, and they all played pretty well overall. 

[rmcjacket23]

18 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Announcers just said Oakland spend$ 37.7 mil on their Oline? Anybody know what we spend offhandon ours?

Not hard to see why they can spend that much money on their Oline.

Their QB had a cap hit of $1.4M, their best WR had a cap hit of $5.1M, and their All-World pass rusher had a cap hit of $5.1M... all playing on rookie deals.

Give that about 2 years, and then come back and tell me how much they're spending on their Oline. One of the perks of being irrelevant for over a decade is you get a lot of good draft picks, and you never have to spend any money because you have no good players to retain.

That's about to change. I can guarantee you this... once they sign Carr, Cooper and Mack to long term extensions, they won't be paying $7M for a Center or $12M for a Guard anymore.

However, I will give the Raiders credit. They knew that they had a boatload of cap space to spend in the short term, and they structured almost all of their deals wisely. KO's contract is basically a two year deal... he has no more guaranteed money after 2017 and no dead money beyond that.

Edited January 8 by rmcjacket23

[jar2260]

For the last drive in the steelers game we played prevent, to loose, allowed Pitt to walk down field in less than a minute!

[SuperBowl84]

They always say does prevent defense only prevent you from winning, haha.

[edthehead]

coaches,

[ellicottraven]

I'll name two: Marty and Flacco was a match made in hell. Marty seems like he is a walk over and will call any play to please Flacco even if it is a bad pass call on first down on the one yard line.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

OL issues in the first 7 games of the season.... and especially the 4 game losing streak.

Followed by lack of quality depth at CB when Jimmy was injured. Both issues culminated in that 4 game skid, and if we won even 1 of those 4 we're probably in the playoffs. If we win 2 we definitely are.

[NYCRAVEN4LIFE]

Harbaugh is a bad coach. There's no other way around it, I'm sorry. His brother is bad too.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, NYCRAVEN4LIFE said:

Harbaugh is a bad coach. There's no other way around it, I'm sorry. His brother is bad too.

Then how do they just manage to win all the time, pretty much everywhere?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, NYCRAVEN4LIFE said:

Harbaugh is a bad coach. There's no other way around it, I'm sorry. His brother is bad too.

Love these insightful comments filled with analysis. 

[robbie29]

The #1 reason the Ravens didn't make the playoffs- they are simply not a playoff calibre team. The only stellar players are Tucker and Yanda. There's been a massive leadership void since Ray Lewis retired. The QB is below average and has zero playmakers. Injuries have devastated this team. And so on and so on...each season Since 2012 there have always been a combination of things holding this team back. One could argue that Kubiak had more to do with the 2014 playoff appearance than anything else. You are what your record says you are, and since 2012 the Ravens have barely managed to be a mediocre team. Unless youre the 2010 Seahawks or 2014 Panthers, mediocrity won't get you to the playoffs.

[Euterpe]

Reason Ravens didn't make the payoffs?

 

HARBAUGH - he was directly and immediately responsible for losing 3 games with his stupid coaching decisions.

[3-4ravdef509]

Bad luck. Plain and simple.

 

No seriously, that's literally it. 

We only played a couple bad games, and we still played our way back in those to almost win. 

Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way.

 

That's not to say we don't have flaws, but only two teams are close to being elite, and one has gone the whole year with a rookie qb and the other lost it's best receiving weapon. Everyone else has flaws just like us, and we just had some bad breaks in some close games

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 1/9/2017 at 7:34 PM, Euterpe said:

Reason Ravens didn't make the payoffs?

 

HARBAUGH - he was directly and immediately responsible for losing 3 games with his stupid coaching decisions.

Well then, i can easily say - Defense! Them crumbling at the end was directly responsible for losing a couple games.

So then I can easily say its PEES - bc he calls the defense!

So then I can say its Harbs - bc he hired Pees!

So its also Ozzie and Bisciotti - bc theyve decided to retain Harbs! 

 

So, really its the entire organization!!!! Fire everyone, sell the team and move em to Las Vegas! 

But as we know, the initial premise is flawed, bc we wouldnt have had a chance at the playoffs with 2 games remaining if not for the defense carrying us there.

 

Let me ask - who would you choose to coach this team, that is actually available as a candidate that would be an improvement on Harbs?

[January J]

Jimmy getting injured. With him on the feild we almost def beat the giants- and probably Pittsburgh and Cincinnati as well. That's 11 wins right there. Crazy how a couple plays can change the whole outlook of a season so drastically.  Too often we beat ourselves. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Jimmy getting injured. With him on the feild we almost def beat the giants- and probably Pittsburgh and Cincinnati as well. That's 11 wins right there. Crazy how a couple plays can change the whole outlook of a season so drastically.  Too often we beat ourselves. 

I went with OL injuries, and Jimmy as well.

Crazy how the Giants game flipped when Jimmy went out. Jimmy changes how we play the Steelers, bc we know he'll shut his side down, so we can actually put Tavon, a safety and a LB on Brown without really becoming weak elsewhere.

[January J]

On second thought:

Our defense and offense not showing up in the same game. At first our defense was keeping us alive and our offense was holding us back. Then when our offense started to click our defense fell apart and ran out of gas. Bisciotti touched on this in the presser-  If they could've just played well at the same time we'd have several more wins. 

Not clicking in all 3 phases was our downfall. Along with playing to not lose instead of playing to win.

[JEEPercreepermd]

On 1/8/2017 at 0:15 AM, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Let X = Points Scored & let Y = Points Allowed

Now when X > Y, we won 8 times and when X < Y we lost 8 times.

Seriously, it was a tale of two offenses and a tale of two defenses. Neither unit was consistently good or consistently bad. To the contrary, both units were inconsistent all year. 

We scored 343 total points this year and allowed our opponents to score 321 total points. An elementary school student would probably understand that our margin of error to win games was very slim. On the average, the O scored ~ 21.5 ppg and the D allowed 20 ppg. The O scored 21 points or more in 9 games and we won 62.5% of them. The D allowed 21 or more points in 8 games and we lost 87.5% of them. Good teams with great defenses generally win when they allow their opponent fewer than 21 points. There is a high correlation between points allowed and winning. Our record was 7-1 in the games we allowed fewer than 21 points. We were 1-7 in the games when we allowed our opponent to score more than 20 points. Liars may figure but figures don't lie. The logical conclusion is that great defenses consistently hold their opponents to fewer than 21 points. Our D did so in 8 of our 16 games. While high-octane offenses sell tickets and are exciting to watch, the truth is offenses do not have to score a ton of points to win. The correlation between points scored and winning is typically not as high as the former correlation. Three of the highest scoring teams in the NFL this year were Arizona, New Orleans and Atlanta. It will be interesting to see how the Dirty Birds fare in the playoffs although I don't know much about their defense. 

In summary, we are who our record says we are --- an average team. Depending on one's perspective that can either be good or bad or neither. For instance, the "average" American is overweight. Is that good? IMO, average is mediocrity and mediocrity is bad. So, IDK the answer to the excellent, thought provoking question posted by OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL but I have a good hunch it starts with rebuilding the D but that's just another "Old School" guy talking.

So, what you're saying is that when you score more points than you allow, you win? Interesting theory 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

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