[News] What Are The Ravens Playing For In Cincinnati?

[The Mom Gene]

12 minutes ago, sami said:

You really need to look into punctuation to start with. Orr was a monster, leading tackler if I remember right. People keep harping on our bad picks in the draft but if you compare our drafts with all the other teams we have done pretty dare good.

Sami....  You're right.  Even Gruden talked about Orr and his monster season.  Especially for being an undrafted guy we picked up.  He was Gruden's Grinder in the game against the Patriots.  People who are condemning our drafts aren't looking too far.  MOST other teams have done far worst.  Many have their "One Hit Wonder" and some of the others are as much a bust or more.

[billiejean]

Is Flacco willing to sacrifice a chunk his family time and put the work in? Is he willing to get out there during the off season and work hard and go in at 6am during the season for film study? I am fine with his on field demeanor but not ok with his performance. The most concerning instance was at Eagle pressor when he said he didn't see the defender on that late int. IT WAS THE MIDDLE LINEBACKER!. He was lined up directly across from Flacco when the play started and moved 3 feet to the left. And Flacco didn't see him? That's scary. I swear he and Eli Manning are one in the same.

I am not make excuses for Flacco I am just pointing out that Rothlisburger made the exact same mistake when CJ intercepted him.

[billiejean]

  3 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

I have been involved in "organized football" for much longer than 5 years.  One thing I can tell you there was a drastic improvement in Elam since Weddle has been here.  As far as the salaries go...  Ben Watson was injured in the final game of preseason that was unavoidable...  He'll be back next year.  Hester was a bust; yes, but that's the only one that I can say they may regret.  To now have West and Dixon, keeping Forsett for part of the year was NOT a bad idea at all considering they knew that it would be a while before we got Dixon back.  Injuries to Watson and Dixon were unavoidable.  Bisciotti is a successful businessman, and I'm sure with being in the business for all these years, he understands all of that.  Come on man.

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000756193/Tom-Brady-dials-up-79-yard-TD-pass-to-Chris-Hogan
I don't think Watson is a lock to be on the team next year. I don't think we would have even considered signing him when we did if we thought Pitta was coming back. We already have a 30 year old TE on the team, and he is five years younger than Watson. Pitta is superior to Watson in every aspect of the game and with Waller, Gilmore, and M Williams coming back to go along with Dennis, Watson is just a spare.

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, billiejean said:

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000756193/Tom-Brady-dials-up-79-yard-TD-pass-to-Chris-Hogan
I don't think Watson is a lock to be on the team next year. I don't think we would have even considered signing him when we did if we thought Pitta was coming back. We already have a 30 year old TE on the team, and he is five years younger than Watson. Pitta is superior to Watson in every aspect of the game and with Waller, Gilmore, and M Williams coming back to go along with Dennis, Watson is just a spare.

Don't be a jerk billiejean....  no, not providing orange slices.

The limited amount of play time he had, he performed very well.  You bring up one play...  Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here, took him under his wing and helped him out.

[The Mom Gene]

12 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/6/17/8800799/safety-matt-elam-looking-good

[billiejean]

53 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

1 hour ago, billiejean said:

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/6/17/8800799/safety-matt-elam-looking-good

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. That said, I just found out what the letters smh stand for so it is entirely possible that I am out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

Edited December 27, 2016 by billiejean

[ravensnj]

If the draft were today, we would hold the17 pick in the draft with a record of 8-7.  So far, 3 teams are tied with  8-7 records, while Washington is 8-6-1. Buffalo, Saints and Bills are  tied at 7-8  (13 ,14 &15).

 Get the picture? We need to lose to get a highly regarded prospect. If we win, we would be 21 at worst.

[ravensnj]

8 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will give admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. Maybe I a just out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

Yes! Brady saw slooooow Elam lined up across from Hogan and must have done everything to hold back the laughter, as he uncorked the ball. He's on the team because we keep striking out and reaching for safeties. Wideouts are the other swing and miss candidates. Maybe, the Scouting department will pick up a draft book this year.

[ravensnj]

15 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will give admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. Maybe I a just out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

Also, Hogan blew by him so fast, that Elam stumbled over his own feet trying to turn around.

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, billiejean said:

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. That said, I just found out what the letters smh stand for so it is entirely possible that I am out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

 

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Yes! Brady saw slooooow Elam lined up across from Hogan and must have done everything to hold back the laughter, as he uncorked the ball. He's on the team because we keep striking out and reaching for safeties. Wideouts are the other swing and miss candidates. Maybe, the Scouting department will pick up a draft book this year.

 

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Also, Hogan blew by him so fast, that Elam stumbled over his own feet trying to turn around.

I guess everyone just wants to forget that Weddle stepped up to the podium and told the world that HE blew the coverage.  Weddle was supposed to cover Hogan.  It wasn't on Elam.  But sure, keep blaming him.

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

 

I guess everyone just wants to forget that Weddle stepped up to the podium and told the world that HE blew the coverage.  Weddle was supposed to cover Hogan.  It wasn't on Elam.  But sure, keep blaming him.

Weddle could never tackle Hogan in the open field, so it's a pretty moot point. Even when Wentz and A. Brown were right in his face, he couldn't stop them from scoring.

[RavensRegime]

Our season ended in Pittsburgh. The game against the bengals is more like a preseason game. Let the backups ball out. Sit the starters.

[dirtybird66]

hopefully playing for a loss,this game means nothing,a better draft slot means more.

[Crusader]

It does not matter for draft picks, just look at the other picks Ozzie has selected.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  On 12/27/2016 at 1:53 PM, The Mom Gene said:

  On 12/27/2016 at 10:30 AM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

I have been involved in "organized football" for much longer than 5 years.  One thing I can tell you there was a drastic improvement in Elam since Weddle has been here.  As far as the salaries go...  Ben Watson was injured in the final game of preseason that was unavoidable...  He'll be back next year.  Hester was a bust; yes, but that's the only one that I can say they may regret.  To now have West and Dixon, keeping Forsett for part of the year was NOT a bad idea at all considering they knew that it would be a while before we got Dixon back.  Injuries to Watson and Dixon were unavoidable.  Bisciotti is a successful businessman, and I'm sure with being in the business for all these years, he understands all of that.  Come on man.

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000756193/Tom-Brady-dials-up-79-yard-TD-pass-to-Chris-Hogan
I don't think Watson is a lock to be on the team next year. I don't think we would have even considered signing him when we did if we thought Pitta was coming back. We already have a 30 year old TE on the team, and he is five years younger than Watson. Pitta is superior to Watson in every aspect of the game and with Waller, Gilmore, and M Williams coming back to go along with Dennis, Watson is just a spare.

If you knew as much about football as you claim, you would know that in Cover 3, Elam is responsible for the Smash/Dig route the outside WR is running (or for the RB in the flat) while the Deep Safety and CB are responsible for the Seam WR (Hogan). Just because a DB lines up over a guy does not mean that's "his man". Elam played that exactly like he should have - which is why Harbs & Weddle said so - but you must know better than all of them.

Watson will be back until Gilmore proves he can stay healthy. Waller has bricks for hands so you can't rely on him. Basically, out of that group other than Watson, Pitta is the only true pass-catcher. Maxx is the wild card - if he comes back and lives up to his talent, then the Ravens may let Watson walk for the salary cap space.

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

If you knew as much about football as you claim, you would know that in Cover 3, Elam is responsible for the Smash/Dig route the outside WR is running (or for the RB in the flat) while the Deep Safety and CB are responsible for the Seam WR (Hogan). Just because a DB lines up over a guy does not mean that's "his man". Elam played that exactly like he should have - which is why Harbs & Weddle said so - but you must know better than all of them.

Watson will be back until Gilmore proves he can stay healthy. Waller has bricks for hands so you can't rely on him. Basically, out of that group other than Watson, Pitta is the only true pass-catcher. Maxx is the wild card - if he comes back and lives up to his talent, then the Ravens may let Watson walk for the salary cap space.

I never said I knew more than Harbs or Weddle.  That would have been someone else.  I was actually defending Elam in this case.  It was another member that was trashing his coverage on that play.  But that is water under the bridge at this point.

[billiejean]

  On 12/27/2016 at 3:16 PM, billiejean said:

  On 12/27/2016 at 1:53 PM, The Mom Gene said:

  On 12/27/2016 at 10:30 AM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

I have been involved in "organized football" for much longer than 5 years.  One thing I can tell you there was a drastic improvement in Elam since Weddle has been here.  As far as the salaries go...  Ben Watson was injured in the final game of preseason that was unavoidable...  He'll be back next year.  Hester was a bust; yes, but that's the only one that I can say they may regret.  To now have West and Dixon, keeping Forsett for part of the year was NOT a bad idea at all considering they knew that it would be a while before we got Dixon back.  Injuries to Watson and Dixon were unavoidable.  Bisciotti is a successful businessman, and I'm sure with being in the business for all these years, he understands all of that.  Come on man.

Over 5 years, as a player or coach? Or were you the one responsible for providing the kids with orange slices at half time? Elam barely got on the field this year and when he did he looked awful. The guy is terrible in coverage and can't seem to make tackles consistently. Do you remember this?
.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000756193/Tom-Brady-dials-up-79-yard-TD-pass-to-Chris-Hogan
I don't think Watson is a lock to be on the team next year. I don't think we would have even considered signing him when we did if we thought Pitta was coming back. We already have a 30 year old TE on the team, and he is five years younger than Watson. Pitta is superior to Watson in every aspect of the game and with Waller, Gilmore, and M Williams coming back to go along with Dennis, Watson is just a spare.

If you knew as much about football as you claim, you would know that in Cover 3, Elam is responsible for the Smash/Dig route the outside WR is running (or for the RB in the flat) while the Deep Safety and CB are responsible for the Seam WR (Hogan). Just because a DB lines up over a guy does not mean that's "his man". Elam played that exactly like he should have - which is why Harbs & Weddle said so - but you must know better than all of them.

Watson will be back until Gilmore proves he can stay healthy. Waller has bricks for hands so you can't rely on him. Basically, out of that group other than Watson, Pitta is the only true pass-catcher. Maxx is the wild card - if he comes back and lives up to his talent, then the Ravens may let Watson walk for the salary cap space.

What in the world are you going on about. I never said anything about knowing so much about football. The comments in the beginning are in response to some one who claimed to have been "involved with organized football" (whatever that means) for more than 5 years. The link that I grabbed was in response to this link that she posted

'http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/6/17/8800799/safety-matt-elam-looking-good

So yea it wasn't the best footage that I could have picked, but I am not going to scour the internet for videos of Matt Elam sucking. I took the first one in the google search and didn't think much of it. The other member stated that Elam has been doing well since Weddle got here. There are multiple issues that are problematic with that statement. And I stand by the claim that Elam is not a good safety. But if you choose to think Elams body of work says he is in fact a good safety, than you are certainly entitled to that opinion. Sure, Waller isn't a natural hands catcher, but I wouldn't say he has brick hands. He dropped two passes this season. I can't find any video of it but I am pretty sure that drop in Pittsburg had more to do with the safety hitting the ball than Wallers bad hands. But either way, I think it would be a mistake to cut one our young TE in order to make way for Watson. Although I am resigned to the fact that, that will more than likely happen. I don't think he has any unique qualities that separate him from the rest of the group.

[The Mom Gene]

3 hours ago, billiejean said:

What in the world are you going on about. I never said anything about knowing so much about football. The comments in the beginning are in response to some one who claimed to have been "involved with organized football" (whatever that means) for more than 5 years. The link that I grabbed was in response to this link that she posted

'http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/6/17/8800799/safety-matt-elam-looking-good

So yea it wasn't the best footage that I could have picked, but I am not going to scour the internet for videos of Matt Elam sucking. I took the first one in the google search and didn't think much of it. The other member stated that Elam has been doing well since Weddle got here. There are multiple issues that are problematic with that statement. And I stand by the claim that Elam is not a good safety. But if you choose to think Elams body of work says he is in fact a good safety, than you are certainly entitled to that opinion. Sure, Waller isn't a natural hands catcher, but I wouldn't say he has brick hands. He dropped two passes this season. I can't find any video of it but I am pretty sure that drop in Pittsburg had more to do with the safety hitting the ball than Wallers bad hands. But either way, I think it would be a mistake to cut one our young TE in order to make way for Watson. Although I am resigned to the fact that, that will more than likely happen. I don't think he has any unique qualities that separate him from the rest of the group.

I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU

 

[Moderator 3]

I'd like to see our team take the field and play loose for once.  Just go all out and play some backyard football.  I know it's a job for the players and coaches, but it is supposed to be fun for the fans.