[News] Late For Work 12/28: Offseason Changes Are Needed, But Not At Head Coach

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

  15 minutes ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  24 minutes ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

Guess we're the only 2 who feels that way. People seem to hang on to a SB win that was 4 years ago with a different swag on defense and offense. Harbs has ruined this team, along with his inept coordinators. But hey, what do we know??

Not much.

lol wow that really hurt my feelings.

[ByTheBay]

People need to stop acting like this was a win and you're in game. We still would have had to beat cincy in cincy the next week. It was entirely possible we would beat pit in prime time and then lose to the bengals and miss the playoffs. Pit is not going to the browns. This isnt the same as the Lee evans drop. 

[Raven1995]

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I really don't know what ails our Ravens and what needs fixing. I do know one thing though. Harbaugh hasn't been a winning coach since winning the SB and something needs to give. His loyalty to his coaches may be one of the reasons why we are not very good. Harbaugh isn't known for his football acumen with Xs and Os, but is a strong leader and motivator of people. Those are the top qualities needed in a HC and Harbs excels in them. However, he needs to hire the best football coaches available regardless of his knowledge of or closeness to them. The hiring of Trestman over Adam Gase comes to mind as telling of his decision making. Gase is taking the Dolphins into the playoffs and Trestman is fired.
We need a creative offensive mind and I'm all for hiring Rex Ryan as a defensive consultant much like Al Saunders was on offense a few years ago.

if you follow the Ravens closely, the hiring of Trestman over Gase made sense, the Ravens knew Gase was going to be a head coach so they wanted consistency but it did not work with Trestman. I agree with your point that we need a creative OC but who now? We have to bear in mind that we want someone who will stay for at least 3 to 4 yrs. We cannot hire a HC candidate to be our OC.

I agree on not hiring Gase, but Kyle Shanahan would of been a nice hire after leaving Cleveland in 2014, he is doing great in Atlanta.

[Raven1995]

  37 minutes ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

It really grinds my gears to hear him defend Flacco every time a reporter asks him about a boneheaded play or decision made by Flacco or what's up with Flacco's mechanics. He always says things like Joe is a great QB, I'm a Joe Flacco fan, Joe will be the first to tell you he needs to play better, Joe this Joe that. But will rip Timmy to shreds for a bad play, or put players like West and Judon in the doghouse for a special teams mistake. He does the same thing with his awful coordinators. IDC what anyone says, the days of a winning culture are far behind us and it's not a coincidence that is dwindled after the SB team was dismantled.

First order of being a Head Coach never bad mouth your Starting Quarterback, too many other people, Fans & Reporters, will do a ton of that.

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

Clearly the fire everyone crowd is out today. I think that we need to step back and look at what other teams are doing and how successful they are with a revolving door at HC. Clearly, it just shows how little these people know about NFL football.

If this team hadn't improved since 5-11 then maybe we would look at Harbaugh but we were one game out of winning the division. If you listen to what other experts say about the Ravens and their coaching staff then maybe you would be a little more enlightened. Right now there is a lot of ticked off and not a lot of common sense being thrown about here. PFT said that short a couple losses as a result of Trestman earlier in the year, the Ravens were a legitimate super bowl team. Shame it had to come down to that game but short the Pees bend, bend, break philosophy, this team would have a lot more success.

Fact is, the OC has to go, isn't qualified and we need to go out and court a real OC and DC and not one of John's buddies from the Eagles. The bend, bend, bend, break defensive mentallity, doesn't cut it any more in this NFL. For the longest time I thought we could get by with Pees, but his inability to make adjustments in a timely manner always costs us.

No we do need to make some changes and I would maybe throw Castillo in that mix as well. When we had legitimate candidates like Kubiak, we could see what we could do, the same is true both offense and defense, we need to get people who really excel in coordinating. We didn't get to the last game of the season and barely miss going into the playoffs because we have a lousy head coach. Harbaugh needs strong coordinators due to his lack of experience in those areas and when we had those quality coordinators, we always did well.

The same experts that usually calls us pretenders? Hmmm people seem to think that just because some of us want change it means we are not knowledgeable. I don't think wanting a new regime after 9 years would constitute as a revolving door. We've only had 2 coaches in an 18 year span, so now all of a sudden we are the jets and browns because we want something new? This team is prehistoric. We were only still in the thick of the playoff race because cincy had an uncharacteristic bad season, and pitt had some injuries early that costed them some games. Had they been playing like they have been the last 5 games they would have ran away with the division and left us in the dust. HB is handicapping us to a degree with a lot of his decision making and if he stays then someone needs to override some of those decisions.

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

  35 minutes ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  52 minutes ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

It really grinds my gears to hear him defend Flacco every time a reporter asks him about a boneheaded play or decision made by Flacco or what's up with Flacco's mechanics. He always says things like Joe is a great QB, I'm a Joe Flacco fan, Joe will be the first to tell you he needs to play better, Joe this Joe that. But will rip Timmy to shreds for a bad play, or put players like West and Judon in the doghouse for a special teams mistake. He does the same thing with his awful coordinators. IDC what anyone says, the days of a winning culture are far behind us and it's not a coincidence that is dwindled after the SB team was dismantled.

First order of being a Head Coach never bad mouth your Starting Quarterback, too many other people, Fans & Reporters, will do a ton of that.

Welp, then that should run through all the players. They have feelings too....

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

If the Ravens part ways with Harbaugh it will take him under ten seconds to be a Head Coach again.

and your point???

[Raven1995]

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

I disagree, the won the Superbowl because everyone was healthy at the end of the season, they had a New OC in Jim Caldwell and they moved Osemele to LG. Ray had a Good game against the Colts but that was it.

[leziRav]

  41 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I really don't know what ails our Ravens and what needs fixing. I do know one thing though. Harbaugh hasn't been a winning coach since winning the SB and something needs to give. His loyalty to his coaches may be one of the reasons why we are not very good. Harbaugh isn't known for his football acumen with Xs and Os, but is a strong leader and motivator of people. Those are the top qualities needed in a HC and Harbs excels in them. However, he needs to hire the best football coaches available regardless of his knowledge of or closeness to them. The hiring of Trestman over Adam Gase comes to mind as telling of his decision making. Gase is taking the Dolphins into the playoffs and Trestman is fired.
We need a creative offensive mind and I'm all for hiring Rex Ryan as a defensive consultant much like Al Saunders was on offense a few years ago.

if you follow the Ravens closely, the hiring of Trestman over Gase made sense, the Ravens knew Gase was going to be a head coach so they wanted consistency but it did not work with Trestman. I agree with your point that we need a creative OC but who now? We have to bear in mind that we want someone who will stay for at least 3 to 4 yrs. We cannot hire a HC candidate to be our OC.

I agree on not hiring Gase, but Kyle Shanahan would of been a nice hire after leaving Cleveland in 2014, he is doing great in Atlanta.

Yes I agree but we pass on Shanahan over Kubiak in 2014, In 2015 we went over Trestman due to stability. Shanahan is going to be a HC next season or a season later. I think there will also be risk picking an OC but we have minimizing the risk and go with our gut. It is not that easy, I hope we get a better OC who will stay for a while.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  52 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I really don't know what ails our Ravens and what needs fixing. I do know one thing though. Harbaugh hasn't been a winning coach since winning the SB and something needs to give. His loyalty to his coaches may be one of the reasons why we are not very good. Harbaugh isn't known for his football acumen with Xs and Os, but is a strong leader and motivator of people. Those are the top qualities needed in a HC and Harbs excels in them. However, he needs to hire the best football coaches available regardless of his knowledge of or closeness to them. The hiring of Trestman over Adam Gase comes to mind as telling of his decision making. Gase is taking the Dolphins into the playoffs and Trestman is fired.
We need a creative offensive mind and I'm all for hiring Rex Ryan as a defensive consultant much like Al Saunders was on offense a few years ago.

if you follow the Ravens closely, the hiring of Trestman over Gase made sense, the Ravens knew Gase was going to be a head coach so they wanted consistency but it did not work with Trestman. I agree with your point that we need a creative OC but who now? We have to bear in mind that we want someone who will stay for at least 3 to 4 yrs. We cannot hire a HC candidate to be our OC.

I agree on not hiring Gase, but Kyle Shanahan would of been a nice hire after leaving Cleveland in 2014, he is doing great in Atlanta.

Julio Jones.

[CQ1]

If Harbaugh is not willing to over ride various plays or schemes- why have him?

[leziRav]

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

"...and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on" I believe that was the 2013 season, we finish 8-8 that year and did not make the playoff. Pitts did not make the playoffs that year neither. It was the Chargers who made it to the playoffs. KC VS SD, KC was already in the playoffs. SD was 8-7 a win take them to playoffs, a lose take Pitts to playoffs as about 5 teams would have 8-8 records and tie breaker go the squealers. Lucky Chargers made it.

[CQ1]

Regardless of who we get- don't us fans deserve a team that is willing to try to win than NOT to lose. The conservative, old-fashioned, vanilla bullpoo gets old and only goes so far.

[The Greek]

"help from the front office" that has been the biggest problem imo plus some untimely injuries. need to do what it takes to fix what ails us and that has been cb and a big hard hitting safety. we also need a consistent receiver that can take over games(maybe that is perriman but i will believe it when i see it), suggs replacement and a dominant center. sure it is not easy to fill all of the needs in one offseason but imo the secondary and center need to be addressed. hopefully correia judon kaufusi z man will improve and suggs/doom stay healthy to buy us a year until 2018 draft.

[Glen1024]

6-22 the last 4 years vs teams with a winning record....please stop making excuses for this guy he inherited a superbowl team and since those guys left it's been mediocrity

[metalraven]

We were a foot away from winning the AFC north after playing a team on a 5 game winning streak, in their place, with the top RB and top WR and one of the top QBs in the league. And you guys want to fire everyone and start over. I think you'd be happier in Cleveland, they start over every two years.

hahaha. great points.

[Crusader]

Rex also got fired because his brother took a top 5 defense and made it into 15th and could not stop Miami with little more than a minute left in the game. Miami drove the length of the field and score the winning points which also happen on several occasions during the Bills year. Ravens have been having the same issue the last couple of years.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

And how well are Pagano and Rex doing right now?

Yep. Nothing else needs to be said.

[metalraven]

Let me first say I love Joe, but business is business.

The Ravens are projected to be $14,239,178 UNDER the cap and have to find a way to resign top priority guys like unrestricted free agents Brandon Williams, and Kyle Jusczyk. Plus, restricted free agents like Terrence West, Ricky Wagner, Ryan Jensen, Zachary Orr. Joe Flacco’s cap number for 2017 is $24.55M.

The Denver Broncos are projected to be $30,225,385 UNDER the cap for 2017 and have 38 players under contract. All of their main guys are locked up.
I wonder what type of trade could be made. Denver is in desperate need of a QB, and Joe knows their offense. Baltimore would get the cap relief it needs to retool the team.

I get what you're saying. But the big question is - who replaces Joe? If the Ravens do that, it's not a "retool", it's a complete rebuild. Joe ain't the greatest, but he's a franchise QB. Franchise QBs aren't easily replaced. It's not like they grow on trees.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  23 minutes ago, JD08 said:

I would like to see Harbaugh go, but there's not many good candidates that can replace him. He got rid of players that bumped heads with him and it has hurt the team, I think that's why we see players leave us to go play for Pagano or Rex. He never calls out Flacco for the many mistakes he makes but any mistake made by anyone else they get called out for it

First off, the FO gets rid of players. Perhaps Harbaugh will have his say, but I'm not sure who it is that we got rid of solely because they bumped heads with Harbaugh, who would have otherwise been a great service to the team. Please don't say Boldin, because there was no indication that he and Harbaugh didn't get along. That IMO was purely an Ozzie move. Who else are you thinking of? 

The enforcer of the secondary AKA the patriot killer. Does Bernard Pollard ring a bell? Does James Ihedigbo ring a bell to name a few?

[dirtybird66]

my opinion is players will play better for MARVIN LEWIS and also bring in REX RYAN as D coordinator,tired of the prevent D of PEES.it prevents winning!

[dirtybird66]

with a consistant QB and a shutdown corner to go with TAVON YOUNG,not J SMITH,he can never be counted on and is mediocre when healthy,release him.

[The Greek]

i cannot see harbs replacing both coordinators. he needs too imo but pees will most likely remain unless he is ready to retire. would like to see us go after gus bradley or pagano if he gets canned by the colts. not sure if norv turner would be a good fit here but he would be an improvement over trestman and marty.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  53 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

  1 hour ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

So 1 trip to the playoffs in 4 years is something to be happy about? It's not about how close we were in that game, it's about how far apart we've been from the playoffs since winning the SB

Of course it isn't. But looking at the situation, does it warrant blowing the entire team to bits and starting over? The article argues that PIT missed 3 or 5 and didn't take the scorched earth approach to the situation. Not sure what you're advocating to fix this, but if it involves the dismissal of the HC, what was also pointed out in this article is that PIT is in because they have drafted top notch playmakers over the past few years and we have not. 

The HC cannot be w/o fault. He has decision making capabilities as to who stays and who goes when it comes to roster cuts. Even if the players are not quite pro bowl players. And he has decided to cut players that deserved to stay to keep or bring in players like Hester which will forever be one of the worst calls he's ever made. He's made so many in game clock management blunders that have cost us at least 3 games this season alone. He has made poor decisions with coordinator hires that has left us with a 9 yr QB who is heavily reliant on a coordinator to help him play well. Our nasty streak has left the building and its what has kept us a dominant organization for years even with years of having an inept offense. This is Harbaugh's team now and I barely recognize it. I'm not saying dismantle or blow up the team, but staying the exact same would constitute insanity. Something has to change, and if keeping HB is what's done, then the coordinators and assistant coaches needs to be revamped, along with the scouting department.

Show your source that Harbaugh brought in Hester. You have no clue on how this front office works. The HC doesn't bring in players or trade players.

More than likely, Harbaugh said to DeCosta or Ozzie, "we need a kick returner, what we have isn't working". Ozzie then goes to Moriarty and says, "we need a kick returner, what's the salary cap number we can afford". Ozzie then goes to Vincent (Director of Pro Personnel)., "We need a kick returner and we have $2 million to spend, who's available?" Jacoby Jones, Devin Hester, Player X, Player Y. Ok, call Hester, X & Y's agents and get them in here for a workout immediately - our 1st game is in 8 days. Player X said he has another workout with the Lions and will probably sign. Hester will be here tonight. Player Y can be here on Wednesday.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  23 minutes ago, potomacpitbulls said:

Let me first say I love Joe, but business is business.

The Ravens are projected to be $14,239,178 UNDER the cap and have to find a way to resign top priority guys like unrestricted free agents Brandon Williams, and Kyle Jusczyk. Plus, restricted free agents like Terrence West, Ricky Wagner, Ryan Jensen, Zachary Orr. Joe Flacco’s cap number for 2017 is $24.55M.

The Denver Broncos are projected to be $30,225,385 UNDER the cap for 2017 and have 38 players under contract. All of their main guys are locked up.
I wonder what type of trade could be made. Denver is in desperate need of a QB, and Joe knows their offense. Baltimore would get the cap relief it needs to retool the team.

no sense, you let Joe goes who is going to be your QB. Please don't tell me Mallet, cause I will refer you to his time with the Houston Texans.

What he meant to say is that Denver has double the cap space, a rookie qb that isnt making as much money as flacco but since Denver invested in great defensive players the Broncos have more wins than us with a way inferior QB. Not to mention they play in the best division in the NFL while the AFC North has become garbage this year and very likely moving forward. Im not calling for Mallet but I will assure you he will still do a lot better than Lynch or Siemien.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  25 minutes ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

So 1 trip to the playoffs in 4 years is something to be happy about? It's not about how close we were in that game, it's about how far apart we've been from the playoffs since winning the SB

Of course it isn't. But looking at the situation, does it warrant blowing the entire team to bits and starting over? The article argues that PIT missed 3 or 5 and didn't take the scorched earth approach to the situation. Not sure what you're advocating to fix this, but if it involves the dismissal of the HC, what was also pointed out in this article is that PIT is in because they have drafted top notch playmakers over the past few years and we have not. 

What top notch playmakers have the steelers drafted the past couple of years??? Shazier? Well we have Mosley who is way better and they both came from the same draft class. Pitt passed on Mosley to pick Shazier. Please enlighten me and tell me who the Steelers have drafted in the past 3 years that are better than our new guys? The difference between pitt and bmore is clear. Todd Hailey vs Trestman, Marty, Caldwell, Cameron....

The reason why the Steelers have not been more successful with arguably the #1 WR, #1 RB and #3 QB in the league is because of Mike Tomlin. If the Jets would have beat the lowly Bills in week 17 last year Pitt was out of the playoffs after the devastating blow we handed them in week 16. If Pees actually had some balls pitt would have missed the playoff again this year and that would have been 5 playoff misses in 6 years since their SB appearance. That is more than reason enough for him to get fired. After Pitts last SB appearance they have 1 playoff win and most of their appearances in the playoffs have not been earned, they were gifted just like our only playoff appearance since our last SB trip.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

"...and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on" I believe that was the 2013 season, we finish 8-8 that year and did not make the playoff. Pitts did not make the playoffs that year neither. It was the Chargers who made it to the playoffs. KC VS SD, KC was already in the playoffs. SD was 8-7 a win take them to playoffs, a lose take Pitts to playoffs as about 5 teams would have 8-8 records and tie breaker go the squealers. Lucky Chargers made it.

True. Thanks for correcting my mistake. Still proves how poorly the Steelers have played over the years regardless of their 3 headed monster in Ben, Bell and Brown.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  1 hour ago, Raven1995 said:

  1 hour ago, leziRav said:

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I really don't know what ails our Ravens and what needs fixing. I do know one thing though. Harbaugh hasn't been a winning coach since winning the SB and something needs to give. His loyalty to his coaches may be one of the reasons why we are not very good. Harbaugh isn't known for his football acumen with Xs and Os, but is a strong leader and motivator of people. Those are the top qualities needed in a HC and Harbs excels in them. However, he needs to hire the best football coaches available regardless of his knowledge of or closeness to them. The hiring of Trestman over Adam Gase comes to mind as telling of his decision making. Gase is taking the Dolphins into the playoffs and Trestman is fired.
We need a creative offensive mind and I'm all for hiring Rex Ryan as a defensive consultant much like Al Saunders was on offense a few years ago.

if you follow the Ravens closely, the hiring of Trestman over Gase made sense, the Ravens knew Gase was going to be a head coach so they wanted consistency but it did not work with Trestman. I agree with your point that we need a creative OC but who now? We have to bear in mind that we want someone who will stay for at least 3 to 4 yrs. We cannot hire a HC candidate to be our OC.

I agree on not hiring Gase, but Kyle Shanahan would of been a nice hire after leaving Cleveland in 2014, he is doing great in Atlanta.

Julio Jones.

Julio Jones didnt suit up for 3 games and had 2-3 other games were he didnt contribute more than 2 receptions for 30 yards and guess what?? ATL won each and every one of those games. So saying Julio is the ONLY reason for Shannahans success is not only stupid but irresponsible.

[TheRavengers]

Let's all not forget that the Steelers put up a whopping 10 points for the first 3 quarters of the game. Then come 4th quarter they went down for TDs on 3 drives and we did nothing to stop them. 

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

  1 hour ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

I completely disagree that a change at HC is not needed. Harbs lost this team half way thru the 2012 season. They won the SB thanks to Ray, Ed and the gang. Since Ray and Ed's departure the Ravens have only made the playoffs once and nobody seems to remember that we had to mount a 4th Qrt comeback in Cleveland in week 17 that year and we still needed the help of a botched 25 yard field goal by KC vs SD. If the kick was good Pitt moved on to the playoffs but since KC missed we moved on. Look it up if you dont remember. And since then we missed the last 2 playoffs and have a combined losing record.

I do believe a change at DC is more urgent than a change in HC. Our Def has not been good for 4-5 years now. Regardless of what PFF or whomever says our defense was NEVER ranked #1 in the NFL this year. Its easy to pad your stats when you play Buff (OC fired 2 weeks later), Browns x2, Jags, Jets, Redskins, Cincy without AJ Green, Pitt with Big Ben 9 days removed from a meniscal cleanup and a bunch of other putrid offenses. The moment we played a decent team we got manhandled. If ya'll cant see that then you are blind.

Unfortunately nothing will happen with Harbs, Pees and company because we are still living in the past and not looking at the tendencies. This team's arrow is pointing downwards and needs a new injection of life, accountability and passion for winning. I thought this was a league of "what have you done for me LATELY?". Because I know what this team, especially Harbs with his poor clock management and overall clueless attitude, has done lately. Harbs has made way too many piss poor decisions in games and to top it off he couldn't seem prouder of his ineptitude when asked about it in post game pressers.

For these and many more reasons Harbs and Pees are no good for the Ravens moving forward.

I disagree, the won the Superbowl because everyone was healthy at the end of the season, they had a New OC in Jim Caldwell and they moved Osemele to LG. Ray had a Good game against the Colts but that was it.

Everyone was healthy in the playoff loss against the Patriots 2 years ago. What is your excuse for that one? That one is solely on Dean Pees. Dean Pees played soft the entire 2nd half and we gave up two 14 point leads. And just to be clear, I am not saying Ray was the only reason for our SB win, but the team rallied around him to send him into retirement with another ring. You failed to mention Reed's contributions, pollard's, Ihedigbo's, Anquan's contributions..... None of those guys were on the team 2 months after we raised the trophy.