without blaming coaches, what are the Ravens main issues?

[I AM LEGEND]

QB

 

 

[Tornado700]

We need at least two more O lineman, two corners, one threat receiver, to start the new year.

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, omar586 said:

we have ozzie, we draft better than most 

Has nothing to do with Rex though. He had no shortage of talent on defense in Buffalo (certainly more than we had), and his defenses didn't perform up to expectations there.

Honestly not sure whether the style of defense he runs really translates in the NFL these days.

[Virginia 55]

 The Quarterback stinks for the money he receives 

[Wisdom]

21 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

QB

 

 

I agree!!! 

[Wisdom]

9 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

 The Quarterback stinks for the money he receives 

I agree.  The less money you have to tie up in your slow average / below average quarterback, the more money you have to spend on other positions.  He is too needy and sub par to demand such high pay.  Nothing more than greed at best!!!

[stampedehero]

On 12/27/2016 at 9:10 PM, omar586 said:

lets just hire REX as the DC of the this team and our D will b fine.

Sorry Man.  Not feeling that.  Rex should invent a television weight loss program for guys.: )

Edited December 30, 2016 by stampedehero

[stampedehero]

9 hours ago, Wisdom said:

I agree.  The less money you have to tie up in your slow average / below average quarterback, the more money you have to spend on other positions.  He is too needy and sub par to demand such high pay.  Nothing more than greed at best!!!

It was Biscotti that opted to pay and his checkbook hurts more than our feelings.  This year both D and O were equal to blame.  Week 15 was  clearly a D problem.  Within a minute we experienced No effective Rush, No mid filed defenders and absolutely there should not have been an AB#84 at the half yard line.  

[Glen1024]

1. coaches take a coaching clinic on how to game plan and make adjustments in game.

2. Pass rush...

3. Pass rush....

4. Pass rush....

5. New center

6. Offense that uses the STRENGTHS OF IT'S TALENT....running the ball, play action, more vertical passing game....enough with the substituting the running game with short passing, learn how to execute running the ball without penalties

7. New approach with strength and conditioning, we're wearing down too much in the 4th 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, stampedehero said:

Sorry Man.  Not feeling that.  Rex should invent a television weight loss program for guys.: )

I'm thinking more along the lines of a reality show......  "Rex and Rob's Celebrity Pool Party"   or something like that.   lol

[Rav'n Maniac]

10 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I'm thinking more along the lines of a reality show......  "Rex and Rob's Celebrity Pool Party"   or something like that.   lol

Thinking more that Rex should become a podiatrist. We already know how he feels about feet. "Dr. Rex"

[Tank 92]

14 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Thinking more that Rex should become a podiatrist. We already know how he feels about feet. "Dr. Rex"

haha!  

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, stampedehero said:

Sorry Man.  Not feeling that.  Rex should invent a television weight loss program for guys.: )

 

18 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Thinking more that Rex should become a podiatrist. We already know how he feels about feet. "Dr. Rex"

[Somerset Ravens]

In my opinion the Ravens have a strong need to improve both the offensive and defensive lines. If you can dominate the line of scrimmage you will win many more games than you lose.

On the offensive line we need to acquire a top notch center and a dominant guard. Hopefully we can keep Wagner allowing Lewis to be our top backup. A dominant offensive line allows us to run the ball and dictate to opposing defenses.

Our defensive line needs to be able to rush the passer. Our interior lineman have been pathetic at applying pressure on the quarterback. We give quarterbacks far too much time. An young edge rusher would be helpful too.

[Glen1024]

Let me be honest: This is not Ravens football. The offensive and defensive schemes doesnt fit our personnel. We got weapons on offense, but the play calling is terrible. We got speed at WR and 2 good running backs, big physical tight ends, but we always go 3&out, pathetic!  On defense we got depth up front, but our LBs, safeties, and corners are not physical or fast. The " bend but dont break" scheme is not fit for Ravens football. We suppose to be an attacking physical D, not one that sits back and watch the other team march right down the field with ease. 

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This needs to be reposted over and over again until someone at the castle takes notice...a short passing game is not a substitute for running the ball....you have speed guys at wr work the ball downfield....Lets stop trying to be other teams and just be ourselves, the loss of identity is a huge problem and why I won't stop coming at harbaugh because he says all the right things and then come sunday it's like what the hell have they been working on all week

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, Glen1024 said:

Let me be honest: This is not Ravens football. The offensive and defensive schemes doesnt fit our personnel. We got weapons on offense, but the play calling is terrible. We got speed at WR and 2 good running backs, big physical tight ends, but we always go 3&out, pathetic!  On defense we got depth up front, but our LBs, safeties, and corners are not physical or fast. The " bend but dont break" scheme is not fit for Ravens football. We suppose to be an attacking physical D, not one that sits back and watch the other team march right down the field with ease. 

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This needs to be reposted over and over again until someone at the castle takes notice...a short passing game is not a substitute for running the ball....you have speed guys at wr work the ball downfield....Lets stop trying to be other teams and just be ourselves, the loss of identity is a huge problem and why I won't stop coming at harbaugh because he says all the right things and then come sunday it's like what the hell have they been working on all week

Well, there's also the notion that the "brand of football" or "Ravens football" may need to be adapted to reflect a more modern NFL team. 

Hell look at our direct competitors. The Pittsburgh Steelers were supposed to be the epitome of a "blue collar" team. Smash mouth football. Run the ball up the middle and just try to out-physical your guy. Blitz all the time and just focus on stopping the run.

They do very little of those things any more, and it seems to be working just fine for now.

I agree we need an identity, but that identity certainly doesn't need to be the same as it was 10 years or 15 years ago, which I think is what a lot of Ravens fans are struggling to understand. Its no longer good enough to just be physical or attacking. No shortage of "attacking" defenses that get beat like a drum on a weekly basis (basically any Ryan defense). 

I also don't see the big TEs you guys are referencing. The two "big TEs" I see are Gillmore and Boyle, and they've missed about basically 10 games each. Waller is a big guy but he also doesn't really utilize his size that well.

[Ravenseconbeast]

-budgeting-

Ravens 'were' (among other past SB teams) Superbowl contenders because their overall roster had a better talent than the other team. For us, What changed? When did we become SB contenders every year to not being in playoffs 3of 4years?  Well that started soon as our budgeting going off the rails.

We need to get back to fixing our budgets on players.  Get back to *'Right player, right price mentality'*. 

Ever since the flacco contract fiasco, we stopped filling our roster with enough talents depths and playmakets on all sides of the ball.  

We have talent, but we lack more playmakers and quality depths and that is b/c we our money are on players who are underperforming on their contracts. We need to get greater values on contracts we have.  That is what we use to do.  Get better value for what we paid for.  

FO will do their best to hit on gems @FA on treasure dumps and draft, but at the end of the day you have to scrap out dumpster in your own yard to clean up the town.  

Joe Flacco and Doom are focal starters that has to agree to a new deal.  They did not deliver on their end of the bargain and it is hurting the team severely.   Not only because their own salary is bad, but also because of future contracts.  Flacco and Doom has been injured, but there is no charity money bc you are hurt.  You get paid to perform for the team.  Not to be a fan favorite and look pretty.

'Right player, right price'.  Get back to how that worked. 

 

-to much 'chances' on underperforming players-

We have several gunk that we gave another year of chance but clearly did nothing to contribute: Arrington, Kendrick, Elam.  Get them out of here.

We also need to give some of our lackluster drafts an ultimatum: Perrimen, Carl, Maxx all have to be the best at their position or at least capable to being #1 before regular season start or get them out.  That message has to be clear: we are not a charity organization.  Maxx and Perrimen being #1 &#2 choice on draft especially hurts.  They should be by now main focal points of our offense, but they are often injured and lack conditioning and durability to start in NFL. 

--team chemistry--

I think so far Ravens have done pretty well sticking together.  Players abd cosches respect each other.  Messages are getting across.  Players and coaches are taking accountability.  

Jets and Jaguars 'TUNED' out their coaches until the blame shifted on the coaches.  Then miraculously players finally 'showed' up and started performing better soon as they got fear on their lazy asses with their job on the line.  ---this is what loser organization do.  Constant circus of new coaches and new trendy attempt to do something different when all it really is..is to simply perform.

We have the same effect on our OCs. We put too much pressure to shift the blame on OC, only to pick a new one pretty much every 2 year.  There is no accountability on players and continuity especially on offense. Pick a OC, make sure he stays make sure players tune in and listen to the message.   That is harbaugh's job to some extent.  But also his job to weed out the poison and be fair and stop being 'bias'.  Its clear the shift on blame goes onto the OC much heavier then Flacco and the offense.   Works both ways.   

 

 

Edited December 30, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[BmoreBird22]

If anyone is curious, I made a fan post over at Baltimore Beatdown that examined the lack of execution by the players against the Steelers and where the failures were there.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/12/30/14124730/is-dean-pees-really-that-much-of-a-problem-steelers-edition

[Glen1024]

27 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, there's also the notion that the "brand of football" or "Ravens football" may need to be adapted to reflect a more modern NFL team. 

Hell look at our direct competitors. The Pittsburgh Steelers were supposed to be the epitome of a "blue collar" team. Smash mouth football. Run the ball up the middle and just try to out-physical your guy. Blitz all the time and just focus on stopping the run.

They do very little of those things any more, and it seems to be working just fine for now.

I agree we need an identity, but that identity certainly doesn't need to be the same as it was 10 years or 15 years ago, which I think is what a lot of Ravens fans are struggling to understand. Its no longer good enough to just be physical or attacking. No shortage of "attacking" defenses that get beat like a drum on a weekly basis (basically any Ryan defense). 

I also don't see the big TEs you guys are referencing. The two "big TEs" I see are Gillmore and Boyle, and they've missed about basically 10 games each. Waller is a big guy but he also doesn't really utilize his size that well.

2012 after cam firing and 2014 beg to differ...also I ask what was Denver's game plan last year, I ask about the Seahawks as well, Carolina last year.....enough with this modern league crap games are still won and loss at the line of scrimmage......you speak of pitt but what's their playoff record since changing from bruce Arians offense? THIS AIN'T FANTASY FOOTBALL BRO PHYSICAL FOOTBALL TEAMS PLAY AND ADVANCE IN DEC/JAN......we was a soft team this year we struggled in all but 1 game and folded against any team of quality when we used to dominate games with no QB...

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, Glen1024 said:

2012 after cam firing and 2014 beg to differ...also I ask what was Denver's game plan last year, I ask about the Seahawks as well, Carolina last year.....enough with this modern league crap games are still won and loss at the line of scrimmage......you speak of pitt but what's their playoff record since changing from bruce Arians offense? THIS AIN'T FANTASY FOOTBALL BRO PHYSICAL FOOTBALL TEAMS PLAY AND ADVANCE IN DEC/JAN......we was a soft team this year we struggled in all but 1 game and folded against any team of quality when we used to dominate games with no QB...

LOL, nice try, but a lot of those teams you listed don't fit the mold of the teams you are describing...

The 2012 Ravens defense was one of the worst defenses of the Harbaugh era. They got pushed around a lot on the defensive line, namely the fact that we were 20th that season in rushing yards allowed. We gave up over 100 yards rushing in every single playoff game we played that year, including 182 yards and over 6 YPC in the SB against the 49ers. Firing Cam had nothing to do with our ability to stop the run... we just weren't any good at it.

Denver's gameplan last year was simply to play great defense. They had elite secondary players, elite pass rushers, and elite linebackers. They controlled about 50% of the LOS, because they were getting dominated up front on the offensive side of the ball often. Similar issues in Carolina... really good along the Dline, nothing special on the Oline. That's controlling PART of the LOS, not the entire LOS. 

Since they hired Todd Haley, they are 1-2 in the playoffs. Since 2013, the Ravens are 1-1 in the playoffs. So what exactly is your point? They have a lot more talent on their team (particularly offensively) than we do right now, and that's why they beat us and they are playing next weekend and we are not. Sunday's loss to the Steelers had very little to do with controlling the LOS... they ran the ball effectively and so did we. We pass protected better than they did. We controlled TOP and we had less turnovers. They were just better when it mattered the most. THAT is what wins in December/January. 

We've seen teams with no pass rush and no desire to run the ball win in the playoffs. That's nothing new. There is no one size fits all approach to winning in January. That's why teams need to be able to adapt. The teams that adapt the best typically win the most. 

[JoeyFlex5]

so many people blaming joe flacco with zero explanation... 

i shouldve just titled the thread "without being a complete simpleton, what are the ravens main issues?"

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so many people blaming joe flacco with zero explanation... 

i shouldve just titled the thread "without being a complete simpleton, what are the ravens main issues?"

for someone who attempted 623 passes barely scrapping 4000 yards and having 20 TD with 14 INT , im not really sure what explanation you are looking for.

he was horrible during the first part of the season which probably had something to do with the 4 game losing streak we had then.

he did not exactly light the world on fire in the 2nd part either.

he AIN'T the ONLY issue, but he will certainly be 1 of the main issues if this is what we can expect going forward.....

 

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so many people blaming joe flacco with zero explanation... 

i shouldve just titled the thread "without being a complete simpleton, what are the ravens main issues?"

It is easy to just blame Flacco and requires very little thought.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Scheme, making better use of the players we have. They need to be taught how to be smart football players, what to do in each situation, clock management for example, or double covering the biggest playmaker the opponent has. 

And we need some playmakers on our side from rounds 1-3, not busts like Elam

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

O-Line depth, CB depth, lack of pass rush, before I get carried away I want everyone here to know I am a huge Flacco fan  but Flacco needs to work on his situational awareness in the pocket sometimes he seems to not be aware of pressure or time in the pocket almost like he does not realize how long the O-Line is trying to block for him and he has been strip sacked quite a few times over the years. Some of that is on him some is on the O-Line protection and some is because the WR's cant get separation from the DB's so it's like a coverage sack but even some of those Flacco needs to be quicker and more decisive on his decision making. I do like Flacco a lot but I know Flacco is an average QB  most of the season but the switch seems to turn on in playoff games or big games. Just like this last game against the Steelers he played very good it was other aspects of the team that lead to the loss and the Ravens being removed from the playoff picture. If the team switches OC this off season I really hope they get someone who calls games to the Ravens strength and gets with Flacco and finds out what he is most comfortable with like he seems to like an up-tempo game plan and seems like Flacco thrives in that type of fast pace game.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so many people blaming joe flacco with zero explanation... 

i shouldve just titled the thread "without being a complete simpleton, what are the ravens main issues?"

That is something we should all be use to by now. The only thing I would like to see Flacco really work on is situational and pocket awareness as I mentioned in my previous post.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

On 12/30/2016 at 9:18 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

If anyone is curious, I made a fan post over at Baltimore Beatdown that examined the lack of execution by the players against the Steelers and where the failures were there.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/12/30/14124730/is-dean-pees-really-that-much-of-a-problem-steelers-edition

Nice read thank you for the post and link.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

That is something we should all be use to by now. The only thing I would like to see Flacco really work on is situational and pocket awareness as I mentioned in my previous post.

i dont think pocket awareness couldve done much for him this year, for most of the year he was getting instantly pressured and all it takes is a "show" of blitz to make him throw it away early at that point. he seemed improved after the bye as our OL improved, which isnt a coincidence. 

id like to see him step into his throws more consistently when he is able to, he missed open receivers at times this year because he was throwing during his dropback, even when he wasnt facing pressure. i also would really like to see more sense of urgency when its needed. weve seen him run a true hurry up and its a thing of beauty, but too often he needs to run a hurry up but instead he just runs a lazy no-huddle, i dont know if its slow communication from the coaches or if its just him taking his time, but that last drive against the patriots was just inexcusable, down 2 possessions with 6 minutes left and every snap was inside of 5 seconds on the play clock and burned 4 minutes. that has to be addressed. 

other than those 2 things i think joe flacco is still a hell of a qb, he had it rough this year and some people are so unwilling to excuse him for things he should really get a pass for. the OL early in the year, playing under trestman and then switching to another OC yet again, receivers dropping balls, coming off the injury. i just dont understand how people dont take these things into account

[Bruce_Almty]

The Ravens main issues: when the offense needs to perform, they don't; when the defense needs to stand up, they don't; when the game//season is on the line the coaches drop the ball. The Ravens are more than a playmaker or three away from greatness; but there's always next year.