Bad Pass Rush or Bad Scheme?

[Tru11]

16 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Maybe they are as talented. You see spurts constantly from guys like Jernigan then they disappear or they make boneheaded decisions. That's not on coaching?

Its also does say a lot when you stop them for 3 qtrs. It also says a lot when they break down in the 4th qtr. You know why? its called bad defensive calls. Getting off the accelerator. Running scared. Again did you have any confidence we could stop Pitt? Do you have any confidence in stopping anybody? Do you only hold the players accountable for 4th qtr collapses? Its really mindblowing that people want to show Marty the door for 1 call but 5 yrs of 4th qtr collapses is okay.

if they where just as talented the outcome of the duels would be 50-50.

if jernigan had 1 good play and then disappears it means he got lucky 1 time and got manhandled every other time.

also are you really suggesting that coaches are telling playing to make bonebeaded decisions?
no coach is telling their players to grab a face mask or hit the QB late unless they are running a bounty scheme orso.
those are dumb mental errors by players which is their own fault.

see this is where bmore is trying to make a point by saying people really dont know what they are seeing lol.
pees calls cover 2 for 3 quarters and it works fine and people say its good play calling
he calls the same type of play in the 4th but then it fails then all of a sudden its bad play calling.

if a play works a few times but then all of sudden fails 1 time , the issue most likely aint the play call.
if the play fails every time its called then you have a point though

 

 

 

 

 

[ravensdfan]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

ever considered that the players we have are not as talented as they players we used to had?

or a wild guess here but the players the opponents have are simply just more talented then the players we have?

its quite interesting to see people outraged that guys like OBJ and Antonio Brown beat the living crap out of any of our CBs not named jimmy smith.

there is not 1 person on this planet that can turn wright and powers into players that will be able to lock down the likes of OBJ/Brown in single man cov like they are prime time or revis.....

offenses get paid to and at some point they will figure out how to beat an defense.
it actually says a lot that the defense manages to stop offense for 3 quarters and then break once its the 4th quarter.
after 3 quarters you pretty much have used up everything you have planned and practiced.....

if our own offense actually managed to do a  something in those 3 quarters then we did not had to worry about the 4th because the game would have been out reach.

however it usually also takes our offense 3 quarters to figure out how to do a something and its the reason why we are in close games going into the 4th.

They had a 2 score lead going into the 4th quarter & then after the defense pissed that away the offense gave them a 3 pt lead yet again. The defense couldn't even manage to hold them to 3 for the tie - noooo - they gave up 7 for the win. How many punts did the defense manage in the 4th? That's right, zero. The defense gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. Sorry - this loss is squarely on the defense.

Edited December 31, 2016 by ravensdfan

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

What are you talking about? Our offense scored 27 at Pittsburgh. How many points would you be OK with?

All of them

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Not to long to read but its also just an opinion cuz apparently this writer seems to think every play was perfectly called and it was only just the players that lacked the execution which is fine but the bottomline is.........drumroll........who is teaching these players what to do in certain situations? Who holds players accountable? Who teaches the bad techniques? And how long has this been going on? Its the same ol same ol. If its lack of execution sorry I blame the coaching staff.

One time the Ravens had it where if the situation was you had to either hold on to the lead or take the lead I would go with I want to hold on to the lead cuz I got confidence we could do it. Now its the other way around.

I also like the way you avoided the Pitt question. Is it cuz you wasn't confident?

Well, the author was me, so if you want to ask me any questions on what I saw, go ahead. 

If you also read the post in which I shared the link, you'd see that I'm not absolving Pees of any blame because there are certainly things that could be done differently, but it's a never ending loop with the way people think. 

Who teaches the players to play this way? That's gonna be the positional coaches, Leslie Frazier for the secondary. Right, the same Frazier that 99% of people want coaching the defense instead of Pees. Oh, and you know what defense Frazier runs? The Tampa 2... kinda like the Ravens are using and failing with on many of these plays against the Steelers...

I was 50/50 on it because no Jimmy Smith and the Steelers had a healthy Bell and Brown. Those two are capable of making game changing plays against any defense. I certainly thought the defense could hold the lead and was very capable, but I also wasn't going to guarantee they would.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, allblackraven said:

What are you talking about? Our offense scored 27 at Pittsburgh. How many points would you be OK with?

I personally would like to see more than 10 points when you start at the 40 twice (just 25 yards gets you into Tucker field goal range) and in the red zone twice.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ravensdfan said:

They had a 2 score lead going into the 4th quarter & then after the defense pissed that away the offense gave them a 3 pt lead yet again. The defense couldn't even manage to hold them to 3 for the tie - noooo - they gave up 7 for the win. How many punts did the defense manage in the 4th? That's right, zero. The defense gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. Sorry - this loss is squarely on the defense.

I certainly think the offense shares a lot of blame for not producing touchdowns (and points, in some cases) when given some very, very favorable spots, but it certainly was very frustrating to see Bell and Brown make plays. The Ravens just don't have that caliber of play maker anywhere on their defense.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed where what made others fear us.

I also think a really underrated aspect of both of their careers was the ability to just line players up because they knew what play was coming. 

CJ Mosley is really amazing, but he just hasn't been around long enough to actually see things like Ray Lewis. Lewis could yell out the upcoming play and pretty much tell the front seven what was coming and Reed would line the secondary up correctly. Weddle has been a heaven-send for the secondary because of his knowledge of the game, but of course having no Jimmy is a huge blow.

Edited December 31, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[JoeyFlex5]

i understand what people are saying when they say "we call the same plays for 3 quarters and its brilliant, but when those same plays fail in the 4th then the coaches need to be fired". obviously players need to execute and they arent. and i have been higher on pees this season then i was last year, but i really have to wonder how it is such a consistent thing? i give pees credit where it is due, he can dial up some brilliant schemes, in particular with the front seven, and he really has a way of surprising all of us and his opponents, and when he has all the pieces his defenses are something special, BUT... how is it, that with and without those pieces, for years now with the ravens, and also as a DC with the patriots, his defenses all have had a very common trait... 4th quarter meltdowns. every season that pees has called our defense, we have often seen a too little too late effort from offenses in the 4th quarter, where our defense melts down, with or without the starters, most of the time the opposing offense just runs out of time(which i know is the whole concept technically), but theres a fair share of times where we dominate for 3 quarters, and then those same players give up the game in the 4th quarter alone. its happened for years now with 2 different teams, and it has happened far too often. im not trying to blame pees, i actually think hes fully earned another season with us, i just want to know how it happens so consistently? its easy to blame coaches, its harder to say players arent executing, but what the hell do you say when players execute for 3 quarters of every game and then meltdown the same way in the 4th quarter of a large chunk of games over a 4 year span? 

i cant blame the players solely, whether its the same play calls or not, something isnt right there and i dont know what it is. its one of the most confusing things ive seen in football how we so consistently play good defense followed by meltdowns in the 4th quarter.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I have never understood how this team can be so pathetic in zone coverage during the 4th quarter. They have to be doing something differently than other portions of the game, I just can't put my finger on what it is.

[The Raven]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i understand what people are saying when they say "we call the same plays for 3 quarters and its brilliant, but when those same plays fail in the 4th then the coaches need to be fired". obviously players need to execute and they arent. and i have been higher on pees this season then i was last year, but i really have to wonder how it is such a consistent thing? i give pees credit where it is due, he can dial up some brilliant schemes, in particular with the front seven, and he really has a way of surprising all of us and his opponents, and when he has all the pieces his defenses are something special, BUT... how is it, that with and without those pieces, for years now with the ravens, and also as a DC with the patriots, his defenses all have had a very common trait... 4th quarter meltdowns. every season that pees has called our defense, we have often seen a too little too late effort from offenses in the 4th quarter, where our defense melts down, with or without the starters, most of the time the opposing offense just runs out of time(which i know is the whole concept technically), but theres a fair share of times where we dominate for 3 quarters, and then those same players give up the game in the 4th quarter alone. its happened for years now with 2 different teams, and it has happened far too often. im not trying to blame pees, i actually think hes fully earned another season with us, i just want to know how it happens so consistently? its easy to blame coaches, its harder to say players arent executing, but what the hell do you say when players execute for 3 quarters of every game and then meltdown the same way in the 4th quarter of a large chunk of games over a 4 year span? 

i cant blame the players solely, whether its the same play calls or not, something isnt right there and i dont know what it is. its one of the most confusing things ive seen in football how we so consistently play good defense followed by meltdowns in the 4th quarter.

Pees can't scheme a pass rush if we're not winning one on one battles. I would argue that the number one reason defenses crumble in the fourth quarter is an ineffective pass rush, whether it's fatigue, inability, or whatever. If you look at the defenses that get a stop against a two minute offense, it always comes because of a sack and some hits or a turnover. 

Considering we have a pair of very old edge guys, a pair of 340 pounders, a guy who has historically had conditioning and effort problems (Jernigan), and a couple of role players, I'm pretty much certain that fatigue might be a large factor in our fourth quarter melt downs. It's a mix of that and inability.

I'm not trying to defend Pees, but I just believe that defense starts up front. If you're not getting pressure, you're going to get torn apart. 

Edited December 31, 2016 by The Raven

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Pees can't scheme a pass rush if we're not winning one on one battles. I would argue that the number one reason defenses crumble in the fourth quarter is an ineffective pass rush, whether it's fatigue, inability, or whatever. If you look at the defenses that get a stop against a two minute offense, it always comes because of a sack and some hits or a turnover. 

Considering we have a pair of very old edge guys, a pair of 340 pounders, a guy who has historically had conditioning and effort problems (Jernigan), and a couple of role players, I'm pretty much certain that fatigue might be a large factor in our fourth quarter melt downs. It's a mix of that and inability.

I'm not trying to defend Pees, but I just believe that defense starts up front. If you're not getting pressure, you're going to get torn apart. 

Exactly.  It's hard for a secondary, and especially one that has Wright out there, to hold coverage when the pass rush isn't getting there.

I think too many people believe that those putting it on the players are completely absolving Pees.  No, Pees has his issues as well.  I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that people are too short-sighted to realize that the players are the ones out there making plays.  Pees isn't doing it.  The players are the ones out there not getting to the QB.  Pees isn't doing it.  There's some odd belief that every player we have is a superstar and that Pees just isn't using them correctly.  I'll never understand the consistent bashing of coaching like if we change that, we're back to a dominant defense that no one can score on.  It's like people forget that we were the #1 defense for a good portion of the year.  Pees wasn't getting bashed (well, except for one person) when we were completely shutting down the run and even giving team fits in the passing game.

[Willbacker]

16 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, the author was me, so if you want to ask me any questions on what I saw, go ahead. 

If you also read the post in which I shared the link, you'd see that I'm not absolving Pees of any blame because there are certainly things that could be done differently, but it's a never ending loop with the way people think. 

Who teaches the players to play this way? That's gonna be the positional coaches, Leslie Frazier for the secondary. Right, the same Frazier that 99% of people want coaching the defense instead of Pees. Oh, and you know what defense Frazier runs? The Tampa 2... kinda like the Ravens are using and failing with on many of these plays against the Steelers...

I was 50/50 on it because no Jimmy Smith and the Steelers had a healthy Bell and Brown. Those two are capable of making game changing plays against any defense. I certainly thought the defense could hold the lead and was very capable, but I also wasn't going to guarantee they would.

It was a well written piece. I do know position coaches have a lot to do with things but they still are running and teaching Pees's defense. I also remember in another thread involving Frazier I made a couple posts where I was against making him HC cuz of the Tampa 2 style. I wouldn't mind switching to a 4 man front when Jernigan could be a force a 3 tech penetrator

There is one question if you had a nice overview of the plays is if the Ravens corners initiated any contact within 5 yds or were they backpedaling (no matter where they lined up) giving free cushions. Tough on tv to see whats going on. Just initiating contact imo could give the passrush an extra second.

 

 

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

Pees can't scheme a pass rush if we're not winning one on one battles. I would argue that the number one reason defenses crumble in the fourth quarter is an ineffective pass rush, whether it's fatigue, inability, or whatever. If you look at the defenses that get a stop against a two minute offense, it always comes because of a sack and some hits or a turnover. 

Considering we have a pair of very old edge guys, a pair of 340 pounders, a guy who has historically had conditioning and effort problems (Jernigan), and a couple of role players, I'm pretty much certain that fatigue might be a large factor in our fourth quarter melt downs. It's a mix of that and inability.

I'm not trying to defend Pees, but I just believe that defense starts up front. If you're not getting pressure, you're going to get torn apart. 

Williams a lot of times at the beginning of the game seems to get tremendous push collapsing the pocket but does seem to tire out later in the game And Urban to me has been a major disappointment. Our DL needs help and I wonder how much Clarence Brooks coaching was missed in this area. I'm thinking a lot. Hopefully Correa,Kaufusi and Henry can contribute more next year.

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Exactly.  It's hard for a secondary, and especially one that has Wright out there, to hold coverage when the pass rush isn't getting there.

I think too many people believe that those putting it on the players are completely absolving Pees.  No, Pees has his issues as well.  I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that people are too short-sighted to realize that the players are the ones out there making plays.  Pees isn't doing it.  The players are the ones out there not getting to the QB.  Pees isn't doing it.  There's some odd belief that every player we have is a superstar and that Pees just isn't using them correctly.  I'll never understand the consistent bashing of coaching like if we change that, we're back to a dominant defense that no one can score on.  It's like people forget that we were the #1 defense for a good portion of the year.  Pees wasn't getting bashed (well, except for one person) when we were completely shutting down the run and even giving team fits in the passing game.

Gosh I sure hope you're not lumping everybody into that statement lol. You do not give enough blame to the coaching. Yes the players play but somebodies calling the shots preparing these guys. If coaching is not important then why have them.

[Tru11]

33 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

It was a well written piece. I do know position coaches have a lot to do with things but they still are running and teaching Pees's defense. I also remember in another thread involving Frazier I made a couple posts where I was against making him HC cuz of the Tampa 2 style. I wouldn't mind switching to a 4 man front when Jernigan could be a force a 3 tech penetrator

There is one question if you had a nice overview of the plays is if the Ravens corners initiated any contact within 5 yds or were they backpedaling (no matter where they lined up) giving free cushions. Tough on tv to see whats going on. Just initiating contact imo could give the passrush an extra second.

 

 

Williams a lot of times at the beginning of the game seems to get tremendous push collapsing the pocket but does seem to tire out later in the game And Urban to me has been a major disappointment. Our DL needs help and I wonder how much Clarence Brooks coaching was missed in this area. I'm thinking a lot. Hopefully Correa,Kaufusi and Henry can contribute more next year.

Gosh I sure hope you're not lumping everybody into that statement lol. You do not give enough blame to the coaching. Yes the players play but somebodies calling the shots preparing these guys. If coaching is not important then why have them.

we have been using 4 man fronts.

Pees actually prefers 4 man fronts to generate pressure.

however if none of the 4 can beat their man you get this mess we have seen this season where you have to blitz to get any pressure.
problem is that when you blitz you leave fewer people in coverage.
when you have fewer people in coverage the area players will have to cover become larger or the will be left on an island.

here is the problem cause other then jimmy none can hold their own on an island and we dont really have players with enough speed to cover alot of space nor do they have the football IQ to make up for that lack of speed.

[rmw10]

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

 

Gosh I sure hope you're not lumping everybody into that statement lol. You do not give enough blame to the coaching. Yes the players play but somebodies calling the shots preparing these guys. If coaching is not important then why have them.

Again, no one was complaining about Pees when the guys were out there holding down the #1 defense spot.  It's no coincidence that he had a good cover CB and a semblance of a pass rush during that run.  Pees isn't absolved of all blame, but those who are blaming him in almost totality are only doing so because they don't realize the talent deficiency we have.

[PurpleCity5]

It's ludicrous for Harbaugh to be on the hot seat and not Pees, I think neither are on it but they can be on it soon, I think Pees gets way too much heat here but the 4th QTR melt downs have been happening for a while and they're not a good reflection upon him.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, Willbacker said:

It was a well written piece. I do know position coaches have a lot to do with things but they still are running and teaching Pees's defense. I also remember in another thread involving Frazier I made a couple posts where I was against making him HC cuz of the Tampa 2 style. I wouldn't mind switching to a 4 man front when Jernigan could be a force a 3 tech penetrator

There is one question if you had a nice overview of the plays is if the Ravens corners initiated any contact within 5 yds or were they backpedaling (no matter where they lined up) giving free cushions. Tough on tv to see whats going on. Just initiating contact imo could give the passrush an extra second.

The Ravens have been using a ton of the 4-3 in 4-3 under fronts (and the nickel defense is always going to feature a four man front), but you know, I was really high on the Tampa 2 before the season. I thought the Ravens had a rangy enough ILB (Mosley), a good corner to be able to get up in the face of receivers and drive to the ball (Smith), a good 3T (Jernigan), and they could have had some good pass rushers with Doom and Suggs. I also thought Kendall Fuller was a perfect fit for the Tampa 2 and thought he could have been a really good addition in the third.

From what I saw in the fourth, it seemed like Shareece was always really willing to be right there on the LoS and at least initiate some contact to try to reroute his man. With Young, when he lined up off the LoS slightly and didn't seem to initiate contact as much as he just seemed to patiently wait for the man to make his move and react based on that. So, basically, Wright wanted to dictate his man's movements and Young wanted to react to his man's. Might have to do with the fact that Young is on the quarterback's right, so if he gets beat off the bat trying to press his man, it's a lot more difficult for him to recover. 

Now, I will say, Young did line up with typical drops for some of the Cover 3 looks (about 7-8 yards off), but Wright seemed to pretty consistently be up on the line.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Sorry, but PEES HAS TO GO....No more Prevent zone, he does not have answers, we have failed more often in sustaining leads with his scheme....time to reset

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Sorry, but PEES HAS TO GO....No more Prevent zone, he does not have answers, we have failed more often in sustaining leads with his scheme....time to reset

I laugh every time I see someone say "prevent zone" because he's using the same schemes as teams like Seattle (Cover 3) and Carolina (Tampa 2), yet it works for them.

[Perfekt]

It has not worked for Carolina this year. 

[RavensRegime]

Bad pass rush & bad scheme. Players are average and the scheme is terrible

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/2/2017 at 11:53 AM, Perfekt said:

It has not worked for Carolina this year. 

That might be because Kuechly was out for a while and they started two rookie corners. 

[Desert]

On 12/27/2016 at 3:00 PM, Gtown Purple said:

Our defense played scared most of the second half.

Typical Pees' scheme, Play decent for 3 1/2 quarters, drop back and give away games in the last 5 minutes = Lost games

On 12/28/2016 at 6:57 AM, RaineV1 said:

Even thought I'm not a fan of Pees, I won't try to pin the lack of pressure on him. Jernigan is up and down, and our edge guys just could not consistently win one on one battles.

Lack of pass rush on both edges Again. Suggs and Doom. Too much cap money for Zero performance.

On 12/28/2016 at 8:21 AM, VermontRaven said:

If Harbaugh is fired, no coach is safe because a new coach probably would want to bring in his guys.

I personally think (with zero inside knowledge) Harbaugh and Pees are safe for one more year. This defense was pretty darn good this year when healthy. Find another corner and pass rusher and I think this D could be scary good.

 

Another argument for replacing our current pass rushers.

On 12/28/2016 at 10:43 AM, The Raven said:

Bad pressure. When you don't win one on ones, it doesn't matter what the call is.

WE lost a lot of battles in the trenches all year.

On 12/28/2016 at 2:00 PM, ALPHA said:

A lot of it is guys getting worn down, constant 3 and outs don't help but there are some guys who are obviously running on fumes and not being substituted. We need to work on that too (and probably won't).

Defense can't get off the field, too many big plays down the field due to NO pass rush = losses

On 12/28/2016 at 11:26 PM, Cillmatic said:

Our top pass rushers were Suggs, Dumervil and Albert. That's not gonna get you far in 2016.

Bingo.

On 12/29/2016 at 6:36 AM, ravensdfan said:

It wasn't "a drive". It was 21 pts. in the 4th quarter. Certainly some of that is lack of execution but defensive collapses in the 4th is not a new thing since Pees came here. 21 pts. They could not even hold them to a FG with only 78 seconds remaining. There is definitely fault at the feet of the coordinator when something like this is a trend and not an anomaly. Every Ravens' fan groaned when the offense scored - because everyone of them KNEW this defense wouldn't hold and they'd left Pitt too much time. What does that tell you? That this sort of defensive collapse is now an expected thing.

Five seasons of this - five. Different players have come and gone (some have moved on to have success after being called failures and taking the blame for Pees). At some point, the truth has to be admitted - the only common denominator is Pees.

Yes I agree, Bad coordinator with old slow edge rushers = lost games

On 12/29/2016 at 4:32 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I said this prior in this thread, but at one point on Sunday, the Ravens threw out Jernigan, Suggs, Judon, and maybe Doom, but definitely the first three.

If I said those three were out on the same down, you'd think sack, right?

Nope, instead it was a long pass play because Ben had five plus seconds to move around. But hey, at least they got the quarterback hit.

NO Pass Rush = Bad Qb's looking like Tom Brady.

On 12/29/2016 at 4:40 PM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Well in part the Steelers have a good oline. But I don't trust Suggs as a pass rusher. Most of his sacks have been effort sacks this season. He's been on the decline. Judon needs to develop more but has a ton of promise. Loads more than Smith showed last year. Jernigan is a very good player but isn't elite. I've always said he's a good tertiary guy.

 

if you ask me. We need Henry and Kaufausi to come out big next year to help out the interior pressure. Don't be surprised if we draft another Dlinemen in addition to an edge rusher

Suggs needs to go, Iv'e said this all year, Too old and slow.

[Brandon Grist]

Our Problem Is More Of A Scheme Fit We Need To Have A Base 4-3 Defense A 3-4 Scheme Isn't The Solution Especially In Our Sun Packages When We Have Two Down Lineman How Can We Expect 2 Lineman To Get To A Quarterback When He Has Five We Simply Get Out Muscled

[redrum52]

Ray Horton is available...

[law215]

Both scheme and talent are issues.

The reality is the Ravens are probably a couple of seasons away from being a consistent playoff contender.

1.       They have limited Cap space to out bid teams for top talent. In fact they are more likely to lose their free agents Williams, Wagner, Juice, than to add a big name free agents. They have a number of players with huge cap numbers

a.       Wallace $8M cap hit

b.      Pitta $7.7 cap hit

c.       Wright $5M cap hit

d.      Webb $7.5M cap hit

e.      Doom $8M cap hit

 

You look at these cap numbers and ask: How many pro bowl players in that group? How many are game changers? Who will they part with to create cap space.

 

The result is even less talent on an average team. On top of that you bring back the same coaches and coordinators that did not make use of the dollars you spent to have a winning season.

 

Those numbers look like a need to rebuild.

 

If OZ continues to build through vets cuts and cheap free agents, then the Ravens might make a playoff appearance here or there, but they are not contenders.

 

2.       Other teams are getting better. Raiders and KC look like perennial playoff teams. Young, talented, and have enough Cap space to add players. Broncos are a QB away which is where Romo is likely to land.

Inside the division: Steelers - Ben, Brown , and Bell are going no where soon

                                     Bengals – beat us with backups and AJ Green, Eifort will return

 

3.       What are the positives?

a.       Players

                                                               i.      Mosley and Orr are a very good ILB group

                                                             ii.      Lewis and Stanley are pieces to build the o-line

                                                            iii.      Dixon and Perriman have flashed

b.      Ifs

                                                               i.      If Flacco can approach the player he was in 2011,2012

                                                             ii.      If Perriman can be a playmaker

                                                            iii.      If J. Smith can stay healthy

                                                           iv.      If OZ can stack good drafts and work magic in the offseason

                                                             v.      If Judon can grow

                                                           vi.      If Correa can be at least a effective situational pass rusher

 

The Ravens can compete

[The Raven]

6 hours ago, Brandon Grist said:

Our Problem Is More Of A Scheme Fit We Need To Have A Base 4-3 Defense A 3-4 Scheme Isn't The Solution Especially In Our Sun Packages When We Have Two Down Lineman How Can We Expect 2 Lineman To Get To A Quarterback When He Has Five We Simply Get Out Muscled

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language and of how defensive formations work.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language and of how defensive formations work.

I think his favorite number is 22.  What do you think, @arnie_uk?

[rmw10]

25 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think his favorite number is 22.  What do you think, @arnie_uk?

I'll cosign this. 

[allblackraven]

I wish I could still follow this thread

[jdynamite]

First I gotta say I'm not a fan of Pees mostly because every year we've seen this team lose games by blowing 4th quarter leads.   

The defense did improve a lot  statistically this season, and I was happy to see more turnovers as well, but a Top 10 defense should be able to make some of those critical game winning stops. 

Pass rush wise, we just need guys that occasionally beat their man one-on-one, its good to see different blitzes but ultimately guys have to win some battles in the trenches.  Early in the season Jernigan was killing it, getting QB hits, pressures and sacks and didn't see as much from him down the stretch as far as impact plays.  Suggs was playing with one arm all year and still was the most effective pass rusher, still getting double teams ( which only strengthens the argument that the other guys opposite of him need to win their battle occasionally. ) 

Dumervil obviously was never himself this season with the injury and explosiveness. 

Judon- shows potential, but he wasn't played enough early on during the season. 

Z.Smith - I don't know if he lacks the power to beat blocks or if it's all poor technique but he seemed to regress. 

It still irritates me that McClellan got so much PT defensively and Correa a 2nd round pick barely saw the field. If McClellan was an edge setting like JJ or Upshaw I could understand.