Should Ravens focus on building an Elite Offense or Defense?

[Steve0x]

When you keep letting steelers hanging around sooner or later they gonna beat you in the last 2 minutes of the game. Thats what close games do. You gotta have QB throwing bombs down the field and have receivers speed down the field, You gotta practice this thats what harbaugh isn't doing during practices. A real tough coach would make players do it over and over again until it catches up perfectly for them. Like run a play and throw 50 yards down the field with an practice squad defense. If they drop it they're start all over until they get it right. And we will be here all day and all night until you do the play perfectly i don't care if you're tired and exhausted you'll do it all over again and again until you catch those passes. Then eventually they learn to catch it. And then game day you should have no trouble dropping these passes. 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Thats how you win NFL games. You try to score 40-55 points a game. I remember Colts put 58 points up the board vs Bills at Memorial Stadium. I was at that game 

Colts 58, Bills 20. Dec. 12, 1976. Baltimore’s Memorial Stadium. The most points allowed in Bills history and the worst run-for-the-bus finale in team history.

 

Source http://buffalonews.com/2013/08/20/bills-20-worst-defeats/

 

This just makes no sense what so every.  you want to follow a blue print when it was a completely different league with completely different rules.  I mean, I don't know how old you are, but you really need to get out of that mindset of "back in my day"

[52520Andrew]

43 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Offense!! Remember what the 75-77 Colts offense had,,Remember the Chargers offense had during the 80s. Thats what i want Ravens to focus. Building an O-Line  get more recievers and 2 power backs

How many Super Bowl wins do the Chargers have?

[Steve0x]

2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

How many Super Bowl wins do the Chargers have?

None because they had no defense

[Steve0x]

And Nether did Bert Jones Colts never been to the super bowl 

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

None because they had no defense

Exactly

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

None because they had no defense

Your advocating for building an elite offense.....

[Steve0x]

19 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Your advocating for building an elite offense.....

Yes,,Thats what the fans want to see. An high scoring machine!  

Edited January 3 by Steve0x

[usmccharles]

Just now, Steve0x said:

Yes,,Thats what the fans want to see. An high scoring machine!  

Yet, you just said the Chargers didn't win a SB because they had no defense. So you just want us to score a bunch of points and not win SBs, got it.  Do you not see the conundrum here?  And not all fans want that. 

[Steve0x]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yet, you just said the Chargers didn't win a SB because they had no defense. So you just want us to score a bunch of points and not win SBs, got it.  Do you not see the conundrum here?  And not all fans want that. 

Whats the matter with making playoffs every year? 

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Whats the matter with making playoffs every year? 

id rather win a superbowl once in a while than perennially make the playoffs and never win it...

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Whats the matter with making playoffs every year? 

Nothing, what does that have to do with anything you said? So every team in the playoffs have an elite offense? 

[The Raven]

My head hurts.

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have zero interest in doing anything that was done in the 80s.

I think you want to break dance on a sheet of cardboard. 

[K-Dog]

39 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

id rather win a superbowl once in a while than perennially make the playoffs and never win it...

I would rather be The Ravens than the Bengals. 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have zero interest in doing anything that was done in the 80s.

not even wear shoulder pads?

[Steve0x]

1 hour ago, K-Dog said:

I would rather be The Ravens than the Bengals. 

Relax,,We won 2 superbowls already,,How many Marvin Lewis won on the Bengals?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

If i had to choose, the only option that would seem possible is an elite Defense. Too have an elite offense it all starts with the QB. Flacco is not elite nor is he even a good game manager. Poor choices, timid throws and an attitude that just says he could care less. Not to mention a head coach who just feels the need to make god awful calls that cost us games so the OC does not have full control. 

On defense though#1 corner and find a decent pass rush we would have something special there. 

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Relax,,We won 2 superbowls already,,How many Marvin Lewis won on the Bengals?

I am relaxed and that is my point exactly.

[RayRayRaven]

D but it would be nice to have a competent O

[Steve0x]

27 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

D but it would be nice to have a competent O

We already won with all defense. The 2000 Ravens. Now let see we can win with all offense 

[The Raven]

21 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

We already won with all defense. The 2000 Ravens. Now let see we can win with all offense 

Do you have a thought process or do you spout out spontaneous thoughts?

[GrimCoconut]

34 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Do you have a thought process or do you spout out spontaneous thoughts?

Stop feeding this troll.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Steve0x said:

When you keep letting steelers hanging around sooner or later they gonna beat you in the last 2 minutes of the game. Thats what close games do. You gotta have QB throwing bombs down the field and have receivers speed down the field, You gotta practice this thats what harbaugh isn't doing during practices. A real tough coach would make players do it over and over again until it catches up perfectly for them. Like run a play and throw 50 yards down the field with an practice squad defense. If they drop it they're start all over until they get it right. And we will be here all day and all night until you do the play perfectly i don't care if you're tired and exhausted you'll do it all over again and again until you catch those passes. Then eventually they learn to catch it. And then game day you should have no trouble dropping these passes. 

There's this thing called a players union. 

Also, this isn't high school football, these are grown men with families who already dedicate their entire lives to staying in shape and perfecting their craft and they already have next to no personal time for 4-5 months out of the year already. They're humans, not machines.

[The Raven]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Stop feeding this troll.

okay yeah that's a good idea

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure where to post this but here's my thoughts on our team:

We need to figure out our identity and draft accordingly because I think that's our big problem right now. What do all the best teams and playoff teams have in common? They know their identity for the most part. I'm not here to play the blame game because there are other threads for that but we need to decide if we'll be a defensive team that controls the clock or an offensive team with a defense to complement the offense. 

I think if we're to be a defensive team controlling the clock then we need to focus on talent at RB, OL, DL and pass rusher. RB controls the clock keeping the offense on the field and the defense off the field. With this type of defense turnovers are great and I dont want to minimize their importance but I think just getting the other team off the field is more important. Pass rusher can force incompletions but doesn't need to be remarkable but must get pressure.

if we're to be an offensive team with an opportunistic defense then we need a defense that forces turnovers to give the ball back to our high power offense. If this is the case then OL, WR, explosive pass rushers and CB are very important to get both sacks and potentially fumbles as well as interceptions. You'll need DBs who can take the ball away more than deflect it with CB comfortable in those types of coverage like the dreaded zone. 

[OUravensfan]

On 1/3/2017 at 6:51 PM, Steve0x said:

Relax,,We won 2 superbowls already,,How many Marvin Lewis won on the Bengals?

Don't stop there, I love bringing this up when I'm backed in a corner, in 7 years Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh managed to double the amount of playoff wins the Cincinnati Bengals franchise has amassed in over 50 years. 

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

On 1/3/2017 at 10:00 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

There's this thing called a players union. 

Also, this isn't high school football, these are grown men with families who already dedicate their entire lives to staying in shape and perfecting their craft and they already have next to no personal time for 4-5 months out of the year already. They're humans, not machines.

I was about to point out the CBA myself.

 

We'll let Rudy stay in the game until he learns not to get run over anymore.........

[The Raven]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure where to post this but here's my thoughts on our team:

We need to figure out our identity and draft accordingly because I think that's our big problem right now. What do all the best teams and playoff teams have in common? They know their identity for the most part. I'm not here to play the blame game because there are other threads for that but we need to decide if we'll be a defensive team that controls the clock or an offensive team with a defense to complement the offense. 

I think if we're to be a defensive team controlling the clock then we need to focus on talent at RB, OL, DL and pass rusher. RB controls the clock keeping the offense on the field and the defense off the field. With this type of defense turnovers are great and I dont want to minimize their importance but I think just getting the other team off the field is more important. Pass rusher can force incompletions but doesn't need to be remarkable but must get pressure.

if we're to be an offensive team with an opportunistic defense then we need a defense that forces turnovers to give the ball back to our high power offense. If this is the case then OL, WR, explosive pass rushers and CB are very important to get both sacks and potentially fumbles as well as interceptions. You'll need DBs who can take the ball away more than deflect it with CB comfortable in those types of coverage like the dreaded zone. 

I think the most reliable way to survive these days is to be a good offense with an opportunistic defense. If I were to build a team, that's how I'd do it. In order to have the defense we have, we've had to invest a LOT of draft capital in the front seven, and it hasn't paid off. Our pass rush is anemic and we haven't gotten a lot of picks in recent years, other than this one.

Sure we have a top five young MLB and a top five nose, but what did that really do for us? Not saying they're bad players. Williams is arguably an outdated model, and Mosley is a MLB, which, these days, is not a really impactful position, unless they can man cover the top tight ends, which Mosley can't. They are run stuffing positions. I'd be inclined to build around a pair of pass rushers (inside or outside) and two strong DBs. Those are the defensive building blocks you need today. A pair of pass rushers and a pair on the back end. We don't really have those building blocks.

DL and DB need to be our talent-focus on defense.

On offense, I like the idea of investing everything in the line, and getting a couple sure-handed receivers that fight for yards, a bruising running back, and a Gronk-type tight end who can block, catch, and break tackles. (I'm saying Gronk type, not Gronk level). If it sounds like I'm describing the Patriots, it's because I am.

OL, QB (of course), and either WR or TE need to be the focus areas on offense, if you ask me. If your line is good enough, a no name like Justin Forsett will be good enough. If that no name can catch, then that's even better. Having a top five tight end adds a lot to an offense. Blocking, mismatches galore, and the chance for a lot of YAC after broken tackles, along with the occasional jump ball.

[rmcjacket23]

On 1/3/2017 at 4:30 PM, Steve0x said:

When you keep letting steelers hanging around sooner or later they gonna beat you in the last 2 minutes of the game. Thats what close games do. You gotta have QB throwing bombs down the field and have receivers speed down the field, You gotta practice this thats what harbaugh isn't doing during practices. A real tough coach would make players do it over and over again until it catches up perfectly for them. Like run a play and throw 50 yards down the field with an practice squad defense. If they drop it they're start all over until they get it right. And we will be here all day and all night until you do the play perfectly i don't care if you're tired and exhausted you'll do it all over again and again until you catch those passes. Then eventually they learn to catch it. And then game day you should have no trouble dropping these passes. 

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