State of the Ravens going into 2017

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not a toot my own horn type of guy but many said the same thing when I said that Forsett would be cut if these young guys stepped up at RB. Not exactly the same situation but I saw signs of Forsett being near the end and I see the same from Pitta. Again the production looks good but remember in 2010 Todd Heap had a really solid season at TE with the combination of Dickson and Pitta behind him producing a total of 12 catches 153yds 1TD. So there was nothing about those young guys take said they could handle more snaps, especially Pitta who had 1rec for 1 yard in 2010. 

Waller, Williams, Boyle and Gilmore have all at least shown flashes that they produce given opportunities. Give the TE room to this young group and let them work. I think there is room for all 4 guys because I think the Ravens are comfortable enough to carry only 2RBs with Juice acting as that 3rd guy. That opens up a roster spot to keep a 4th TE. 

I think you cut Pitta before the offseason to allow him to pick up with another team and basically send a message to the young TEs that it's on them now. 

That would be much easier if Waller, Williams, Boyle and Gilmore actually made more of an impact this year, which none of them have, with the exception of Waller and his impact was minimal. Gilmore and Williams had a very disappointing year this season, especially Williams who didn't even record a catch and Gilmore who didn't do much, both guys have injury concerns as well and its becoming a trend. Now if you're recommending that we employ someone to step up at TE than okay, but I don't think we will gamble at TE and WR, not after the year the offense had. 

If Pitta fails to win the starting job at camp, then you know one of those guys will make an impact, if he does then that tells you that none of those guys are the solution. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That would be much easier if Waller, Williams, Boyle and Gilmore actually made more of an impact this year, which none of them have, with the exception of Waller and his impact was minimal. Gilmore and Williams had a very disappointing year this season, especially Williams who didn't even record a catch and Gilmore who didn't do much, both guys have injury concerns as well and its becoming a trend. Now if you're recommending that we employ someone to step up at TE than okay, but I don't think we will gamble at TE and WR, not after the year the offense had. 

If Pitta fails to win the starting job at camp, then you know one of those guys will make an impact, if he does then that tells you that none of those guys are the solution. 

Williams went on IR. Gillmore had a nagging injury. Injuries happen luckily this year it was at a position the team had some depth that it didn't hinder the team as much. Pitta was #3 or #4 during camp and worked his way up. Partially because all these guys had injuries.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Barring a meteoric rise we are in a great range for Sidney Jones aka the best corner prospect since pat pete

Sidney Jones is the crown jewel at corner! He help make that Washington D nasty. We put him, Jimmy and Young out there with Weddle backing him up and we will be in great shape. 

[RavensDieHard21]

39 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

Idc bout yall I'm paying RIck Wagner. He's very solid player and the musical chairs crap has to stop. Pay your guys Oz !

He needs to be priority #1 so we only have to worry about a replacement at center. We need a solid line and Stanley and Wagner are great in pass protection. Yanda is an all-pro and Lewis was making strides before the injury. You get a mammoth hard nosed center like Travis Frederick and we will have both great pass protection and the ability to part the Red Sea 

[ellicottraven]

Sign Rick Wagner to an extension and do your best to hold on to B. Williams without breaking the bank. I don't know what happens with Carl Davis next year, but I'm hoping he comes on.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think pitta needs to go. His reception numbers are so overhyped. He has caught a ton of short passes that meant absolutely nothing, and anytime a ball hits His hands past the sticks it seems like he drops it. He killed us against Pitt dropping a td and later needlessly flailing his leg in the air in the redzone resulting in a failure to stay in bounds. He lost his clutch factor. He no longer makes those tough catches, he also struggles to make routine ones at crucial moments, he offers nothing as a blocker nor as an athlete. He's a formerly reliable set of hands who sits in the open zone 3 yards downfield. 

What's his dead money if he's cut? 

I would like to see him replaced with Evan engram. That smaller TE/slot receiver type, but much stronger and far more athletic and sudden. Runs very quality Routes and has great explosiveness to get wide open after his breaks and can leap out of the stadium and has great body control and concentration for contested grabs. He would fit right in with flacco. 

[allblackraven]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What's his dead money if he's cut? 

$4,400,000 and $3,300,000 in cap savings

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

You need a step up guy but you also need to consider what happens if that guy doesn't step up.  Perriman should be given most of the reps this coming Sunday but that remains to be seen.  Otherwise, you have (insert Wallace/other veteran here), Perriman, Moore, and Camp in this scenario.  Aiken is also a FA so we don't really have him either.  It makes no sense to cut Wallace at this juncture.  I think the idea of us dropping that much coin of a FA anyways is unrealistic.  I would fully expect another veteran.  Garcon was mentioned a lot and I actually think he makes a ton of sense.  We'll likely add another via the draft as well.

Every year the Ravens always rely on someone to step up somewhere. Last season LG was a place where the team felt like one of the guys, Urshcel/Jensen/Lewis would fill in the LG hole for KO and we also relied on Za'Darius to come on as a pass rusher for us, 2015 we relied upon Brandon Williams and Timmy J to replace Ngata, 2014 we relied on Chykie at CB and that burned us, 2013 we just relied on Joe and that burned us as well. 

This year, we have a need at OLB/CB/C and you're not fixing all of those positions via the draft so you're going to have to do something at it in FA and OLB/CB is a position that you're going to finally have to make a pay day at because there's no excuses at either of those positions. Three years at CB and 2 for pass rush.

You're going to need someone to just step up but where? CB? No, not again, that burned us three years in a row. OLB? You're going to cut Doom and most likely someone else so you have to pay someone. Center is a position that I think we will attack via draft. Who are you going to rely on? Za'darius, Correa, Maxx Williams, Crockett Gilmore, or the 1st round pick you selected who is finally healthy and could build something with your QB. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Every year the Ravens always rely on someone to step up somewhere. Last season LG was a place where the team felt like one of the guys, Urshcel/Jensen/Lewis would fill in the LG hole for KO and we also relied on Za'Darius to come on as a pass rusher for us, 2015 we relied upon Brandon Williams and Timmy J to replace Ngata, 2014 we relied on Chykie at CB and that burned us, 2013 we just relied on Joe and that burned us as well. 

This year, we have a need at OLB/CB/C and you're not fixing all of those positions via the draft so you're going to have to do something at it in FA and OLB/CB is a position that you're going to finally have to make a pay day at because there's no excuses at either of those positions. Three years at CB and 2 for pass rush.

You're going to need someone to just step up but where? CB? No, not again, that burned us three years in a row. OLB? You're going to cut Doom and most likely someone else so you have to pay someone. Center is a position that I think we will attack via draft. Who are you going to rely on? Za'darius, Correa, Maxx Williams, Crockett Gilmore, or the 1st round pick you selected who is finally healthy and could build something with your QB. 

Yep. For the most part we have no depth whatsoever. Is it on scouting/drafting or on coaches/development? Or both?

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Williams went on IR. Gillmore had a nagging injury. Injuries happen luckily this year it was at a position the team had some depth that it didn't hinder the team as much. Pitta was #3 or #4 during camp and worked his way up. Partially because all these guys had injuries.

I don't recall Gilmore having any injuries during camp, Williams did came back in the season and did absolutely nothing. Waller a had his suspension but let's not act like he was anything special, he showed his bright spots but he was good for literally one catch a game. I like what Boyle did as a blocker but that was just about it. 

I think Pitta's time is done here too, just would rather wait till camp because as of now, everyone is a no show. People are talking about Pitta's play but Maxx Williams was very disappointing this season, in his 4 games he struggled badly to separate and literally had no catches. Just tough to bank on all four, I'd rather just wait and see then put Pitta in the June 1st cut. 

[ALPHA]

26 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Yep. For the most part we have no depth whatsoever. Is it on scouting/drafting or on coaches/development? Or both?

Harbaugh has a habit of being too loyal to players and coaches who can't cut it, either that or he's a poor judge of talent.

18 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't recall Gilmore having any injuries during camp, Williams did came back in the season and did absolutely nothing. Waller a had his suspension but let's not act like he was anything special, he showed his bright spots but he was good for literally one catch a game. I like what Boyle did as a blocker but that was just about it. 

I think Pitta's time is done here too, just would rather wait till camp because as of now, everyone is a no show. People are talking about Pitta's play but Maxx Williams was very disappointing this season, in his 4 games he struggled badly to separate and literally had no catches. Just tough to bank on all four, I'd rather just wait and see then put Pitta in the June 1st cut. 

I think Pitta is done, Gilmore is injury prone and overall our best hopes rest on Maxx Williams. TE's take a long time to develop and maybe the game is just too fast for Maxx at this point but he has the talent.

[kjbmore]

Time to consolidate and trim this roster and I bet Harbaugh will be leading the charge.

We don't need a million tight ends.

Gilmore can't stay healthy and Don't trust Waller - if he'd actually laid out for a catch and shown strong hands , which is what we need from our TE - we may be looking at a live game this weekend - go into the season with Pitta, Maxx, Boyle - obviously Waller is cheap n will still be here 

we have a million RBs but we don't have a scat back, or a returner - we need somebody lively like a sproles or woodhead to add to the group - taliferro and Buck can go - add somebody shifty that gives us another dimension 

powers, Arrington, wright, Lewis, Elam, piss them all off and get some young blood in here - I'd rather have young kids getting burnt and learning and developing than paying retreads a couple mil each to get burnt who will be done in a season or 2

all we heard all preseason was powers has the most interceptions he's lighting it up, shows how bad our Offense was going into the season, come game time - been gash all year

stop picking up other people's scraps, they're letting them go for a reason!!

We let Jeremy butler go, victor ochi - young guys who may have gotten a look and for what - so we could save a spot for Gilmore, Aiken, Lewis, Buck Allen 

get aggressive, get young, get nasty and get back to being a bad guy team we look forward to watching, instead of waiting for the inevitable let downs we've witnessed over the last 4 years

 

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Every year the Ravens always rely on someone to step up somewhere. Last season LG was a place where the team felt like one of the guys, Urshcel/Jensen/Lewis would fill in the LG hole for KO and we also relied on Za'Darius to come on as a pass rusher for us, 2015 we relied upon Brandon Williams and Timmy J to replace Ngata, 2014 we relied on Chykie at CB and that burned us, 2013 we just relied on Joe and that burned us as well. 

This year, we have a need at OLB/CB/C and you're not fixing all of those positions via the draft so you're going to have to do something at it in FA and OLB/CB is a position that you're going to finally have to make a pay day at because there's no excuses at either of those positions. Three years at CB and 2 for pass rush.

You're going to need someone to just step up but where? CB? No, not again, that burned us three years in a row. OLB? You're going to cut Doom and most likely someone else so you have to pay someone. Center is a position that I think we will attack via draft. Who are you going to rely on? Za'darius, Correa, Maxx Williams, Crockett Gilmore, or the 1st round pick you selected who is finally healthy and could build something with your QB. 

And that's fine, but are you really counting on that trio to step up?  Perriman is the one I'd count on but I don't see how you can rely on him being anything more than a #3 based on this year.  Camp has still yet to prove he can stay healthy.  I still like Moore but he might actually have more drops than catches in his limited playing time this year.  What happens if Wallace/other veteran (let's be real - it's going to be Wallace) gets hurt?  Then, we have nothing at WR once again.  Yes, you have other positions to address but WR is just as important.  I one of the few around here that actually likes a bit of what I've seen from Perriman, but there's absolutely no way you can go into the season with him as the de facto #2.

And yes, I realize that CB, OLB, and OL are needs, but that doesn't mean you can't address WR as well.  I think you have it in your head that we're going to drop a serious amount of money on those positions, when that's just not reality.  This will likely be another typical Ravens offseason where we add a second tier option at a few positions, and we can afford to do that almost across the board at the need positions.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, allblackraven said:

$4,400,000 and $3,300,000 in cap savings

3.3 savings after dead money? Or a net of 1.1m dead money?

[January J]

17 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't know about being so quick to cut Pitta. He's earned back all his incentives so in a sense he has played above expectations, he also has a shot of making the Pro Bowl as an alternate so keeping all that in mind he might have some trade value. It would be much easier to cut Pitta if someone emerged, I think he's more of a camp cut.

And what if he takes a significant pay cut? Is he worth keeping for his veteran presence and connection with Joe in that case? 

17 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I would go so far as to say Dumervil is virually guaranteed to be cut. I see no reason to believe that his production will warrant keeping him given the cap savings releasing him will bring ($6M). As you say, Z isn't inspiring anyone and at this point we don't even know if Correa is a back up option (which is very disappointing given his draft position). OLB is a draft position we must nail for 2017. CB is a clear need, but no need is more acutely felt as edge rush. 

Yep, doom is as good as gone..and I've got no problem with it. He's been on the steady decline and I expect next year to be a major dropoff. 

 

Paycuts for pitta, Webb. Resign Wagner, guy, juice. 2nd round Tender for Orr. Cut doom, arrington, KLewis, possibly ZSmith ( or hope he had a sophmore slump)

Let Bwill walk. 

Bring back Wallace and take a chance with him and Perriman being your number 1 and 2 while bringing in a serviceable FA such as Garcon...but rely more on the Running game.  Bring in a veteran Center. 

Draft priorities: PASS RUSH PASS RUSH PASS RUSH, CB, BPA

All very doable and would easily get us back into contention.

[stampedehero]

On 12/25/2016 at 10:41 PM, ravens rule said:

Going into flacco's 10th season why is WR still a huge question mark ? 

We all thought this year that would not be a question. All the posts in pre season touted a vaunted WR core.  For the football life of me I do not understand why The O staff can't deploy a shotgun formation for Joe Flacco. If Joe wants to last as long as Brady, that is what needs to be done.  I feel for SSS. This was probably his last season.  

[stampedehero]

16 minutes ago, January J said:

And what if he takes a significant pay cut? Is he worth keeping for his veteran presence and connection with Joe in that case? 

Yep, doom is as good as gone..and I've got no problem with it. He's been on the steady decline and I expect next year to be a major dropoff. 

 

Paycuts for pitta, Webb. Resign Wagner, guy, juice. 2nd round Tender for Orr. Cut doom, arrington, KLewis, possibly ZSmith ( or hope he had a sophmore slump)

Let Bwill walk. 

Bring back Wallace and take a chance with him and Perriman being your number 1 and 2 while bringing in a serviceable FA such as Garcon...but rely more on the Running game.  Bring in a veteran Center. 

Draft priorities: PASS RUSH PASS RUSH PASS RUSH, CB, BPA

All very doable and would easily get us back into contention.

I believe we would be in contention this year if we beat the Jets, Giants, Redskins and Raiders.  We had a chance in Dallas and NE.  That proves coaching flaws are more prevalent than player mistakes.  

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, ravensnj said:

How about : reason #2: Max is only a blocker and is chronically hurt during his short career, #3 Boyle had a ten game suspension, #4 Gilmore is often hurt and couldn't get separation or make a catch in the clutch, in the earlier part of the season. #4 Pitta get's it, he can get open and help the quarterback, like Steve Smith, they are vets and know the game. #5 Waller wasn't ready.

 

Well Maxx is only a blocker because he's only been used as a blocker. In an ideal offense, he's a pass catcher primarily. Boyle and Gillmore would be your blocking TEs, and Waller is emerging into a legitimate red zone threat in the passing game.

Rostering five TEs seems unlikely, and Pitta is far and away the most expensive of them all. 

Again, hard to sell getting value out of Pitta at a $5.5M salary.

[stampedehero]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That would be much easier if Waller, Williams, Boyle and Gilmore actually made more of an impact this year, which none of them have, with the exception of Waller and his impact was minimal. Gilmore and Williams had a very disappointing year this season, especially Williams who didn't even record a catch and Gilmore who didn't do much, both guys have injury concerns as well and its becoming a trend. Now if you're recommending that we employ someone to step up at TE than okay, but I don't think we will gamble at TE and WR, not after the year the offense had. 

If Pitta fails to win the starting job at camp, then you know one of those guys will make an impact, if he does then that tells you that none of those guys are the solution. 

Add Watson to the formula.

[stampedehero]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well Maxx is only a blocker because he's only been used as a blocker. In an ideal offense, he's a pass catcher primarily. Boyle and Gillmore would be your blocking TEs, and Waller is emerging into a legitimate red zone threat in the passing game.

Rostering five TEs seems unlikely, and Pitta is far and away the most expensive of them all. 

Again, hard to sell getting value out of Pitta at a $5.5M salary.

What plans are there for Ben Watson?

[Rav'n Maniac]

The real question is what would BB do if here. On D he would cut Suggs, Doom, & Webb and let BWill walk, filling the spots in the draft. On O he would trade Flacco to Cleveland, L.A. or San Fran and draft a QB in the 6th round to take us to multiple championships.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

What plans are there for Ben Watson?

Would imagine none. He seems like an obvious release to me.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

The real question is what would BB do if here. On D he would cut Suggs, Doom, & Webb and let BWill walk, filling the spots in the draft. On O he would trade Flacco to Cleveland, L.A. or San Fran and draft a QB in the 6th round to take us to multiple championships.

No he wouldn't. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

And that's fine, but are you really counting on that trio to step up?  Perriman is the one I'd count on but I don't see how you can rely on him being anything more than a #3 based on this year.  Camp has still yet to prove he can stay healthy.  I still like Moore but he might actually have more drops than catches in his limited playing time this year.  What happens if Wallace/other veteran (let's be real - it's going to be Wallace) gets hurt?  Then, we have nothing at WR once again.  Yes, you have other positions to address but WR is just as important.  I one of the few around here that actually likes a bit of what I've seen from Perriman, but there's absolutely no way you can go into the season with him as the de facto #2.

And yes, I realize that CB, OLB, and OL are needs, but that doesn't mean you can't address WR as well.  I think you have it in your head that we're going to drop a serious amount of money on those positions, when that's just not reality.  This will likely be another typical Ravens offseason where we add a second tier option at a few positions, and we can afford to do that almost across the board at the need positions.

I think we need to be smart about our money and draft pick investments this year. Looking at our needs, I really think CB and OLB must be addressed in the draft due to age of our CB and OLB. Looking at WR and OL, the group is young so I don't mind and even prefer veteran additions there. We need a reliable target to get YAC more than a burner since we have Perriman, Moore and Wallace who are that mold.  We shouldn't ignore WR or OL but they shouldn't be our early investments.  Fill them in FA after cutting Dumervil, Lewis and Pitta

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we need to be smart about our money and draft pick investments this year. Looking at our needs, I really think CB and OLB must be addressed in the draft due to age of our CB and OLB. Looking at WR and OL, the group is young so I don't mind and even prefer veteran additions there. We need a reliable target to get YAC more than a burner since we have Perriman, Moore and Wallace who are that mold.  We shouldn't ignore WR or OL but they shouldn't be our early investments.  Fill them in FA after cutting Dumervil, Lewis and Pitta

Agreed.  I think the WR addition is more likely to come by the way of a veteran FA to go along with Wallace, and for the first time in a long time, I don't think people are crazy for suggesting Garcon.  I think he'd be the perfect fit.  At OL, Wagner should be our main focus this offseason, and we can address C/G or whatever as we see fit.

As you said though, CB and OLB absolutely have to come via the draft, and we can't afford to miss either.  I'd still look at adding a veteran at CB for depth purposes, but we have to get some more young talent there.  Young is a nice get, but we still need more.

Ozzie probably needs to drop his BPA mantra, because those 2 years in a row of S, ILB, and DL killed us.  We have no talent at the skill positions now.  I know DeCosta is the pick hoarder as well, so I think he needs to loosen up and be willing to move for a guy if you want him.  This waiting and seeing what falls thing has hurt us a lot as well.

[Rav'n Maniac]

45 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No he wouldn't. 

Lol, you took me seriously? Nobody knows what BB would do in any situation until long after he's done it. You have to admit though that at times he does make some surprising moves.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed.  I think the WR addition is more likely to come by the way of a veteran FA to go along with Wallace, and for the first time in a long time, I don't think people are crazy for suggesting Garcon.  I think he'd be the perfect fit.  At OL, Wagner should be our main focus this offseason, and we can address C/G or whatever as we see fit.

As you said though, CB and OLB absolutely have to come via the draft, and we can't afford to miss either.  I'd still look at adding a veteran at CB for depth purposes, but we have to get some more young talent there.  Young is a nice get, but we still need more.

Ozzie probably needs to drop his BPA mantra, because those 2 years in a row of S, ILB, and DL killed us.  We have no talent at the skill positions now.  I know DeCosta is the pick hoarder as well, so I think he needs to loosen up and be willing to move for a guy if you want him.  This waiting and seeing what falls thing has hurt us a lot as well.

Yep 100% agreed. I love Garçon as a fit here and I think he's the perfect addition and hope he's the one we get. He's reliable and gets YAC and is high profile enough to be effective but also low profile enough to be cheaper than others.  I've warmed up to keeping Wagner because it'll mean we can keep our OL intact and that could be huge for continuity and I'd even suggest keeping Yanda at LG and move Lewis to RG but I'll take whatever I can get. I'd also be fine if we even moved Yanda to center, which may not be likely and I know Zuttah improved but I just don't want to see him anymore.  He still was regularly getting pushed back even late in the year and I'm worried he may be done or close to the end. And yeah, we need to aggressively move up and snipe guys from other teams like they've done us lately. Sitting on our hands and taking Correas, Codys, and others have hurt this team. Who wants Harrison Smith over Upshaw in a re-do? Lol. Moving up in 2013 would've been ideal since there were only so many quality guys anyway.  

[Ravens419]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep 100% agreed. I love Garçon as a fit here and I think he's the perfect addition and hope he's the one we get. He's reliable and gets YAC and is high profile enough to be effective but also low profile enough to be cheaper than others.  I've warmed up to keeping Wagner because it'll mean we can keep our OL intact and that could be huge for continuity and I'd even suggest keeping Yanda at LG and move Lewis to RG but I'll take whatever I can get. I'd also be fine if we even moved Yanda to center, which may not be likely and I know Zuttah improved but I just don't want to see him anymore.  He still was regularly getting pushed back even late in the year and I'm worried he may be done or close to the end. And yeah, we need to aggressively move up and snipe guys from other teams like they've done us lately. Sitting on our hands and taking Correas, Codys, and others have hurt this team. Who wants Harrison Smith over Upshaw in a re-do? Lol. Moving up in 2013 would've been ideal since there were only so many quality guys anyway.  

The more I ponder all this the more I like the though of Garçon and paying bigger money on D I think this offense showed glimpses of what it could do these last game putting up over 21 points and at times had bad drives but overall pretty good I think Marty having a full offseason joe having an offseason with the guys and keeping as many as the same players together as possible will be huge for this team I think Watson is gone and I fully believe Pitta takes a pay cut I think him and joe have too much chemistry to just let him go and I think pitta knows taking a pay cut is best for his career id love to see more Waller and pitta sets with Garçon in the slot with perriman and Wallace stretching the field and KD in the backfield I also love Juice and I think twest is still good for a year don't quote me on that so I think this running game will emerge this year I honestly believe we need one more big name cb on this team and we are contenders jimmy is too fragile I like what I see from tavon so if jimmy goes down we need that insurance policy... doom walks and we draft someone or let judon play there and I think a HEALTHY Suggs stays on the other side I'd love to keep Bwill but for the right price if not pierce had a decent rookie year he's so big I'd feel comfortable there also

[ALPHA]

9 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep 100% agreed. I love Garçon as a fit here and I think he's the perfect addition and hope he's the one we get. He's reliable and gets YAC and is high profile enough to be effective but also low profile enough to be cheaper than others.  I've warmed up to keeping Wagner because it'll mean we can keep our OL intact and that could be huge for continuity and I'd even suggest keeping Yanda at LG and move Lewis to RG but I'll take whatever I can get. I'd also be fine if we even moved Yanda to center, which may not be likely and I know Zuttah improved but I just don't want to see him anymore.  He still was regularly getting pushed back even late in the year and I'm worried he may be done or close to the end. And yeah, we need to aggressively move up and snipe guys from other teams like they've done us lately. Sitting on our hands and taking Correas, Codys, and others have hurt this team. Who wants Harrison Smith over Upshaw in a re-do? Lol. Moving up in 2013 would've been ideal since there were only so many quality guys anyway.  

I think if Lewis is starting on the inside again then it's an F for this offseason, the kid I has talent just not for the interior. Our realistic FA and draft options aren't as good as they were last year but theres some talent available that at least fit better than Zuttuh and Lewis.

[Ravens419]

The more I look at stephone gilemores play the less I wanna overpay for him I'd love Johnson but he'll come at a high price but a guy like captain munnerlyn I love at the price we could probably get him for I think jimmy is our #1 but we need that good #2 Tavon I like in the slot and as a #3 to keep developing