[News] Late For Work 12/28: Offseason Changes Are Needed, But Not At Head Coach

[Steve32]

  1 hour ago, Raven1995 said:

  2 hours ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

I disagree, the won the Superbowl because everyone was healthy at the end of the season, they had a New OC in Jim Caldwell and they moved Osemele to LG. Ray had a Good game against the Colts but that was it.

Everyone was healthy in the playoff loss against the Patriots 2 years ago. What is your excuse for that one? That one is solely on Dean Pees. Dean Pees played soft the entire 2nd half and we gave up two 14 point leads. And just to be clear, I am not saying Ray was the only reason for our SB win, but the team rallied around him to send him into retirement with another ring. You failed to mention Reed's contributions, pollard's, Ihedigbo's, Anquan's contributions..... None of those guys were on the team 2 months after we raised the trophy.

That loss was NOT solely on Dean Pees.

Our secondary was so banged up, we were playing with 2nd & 3rd string cornerbacks. THAT is why we blew 2 14 point leads to Tom Brady, not the DC.

[TheRavengers]

Guess we'll be drafting another WR since Steve Smith says his last game will be Sunday.

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, TheRavengers said:

And how well are Pagano and Rex doing right now?

The question really is how well were they doing with the Ravens?

[btfan2]

I don't believe Harbaugh is a good coach, I also don't believe he is a bad coach. He is ok if your happy being average. We have the same problems over and over. Even though I think we should send him packing I also realize we can't.

What needs to really happen is Mr. B. having a long hard talk with Harbaugh. No more Castillo. No more Morningweg, no more good ole boys. We need a proven aggressive OC coach and a Proven O line coach and a proven WR's coach, who have never been buds or co-workers with John. .

I would love to see Rex come back as DC, that can't happen because Harbaugh would not do well with Rex's strong personality. Rex most likely wouldn't come back anyway.

Pee's has proven he can put a top-flight defense on the field. Seems he can't follow instructions or was NEVER given any instructions. I would vote for the “NEVER”. New rule - From Mr. B, no more bend don’t break.

There should be consistency in coaching and leadership, be that leadership, management or players. With the yearly shuffle of players being so high, consistency in performance is difficult. That’s why the coaching staff is so important. Identity and focus must be taken seriously.

Our head coach is so busy trying to be everyone's buddy and being on TV he doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I don't believe he has ever watched a minute of tape. He certainly isn't a detail guy and follow up is not in his dictionary.
Who's in charge of game planning?

I'd say get some new blood in the coaching trenches, give Harbaugh strong instructions and lets see what we can make better. You can't dismantle the whole team. That only works if your really lucky and have 3-5yrs to wait/waste....

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

The enforcer of the secondary AKA the patriot killer. Does Bernard Pollard ring a bell? Does James Ihedigbo ring a bell to name a few?

I was waiting for that response. So, exactly what did Pollard do after we released him? He had one good season and was out of the league. We didn't attempt to sign Ihedigbo as an FA, because we thought we had drafted his replacement. I didn't think he was reported to have butted heads with Harbaugh, but what does that matter? If he left, then we can just say that he was in Harbaugh's doghouse or whatever you'd like to fit your narrative. 

I also didn't realize that not having Ihedigbo turned us from a Super Bowl team to one that has missed the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years. 

[ryananth]

I bet Torrey comes back to Baltimore.

[TheRavengers]

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The question really is how well were they doing with the Ravens?

Under Pagano as our DC which was 2011, the Ravens were 3rd in the league in total defense, ranked as 2nd in run defense and 4th in passing defense. We ended up going 12-4, won the division, had a home playoff game and were a Lee Evans-dropped pass away from going to the Super Bowl. 

Rex Ryan's story with us as DC should be obvious to everyone.

[bioLarzen]

OK, so Harbaugh's been extended. I was hoping for the opposite - but at least there will be no guessing games going on.
Though I was hoping for finally getting rid of what I believe to be the biggest obstacle between the Ravens and REAL success - I still trust Ozzie's and the owner's decision. They're in the best position to make the best decision. If they think it is keeping Harbaugh, then be it.

Edited December 28, 2016 by bioLarzen

[billiejean]

  3 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  3 hours ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

First off, the FO gets rid of players. Perhaps Harbaugh will have his say, but I'm not sure who it is that we got rid of solely because they bumped heads with Harbaugh, who would have otherwise been a great service to the team. Please don't say Boldin, because there was no indication that he and Harbaugh didn't get along. That IMO was purely an Ozzie move. Who else are you thinking of? 

The enforcer of the secondary AKA the patriot killer. Does Bernard Pollard ring a bell? Does James Ihedigbo ring a bell to name a few?

Youre reaching there. The problem with those two is that they were terrible in coverage and in a passing league both safeties have to be able to cover. If they stayed you would probably reprimanding Ozzy for bringing back two safeties who consistently get beat.

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  3 hours ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

First off, the FO gets rid of players. Perhaps Harbaugh will have his say, but I'm not sure who it is that we got rid of solely because they bumped heads with Harbaugh, who would have otherwise been a great service to the team. Please don't say Boldin, because there was no indication that he and Harbaugh didn't get along. That IMO was purely an Ozzie move. Who else are you thinking of? 

The enforcer of the secondary AKA the patriot killer. Does Bernard Pollard ring a bell? Does James Ihedigbo ring a bell to name a few?

Pollard was reported to be a real locker room pest - and also, as great a SS as he was, he was also a flag magnet. He gave the opponents a huge lot of free yardage.

[BiggMack91]

I think he needs to go he has cost us games this year and in previous years we need a offensive head coach like patriots offensive coordinator but ultimately we won't win a super bowl with harbs and I also think its time for Ozzie to retire I'm tired of us wasting first round picks also hope we don't resign williams he is an over rated nose tackle

[ByTheBay]

3 hours ago, sami said:

We were a foot away from winning the AFC north after playing a team on a 5 game winning streak, in their place, with the top RB and top WR and one of the top QBs in the league. And you guys want to fire everyone and start over. I think you'd be happier in Cleveland, they start over every two years.

No, Sorry but we still would have needed to win this week in cincy. Not an easy task for a jimmy less team. 

[JD08]

I hope we get a new OC because Mornhinweg was just as bad as Trestman. I know this is a passing league now, but the team has always been the best when utilizing the run game w/ the play-action. Dean Pees has to go, his defense playcalling is horrible, if we are supposedly a #2 ranked defense, there's no reason we should give up a score in less than 2 min. Also Matt Elam has to go, he is horrible, been giving chance after chance to be on his team but never produces, there have many players deserving of his roster spot but for whatever reason he remains on the team

[billiejean]

I don't believe Harbaugh is a good coach, I also don't believe he is a bad coach. He is ok if your happy being average. We have the same problems over and over. Even though I think we should send him packing I also realize we can't.

What needs to really happen is Mr. B. having a long hard talk with Harbaugh. No more Castillo. No more Morningweg, no more good ole boys. We need a proven aggressive OC coach and a Proven O line coach and a proven WR's coach, who have never been buds or co-workers with John. .

I would love to see Rex come back as DC, that can't happen because Harbaugh would not do well with Rex's strong personality. Rex most likely wouldn't come back anyway.

Pee's has proven he can put a top-flight defense on the field. Seems he can't follow instructions or was NEVER given any instructions. I would vote for the “NEVER”. New rule - From Mr. B, no more bend don’t break.

There should be consistency in coaching and leadership, be that leadership, management or players. With the yearly shuffle of players being so high, consistency in performance is difficult. That’s why the coaching staff is so important. Identity and focus must be taken seriously.

Our head coach is so busy trying to be everyone's buddy and being on TV he doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I don't believe he has ever watched a minute of tape. He certainly isn't a detail guy and follow up is not in his dictionary.
Who's in charge of game planning?

I'd say get some new blood in the coaching trenches, give Harbaugh strong instructions and lets see what we can make better. You can't dismantle the whole team. That only works if your really lucky and have 3-5yrs to wait/waste....

I am not sure if there is an O line coach who is more proven than Juan, and really the idea that he is doing a bad job is one of those myths that only gets spread on this site. What happens is that one guy says makes the same statement every other day, and people start to think that it is actually multiple people saying it. Which is a logical assessment because it really doesn't make sense for someone to say the same thing over and over and over, but it happens here a lot. The perception that multiple people are saying this, validates that opinion. So now other people start saying it. And it goes on, and goes on, until everyone has convinced themselves that Juan sucks. But you would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows football, and doesn't look at this site, that would agree with you. We had a banged up line this year, but in the last 6 games 4 offensive lineman graded out as the top five of our offensive players during 3 of those games. This includes last game. Three offensive lineman graded in the top 5 for two of those games. And the game that is left there were 2 offensive lineman graded in the top 5. The bizarre thing is that in two of the games where 4 o lineman were in the top 5 we refused to run the ball, which I think leads to people coming to the conclusion that the line is doing poorly. I was just talking about the last 6 games, but in every single game there was at least one O lineman in the top 5. And in fact there was only 2 games where only 1 O lineman made it. For the other 13 games 2 to 4 lineman made it. 39 of the 75 top 5 players in the last 15 games were O lineman. And it wasn't always veterans. Alex Lewis made it multiple times, Stanley did as well, and even Ryan Jensen made it for one game. And John Urchel even got in there against the Giants. A guy who has been consistently horrible when he gets on the field made the top 5. Unfortunately it seems that, that game was an outlier, but you have to give some credit to the coach for all of the success that these young guys have experienced. Not only that but there was so much turnover on the offensive line and yea there were some communication issues in the some of those games, but there really weren't many which is a testament to the coaching staff. That said if we do get a new O coordinator, which I am 100 percent on board for, the decision about his offensive assistants should be entirely up to him. And if that means that Juan gets let go he will not have a hard time finding another job.

[ravens4life86]

Im not advocating Harbaugh getting fired, Im just playing Devils advocate. And I do think the seat is hot even if Harbaugh does have couple years left.

1) Who would realistically be better and take the job, McDaniels, Shanahan, You want to automatically fix the offense, hire a offensive guru as your hc, you have the franchise qb in place etc. Probably shouldve done it with Kubiak but let him get away to Denver.

2) Who had more playmakers? Call it even or even in favor of Ravens. Yes Steelers have Big 3 Bs. Ben,Bell,Brown. But Ravens dont have slouches. They have atleasr for 1 more game Smith sr, who wasnt used nearly enough in 2nd half and redzone, Pitta who was solid except a big no catch td, Dixon&West no there not Bell but together they are a top 10 rb duo, should have been used more. Biggest issue was Pees sitting in prevent defense with a 10 point lead, elite qbs can carve up soft zones. You gotta play like you did 1st 3 quarters.

3) This was a rivalry game, players have pride. Regardless of the coach.

What you can definitely lay at Harbs feet is he lets his coordinators run everything because hes originally a ST Coach. Fans and media alike have repeatedly said this about him, a great coach takes control, makes adjustments and when you say your going to run the ball every week, yet your oc continues to draw up 45 pass plays a game, you as head coach veto that junk and call run plays cause its your job eventually on the line.

Secondly
We have seen that Harbs is a Yes Man type coach. He mutes the Raa raa swagger type alpha males or elimates them all together and his influence over the organization since sb proven fans correct by bad record, likely influence input in drafting away from say a Noah Spence or Shane Ray..bonefied Ballers and sack machines who might have a red flag for weed or raa raa swagger.. but are nasty football players and Ravens would be in playoffs right now.
A token tough guy like Sizzle or Smith sr, doesnt prove Harbs excepts alphas.
No more nice guys..draft nasty swagger ballers, like fans identify with...the Rsys,Pollards,Eds, Sizzle in his primes.
And I hate the excuse pollard cant play in todays nfl..Kam Chancellor is the same guy bigger but a enforcer type SS all he does is blow people up, so pollard could play, More proof Harbs didnt want nasty tough guys

[FloridalovesRavens]

  4 hours ago, sami said:

We were a foot away from winning the AFC north after playing a team on a 5 game winning streak, in their place, with the top RB and top WR and one of the top QBs in the league. And you guys want to fire everyone and start over. I think you'd be happier in Cleveland, they start over every two years.

No, Sorry but we still would have needed to win this week in cincy. Not an easy task for a jimmy less team. 

Sorry but no one player makes a team. We fought a great game but lost.

[law215]

I wouldn't be upset if they did not fire Harbs, but you have to put him on notice.

He cost the team 2 games on decision making
the team does not play disciplined on the field, too many penalties
he can't control he Coordinators. They run the show on game day without supervision. The bone heading play calling needs to stop on both sides of the ball.
Does not have an identity anymore. They missed 3 out of last 4 playoff. That's not a winning culture.

Some team would be wise to give McDaniels in NE another chance or Kyle Shanahan. A young coach to a team with vets to help control locker room, established front office, and a QB already in place.

All of the 4 changes revolve around OZ job. You know he has not performed well if blog writers are pointing it out.

[Glen1024]

27 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Sorry but no one player makes a team. We fought a great game but lost.

Tell that to dean pees

[n#7]

  34 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Sorry but no one player makes a team. We fought a great game but lost.

Tell that to dean pees

No excuses for the D imploding as they did in the Steelers game and the last half of the season. The R's must make changes and that starts with the ones making the drafting decisions all the way down. The only exception should be Harbs because he can only work with what's given him. And, for the most part, they've been busts for the rounds in which drafted.

[RaRaRavens]

I honestly think SSS might have come back for another year, if we made the playoffs and he saw that this team has potential to come back at least as strong or even stronger in 2017.

The sad fact of the matter is, there will be just too many holes to fill after the coming offseason and no real young playmakers (that was painfully evident in comparison with the Steelers on Sunday) on this team outside of couple aging veterans to make a difference.

Therefore, no reason for him to come back and but his body through even more for a slightly above average team to wash all his hard work down the drain.

Like I've said many times before, I envision multiple season like our this year's campaign before we are back in serious playoff competition. That is, if our FO makes nencessary changes and is capable of rebuilding this team. Recent drafts (with the exception of the last 4th round) have not indicated that.

[TheConquerorWorm]

54 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Im not advocating Harbaugh getting fired, Im just playing Devils advocate. And I do think the seat is hot even if Harbaugh does have couple years left.

1) Who would realistically be better and take the job, McDaniels, Shanahan, You want to automatically fix the offense, hire a offensive guru as your hc, you have the franchise qb in place etc. Probably shouldve done it with Kubiak but let him get away to Denver.

2) Who had more playmakers? Call it even or even in favor of Ravens. Yes Steelers have Big 3 Bs. Ben,Bell,Brown. But Ravens dont have slouches. They have atleasr for 1 more game Smith sr, who wasnt used nearly enough in 2nd half and redzone, Pitta who was solid except a big no catch td, Dixon&West no there not Bell but together they are a top 10 rb duo, should have been used more. Biggest issue was Pees sitting in prevent defense with a 10 point lead, elite qbs can carve up soft zones. You gotta play like you did 1st 3 quarters.

3) This was a rivalry game, players have pride. Regardless of the coach.

What you can definitely lay at Harbs feet is he lets his coordinators run everything because hes originally a ST Coach. Fans and media alike have repeatedly said this about him, a great coach takes control, makes adjustments and when you say your going to run the ball every week, yet your oc continues to draw up 45 pass plays a game, you as head coach veto that junk and call run plays cause its your job eventually on the line.

Secondly
We have seen that Harbs is a Yes Man type coach. He mutes the Raa raa swagger type alpha males or elimates them all together and his influence over the organization since sb proven fans correct by bad record, likely influence input in drafting away from say a Noah Spence or Shane Ray..bonefied Ballers and sack machines who might have a red flag for weed or raa raa swagger.. but are nasty football players and Ravens would be in playoffs right now.
A token tough guy like Sizzle or Smith sr, doesnt prove Harbs excepts alphas.
No more nice guys..draft nasty swagger ballers, like fans identify with...the Rsys,Pollards,Eds, Sizzle in his primes.
And I hate the excuse pollard cant play in todays nfl..Kam Chancellor is the same guy bigger but a enforcer type SS all he does is blow people up, so pollard could play, More proof Harbs didnt want nasty tough guys

1. No proof that either of those guys would be a better HC. McDaniels was terrible as a HC and destroyed the Broncos franchise (1st Round pick on Tebow..lol). Shanahan has sucked as an OC everywhere he's been that didn't have Julio Jones. The Ravens didn't let Kubiak get away - it was Kubiak's dream to HC for Elway with the team he played for - nothing was stopping that from happening.

2. C'mon be real. Bell is regarded as one of the best RB in the NFL. Antonio Brown is regarded as one of the best WR in the NFL. West/Dixon is nowhere near the level of Bell and SSS at 37 is nowhere near the level of AB. Pees did not play "prevent" on the last series. He blitzed on over half the plays. Learn the difference between Cover 6 (vs 4 WR) and Prevent Defense

3. Not every coach calls the plays - in fact it's quite the opposite. It's a coaching philosophy much like a management philosophy. Ever have a manager that micro-managed everything you did? Did you enjoy that? Ever have a manager that let you do your job without interfering? Harbaugh is the latter, Belichick is the former.

Secondly,
If Pollard could play then why hasn't ANY team signed him the last 2 years? (Because he sucks and can't play). Noah Spence had more issues than just weed and what has he done - he has 5.5 sacks - Pernell McPhee had 6 sacks his rookie year - not exactly a "sack machine baller" as you claim. Shane Ray was drafted in the 1st Round BEFORE the Ravens pick. Harbs has little to no impact on who the Ravens draft which is a typical front office structure (You should learn how the business side of Football is run)

And please go up to Yanda, BWill, Mosley, Weddle, Orr and tell them they are not  tough "Alphas" but are soft, Yes men. If you ever played any type of football above the high school level, you would know what a clown argument that is.

Edited December 28, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[Warren]

And on top of everything, Harbaugh has made this team very boring. They are flat out boring to watch. There are no players on the team that excites the local fanbase and definitely not other NFL cities. Maybe the kicker, I guess.

I live in the DFW area and both times that the Ravens went to the Super Bowl, there were people excited about seeing them play.

The first Super bowl, people wanted to see that defense. This last Super bowl people were excited about seeing Ed and Ray.

Outside of Baltimore, people aren't so much into the team, but more about certain players on the team. When you have big personalities and great players, it increases your fanbase to include a lot of fans outside of Baltimore.

[steelcityraven]

I say we bring back Rex Ryan. We can say whatever we ant about Dean Pees having the #5 defense in the NFL- what does it mean if we cannot count on him when we need to?

Over the past two years our defense under Pees has shown that Bend but don't Break ALWAYS breaks at the wrong time and that NO lead is safe.

2015
Week 1 The Broncos rally with 28 seconds left to beat us 19-13
Week 2. The Raiders rally behind Derek Carr to score the game winner with 26 seconds left leading the Raiders to a 37-33 win
Week 3. The Ravens blow a 14 point 4th quarter lead to the Bengals losing 28-24
Week 5. Jsoh McCown throws for 400 yards to come from behind and tie the came with seconds left and then leads a scoring drive to victory in over us in OT giving them a 33-30 win
Week 6. The 49ers and Kapernick hits a 51 yard pass to ABoldin and then a 21 yarder to Q Patton to lead the 49ers to a 4th quarter victory over us 25-20

Week 9. The Jags win on the last play of the game with a Jason Myers FG for a 22-20 victory over us

Week 13. Dolphins score two TDs in under a minute to beat the Ravens 15-13
Week 14 and 15 were blowouts losing to the Seahawks and Chiefs 35-6 and 34-14 respectively

Week 17 we saw Andy Dalton throw two 4th quarter TD passes to rally the Bengals past the Ravens 24-16

2016
Week 4. DCarr throws 4 TD passes including his final TD pass to Michael Crabtree to Rally the Raiders to a 28-27 victory in BMORE

Week 5. The Skins take the lead on a 50 yard drive in the fourth quarter (perriman later drops a TD pass in a comeback attempt but another 4th quarter comeback sinks us)

Week 6. Giants use a 75 yard 2nd half TD pass and then a 66 yarder to Odell Beckham with 1:24 left in the 4th to beat us 27-23

Week 7. The Jets send Ryan Fitzpatrick in for injured Geno Smith and Fitz leads the woeful Jets to 3 second half TDs for a 24-16 victory over us

Week 11. The Cowboys see rookie Dak Prescott lead them to 14 second half points to come from behind an beat us 27-17

Week 14. The Patriots see us rally and seize control of momentum heading into the 4th quarter only to give up an 80 yard TD pass to Chis Hogan sealing our fate with a 30-23 loss to the Pats.

Week 16. The Sqeelers erased a 14 point fourth quarter lead and scored 24 of their 31 points in the 2nd half (including 21 in the fourth quarter)

Pees bend but don't break philosophy doesn't work bc it ALWAYS breaks at the worst opportune movements. That has happened in 15 of our 17 loses over the past two years. (and BTW if we look at 2014 it is just as bad). That is a big enough sample. Pees should go. (I wouldn't mind bringing Rex back) but Rex or not - Pees got to go or it will be more of the same in 2017!

[steelcityraven]

BTW.... I really do not think that getting rid of HARBs is serious. I think he has shown that he can be one of the best coaches in this league... but if Harbs has a fault it is that he is too loyal to his buddies and the GM should force his hand a little more so that he cannot hang on to some of his assistant coaches way too long (when they are failing).

[ravens4life86]

@ConquererWorm, stop koolaid drinking your why this team is mediocre.
Dont come at me like that again.
1) Im not the only 1 who thinks and sees Harbs not taking control and letting his coordinators run everything. I guess you forgot the philly play. "Worst play call ever, I should of vetoed it" So dont be a blind koolaid drinker, Every week he preaches run the ball, yet he let Marty chuck it 45x. Dont be blind great Hc, Billy B in boston if he says were running it, runs the ball. I know Harbaugh isnt involved and a lot of head coaches arent.. but thsts the problem. When your the head coach and things are failing, taje control.

2) Age doesnt matter, Brady 40 still balling. Dont give me age. Smith sr atleast 1 more game a beast, Showing your blind ignorance. Acting like Ravens have a bunch of Travis Taylors. No Ravens have Pitta,Smith, West&Dixon, etc
And it was a prevent defense any type of zone coverage where you give the wrs across the board 10 yard cushions is a prevent defense(Cover 6,cover 3,cover 2 etc) it doesnt matter when you take your foot off the gas its prevent defense.

3) I wasnt saying Pollard specifically can still play its been a couple years now atleast since he last played. I was saying that type of player is still around, enforcer type SS. They made it sound like pollard was a dying breed, obviously not Kam Chancellor is that guy bigger but enforcer who smashes anybody across the middle. Imagine Chancellor on the Ravens Defense..or a younger Pollard...Fear factor from opponents.
As for alpha comment, you obviously dont get it. You have to be a alpha to play nfl football, but majority of players this city and fanbase identify with are the raa raa swagger alpha males you obviously dont get

[The Greek]

32 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I say we bring back Rex Ryan. We can say whatever we ant about Dean Pees having the #5 defense in the NFL- what does it mean if we cannot count on him when we need to?

Over the past two years our defense under Pees has shown that Bend but don't Break ALWAYS breaks at the wrong time and that NO lead is safe.

2015
Week 1 The Broncos rally with 28 seconds left to beat us 19-13
Week 2. The Raiders rally behind Derek Carr to score the game winner with 26 seconds left leading the Raiders to a 37-33 win
Week 3. The Ravens blow a 14 point 4th quarter lead to the Bengals losing 28-24
Week 5. Jsoh McCown throws for 400 yards to come from behind and tie the came with seconds left and then leads a scoring drive to victory in over us in OT giving them a 33-30 win
Week 6. The 49ers and Kapernick hits a 51 yard pass to ABoldin and then a 21 yarder to Q Patton to lead the 49ers to a 4th quarter victory over us 25-20

Week 9. The Jags win on the last play of the game with a Jason Myers FG for a 22-20 victory over us

Week 13. Dolphins score two TDs in under a minute to beat the Ravens 15-13
Week 14 and 15 were blowouts losing to the Seahawks and Chiefs 35-6 and 34-14 respectively

Week 17 we saw Andy Dalton throw two 4th quarter TD passes to rally the Bengals past the Ravens 24-16

2016
Week 4. DCarr throws 4 TD passes including his final TD pass to Michael Crabtree to Rally the Raiders to a 28-27 victory in BMORE

Week 5. The Skins take the lead on a 50 yard drive in the fourth quarter (perriman later drops a TD pass in a comeback attempt but another 4th quarter comeback sinks us)

Week 6. Giants use a 75 yard 2nd half TD pass and then a 66 yarder to Odell Beckham with 1:24 left in the 4th to beat us 27-23

Week 7. The Jets send Ryan Fitzpatrick in for injured Geno Smith and Fitz leads the woeful Jets to 3 second half TDs for a 24-16 victory over us

Week 11. The Cowboys see rookie Dak Prescott lead them to 14 second half points to come from behind an beat us 27-17

Week 14. The Patriots see us rally and seize control of momentum heading into the 4th quarter only to give up an 80 yard TD pass to Chis Hogan sealing our fate with a 30-23 loss to the Pats.

Week 16. The Sqeelers erased a 14 point fourth quarter lead and scored 24 of their 31 points in the 2nd half (including 21 in the fourth quarter)

Pees bend but don't break philosophy doesn't work bc it ALWAYS breaks at the worst opportune movements. That has happened in 15 of our 17 loses over the past two years. (and BTW if we look at 2014 it is just as bad). That is a big enough sample. Pees should go. (I wouldn't mind bringing Rex back) but Rex or not - Pees got to go or it will be more of the same in 2017!

nice work!! but i do not feel ryans foot fetish ways will mesh with harbs biblical ways plus i dont think rex would want to come back to a team that by passed him for the hc job 9 years ago. we shall see what harbs decides to do but you should email him this post of yours

Edited December 28, 2016 by The Greek

[law215]

I say we bring back Rex Ryan. We can say whatever we ant about Dean Pees having the #5 defense in the NFL- what does it mean if we cannot count on him when we need to?

Over the past two years our defense under Pees has shown that Bend but don't Break ALWAYS breaks at the wrong time and that NO lead is safe.

2015
Week 1 The Broncos rally with 28 seconds left to beat us 19-13
Week 2. The Raiders rally behind Derek Carr to score the game winner with 26 seconds left leading the Raiders to a 37-33 win
Week 3. The Ravens blow a 14 point 4th quarter lead to the Bengals losing 28-24
Week 5. Jsoh McCown throws for 400 yards to come from behind and tie the came with seconds left and then leads a scoring drive to victory in over us in OT giving them a 33-30 win
Week 6. The 49ers and Kapernick hits a 51 yard pass to ABoldin and then a 21 yarder to Q Patton to lead the 49ers to a 4th quarter victory over us 25-20

Week 9. The Jags win on the last play of the game with a Jason Myers FG for a 22-20 victory over us

Week 13. Dolphins score two TDs in under a minute to beat the Ravens 15-13
Week 14 and 15 were blowouts losing to the Seahawks and Chiefs 35-6 and 34-14 respectively

Week 17 we saw Andy Dalton throw two 4th quarter TD passes to rally the Bengals past the Ravens 24-16

2016
Week 4. DCarr throws 4 TD passes including his final TD pass to Michael Crabtree to Rally the Raiders to a 28-27 victory in BMORE

Week 5. The Skins take the lead on a 50 yard drive in the fourth quarter (perriman later drops a TD pass in a comeback attempt but another 4th quarter comeback sinks us)

Week 6. Giants use a 75 yard 2nd half TD pass and then a 66 yarder to Odell Beckham with 1:24 left in the 4th to beat us 27-23

Week 7. The Jets send Ryan Fitzpatrick in for injured Geno Smith and Fitz leads the woeful Jets to 3 second half TDs for a 24-16 victory over us

Week 11. The Cowboys see rookie Dak Prescott lead them to 14 second half points to come from behind an beat us 27-17

Week 14. The Patriots see us rally and seize control of momentum heading into the 4th quarter only to give up an 80 yard TD pass to Chis Hogan sealing our fate with a 30-23 loss to the Pats.

Week 16. The Sqeelers erased a 14 point fourth quarter lead and scored 24 of their 31 points in the 2nd half (including 21 in the fourth quarter)

Pees bend but don't break philosophy doesn't work bc it ALWAYS breaks at the worst opportune movements. That has happened in 15 of our 17 loses over the past two years. (and BTW if we look at 2014 it is just as bad). That is a big enough sample. Pees should go. (I wouldn't mind bringing Rex back) but Rex or not - Pees got to go or it will be more of the same in 2017!

My only argument against Rex defense has been lit up by Tom Brady during Ryan tenure. Bills defense has been no better than Ravens lately no matter the QB. Pees at least keeps the game close no matter who the Ravens have play or where.

His lack of aggressive play calling with a lead is a concern. Everything looks like prevent defense when there is no pass rush.

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

2 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Im not advocating Harbaugh getting fired, Im just playing Devils advocate. And I do think the seat is hot even if Harbaugh does have couple years left.

1) Who would realistically be better and take the job, McDaniels, Shanahan, You want to automatically fix the offense, hire a offensive guru as your hc, you have the franchise qb in place etc. Probably shouldve done it with Kubiak but let him get away to Denver.

1. No proof that either of those guys would be a better HC.
 

Was there any proof in 2008 that Harbaugh would be a better HC than Billick?

And, it's a moot point anyway, as Harbaugh's contract has just been extended - so he'll stay.

Edited December 28, 2016 by bioLarzen

[slowboater]

6 hours ago, balfan23 said:

The article really appeared to put the majority of the blame on our inability to reach the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years on the front office, more than Harbaugh and his staff. While the article does appear to question what direction we'll ultimately go in terms of who will lead the offense, nothing at all hinted at a change at DC.  

The front office deserves blame as they have wiffed on many high draft picks. Prime example? Matt Elam. I watched Elam play at Florida and nothing screamed first round pick. But, I screamed when he was selected and the Ravens reached for him and at the very least should have taken another too highly rated, Cyprien. Elam might have laid big hits on 175 lb. receivers but he is/was no match for NFL caliber players. The front office has proven by it's history that they cannot identify great offensive playmaker talent and that is concerning to say the least.

[sami]

anybody that thinks Rex Ryan is the answer knows nothing about coaching football. Rex hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire and while he was at Baltimore had the help of Ray and Ed to lead the way.