Flex Mock 2.0.

[hn68wb4]

I actually really like Peppers, at the start of the CFB season I hated him and thought that anyone taking him in the top 20 was foolish, but man have my opinion changed. Watching tape of this year - and watching some Michigan games in full - he has really stood out and I'd love to have him next to Weddle/Webb next year, not to mention what he brings as a return man. The value he brings at 17-19 range is undeniable and I'd be very happy at the pick, he's not my preferred, but I'd be happy.

Still haven't gotten around to watching Tre'Davious White yet, maybe soon.

I gotta say, I'm just not a fan of Kupp at all. I suppose in the third he'd be good value, but I'd rather address another position there, perhaps Oline depth. Kupp just doesn't jump out at me on tape and, frankly, I think many overrate what he brings to the table pertaining to intangibles.

I'd love Anderson in the third, but I just don't see him being there, I think he'll come off the board in the second following Carl Lawson.

Love Ejuan Price, again, I'm not sure if he's there in the 4th. Even though he has size concerns and some question his ability to be a 3 down player in the NFL, his pass rushing skills are unreal, I think the third comp would be a more realistic place for him to go.

Overall I'd like the draft, I don't like that Oline wasn't addressed early, I think we have to address the lack of depth with one pick in the first 4, I really like the top of the class for interior linemen and would be sort of disappointed if we let it pass us by completely.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I actually really like Peppers, at the start of the CFB season I hated him and thought that anyone taking him in the top 20 was foolish, but man have my opinion changed. Watching tape of this year - and watching some Michigan games in full - he has really stood out and I'd love to have him next to Weddle/Webb next year, not to mention what he brings as a return man. The value he brings at 17-19 range is undeniable and I'd be very happy at the pick, he's not my preferred, but I'd be happy.

Still haven't gotten around to watching Tre'Davious White yet, maybe soon.

I gotta say, I'm just not a fan of Kupp at all. I suppose in the third he'd be good value, but I'd rather address another position there, perhaps Oline depth. Kupp just doesn't jump out at me on tape and, frankly, I think many overrate what he brings to the table pertaining to intangibles.

I'd love Anderson in the third, but I just don't see him being there, I think he'll come off the board in the second following Carl Lawson.

Love Ejuan Price, again, I'm not sure if he's there in the 4th. Even though he has size concerns and some question his ability to be a 3 down player in the NFL, his pass rushing skills are unreal, I think the third comp would be a more realistic place for him to go.

Overall I'd like the draft, I don't like that Oline wasn't addressed early, I think we have to address the lack of depth with one pick in the first 4, I really like the top of the class for interior linemen and would be sort of disappointed if we let it pass us by completely.

i just dont think were in good range for addressing the OL, but i LOVE this class. now if we were to trade back to the mid-late 20s id love to nab one of the top OL. i dont care if feeney is getting 2nd round grades in the media, hes a first round talent in my eyes, and quenton nelson is as well, ND has really been cranking out some excellent blockers lately. say we have a team in the bottom 6 who wants to trade all the way up to our pick for another 2nd, id take it in a heartbeat and change my whole draft strategy and target nelson or feeney in the first and then engram in the 2nd and BPA with the extra second. 

 

[redlobster]

Peppers has bust written on him in my opinion. He reminds me of an Al Davis pick from 20 years ago. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, redlobster said:

Peppers has bust written on him in my opinion. He reminds me of an Al Davis pick from 20 years ago. 

not sure where you see that. he may not be everyone first choice because he doesnt fill an immediate need but nothing about him looks like a bust imo.

[Wildabeast88]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not sure where you see that. he may not be everyone first choice because he doesnt fill an immediate need but nothing about him looks like a bust imo.

The only thing I can see that maybe others see is the lack of ints and maybe that tweeter label although others have had success with Deon Buchanan type players  who played S in college who went to LB in the NFL. That is the biggest issue other than the aforementioned immediate need.

[jboy19]

I love when people post these mocks. I'm still unsure about Peppers though. I think he has the instincts to be an NFL safety, but his stiff hips and lack of fluidity in coverage are what scares me (along with the very little impact he seemed to make on Michigan's defense). 

I'm also surprised by how often that I see Ejuan Price on these mocks. I understand why a lot of people look at his short frame and think of Dumervil, but I haven't really seen the same speed-power conversion thats made Dumervil an effective pass rusher. Hopefully that could be developed if hes drafted by the Ravens though. 

[Cillmatic]

No way we spend a first round pick on ANOTHER safety who sucks in coverage.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not feeling this draft to be honest. I think Peppers has potential but I just don't see the indicators to take him that high.  You really think Barnett and Williams are both off the board by then? I also don't know about Jones having a meteoric rise to the top people said the same about Alexander around this time.  And then you don't address OLB at all? I'd rather we take Mike Williams in this scenario than Peppers

[JoeyFlex5]

57 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not feeling this draft to be honest. I think Peppers has potential but I just don't see the indicators to take him that high.  You really think Barnett and Williams are both off the board by then? I also don't know about Jones having a meteoric rise to the top people said the same about Alexander around this time.  And then you don't address OLB at all? I'd rather we take Mike Williams in this scenario than Peppers

id take mike williams as well, but i think williams goes top 10, i think jones is the first or 2nd corner taken, and i think barnett goes top 10 and i think williams gets snatched up right ahead of us. 

 

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

No way we spend a first round pick on ANOTHER safety who sucks in coverage.

i wouldnt say peppers sucks in coverage, just unproven considering he was used as a LB in michigan. people said the same about ramsey because he was an attacking type of SS in his best season and he was declaring as a cb, but he did pretty damn well in coverage as a rookie. you and your hyperboles cill.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

id take mike williams as well, but i think williams goes top 10, i think jones is the first or 2nd corner taken, and i think barnett goes top 10 and i think williams gets snatched up right ahead of us. 

 

i wouldnt say peppers sucks in coverage, just unproven considering he was used as a LB in michigan. people said the same about ramsey because he was an attacking type of SS in his best season and he was declaring as a cb, but he did pretty damn well in coverage as a rookie. you and your hyperboles cill.

Let's be honest here: it sounds to me like you're just assuming all other teams will continue to snipe players we fans like so you're decreasing your expectations to ease the potential possibility we don't get these guys. I understand if that's the case but you shouldn't make these predictions just yet...there's so much time until the draft. So much can change between now and then. Myles Garrett likely goes top 5 but can you honestly predict who goes that high besides him? Allen maybe and probably but even then who knows honestly? 

[JoeyFlex5]

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Let's be honest here: it sounds to me like you're just assuming all other teams will continue to snipe players we fans like so you're decreasing your expectations to ease the potential possibility we don't get these guys. I understand if that's the case but you shouldn't make these predictions just yet...there's so much time until the draft. So much can change between now and then. Myles Garrett likely goes top 5 but can you honestly predict who goes that high besides him? Allen maybe and probably but even then who knows honestly? 

well its all predictions and its too early to make predictions about the draft at all, but thats all this is, speculation and predictions. and as of now, considering how highly valued edge rushers are, i find it hard to believe that at least one of those 2 dont go top 10, and while whoever remains(most likely williams) COULD fall quite a bit, i just see his measurables and have a hard time believing that some team in the top 20 isnt going to pounce on the thought of getting a top shelf edge rusher in the mid to late teens. he is just so appealing for the modern NFL. 

im not one who believes other teams are sniping our prospects, its just that in the bigger picture, we have had needs at the flashiest positions for a long time now, to get a quality player at these positions you often need to be picking in the top half, sometimes players fall through the cracks but more often than not guys like tim williams, mike williams, and derek barnett go earlier than guys at the less flashy positions and where we are picking we are usually left choosing between 2nd round guys at sexy positions or real first round talents at the boring positions where we are already doing pretty well at. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On December 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

i would love to have one of the first 2 i just dont see it though. 

i cant give mckinley a top 20 grade man, i just cant. great hustle, good explosion and bend, but not enough imo, he doesnt disengage well and looks like a project to me.

I am so torn on Takk. He has all the traits you would want that really can't be coached, hustle, bend, explosion, but does not have great hand use or signature pass rushing moves. But if he gets those down, he is dangerous. I foresee a safe pick but if Jones, peppers, Barnett, Williams, are all gone then who would we really take? I cannot fathom we ignore CB and Pass rusher early. 

[RavensDieHard21]

We need to pray that at least 3 QBs go before us so that Williams or Barnett fall to us. Ozzie cannot continue this "he is coming right for us approach." Dez in 10', Peters and Ray in 15'. We need to get aggressive and grab the guys we love. If I had my way, I would make a move with a pick strapped team and get Williams or Sidney Jones. We get up 3-4 spots and we can make it happen. Realistically a 3rd or combo of 4th and 5th. 

[rav3nsnation]

1st.) Cam Robinson- I say we get someone who could make our offensive line from weak to top 10 in a couple years assuming we stay healthy. Imagine having Ronnie Stanley, and Cam Robinson as our tackles, could become as good as Lewan and Conklin as a rising pair of tackles.I say we let go of Rick Wagner and use that money to retain B Williams

2nd.) Tre'Davious White- As many here i love this kid one of the best cover corners ive seen in a couple years, yes he has his tackling problems but i think with Frazier improving our secondary like this year he could become decent at tackling. If White joined us he could help make our secondary elite even if/when Jimmy goes down pairing with Young and Weddle(who could help mentor him).

3rd.) Cooper Kupp- This may be suprising to you guys because he come from a small school, but this kid is sure handed,great after the catch, and could help Flacco move the chains while he is here. I see him as a Jordy Nelson type with hands and YAC, definitely the gem of this draft in my opinion.

3rd.) Tyler Orlosky- Good center to hopefully replace zuttah who is a flag machine and absolute trash. This kid may be something special great bend and is incredibly smart to pair along with a young O Line if we get Robinson to go with Lewis Stanley and Yanda

How you feel about this mock?

[FastEddie]

On 12/30/2016 at 2:44 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

since we have a good idea of where were picking, and college is about to wrap up so prospects will be relatively in-place until the combine nears, i thought it would be a good time to give it another go until the draft process really heats up. 

for reference of where i project us to be come draft time(not going to bother with players buried on the depth chart, focusing on major roster moves)... 

cuts: kendrick lewis, dennis pitta, elvis dumervil, ben watson. 

losses to FA: brandon williams 

re-signings/extensions: kyle juszczyk, rick wagner, lardarius webb(cut and re-signed on the cheap), mike wallace, kamar aiken, terrence west, lawrence guy.

possible FA signings: i wouldnt be surprised to see us bring in vincent jackson, typical ravens WR pickup, veteran guy who can hold onto the ball and can give flacco a legit target to look to at least for a year or 2. kenny britt is another guy who fits that mold although hes less of a veteran presence and more of a playmaking presence(i think garcon gets re-signed). JC tretter will be our blockbuster addition.

 

now, onto the draft... 

ROUND 1:  

Jabril Peppers, S, Michigan. 

im calling the ravens to go pure BPA here. i think sidney jones has a meteoric rise to be the top corner taken, we wont want jalen tabor because hes a bust waiting to happen(could elaborate if anyone wants) and i think both barnett and williams are going before we pick, if williams isnt taken its because of character concerns which means we will steer clear as well. Might not get everyone excited because he doesnt fill an immediate need and doesnt seem to be an upgrade in coverage, but its ok... he is still going to be a star, he was used as a linebacker at michigan which could explain his lack of plays in coverage, but that doesnt mean hes a slouch. his football IQ looks to be on the same level as Mosley when he was coming out, and he probably has the 4th/5th best overall combination of athleticism, build, and pure football ability of any player in this class aside from garrett, allen, and fournette. the tweener label drops a top 10 talent to the mid teens where we snatch him up, and just like with mosley, fans wont see the big picture and throw a fit over it, but 2 years from now when webb is gone and we have a first team all pro SS in his place, the complaining will stop. he'll be an elite return man as a rookie and will likely make a big impact in the nickel, and before the season is over weddle is playing single high and peppers is taking the strong role. 

ROUND 2: 

 

Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU. 

all remaining pass rush prospects are gone, i believe elflein is going to go much earlier than hes currently projected(ryan kelly situation, and elflein is much better), and i dont really see any prospects being available at this point that would be better. ive been a big fan of this guy since last year when everyone thought he was a shoe-in to declare, he was getting 2nd round hype then, and hes gotten the same hype all year in 2016, which is fitting for such a steady cover corner. hes a fluid athlete and cover guy, good change of direction and loose hips. he gets handsy at times, but hes subtle and keeps his distance and doesnt mug guys up and down the field like jalen tabor. always turns his head, "plays the ball" rather than making the play on the ball, in other words he defends the pass first and goes for turnovers second. good recovery speed and seems to improvise well on broken/extended plays. put tavon young in the slot because this guy is our #2 almost immediately, and with him and peppers, our secondary goes from inconsistent and reliant on jimmy, to elite. 

ROUND 3: 

 

Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington. 

this guy has "Flaccos go-to-guy" written all over him. he is a nifty route runner, quick and nimble yet big bodied, sure handed, physical as hell, great YAC, and sneaky speed. this kid is THE sleeper of the draft in my opinion. small school status and seeming lack of explosiveness will keep his stock low, but he has excellent pro traits and would fit right in with the ravens offense. 

COMP: 

Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama. 

Albert McLellan can now step aside. this guy is a solid all around outside linebacker with room for growth. underrated player in bamas front seven, provides a little edge rush, holds the edge well, moves well in space and in traffic, just all around steady, fits the ravens mantra. he could be a fixture in the future, giving us a solid blue collar OLB who offers more upside than say an upshaw or jarrett johnson did, because he does have some pass rushing chops, having a decent first step, low center of gravity and decent bend and hand usage as well, he could improve in those areas but he isnt exactly lacking anywhere. maybe a redshirt guy, or maybe he earns a starting spot with smart play and a high motor, could stand to add about 10 lbs at which point he could be an excellent 1st and 2nd down OLB. 

4TH ROUND: 

Ejuan Price, OLB, Pitt. 

spark plug, one of my most underrated guys. his burst and bend is elite, he is a smaller guy, but with his low center of gravity and excellent lean and flexibility he is able to go untouched into the pocket quite often, and i think he could do the same in the NFL. i would think hes an immediate fan favorite with his great intensity. he actually plays stronger than his size would suggest, he brings a punch with his momentum and low center of gravity and has lightning quick hands to keep himself disengaged. he wont ever be a starter and wont ever be setting any edges, but he is a dangerous player to pair with other pass rushers, because he HAS to be accounted for simply because of how quickly he can make a play if he isnt. 

 

thats all im gonna do for now. BPA early and avoiding reaches for needs, and in turn we address future needs and find studs. double dip at OLB hoping we strike gold with polar opposite picks, one being a steady contributor and the other being undersized thus questionable but having a high ceiling because of his incredible burst and bend. tried my best to be ravens-like and realistic here which is why i took peppers who i think would be a typical ozzie move, and the realism comes in round 2 because i dont think guys like elflein/feeney/davis/king etc. will be available there. however i think tre'davious white will be.

 

 

 

 

I would be ecstatic if this is how it played out. Agree on all aspects

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, FastEddie said:

I would be ecstatic if this is how it played out. Agree on all aspects

Is it just me or does the prospect of jabrill peppers scare anyone else as well - I just don't know where he'd play - maybe it's just me

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Is it just me or does the prospect of jabrill peppers scare anyone else as well - I just don't know where he'd play - maybe it's just me

It's understandable. And like I and many others typically do, I've changed my mind about taking him in the first. I still like him a lot, and I think it wouldn't take long for him to find a starting job here and would present a future upgrade, it would still be kinda reckless of a pick. 

 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's understandable. And like I and many others typically do, I've changed my mind about taking him in the first. I still like him a lot, and I think it wouldn't take long for him to find a starting job here and would present a future upgrade, it would still be kinda reckless of a pick. 

 

i just really dont like the fit - and i dont really see the value of his style of play in - he's a classic tweener-type prospect

[hereweare]

Is the consensus that Mike Williams and Corey Davis will both be gone before 16?

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, hereweare said:

Is the consensus that Mike Williams and Corey Davis will both be gone before 16?

i dont think corey davis will be

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, hereweare said:

Is the consensus that Mike Williams and Corey Davis will both be gone before 16?

Williams is likely gone. Corey Davis shouldn't be but as it stands right now he isn't exactly a value pick at 16.

[hereweare]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i dont think corey davis will be

 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Williams is likely gone. Corey Davis shouldn't be but as it stands right now he isn't exactly a value pick at 16.

Ok. The man is freakish though!

Edited January 11 by hereweare

[January J]

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's understandable. And like I and many others typically do, I've changed my mind about taking him in the first. I still like him a lot, and I think it wouldn't take long for him to find a starting job here and would present a future upgrade, it would still be kinda reckless of a pick. 

 

Same here. Was high on him at first but have come to realize there are much safer and smarter picks. All depends how the board shakes out though.

[Cillmatic]

On 1/11/2017 at 0:41 PM, rossihunter2 said:

Is it just me or does the prospect of jabrill peppers scare anyone else as well - I just don't know where he'd play - maybe it's just me

If we draft him I wouldn't even watch the rest of the draft. That dude is a grade A bust. He's not very good at any position beside kick returner, and I've seen him drop a few.

[Drew P]

On 1/11/2017 at 11:57 AM, hereweare said:

Is the consensus that Mike Williams and Corey Davis will both be gone before 16?

Damn I hope they dont pull a Matt Millen and draft a WR in the first based on size.

[hereweare]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

Damn I hope they dont pull a Matt Millen and draft a WR in the first based on size.

Haha common, don't like Corey Davis' hands??

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, hereweare said:

Haha common, don't like Corey Davis' hands??

He looked good against trash competition. You don't want to miss this pick, especially when Ozzie struggles with WRs in the first place. Too many safer picks that will elevate us to the playoffs. I'd almost rather have Ross or Samuel due to versatility, assuming they were trade back options or taken In the second. 

[JoeyFlex5]

14 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

He looked good against trash competition. You don't want to miss this pick, especially when Ozzie struggles with WRs in the first place. Too many safer picks that will elevate us to the playoffs. I'd almost rather have Ross or Samuel due to versatility, assuming they were trade back options or taken In the second. 

correction, he was absolutely dominant against D2 competition. which is what you look for in small school guys, see: matt judon, brandon williams, lardarius webb, and.... drumroll.... jerry rice.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm really really impressed by Davis. That guy can flat out ball and gets YAC. I love how he plays football. I still have plenty of games to watch but I've seen three and came away impressed in each 

[Drew P]

24 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm really really impressed by Davis. That guy can flat out ball and gets YAC. I love how he plays football. I still have plenty of games to watch but I've seen three and came away impressed in each 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/corey-davis-vs-wisconsin-2016/