[News] What Are The Ravens Playing For In Cincinnati?

[Gorgee3]

They're playing to make their draft pick lower  because the stat is forever 

[TheConquerorWorm]

3 hours ago, law215 said:

I know the truth hurts. Tell me how many sacks Correa has? Spence or Ngakoue would be more useful to go along with a Suggs or Doom. The fact your 5th rounder is more productive proves the 2nd round was a miss.

Why ask Boldin to take a pay cut in the first place? Then pays Smith and Webb top money to get burned and be injured on the sideline. Pay Wright who is a liability

You are actually defending Castillo. What O-line have you been watching for the last few years. Most penalized, near the bottom of league in rushing. Castillo is best o-line coach like Billick was an offensive guru. It is not about reps but results.

 

Truth? All you are doing is making stuff up.

Webb signed his deal in 2012 (Boldin was still here) & Jimmy signed his deal last year - 3 years after Boldin left. So the Ravens didn't cut Boldin to sign Webb & Smith like YOU claim.

And if you knew anything about football, you would know that a O-line position coach has NOTHING to do with what happens in the actual game on game day or that an o-line coach has nothing to do with our rushing stats. Again, I'll take the word of experienced experts in the field over a nobody on the message board.  Castillo has had to work with crap (Hurst, Shipley, etc) and still put together a decent o-line. KO - ever hear of him? Who did he learn from? The Ravens started 2 rookies on the left side of their o-line this year - that's unheard of. And they played great. But all you want to do is regurgitate ignorant, uninformed monkey poo.

[law215]

  7 hours ago, law215 said:

I know the truth hurts. Tell me how many sacks Correa has? Spence or Ngakoue would be more useful to go along with a Suggs or Doom. The fact your 5th rounder is more productive proves the 2nd round was a miss.

Why ask Boldin to take a pay cut in the first place? Then pays Smith and Webb top money to get burned and be injured on the sideline. Pay Wright who is a liability

You are actually defending Castillo. What O-line have you been watching for the last few years. Most penalized, near the bottom of league in rushing. Castillo is best o-line coach like Billick was an offensive guru. It is not about reps but results.

 

Truth? All you are doing is making stuff up.

Webb signed his deal in 2012 (Boldin was still here) & Jimmy signed his deal last year - 3 years after Boldin left. So the Ravens didn't cut Boldin to sign Webb & Smith like YOU claim.

And if you knew anything about football, you would know that a O-line position coach has NOTHING to do with what happens in the actual game on game day or that an o-line coach has nothing to do with our rushing stats. Again, I'll take the word of experienced experts in the field over a nobody on the message board.  Castillo has had to work with crap (Hurst, Shipley, etc) and still put together a decent o-line. KO - ever hear of him? Who did he learn from? The Ravens started 2 rookies on the left side of their o-line this year - that's unheard of. And they played great. But all you want to do is regurgitate ignorant, uninformed monkey poo.

If OZ can admit his recent drafts were below standard, why are you defending it. A position coach has nothing to do with what happen on the field? And I know nothing about football. lol

One statement Castillo has to work with crap then the next you credit him with drafting KO. What a joke.

It's not about when but who he chooses to pay or be willing to let go.

[The Greek]

would rather have the better draft slot to grab a cb/pass rusher so i hope we lose. start perriman and chris brown in this one and give dixon the rock 25-30 times. start judon and all the young guys and lets see how they respond.

[The Greek]

restructuring older players contracts to free up $$ has burned us and kept us from keeping some of the younger guys here that were on the rise.

[DENNYK]

Losing the last game to be better situated in the draft makes more sense than winning a meaningless game. Playing for pride and for the Raven's Nation does little to improve the team and it's future needs. At this point the season is over.
Time to focus on cuts, free agency and team draft needs. The one thing that we can count is that there will be some coaching changes after such a disappointing season.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Coaches need to go Matt Elam needs to go we need bigger inside linebacker than orr Williams is overrated PLEASE do not overpay this guy This D never was top 5 I don't care what people say I know what I see Our coaches cost us games every year we are always outcoached Missed play offs 3 out of last 4 years not Drafting very well weddel over rated Hes afraid to Tackle we need at least 2 quality corners to go with young who does look good

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

would rather have the better draft slot to grab a cb/pass rusher so i hope we lose. start perriman and chris brown in this one and give dixon the rock 25-30 times. start judon and all the young guys and lets see how they respond.

I totally Agree

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Chicken Little Baltimore fans. Still rearin' their loser heads: "Fire Harbs. Joe blows. Can't watch this team anymore. Yadda yadda yadda."

Sack up, son. You look pathetic.

Harbs should be Fired He is horrible clock management ,Horrible game time adjustments ,doesn't use personnel correct ,does not know when to run or when to pass,when I sit on my couch and call the plays im pretty sure other coaches also know and last but not least Missed Playoffs 3 out of Last 4 Years where else can you work and Stink 3 out of 4 years and still have a Job

[Zeus]

What's reason for winning the last game if we can't make the playoffs? Clueless Harbs once again..... best to lose - and we know how to do that well...

[Rav'n Maniac]

This would be the perfect train of thought if this game had any real meaning to it. Win this one and we will be the best 9-7 team in the AFC North. Gives me goosebumps just to say it. lol

[stixfix69]

well lets use our first 4 picks on CB's.....Young is one starter, J,Smith can't stay healthy and our backups are you know what......

[HoldingCall]

Of course, winning this game is important. I can't image a true athlete thinking any other way. In fact, I can see the team taking it out on the Bengals and beating them badly.

[Raven1995]

  10 hours ago, Cuse92 said:

Chicken Little Baltimore fans. Still rearin' their loser heads: "Fire Harbs. Joe blows. Can't watch this team anymore. Yadda yadda yadda."

Sack up, son. You look pathetic.

Harbs should be Fired He is horrible clock management ,Horrible game time adjustments ,doesn't use personnel correct ,does not know when to run or when to pass,when I sit on my couch and call the plays im pretty sure other coaches also know and last but not least Missed Playoffs 3 out of Last 4 Years where else can you work and Stink 3 out of 4 years and still have a Job

8 and 8, 10 and 6 and maybe 9 and 7 isn't stinking up the joint. If somebody said last year that we would go 6 and 2 at home and maybe 5 and 1 in the AFC North this year, I would of been Psyched. The 4 game losing streak in October was too much to overcome.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  48 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  10 hours ago, Cuse92 said:

Chicken Little Baltimore fans. Still rearin' their loser heads: "Fire Harbs. Joe blows. Can't watch this team anymore. Yadda yadda yadda."

Sack up, son. You look pathetic.

Harbs should be Fired He is horrible clock management ,Horrible game time adjustments ,doesn't use personnel correct ,does not know when to run or when to pass,when I sit on my couch and call the plays im pretty sure other coaches also know and last but not least Missed Playoffs 3 out of Last 4 Years where else can you work and Stink 3 out of 4 years and still have a Job

8 and 8, 10 and 6 and maybe 9 and 7 isn't stinking up the joint. If somebody said last year that we would go 6 and 2 at home and maybe 5 and 1 in the AFC North this year, I would of been Psyched. The 4 game losing streak in October was too much to overcome.

And bad coaching was the main reason why we lost 4 in a row Its called run the Damn ball

[The Greek]

  14 minutes ago, Raven1995 said:

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  10 hours ago, Cuse92 said:

Chicken Little Baltimore fans. Still rearin' their loser heads: "Fire Harbs. Joe blows. Can't watch this team anymore. Yadda yadda yadda."

Sack up, son. You look pathetic.

Harbs should be Fired He is horrible clock management ,Horrible game time adjustments ,doesn't use personnel correct ,does not know when to run or when to pass,when I sit on my couch and call the plays im pretty sure other coaches also know and last but not least Missed Playoffs 3 out of Last 4 Years where else can you work and Stink 3 out of 4 years and still have a Job

8 and 8, 10 and 6 and maybe 9 and 7 isn't stinking up the joint. If somebody said last year that we would go 6 and 2 at home and maybe 5 and 1 in the AFC North this year, I would of been Psyched. The 4 game losing streak in October was too much to overcome.

And bad coaching was the main reason why we lost 4 in a row Its called run the Damn ball

also going for it on 4th when in fg range cost us

[The Greek]

well lets use our first 4 picks on CB's.....Young is one starter, J,Smith can't stay healthy and our backups are you know what......

i do not want tavon covering tall/big physical receivers. we need another tall cb. tavon is perfect for the smaller guys

[lowcountryraven]

Our whole season came down to making a tackle. Powers, Weddle, and Mosely, come on man! AB is 180lbs soaking wet and you guys can't knock him to the ground for the win! That pass was a mistake by the Steelers not passing into the end zone and now all the talking heads are celebrating that mistake play. Our guys make the tackle, every talking head is saying what a bone head play call that was. Very disappointing!

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Coaches need to go Matt Elam needs to go we need bigger inside linebacker than orr Williams is overrated PLEASE do not overpay this guy This D never was top 5 I don't care what people say I know what I see Our coaches cost us games every year we are always outcoached Missed play offs 3 out of last 4 years not Drafting very well weddel over rated Hes afraid to Tackle we need at least 2 quality corners to go with young who does look good

You're kidding right???  Either that or you're trolling.  Come on man.  Weddle was a bright spot, helped Elam immensely.  Not drafting well????  This year was probably one of the best drafts we have had in YEARS....  Orr was an undrafted player having one hell of a season.  Tavon Young is going to be an awesome Cornerback; already playing at a great level...  Stanley made his value evident this year protecting Joe...  It's nutz in here.  Our front 7 on the defensive line was great.

[TorryGundy]

easy, you play to win the game! They should not try anything other that win. No rest players, play young players, none of that. That's for pre season. Win against Cincy because that's what you are paid to do. I don't care about draft position.

[KidNme]

There may be something said for playing 3rd stringers against Cincy. With the CBA, our guys aren't getting the practice time they used to in the old days. I say put the team out there that you expect to start with next year and start evaluating for the draft and FA's. That's not saying that we still don't want to win this one but says we want to win more of them next year too! No playoffs and certainly no Super bowl for us this year so get a head start on next season, there's a lot of work to do!

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Coaches need to go Matt Elam needs to go we need bigger inside linebacker than orr Williams is overrated PLEASE do not overpay this guy This D never was top 5 I don't care what people say I know what I see Our coaches cost us games every year we are always outcoached Missed play offs 3 out of last 4 years not Drafting very well weddel over rated Hes afraid to Tackle we need at least 2 quality corners to go with young who does look good

You're kidding right???  Either that or you're trolling.  Come on man.  Weddle was a bright spot, helped Elam immensely.  Not drafting well????  This year was probably one of the best drafts we have had in YEARS....  Orr was an undrafted player having one hell of a season.  Tavon Young is going to be an awesome Cornerback; already playing at a great level...  Stanley made his value evident this year protecting Joe...  It's nutz in here.  Our front 7 on the defensive line was great.

I an not trolling but having played organized football for 5 years I Know what im talkingabout lets look at your points first I agree Stanley ,young,and the RB are good picks but to many bad picks and free agents to name if weddle helped elam tell me how the little time he played he missed tackles again and blew that coverage against the pats for a td And yes weddle took all the blame for it but elam had the coverage and weddle had deep help weddle does not like to tackle example wentz going in for td weddel stayed at the goal line and waited for him and tried to him on his side. our front 7 was good not great gave up avg 5 yards per carry over last 4 games and no pressure on QB I also saw Williams man handled several times and take plays off I Love the Ravens but these are Facts

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  44 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  47 minutes ago, Raven1995 said:

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  11 hours ago, Cuse92 said:

Chicken Little Baltimore fans. Still rearin' their loser heads: "Fire Harbs. Joe blows. Can't watch this team anymore. Yadda yadda yadda."

Sack up, son. You look pathetic.

Harbs should be Fired He is horrible clock management ,Horrible game time adjustments ,doesn't use personnel correct ,does not know when to run or when to pass,when I sit on my couch and call the plays im pretty sure other coaches also know and last but not least Missed Playoffs 3 out of Last 4 Years where else can you work and Stink 3 out of 4 years and still have a Job

8 and 8, 10 and 6 and maybe 9 and 7 isn't stinking up the joint. If somebody said last year that we would go 6 and 2 at home and maybe 5 and 1 in the AFC North this year, I would of been Psyched. The 4 game losing streak in October was too much to overcome.

And bad coaching was the main reason why we lost 4 in a row Its called run the Damn ball

also going for it on 4th when in fg range cost us

Amen Brother I wish I could say our coaches have done a good job but I can't it's just not the case

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  53 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

  2 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Coaches need to go Matt Elam needs to go we need bigger inside linebacker than orr Williams is overrated PLEASE do not overpay this guy This D never was top 5 I don't care what people say I know what I see Our coaches cost us games every year we are always outcoached Missed play offs 3 out of last 4 years not Drafting very well weddel over rated Hes afraid to Tackle we need at least 2 quality corners to go with young who does look good

You're kidding right???  Either that or you're trolling.  Come on man.  Weddle was a bright spot, helped Elam immensely.  Not drafting well????  This year was probably one of the best drafts we have had in YEARS....  Orr was an undrafted player having one hell of a season.  Tavon Young is going to be an awesome Cornerback; already playing at a great level...  Stanley made his value evident this year protecting Joe...  It's nutz in here.  Our front 7 on the defensive line was great.

I an not trolling but having played organized football for 5 years I Know what im talkingabout lets look at your points first I agree Stanley ,young,and the RB are good picks but to many bad picks and free agents to name if weddle helped elam tell me how the little time he played he missed tackles again and blew that coverage against the pats for a td And yes weddle took all the blame for it but elam had the coverage and weddle had deep help weddle does not like to tackle example wentz going in for td weddel stayed at the goal line and waited for him and tried to him on his side. our front 7 was good not great gave up avg 5 yards per carry over last 4 games and no pressure on QB I also saw Williams man handled several times and take plays off I Love the Ravens but these are Facts

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

[Edug27]

15 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

Agree with a lot but don't think you can say Oz blew up the SB team. As i recall a lot of people retired, or left for big money.

Ray retired.

Reed proved to be done.

Ellerbe, Kruger and Cary all priced themselves out of Baltimore.

Pollard and Boldin were both questionable releases looking back at it. But Pollard seemed to clash with Harbs, and with Boldin not taking a paycut, Ozzie put too much trust in Pitta and Torrey. I didn't hate either move at the time. But hindsight is 20/20.

Adding Huff was a disaster. We did manage to sign Doom who had a good year or 2 before hitting a wall. And Daryl Smith was really solid. You couldn't have predicted what happened to Ray Rice. Torrey eventually priced himself out of Baltimore as well. Pitta got hurt. Jimmy can't stay healthy. We never added good young corners since the super bowl. We thought we had something in Melvin, until Brady showed otherwise. Forsett had a big year thanks to Kubiak. Speaking of him, Kubiak added a great dimension to our offense. But of course that leads to him getting the Broncos job. We did draft 2 time Pro Bowler CJ Mosley. Brandon Williams is a monster. 

Basically... there is a lot to the story of the Ravens since our super bowl. But it's been 4 years since then, and it's been 3 missed playoff apparences. If there were ever a time for bold changes to be made, it would be this summer. Clean up the roster. Players like Doom, Wright and Webb all need to be upgraded for faster younger talent. Perriman needs to spend all summer on the Juggs and be ready to be the top WR we drafted him to be. Maxx Williams needs to step up. Dixon needs to be ready to be the feature back. Spend money on cleaning up the offensive line. Draft pass rushers..... 

... and last but not least... bring in some coordinators with new ideas to shake things up a bit. Pees and Marty have both run their course. A change doesn't mean you've been awful... it means we have peaked as a team with you. And it's time to try something new.

[stixfix69]

This is a proud organization, because we are out of the playoffs, the culture is to go out to win every game you play,. we are not the Browns.....Finish strong, and go into the off-season knowing you had a winning record....People need to realize this was not a failure of a season, we weren't supposed to be in it in December with the turn-over in players we had, great season and this years rookie class will be so much better next year......

[Drew P]

Dixon is legit if the line can stay healthy that sets up the deep ball.

[CQ1]

  17 hours ago, law215 said:

I want to put this out there for all the Harbs and “In OZ We Trust” blind loyalist.

1. Pass rusher was, according to Steve, the biggest need.
a. However, they pass on Noah Spence, home grown kid Yannick Ngakoue, and don’t make a move for Irvin.
b. Meanwhile Correa is drafted in the 2nd round, but can’t get on the field.
c. He relys on guys north of 33 years old to run down QBs in the 4th quarter. Not smart.
2. The secondary has needed improvement for the last 4 years. What have they done?
a. Cut Pollard who was an intimidator and knock out artist. Not every safety is the next Reed. You still need guys that can force fumbles and tackle.
b. Offer Wright to a contract. Are you kidding me? The guy is a bum.
c. Release Stewart, who is ballin for the Broncos.
d. Cut Brooks who was their most physical safety. These pass weeks you can see Weddle is too small to get down guys. How can’t he knock down boney Antonio Brown?
e. Waiting until the 4th round to draft a CB
f. How is Elam on the team? Too arrogant to concede that his 1st round pick is terrible
3. Poor use of Cap and Talent
a. Pass few seasons drafted Gilmore, Williams, Boyle. Already have Pitta, converted Waller and Brown to TE. Yet spend money on 35 year Ben Watson. Not a long-term plan. Sometimes I wonder if He and Harbs are on the same page.
b. The Devin Hester experiment was a disaster
c. Draft Perriman in the 1st round because he has speed. How many deep balls was he thrown? Slants, Screens, end arounds. If Campanero can get 39 yards, maybe Perriman with 4.3 speed get a TD. How many times he is on the field? I get that he is not consistent, but he will never be without opportunities. Can’t have a 1st rounder not part of the weekly game plan.
d. I know Marty is the OC, but Harbs is the HEAD coach. Shouldn’t he walk over to Marty and say “Run the Ball!”
e. I can go on all day about drafting receivers that can’t catch.
4. Identity Crisis, devaluing players
a. I have never seen a GM that wins a super bowl then immediately blows up a team the way OZ does. Cut Dilfer for Gerbac. Didn’t learn from that and then cut Boldin, who is really a big part of Flacco playoff success. SMH
b. Ravens use to be a power running team. Harbs hires his buddy Castillo, and the Offense line and run game have been terrible since. Flacco is an average QB (9 years of stats proves it), yet they lean on him instead of what has been successful for Ravens championship teams, the run game and paly action.

Great post and I agree.

Nice, Zeus!....... I am unretired :)
I am ALSO tired of playing NOT to lose. We act like kicking field goals is the way it was in 2000. That is not the case. Field goals are fine and dandy when you have a suffocating defense and when you can figure the games to be low scoring. The way rules and the league caters to the passing offenses, those days are mostly gone. Field goals are only going to take you so far. How many games have we seen go down to the LAST DRIVE either way. We have been stinking in the red-zone for how long? We cant effectively or don't try to get touchdowns. Something's wrong- and I am soooo tired of it. The Pittsburgh drive / and loss should have never gotten to the final drive- scenario to begin with. I'm soooo tired of playing NOT to lose, as I am certain that many of you feel the same way. For many of you- enjoy your continued weekly dose of mediocrity.

[sami]

  3 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  4 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  5 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Coaches need to go Matt Elam needs to go we need bigger inside linebacker than orr Williams is overrated PLEASE do not overpay this guy This D never was top 5 I don't care what people say I know what I see Our coaches cost us games every year we are always outcoached Missed play offs 3 out of last 4 years not Drafting very well weddel over rated Hes afraid to Tackle we need at least 2 quality corners to go with young who does look good

You're kidding right???  Either that or you're trolling.  Come on man.  Weddle was a bright spot, helped Elam immensely.  Not drafting well????  This year was probably one of the best drafts we have had in YEARS....  Orr was an undrafted player having one hell of a season.  Tavon Young is going to be an awesome Cornerback; already playing at a great level...  Stanley made his value evident this year protecting Joe...  It's nutz in here.  Our front 7 on the defensive line was great.

I an not trolling but having played organized football for 5 years I Know what im talkingabout lets look at your points first I agree Stanley ,young,and the RB are good picks but to many bad picks and free agents to name if weddle helped elam tell me how the little time he played he missed tackles again and blew that coverage against the pats for a td And yes weddle took all the blame for it but elam had the coverage and weddle had deep help weddle does not like to tackle example wentz going in for td weddel stayed at the goal line and waited for him and tried to him on his side. our front 7 was good not great gave up avg 5 yards per carry over last 4 games and no pressure on QB I also saw Williams man handled several times and take plays off I Love the Ravens but these are Facts

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

You really need to look into punctuation to start with. Orr was a monster, leading tackler if I remember right. People keep harping on our bad picks in the draft but if you compare our drafts with all the other teams we have done pretty dare good.

[The Mom Gene]

3 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Hit the reply button to soon Orr was Run over by #26 on pittsburg gave up 3 tds in a row one to clevland to A Run when orr did not fill his hole 1 against the jets and the last I don't remember game but it was the same slant play that the jets scored and also Ravens are paying ben Watson 3 mill this year hester 3 Mill this year and Forsett 3Mill this year guess what they all have in common not one of them are on the team and let me go out on a limb here and say I bet Bisotti is not very happy about that

I have been involved in "organized football" for much longer than 5 years.  One thing I can tell you there was a drastic improvement in Elam since Weddle has been here.  As far as the salaries go...  Ben Watson was injured in the final game of preseason that was unavoidable...  He'll be back next year.  Hester was a bust; yes, but that's the only one that I can say they may regret.  To now have West and Dixon, keeping Forsett for part of the year was NOT a bad idea at all considering they knew that it would be a while before we got Dixon back.  Injuries to Watson and Dixon were unavoidable.  Bisciotti is a successful businessman, and I'm sure with being in the business for all these years, he understands all of that.  Come on man.