[News] Late For Work 12/29: Ron Rivera Thinks Steve Smith Should Retire A Panther

[billiejean]

  2 hours ago, Black&purple#55 said:

If we cut Elvis Dumervile and Kyle Arrington, our Cap space for next year will be around 28 Mil. Hopefully thats more than enough to bring some talent to Baltimore ex Ashlon Jeff, Dre Kirkpatrick or Jamie Collins.

Not sure why we would cut Elvis. Yes he is aging and yes this was the worst year of his career, but the guys still has it physically and when healthy he is one of the best pass rushing threats in the NFL.

I would be shocked if we cut a proven pass rusher to go out and land one that is not proven.

If there is a veteran to be cut ... I am guessing it will be
1. Webb (big contract / little production)
2. McClellan (showed he is not much more then a ST player)
3. Wagner... (with the addition of Alex Lewis.. we may opt not to give him a big contract)
4. One of the TEs (with Maxx, Gilmore, Boyle, and Waller all jockeying for position behind Watson and Pita... I cannot see us bringing them all back next year)
5. Zuttah... with Jensen, and Urschel capable of playing C and Ducasse showing that he can start at G... Zuttah may not be back after an up and down year this year.
6. Talifero, & Buck Allen just don't have much of a place for them with West Dixon and (a possible draft pick) on board.
7. Kamar Aiken... if the Ravens had any confidence in him.. his output and usage would not have been allowed to drop anywhere near the place it did this season
8. J Powers.... was not what we had hoped and with the possible addition of a CB in the offseason... it may leave Powers expendable.
9. Elam... pretty sure his time on BMORE is over
10. I hope not but BWilliams may be gone. I really hope that we don't let him go but I think he will command a big pay day and the addition of Pierce, Timmy, Carl Davis, WHenry and more may leave us in a position where we can let him go if the payday is too big!

Even when healthy I don't think Elvis is anywhere close to being one of the best in the league. He is a liability in run defense and he played in all but one game last year and only had 6 sacks. And yea, he didn't have Suggs on the other side, but if you are close to being the best in the league that shouldn't matter. That said, I dont think he will be cut next year. I also don't think anything could make me more nervous next year than to rely on Urshcel or Jensen to play center. They have consistently shown that they are back ups, quality back ups, but surely not starting material. Jensen actually had a decent few games this year but its inconsistent. On the other hand Urshel is consistent, he consistently get blown off the point of attack and driven into the back field. I am not saying Zuttah is the answer. Although the last ten games Zuttah was pretty solid (minus the penalties), but I think we should bring in some legitimate competition at that spot, whether it is through the draft or through free agency.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Well winning is always good and helps to keep everyone focused on what it takes to win. Either way this game goes though will not matter much. Draft pick aside, winning means tougher schedule next season. Draft pick order would really only move slightly. It will still be a good position, better than many years past picking around 22-24. I would sit Joe and let Mallet play, if Joe gets hurt you can image the out cry. Mallet has shown capable of playing to a high level and still gives a fighting chance to win, plus he earns a nice contract, might as well get some use out of it when you can.

The next time Ozzie goes to a draft WR throw out all the things they look for and go against the grain. He might be great at drafting defensive players but the lack of hitting on a WR deserves some attention now. Cannot continue to use top picks and at best get a WR #2. Lots of question marks at this position heading to next season. Mostly who will step it up, outside the veteran Wallace. Lots of young players that need to really prove themselves plus Campanaro is still not a lock to stay healthy, a risky adventure when making any decision on him. Aiken is another question mark, he makes big plays occasionally, but never gets enough targets to get into a grove.

Get someone that is an offensive guru in the building. The Ravens know defense, but the other side of the ball suffers, not from lack of talent or ability but mostly from lack of understanding. Proof, IMHO, is the fact Kubiak in a single season gave this teams offense a real pulse that would not fade away at the first sign of good competition. Also with the current roster and youth movement, there is a lot to like to attract a good offensive mind. At the very least a good WR scout with proven track record.

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

  3 hours ago, Black&purple#55 said:

If we cut Elvis Dumervile and Kyle Arrington, our Cap space for next year will be around 28 Mil. Hopefully thats more than enough to bring some talent to Baltimore ex Ashlon Jeff, Dre Kirkpatrick or Jamie Collins.

Not sure why we would cut Elvis. Yes he is aging and yes this was the worst year of his career, but the guys still has it physically and when healthy he is one of the best pass rushing threats in the NFL.

I would be shocked if we cut a proven pass rusher to go out and land one that is not proven.

If there is a veteran to be cut ... I am guessing it will be
1. Webb (big contract / little production)
2. McClellan (showed he is not much more then a ST player)
3. Wagner... (with the addition of Alex Lewis.. we may opt not to give him a big contract)
4. One of the TEs (with Maxx, Gilmore, Boyle, and Waller all jockeying for position behind Watson and Pita... I cannot see us bringing them all back next year)
5. Zuttah... with Jensen, and Urschel capable of playing C and Ducasse showing that he can start at G... Zuttah may not be back after an up and down year this year.
6. Talifero, & Buck Allen just don't have much of a place for them with West Dixon and (a possible draft pick) on board.
7. Kamar Aiken... if the Ravens had any confidence in him.. his output and usage would not have been allowed to drop anywhere near the place it did this season
8. J Powers.... was not what we had hoped and with the possible addition of a CB in the offseason... it may leave Powers expendable.
9. Elam... pretty sure his time on BMORE is over
10. I hope not but BWilliams may be gone. I really hope that we don't let him go but I think he will command a big pay day and the addition of Pierce, Timmy, Carl Davis, WHenry and more may leave us in a position where we can let him go if the payday is too big!

Even when healthy I don't think Elvis is anywhere close to being one of the best in the league. He is a liability in run defense and he played in all but one game last year and only had 6 sacks. And yea, he didn't have Suggs on the other side, but if you are close to being the best in the league that shouldn't matter. That said, I dont think he will be cut next year. I also don't think anything could make me more nervous next year than to rely on Urshcel or Jensen to play center. They have consistently shown that they are back ups, quality back ups, but surely not starting material. Jensen actually had a decent few games this year but its inconsistent. On the other hand Urshel is consistent, he consistently get blown off the point of attack and driven into the back field. I am not saying Zuttah is the answer. Although the last ten games Zuttah was pretty solid (minus the penalties), but I think we should bring in some legitimate competition at that spot, whether it is through the draft or through free agency.

billiejean...

I hear you on the decline of Elvis but I do believe that he is still a proven threat. I really don't see us letting go of a proven threat when we are looking for pass rushers.

Im with you on Urschel... I don't believe that he is probably a starter but I do think he is a quality back up and I do think that Jensen could be the starter there... yes he needs reps to improve and grow but that is true of all young players. A middle round draft pick at C who would push those two could leave Zuttah expendable. (I wouldn't be mad if Zuttah was back however- if healthy)

IDK... If you ask me I would love to have them both back but some young talent at the same position to allow them to be pushed (while we groom the next starters)

[mendii]

You know, maybe if we weren't playing the Bengals in Cincinnati I would be more comfortable with the idea of losing to increase our draft position. But man, I don't wanna lose to this group of degenerates again. I've really grown to dislike the Bengals over the last few years, mainly because of Pacman and Vontaze. When you play guys like that, guys who want to hurt other players intentionally, you play to beat them into the dirt. I hope we embarrass that defense.

[Crusader]

You can't lose for a better draft picks My Goodness, have you see Ozzie picks lately? Put all the rookies in let let them go at it.

[billiejean]

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

  3 hours ago, Black&purple#55 said:

If we cut Elvis Dumervile and Kyle Arrington, our Cap space for next year will be around 28 Mil. Hopefully thats more than enough to bring some talent to Baltimore ex Ashlon Jeff, Dre Kirkpatrick or Jamie Collins.

Not sure why we would cut Elvis. Yes he is aging and yes this was the worst year of his career, but the guys still has it physically and when healthy he is one of the best pass rushing threats in the NFL.

I would be shocked if we cut a proven pass rusher to go out and land one that is not proven.

If there is a veteran to be cut ... I am guessing it will be
1. Webb (big contract / little production)
2. McClellan (showed he is not much more then a ST player)
3. Wagner... (with the addition of Alex Lewis.. we may opt not to give him a big contract)
4. One of the TEs (with Maxx, Gilmore, Boyle, and Waller all jockeying for position behind Watson and Pita... I cannot see us bringing them all back next year)
5. Zuttah... with Jensen, and Urschel capable of playing C and Ducasse showing that he can start at G... Zuttah may not be back after an up and down year this year.
6. Talifero, & Buck Allen just don't have much of a place for them with West Dixon and (a possible draft pick) on board.
7. Kamar Aiken... if the Ravens had any confidence in him.. his output and usage would not have been allowed to drop anywhere near the place it did this season
8. J Powers.... was not what we had hoped and with the possible addition of a CB in the offseason... it may leave Powers expendable.
9. Elam... pretty sure his time on BMORE is over
10. I hope not but BWilliams may be gone. I really hope that we don't let him go but I think he will command a big pay day and the addition of Pierce, Timmy, Carl Davis, WHenry and more may leave us in a position where we can let him go if the payday is too big!

Even when healthy I don't think Elvis is anywhere close to being one of the best in the league. He is a liability in run defense and he played in all but one game last year and only had 6 sacks. And yea, he didn't have Suggs on the other side, but if you are close to being the best in the league that shouldn't matter. That said, I dont think he will be cut next year. I also don't think anything could make me more nervous next year than to rely on Urshcel or Jensen to play center. They have consistently shown that they are back ups, quality back ups, but surely not starting material. Jensen actually had a decent few games this year but its inconsistent. On the other hand Urshel is consistent, he consistently get blown off the point of attack and driven into the back field. I am not saying Zuttah is the answer. Although the last ten games Zuttah was pretty solid (minus the penalties), but I think we should bring in some legitimate competition at that spot, whether it is through the draft or through free agency.

billiejean...

I hear you on the decline of Elvis but I do believe that he is still a proven threat. I really don't see us letting go of a proven threat when we are looking for pass rushers.

Im with you on Urschel... I don't believe that he is probably a starter but I do think he is a quality back up and I do think that Jensen could be the starter there... yes he needs reps to improve and grow but that is true of all young players. A middle round draft pick at C who would push those two could leave Zuttah expendable. (I wouldn't be mad if Zuttah was back however- if healthy)

IDK... If you ask me I would love to have them both back but some young talent at the same position to allow them to be pushed (while we groom the next starters)

I am with you on the fact that Elvis will stay. I would love nothing more than to have Jensen or Urschel start for us but, I would feel more comfortable if they weren't our only options. I still wonder how in the world that we thought Gino G would be a quality starter in 2013 (although it seems the coaches knew because they brought in AQ) and if we counted on the young guys that we have now, I would be worried about being in a similar situation next year. But I am with you on drafting some interior O Lineman in the draft. I guess the other option would be to pick up a veteran that the FO thinks would perform at a higher level than Zuttah or just keep Zuttah. I really don't know what the FA centers look like this year so I am not sure how realistic of an option that, that is. I also don't know how much money letting Zuttah walk would save and I think that info would certainly factor into the equation as well.

[FloridalovesRavens]

You know, maybe if we weren't playing the Bengals in Cincinnati I would be more comfortable with the idea of losing to increase our draft position. But man, I don't wanna lose to this group of degenerates again. I've really grown to dislike the Bengals over the last few years, mainly because of Pacman and Vontaze. When you play guys like that, guys who want to hurt other players intentionally, you play to beat them into the dirt. I hope we embarrass that defense.

Amen to that.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  3 hours ago, Raven in ATL said:

gonna have to disagree with Suggs, losing for a better draft pick at this time isnt about creating character or a bad habit. its about being strategic, looking at the bigger picture, the future of the franchise. the season is lost, the game meaningless in the sense of playoff implications. the only things as players to play for is pride and incentive bonuses. dont let your pride get in the way of something bigger!

If we win and everyone else loses we get the 20th pick... if we lose and everyone else wins we end up with the 15th pick. In reality if we win... some others will do the same and we will end up somewhere between 16-19 regardless.

It is not like if we lose we jump into the top 10 and if we win... we fall out of the top 20. on the average we will pick around 17th... win or lose. So is a spot or two in the middle of the pack worth a non-winning season?

That's crazy. You win... especially against a team who has owned us over the past few years. You dominate a divisional foe and use that win to springboard into next season.

If we beat the Bengals... that leaves us at 5-1 in the AFC North for the year. That is a lot to build off of. But losing your final two and 3 of your last 4... that is a little harder to frame that going into next season

No the one or two spots you would gain (at best) is not worth what you would lose.... it has nothing to do with ego or pride and everything to do with setting us up with confidence knowing that we can dominate our division going into next year.

A split with the Bengals and Sqeelers would be a much harder sale then going 5-1 in the division.

We need to WIN this game!

Need to win for what? What gain at this point is there? We still miss the playoffs regardless, in the draft you can easily miss out on a player just from positioning. Win or loss we still out of playoff contention, we should be thinking about the next season and a few slots higher is more important than a meaningless game at the end which players will move on from once the season is over

Don't know what team you are thinking of but no way the Ravens intentionally lose any game. Shame on you as a Ravens fan.

[FloridalovesRavens]

We will see if the coaches are all talk when they say they will play this last game to win. Nobody expects the players to lie down and lose on purpose but it they sit Flacco and a few other starters that is the same thing. We will see. I expect them to sit as to not risk injury. If it ends up being a loss and a better draft slot then all the better. The season is over people. 

Not to the Ravens is it over. Go Ravens!

[hereweare]

28 minutes ago, billiejean said:

I am with you on the fact that Elvis will stay. I would love nothing more than to have Jensen or Urschel start for us but, I would feel more comfortable if they weren't our only options. I still wonder how in the world that we thought Gino G would be a quality starter in 2013 (although it seems the coaches knew because they brought in AQ) and if we counted on the young guys that we have now, I would be worried about being in a similar situation next year. But I am with you on drafting some interior O Lineman in the draft. I guess the other option would be to pick up a veteran that the FO thinks would perform at a higher level than Zuttah or just keep Zuttah. I really don't know what the FA centers look like this year so I am not sure how realistic of an option that, that is. I also don't know how much money letting Zuttah walk would save and I think that info would certainly factor into the equation as well.

Elvis is 8.3 against the cap next year tho..?

Zuttah being cut would only clear 2.4 mill. So if he is let go we better not get the replacement option at C wrong. The Oline would suffer a major set back

[billiejean]

  44 minutes ago, billiejean said:

I am with you on the fact that Elvis will stay. I would love nothing more than to have Jensen or Urschel start for us but, I would feel more comfortable if they weren't our only options. I still wonder how in the world that we thought Gino G would be a quality starter in 2013 (although it seems the coaches knew because they brought in AQ) and if we counted on the young guys that we have now, I would be worried about being in a similar situation next year. But I am with you on drafting some interior O Lineman in the draft. I guess the other option would be to pick up a veteran that the FO thinks would perform at a higher level than Zuttah or just keep Zuttah. I really don't know what the FA centers look like this year so I am not sure how realistic of an option that, that is. I also don't know how much money letting Zuttah walk would save and I think that info would certainly factor into the equation as well.

Elvis is 8.3 against the cap next year tho..?

Zuttah being cut would only clear 2.4 mill. So if he is let go we better not get the replacement option at C wrong. The Oline would suffer a major set back

Yea, I am certainly not opposed to keeping Zuttah. I am not the expert on this, but I think there are other variables that need to be taken into consideration in order to determine the actual amount of money that we would save if we cut Elvis. But, as I said I am not the authority in these types of matters.

[hereweare]

6 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Yea, I am certainly not opposed to keeping Zuttah. I am not the expert on this, but I think there are other variables that need to be taken into consideration in order to determine the actual amount of money that we would save if we cut Elvis. But, as I said I am not the authority in these types of matters.

Yea I'm just going off cap hit - dead money which would suggest cutting Doom saves 6mil

[leziRav]

  3 hours ago, Raven in ATL said:

gonna have to disagree with Suggs, losing for a better draft pick at this time isnt about creating character or a bad habit. its about being strategic, looking at the bigger picture, the future of the franchise. the season is lost, the game meaningless in the sense of playoff implications. the only things as players to play for is pride and incentive bonuses. dont let your pride get in the way of something bigger!

If we win and everyone else loses we get the 20th pick... if we lose and everyone else wins we end up with the 15th pick. In reality if we win... some others will do the same and we will end up somewhere between 16-19 regardless.

It is not like if we lose we jump into the top 10 and if we win... we fall out of the top 20. on the average we will pick around 17th... win or lose. So is a spot or two in the middle of the pack worth a non-winning season?

That's crazy. You win... especially against a team who has owned us over the past few years. You dominate a divisional foe and use that win to springboard into next season.

If we beat the Bengals... that leaves us at 5-1 in the AFC North for the year. That is a lot to build off of. But losing your final two and 3 of your last 4... that is a little harder to frame that going into next season

No the one or two spots you would gain (at best) is not worth what you would lose.... it has nothing to do with ego or pride and everything to do with setting us up with confidence knowing that we can dominate our division going into next year.

A split with the Bengals and Sqeelers would be a much harder sale then going 5-1 in the division.

We need to WIN this game!

I believe the Ravens will play to win no doubt. The record matters to coaches and players, there is a big difference between a 8-8 and a winning season. However I will be happy if you lose too. There is a difference between one spot or 2 in the draft, if not we would have J.Ramsey/ Ezeke in our team now.

[billiejean]

THE PANTHERS MADE THEIR OPINON CLEAR WHEN THEY CUT HIM.

WITH THAT LOGIC TODD HEAP WOULD RETIRE AS A CARDINAL

[The Mom Gene]

43 minutes ago, billiejean said:

WITH THAT LOGIC TODD HEAP WOULD RETIRE AS A CARDINAL

Trolling me much? And Heap???  He had that choice.  Heap didn't leave Baltimore angry. He was FROM and lived in Arizona.

[sp3ctor]

Steve Smith Senior should absolutely retire a Panther, not for the organization, but for the fans. I was at that Baltimore Carolina match in 2014. The Carolina fans I met said basically the same thing, "We miss you Smitty, have a great time in Baltimore" They love the guy and he loves them. You can never take away the city a person loves. But that doesn't necessarily mean he will retire a Panther because Gettleman is basically all the words I can't say on this website for fear of being banned. And he is the type of callous, heartless, thick-headed so and so who would prevent Steve from returning off of a one day contract to retire in his home town and to that, well, if Mr. Smith Senior is the man we all know him to be, his reaction will be priceless and he will hang up his cleats in Baltimore and never look back.

Besides that, we may miss out on his retirement, but that jersey hanging in Canton of the thousandth catch, that's Baltimore purple baby, and that's just alright by me.

[billiejean]

  58 minutes ago, billiejean said:

WITH THAT LOGIC TODD HEAP WOULD RETIRE AS A CARDINAL

Trolling me much? And Heap???  He had that choice.  Heap didn't leave Baltimore angry. He was FROM and lived in Arizona.

He didn't have a choice, he was cut along with Mason and Kelly Greg. None of them left angry but none of them wanted to leave. There was no choice for any of them.

[billiejean]

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

WITH THAT LOGIC TODD HEAP WOULD RETIRE AS A CARDINAL

Trolling me much? And Heap???  He had that choice.  Heap didn't leave Baltimore angry. He was FROM and lived in Arizona.

Im not hip with the internet slang, so I am not sure what "trolling" is but if it mean refuting outlandish comments than I am guilty.

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, billiejean said:

He didn't have a choice, he was cut along with Mason and Kelly Greg. None of them left angry but none of them wanted to leave. There was no choice for any of them.

There is always a choice as to how they will retire.  It's not like baseball folks.

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, billiejean said:

Im not hip with the internet slang, so I am not sure what "trolling" is but if it mean refuting outlandish comments than I am guilty.

The comment wasn't outlandish.... My quote laterr in the thread says enough for it not to be...  when he told them to "mow his grass"

[The Mom Gene]

7 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

This is a nail... This is in the coffin... You're dead... Take your butt back to Carolina... Make sure you mow my lawn when you get there.

That should tell you just what you need to know about how he felt about that.

THIS...  @billiejean

[billiejean]

  7 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

This is a nail... This is in the coffin... You're dead... Take your butt back to Carolina... Make sure you mow my lawn when you get there.

That should tell you just what you need to know about how he felt about that.

THIS...  @billiejean

Yea there is still no doubt in my mind that he will retire a Panther. Just as Favre retired a Packer. I am not sure why it is even being questioned... Its the classy move and it is the right move.

[stixfix69]

Find a way to have him play 1 more year, he can obviously still play......

[The Mom Gene]

3 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Yea there is still no doubt in my mind that he will retire a Panther. Just as Favre retired a Packer. I am not sure why it is even being questioned... Its the classy move and it is the right move.

Meh.

[billiejean]

9 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

9 hours ago, billiejean said:

He didn't have a choice, he was cut along with Mason and Kelly Greg. None of them left angry but none of them wanted to leave. There was no choice for any of them.

There is always a choice as to how they will retire.  It's not like baseball folks.

I am not sure what that even means? What is the baseball reference. I am not exactly sure what you are saying so I am going to try to cover all of the bases here. In theory you are right. If all of those guys wanted to retire Ravens they could have quit after they got cut. But they all thought they had more years a head of them. And no one is going to quit just so they can say they have stayed with the same team their entire career. But if what you are saying is that they have a choice to retire with a team that they didn't last play for last, by signing a one day contract, that is true, they do have that choice. But what is confusing to me is that Baseball players are free to do the same thing and they do. I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying here. But regardless, when you spend 13 years of your life playing for a team, and you are a mature adult, you get over the infighting that happened in the last two years you were there. The guy has a house there, just opened up a clinic and I just don't see him being the type of guy that is going to hold a grudge over the cities head for the rest of his life. The disputes he had were between him, the front office and coaches. Steve isn't going to retire a Raven because of his disputes he had with a hand full of people in NC. On the contrary he is going to retire as a Carolina Panther because of the fans who have absolutely no control of the decisions that the front office makes. In other words it wouldn't make sense to disappoint millions of people because you had a disagreement with 5. And frankly, again this is not going to happen, but if he did retire a Raven I wouldn't think highly of that choice.

Edited December 30, 2016 by billiejean

[hen826957]

7 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

9 hours ago, Black&purple#55 said:

If we cut Elvis Dumervile and Kyle Arrington, our Cap space for next year will be around 28 Mil. Hopefully thats more than enough to bring some talent to Baltimore ex Ashlon Jeff, Dre Kirkpatrick or Jamie Collins.

Not sure why we would cut Elvis. Yes he is aging and yes this was the worst year of his career, but the guys still has it physically and when healthy he is one of the best pass rushing threats in the NFL.

I would be shocked if we cut a proven pass rusher to go out and land one that is not proven.

If there is a veteran to be cut ... I am guessing it will be
1. Webb (big contract / little production)
2. McClellan (showed he is not much more then a ST player)
3. Wagner... (with the addition of Alex Lewis.. we may opt not to give him a big contract)
4. One of the TEs (with Maxx, Gilmore, Boyle, and Waller all jockeying for position behind Watson and Pita... I cannot see us bringing them all back next year)
5. Zuttah... with Jensen, and Urschel capable of playing C and Ducasse showing that he can start at G... Zuttah may not be back after an up and down year this year.
6. Talifero, & Buck Allen just don't have much of a place for them with West Dixon and (a possible draft pick) on board.
7. Kamar Aiken... if the Ravens had any confidence in him.. his output and usage would not have been allowed to drop anywhere near the place it did this season
8. J Powers.... was not what we had hoped and with the possible addition of a CB in the offseason... it may leave Powers expendable.
9. Elam... pretty sure his time on BMORE is over
10. I hope not but BWilliams may be gone. I really hope that we don't let him go but I think he will command a big pay day and the addition of Pierce, Timmy, Carl Davis, WHenry and more may leave us in a position where we can let him go if the payday is too big!

I agree on you in most of theses things
1) Webb should definitely be cut; if l'm correct we should get 7.5 M in cap space.
2) Cut Zuttah. He destroys way too many good drives with his excusable play and has be costing us this year. Cut him and get either a better veteran center or in the draft. Hopefully the Jets cut Nick Mangold and he could be a good replacement.
3) Resigning- the main player that the Ravens need to resign is Brandon Williams. They can't keep letting these players go every year when they develop them. They could let Wagner walk and give the RT to Lewis.
4) Cut Elam, Powers, and Wright. These guys are useless and they cost us huge plays in the secondary all year. They can't cover to save thier lives and it shows in the last drive vs the Steelers.
5) Use the 2017 draft to draft playmakers in the secondary. I heard it's a lot of talent corners & safeties in this draft. Use this opportunity in this draft. Ozzie should be mosty getting corners and safeties this time and also get at least a Passrusher or two like a another McPhee or Judon that could give us 5-8 sacks production. They should keep Dumervil and Suggs and find their replacement in the 2018 NFL draft. This draft should be on the secondary because it has been lack of talent for way to long.
6) Okay the TE's; honesty l don't think they would but they should just cut Watson. They main reason they sign him because they didn't know if Pitta wasn't gonna be able to return but now Pitta playing at his form again, we don't really need him and its wasting a roster spot and cap.
7) WRs- while Steve Smith is retiring, l think it's time for Ozzie to sign a talent receiver in free agency like a Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson or something. Joe never has a 1 receiver and it's time to get him one. Don't use the draft for a reciever because it's been bad luck as of late. I wouldn't mind getting one in the future but use this draft for secondary this year.
8) RB's- Cut Taliaferro and Buck Allen keep West and Dixon and find one good RB gem in the draft; if you can we can also sign a quality RB that has good production and not expensive. We should have 3 good quality RB's.
9) l think we should keep McCellan as he is a good special teamer teamer as well as signing Lawerence Guy; etc because they should be easy to resign and give us good production.
10) Lastly, coordinators and coaching. Coaching decisions have been horrible and it cost us tremendously this season. I'm fine with keeping Harbaugh and he needs to be better or l don't know if he could last another year. We should definitely change coordinators and get aggressive ones get rid of Mornhinweg and Pees and get somebody like a Norv Turner or try hiring Leslie Frazier as a defensive coordinator who l think he could be better than Pees doing zone all the time.
So these are my opinions the Ravens should do in the offseason.

Edited December 30, 2016 by hen826957

[Bohica5]

35 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I agree on you in most of theses things
1) Webb should definitely be cut; if l'm correct we should get 7.5 M in cap space.
2) Cut Zuttah. He destroys way too many good drives with his excusable play and has be costing us this year. Cut him and get either a better veteran center or in the draft. Hopefully the Jets cut Nick Mangold and he could be a good replacement.
3) Resigning- the main player that the Ravens need to resign is Brandon Williams. They can't keep letting these players go every year when they develop them. They could let Wagner walk and give the RT to Lewis.
4) Cut Elam, Powers, and Wright. These guys are useless and they cost us huge plays in the secondary all year. They can't cover to save thier lives and it shows in the last drive vs the Steelers.
5) Use the 2017 draft to draft playmakers in the secondary. I heard it's a lot of talent corners & safeties in this draft. Use this opportunity in this draft. Ozzie should be mosty getting corners and safeties this time and also get at least a Passrusher or two like a another McPhee or Judon that could give us 5-8 sacks production. They should keep Dumervil and Suggs and find their replacement in the 2018 NFL draft. This draft should be on the secondary because it has been lack of talent for way to long.
6) Okay the TE's; honesty l don't think they would but they should just cut Watson. They main reason they sign him because they didn't know if Pitta wasn't gonna be able to return but now Pitta playing at his form again, we don't really need him and its wasting a roster spot and cap.
7) WRs- while Steve Smith is retiring, l think it's time for Ozzie to sign a talent receiver in free agency like a Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson or something. Joe never has a 1 receiver and it's time to get him one. Don't use the draft for a reciever because it's been bad luck as of late. I wouldn't mind getting one in the future but use this draft for secondary this year.
8) RB's- Cut Taliaferro and Buck Allen keep West and Dixon and find one good RB gem in the draft; if you can we can also sign a quality RB that has good production and not expensive. We should have 3 good quality RB's.
9) l think we should keep McCellan as he is a good special teamer teamer as well as signing Lawerence Guy; etc because they should be easy to resign and give us good production.
10) Lastly, coordinators and coaching. Coaching decisions have been horrible and it cost us tremendously this season. I'm fine with keeping Harbaugh and he needs to be better or l don't know if he could last another year. We should definitely change coordinators and get aggressive ones get rid of Mornhinweg and Pees and get somebody like a Norv Turner or try hiring Leslie Frazier as a defensive coordinator who l think he could be better than Pees doing zone all the time.
So these are my opinions the Ravens should do in the offseason.

Totally impressed with ur post until the part about keeping harby..........Guess ur ok with 8-8  8-8.......Probably worse next year............we gotta DTB.......

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  3 hours ago, billiejean said:

He didn't have a choice, he was cut along with Mason and Kelly Greg. None of them left angry but none of them wanted to leave. There was no choice for any of them.

There is always a choice as to how they will retire.  It's not like baseball folks.

I am not sure what that even means? What is the baseball reference. I am not exactly sure what you are saying so I am going to try to cover all of the bases here. In theory you are right. If all of those guys wanted to retire Ravens they could have quit after they got cut. But they all thought they had more years a head of them. And no one is going to quit just so they can say they have stayed with the same team their entire career. But if what you are saying is that they have a choice to retire with a team that they didn't last play for last, by signing a one day contract, that is true, they do have that choice. But what is confusing to me is that Baseball players are free to do the same thing and they do. I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying here. But regardless, when you spend 13 years of your life playing for a team, and you are a mature adult, you get over the infighting that happened in the last two years you were there. The guy has a house there, just opened up a clinic and I just don't see him being the type of guy that is going to hold a grudge over the cities head for the rest of his life. The disputes he had were between him, the front office and coaches. Steve isn't going to retire a Raven because of his disputes he had with a hand full of people in NC. On the contrary he is going to retire as a Carolina Panther because of the fans who have absolutely no control of the decisions that the front office makes. In other words it wouldn't make sense to disappoint millions of people because you had a disagreement with 5. And frankly, again this is NOT going to happen, but if he did retire a Raven I wouldn't think highly of that choice.

When baseball players go into the HOF they are attached to a team - i.e. Babe Ruth, New York Yankees. Cal Ripken, Baltimore Oriole. Their plaque shows them in their uniform with hat and lists their teams on the plaque. The Football HOF does not, it's just the bust of the players head.

[billiejean]

  8 hours ago, billiejean said:

  9 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  9 hours ago, billiejean said:

He didn't have a choice, he was cut along with Mason and Kelly Greg. None of them left angry but none of them wanted to leave. There was no choice for any of them.

There is always a choice as to how they will retire.  It's not like baseball folks.

I am not sure what that even means? What is the baseball reference. I am not exactly sure what you are saying so I am going to try to cover all of the bases here. In theory you are right. If all of those guys wanted to retire Ravens they could have quit after they got cut. But they all thought they had more years a head of them. And no one is going to quit just so they can say they have stayed with the same team their entire career. But if what you are saying is that they have a choice to retire with a team that they didn't last play for last, by signing a one day contract, that is true, they do have that choice. But what is confusing to me is that Baseball players are free to do the same thing and they do. I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying here. But regardless, when you spend 13 years of your life playing for a team, and you are a mature adult, you get over the infighting that happened in the last two years you were there. The guy has a house there, just opened up a clinic and I just don't see him being the type of guy that is going to hold a grudge over the cities head for the rest of his life. The disputes he had were between him, the front office and coaches. Steve isn't going to retire a Raven because of his disputes he had with a hand full of people in NC. On the contrary he is going to retire as a Carolina Panther because of the fans who have absolutely no control of the decisions that the front office makes. In other words it wouldn't make sense to disappoint millions of people because you had a disagreement with 5. And frankly, again this is NOT going to happen, but if he did retire a Raven I wouldn't think highly of that choice.

When baseball players go into the HOF they are attached to a team - i.e. Babe Ruth, New York Yankees. Cal Ripken, Baltimore Oriole. Their plaque shows them in their uniform with hat and lists their teams on the plaque. The Football HOF does not, it's just the bust of the players head.

Sure, but I was referring to the symbolic act of signing a one day contract for a team that the player feels the most connection to, rather than retiring with a team that he only spent a couple of years with at the end of his career. Similarly to the instances highlighted in the links below.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jared-allen-signs-a-one-day-contract-to-retire-as-a-viking/

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-angels-dodgers-chone-figgins-retire-032016

[Rav'n Maniac]

I feel Steve should retire however he feels he should. The Ravens should have some kind of ceremony to honor him for his accomplishments while here. The one thing that will always be his and ours is that he finished his great career as a Raven.