State of the Ravens going into 2017

[JonnyBaltimore]

6 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

We need to act on Alshon Jeffery or Garçon IMO we need someone to replace SSR period 

Garcon would be a nice pickup to replace Smith Sr

[Ravens419]

Let powers and Aiken walk for sure sign juice and Brandon Williams depending on his price tag and I'd love to see us pursue Alshon Jeffery or Garçon and Morris Claiborne... I think we draft a pass rusher and I think Suggs and doom get another chance these men have been playing through injuries let them get healthy and see what happens some of you over react we are a good team I just don't think this was our year we are competitive... we just need to fill some holes I think next year after looking at the schedule could be a 11-5 year as Eric Weddle said we will be back here next year on the right side of things give Marty another year we can't sign anyone better and pees I think deserves another year unless someone better is on the market but I don't think there are coaching changes 

[Ravens419]

2 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

Garcon would be a nice pickup to replace Smith Sr

I would love Garçon with Bershard and Wallace stretching the outside I like the Twest KD duo until we gotta pay Twest let him go and keep KD 

[JonnyBaltimore]

2 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

I would love Garçon with Bershard and Wallace stretching the outside I like the Twest KD duo until we gotta pay Twest let him go and keep KD 

Yes I agree with Garcon + Perriman + Wallace. The problem will be the cap to squeeze in Garcon. If it makes sense, it would be a good pickup. West is a RFA so will tender him; it is really just a matter of what round. I see a second round tender for him. He was originally drafted in the 3rd round, so if we decide to let him walk, then that is the compensation we would get, so it is win win. But I like the way he runs; he is explosive. He could use a little more discipline but he can catch out of the backfield as well.

[Jonah DeVito]

15 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

In a lot better position than last year. Granted we need to find a replacement for Steve and another edge rusher, but if we can find a new OC we should be very good next season. We need to sharpen up on the interior, find an OLB, and another corner(I'd go find two. One slot guy and some insurance for if/when Jimmy goes down). Honestly, WR is the least of my worries. 

 

While the rest of y'all overreact we're not too far off. 

Agreed, Im much more concerned with the lack of pass rush and adding another corner over WR. 

[Ravens419]

3 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Agreed, Im much more concerned with the lack of pass rush and adding another corner over WR. 

I don't see how SSR gone and all we have is two speed guys and one isn't even fully devolved we need a good route runner 

[Ravens419]

I don't think Garçon would be all that expensive he shouldn't be atleast he will pull some money but not a ton 

[Ravens419]

For all you who say Suggs is done and he seems like he plans to be here next year how do you bench him he is the emotional leader of this team I'd just like to know if you really find it realistic he isn't starting next year 

[Jonah DeVito]

1 hour ago, Ravens419 said:

I don't see how SSR gone and all we have is two speed guys and one isn't even fully devolved we need a good route runner 

It's obviously an area that will need improvement, but not as urgent as a solid OLB or CB

[Militant X 1]

Steve Smith, Sr.  says goodbye....

http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/12/26/baltimore-ravens-wr-steve-smith-announces-retirement/

[PurpleCity5]

I think people are under rating the need of a WR severly. With Steve Smith likely gone, we're going to lack a playmaker. I know people are shouting Mike Wallace at me but he's had a pretty significant drop in production lately and it might make the team think twice about extending him.

Wallace is becoming a question mark to me, since week 10 he hasn't crossed 100 yards or recorded a TD. He's definitely going to be an asset, but not someone you want leading your receiving core. After that you have Perriman who isn't a safe bet but someone you know you will have to develop.

I think you at the least need someone who can make plays, too many times this team made Justin Tucker look good. 

[Ravens419]

18 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think people are under rating the need of a WR severly. With Steve Smith likely gone, we're going to lack a playmaker. I know people are shouting Mike Wallace at me but he's had a pretty significant drop in production lately and it might make the team think twice about extending him.

Wallace is becoming a question mark to me, since week 10 he hasn't crossed 100 yards or recorded a TD. He's definitely going to be an asset, but not someone you want leading your receiving core. After that you have Perriman who isn't a safe bet but someone you know you will have to develop.

I think you at the least need someone who can make plays, too many times this team made Justin Tucker look good. 

I 100% agree I don't see how people don't see this

[The Raven]

My mind is made up. Lock up Wagner and let William get overpaid elsewhere. I'd rather invest cap space and a roster spot in a lineman that can actually push the pocket in clutch situations.

[JonnyBaltimore]

5 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

I 100% agree I don't see how people don't see this

To replace Steve Smith Sr we can bulk up our O-line and run the ball. Then we can run PA to our TE's and speed WR's. We can pick up Garcon too or hopefully Campanaro can stay healthy and he can contribute. Basically you replace him by a combination of other positions because you won't be able to.

Honestly I don't see how anyone on offence is indispensable. If we were a top 10 offence, then I would worry, but the reality is our offence underperformed badly. The bar is not set that high for next year. Personnel wise, we shouldn't be emotionally attached to players, because the reality is that we are not very good anyways on offence.

We do have the guys to stretch the field so if we can put a good ground game together, our offence would be more balanced and much better than this year's offence.

[rmw10]

11 minutes ago, The Raven said:

My mind is made up. Lock up Wagner and let William get overpaid elsewhere. I'd rather invest cap space and a roster spot in a lineman that can actually push the pocket in clutch situations.

I love Brandon Williams, but I agree.  Focus on Wagner.  He had a very strong run at the end of the season and I'd much rather keep some consistency on the OL, and Wagner is one of the pieces that was working.  Williams is a good player and all, but I'd much rather us give the 80/20 rule a shot at NT since we already have Pierce than I would RT.  Sure, Lewis can slide over, but that still leaves a hole inside.

[RAVENSFAN 1]

WE need a stud running back  a starting lock down corner and a beast at the safety position. No more wasting 1ST round draft picks on offensive lineman, if you can't score touchdowns or prevent them from being scored , I will see you after the 3rd round tackles,guards, and centers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rav'n Maniac]

41 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think people are under rating the need of a WR severly. With Steve Smith likely gone, we're going to lack a playmaker. I know people are shouting Mike Wallace at me but he's had a pretty significant drop in production lately and it might make the team think twice about extending him.

Wallace is becoming a question mark to me, since week 10 he hasn't crossed 100 yards or recorded a TD. He's definitely going to be an asset, but not someone you want leading your receiving core. After that you have Perriman who isn't a safe bet but someone you know you will have to develop.

I think you at the least need someone who can make plays, too many times this team made Justin Tucker look good. 

I just want to make you aware that there's no need to extend Wallace as he is under contract through 2017 with a 4.75m base plus a 1m roster bonus. Of course, we could cut him and save the 5.75m but he would still cost us 2.25m against the cap.

[The Raven]

18 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I love Brandon Williams, but I agree.  Focus on Wagner.  He had a very strong run at the end of the season and I'd much rather keep some consistency on the OL, and Wagner is one of the pieces that was working.  Williams is a good player and all, but I'd much rather us give the 80/20 rule a shot at NT since we already have Pierce than I would RT.  Sure, Lewis can slide over, but that still leaves a hole inside.

I love Lewis long term as LG or even swing tackle. Maybe even RG. I like him here. 

[PurpleCity5]

13 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I just want to make you aware that there's no need to extend Wallace as he is under contract through 2017 with a 4.75m base plus a 1m roster bonus. Of course, we could cut him and save the 5.75m but he would still cost us 2.25m against the cap.

I see, I could've sworn that he was a FA this year but I do see that there is a club option there so we'll see if they pick it up. I think they will since they don't want a bigger hole at WR, with that said he's not who I want leading these WRs. 

[JonnyBaltimore]

3 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I see, I could've sworn that he was a FA this year but I do see that there is a club option there so we'll see if they pick it up. I think they will since they don't want a bigger hole at WR, with that said he's not who I want leading these WRs. 

The problem with Wallace is that his cap hit is $8million next year, so his contract is basically structured as a 1 year deal. If he is a part of the future plan, I would think we re-structure his deal to a more palatable cap number (something like 2 years 10 Million). Wallace has had only 1 TD in his last 13 games, so at an $8 million cap figure, he might be cut based on value if they cant come to terms.

[codizzle]

Pass rush.. all kinds of pass rush

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, JonnyBaltimore said:

The problem with Wallace is that his cap hit is $8million next year, so his contract is basically structured as a 1 year deal. If he is a part of the future plan, I would think we re-structure his deal to a more palatable cap number (something like 2 years 10 Million). Wallace has had only 1 TD in his last 13 games, so at an $8 million cap figure, he might be cut based on value if they cant come to terms.

Even with the $8M cap figure being the case which I do agree is pretty high, I do think we will bring him back if we can't come to terms on an extension. Losing Steve Smith Sr. and Mike Wallace would be a huge downgrade to a struggling offense. You didn't get a whole lot from TE even though Pitta was impressive coming back and we don't need to talk about the run game.

I wouldn't be shocked if we cut him because I do agree $8M is a little high, but you have work to be done at OLB and CB. I don't think you want to add more to that.

[hn68wb4]

I think this season will be a heck of a lot better to grow out of than last season, mainly because we won't have the injury excuse holding us back from making some needed changes - especially to the offensive coaching staff. Mornhinweg needs to go, or at very least be demoted out of calling plays. Some position coaches should be shuffled as well on that side of the ball. As far as the defense is concerned, I would be fine with keeping it the same. With lack of star power and some injuries here and there, they still managed to field a damn good team, that up until the past couple weeks was in contention to be called the league's best but without offensive help I don't blame them for wearing down to end the season, particularly against the run.

I've said it on another thread but I'll say it again here - for OC I would love for us to skip the usual tactic of recycling a former HC, we've done that every year since Flacco joined the team and it's only worked once with Kubiak. Bring in a young gun with some new ideas and a new attitude. The offense doesn't lack talent, Joe is still a good QB, he's ending the season strong since starting slow, I have to say congrats to him for finally clearing that 4K yards barrier and making mostly better decision - though we're all well aware to expect one really bad decision per game, at least he's not making multiple anymore. Since getting healthy Dixon has really come on strong and looks to be our starter moving forward. Obviously we've got the oline pieces moving forward, but we still need to draft a guy or two to round it out, especially if Wagner leaves in FA. WR is still a question mark unfortunately, but FA has lots of options if thats the route we want to take. TE has lots of pieces that are promising. So, all of that considered, I think a new face would do wonders. I don't know who I'd particularly want at this time but I'd honestly take anyone over another former HC.

As soon as the season is over we're going to start making lots of cap decisions and clearing tons of space, plenty of moves will be made. We should have enough to re-sign both of our top FA in Wagner and Williams, but my gut tells me that we're only re-signing Wagner and handing the NT reins over to Pierce, while diverting the saved money elsewhere. But I also think it's possible that we'd re-sign Williams and let Wagner walk, sign a vet LG like Ronald Leary and kick Lewis out to take over at RT. But I think the former is more realistic right now. I won't get too specific because I don't want this post to be a million miles long.

[Ravens559]

20 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I'd actually be fine with keeping him because I don't think its worth starting over when there really isnt anybody better out there. 

Bernie Parmalee...  Raiders RB Coach...have you seen the raiders RB's ? all are great promising runners and very young.. This guy is helped the raiders run game become formidable ..that is the reason why raiders still have any playoff chance.. 

[rmw10]

20 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

The problem with Wallace is that his cap hit is $8million next year, so his contract is basically structured as a 1 year deal. If he is a part of the future plan, I would think we re-structure his deal to a more palatable cap number (something like 2 years 10 Million). Wallace has had only 1 TD in his last 13 games, so at an $8 million cap figure, he might be cut based on value if they cant come to terms.

It's expensive, but I don't think you have much choice but to try to extend him or keep him at that number if you really have to.  You can't go into the season with Perriman as your #1, and we'd have only Campanaro and Moore behind him.

[Ravens419]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's expensive, but I don't think you have much choice but to try to extend him or keep him at that number if you really have to.  You can't go into the season with Perriman as your #1, and we'd have only Campanaro and Moore behind him.

I think Wallace is here to stay no way he is gone unless we have something big at the WR position coming... no way we go into next season with our #1 wideout being perriman I just don't see it 

[balfan23]

9 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I've said it on another thread but I'll say it again here - for OC I would love for us to skip the usual tactic of recycling a former HC, we've done that every year since Flacco joined the team and it's only worked once with Kubiak. Bring in a young gun with some new ideas and a new attitude. The offense doesn't lack talent, Joe is still a good QB, he's ending the season strong since starting slow,

Well, I don't know ... the problem with that approach is that you can guarantee that a young gun comes in here and turns this unit around, he'll be gone in a year to be the HC somewhere else. There are a lot of success stories around the league with former HCs, who go back to being a coordinator and settle into that role permanently. Kubiak could have been a long term solution had his dream job not come open. He was turning down other offers for HC elsewhere. Todd Haley, Wade Phillips ... before that Dick LeBeau. 

If Joe is starting slow and ending the season strong, is it possible that it is this crazy lack of consistency that is causing the problem? If we can say he's finished strong this season, then would it make sense to keep the guy who only was here for a part of the season? I don't know ... I just feel like the lack of consistency is a major problem and bringing in some wunderkind to use our OC position as a stepping stone is not what we need. 

[rmw10]

Just now, Ravens419 said:

I think Wallace is here to stay no way he is gone unless we have something big at the WR position coming... no way we go into next season with our #1 wideout being perriman I just don't see it 

Agreed.  Don't think you can get rid of him, even if you add a couple of pieces.  I'd expect a veteran FA addition and another draft pick, and Wallace would still definitely factor in large on the team if that's the case.

[balfan23]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's expensive, but I don't think you have much choice but to try to extend him or keep him at that number if you really have to.  You can't go into the season with Perriman as your #1, and we'd have only Campanaro and Moore behind him.

The only way we part ways with Wallace is if we intend to use that cap space + a little more to make a bigger move to bring in a high priced WR. As you said, there is no way Perriman or Aiken will be our #1 next year. I know that's not our style, but we may be looking at taking that kind of bigger step to shake things up. 

[ravensdfan]

2 hours ago, Ravens419 said:

For all you who say Suggs is done and he seems like he plans to be here next year how do you bench him he is the emotional leader of this team I'd just like to know if you really find it realistic he isn't starting next year 

Um all his "emotion" and leadership didn't stop the defense from collapsing.

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Steve Smith, Sr.  says goodbye....

http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/12/26/baltimore-ravens-wr-steve-smith-announces-retirement/

Dang. There had been talk he might do one more year. Expected but still sad.