Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[Jonah DeVito]

4 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

A huge problem in my book.

Jernigan looked like he was gonna light it up this year early on and then just completely disappeared. Whyyyy

[stampedehero]

Of all the RAVEN/Steelers games this one really hurt the most. The defense is the culprit for this loss.  Jus did all he could to give us the win.  If we look at the consistency of our team I sensed we would not get out of New England.   Look out! The Chiefs look like the team of destiny.   

[Prophet93]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-graded-baltimore-ravens-from-week-16-vs-pittsburgh-steelers/ This article featuring the ratings from Pro Football Focus is wroth reading. Shows how well Flacco and the O-line played. Also comes to the conclusion that everyone else reached: we had no pass rush and we need to find one. Powers actually graded well. I think the issue was more with our pass rush then our coverage (besides Wright who sucked)

[HoldingCall]

51 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Jeff Zrebiec just tweeted that both Suggs and Jernigan failed to record a stat yesterday -- not even a tackle. I think I found the problem.

Hey! You win some, you lose some. Both players you listed are good players. Just give the Steelers credit for working to neutralize them. 

 

[OUravensfan]

35 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

Of all the RAVEN/Steelers games this one really hurt the most. The defense is the culprit for this loss.  Jus did all he could to give us the win.  If we look at the consistency of our team I sensed we would not get out of New England.   Look out! The Chiefs look like the team of destiny.   

No doubt it hurt, but 2008 and 2010 playoffs have it beat.

One game to potentially go to the Super Bowl with a rookie QB, rookie coach, elite D, dominant 3 man rush attack (Mcgahee, McLain, Rice) after knocking off the #1 seed Titans. They won earlier that year to win the division with a similar BS play with Holmes catching the game winner at the 1.

And then a rematch in 2010 with a much improved QB jumping out to a huge lead once again in Pitt after going 12-4, choking that lead away was brutal as the crowd gets back into the game and then AB kills us with the dagger beating Webb. Then the Webb punt return gets called back and Boldin drops a TD pass.

Housh drops a 4th down.

 

This one sucked no doubt but we were an edge team, we were elite those years and they blocked us.

Edited December 26, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Militant X 1]

The reality is this....

For all of the...Ravens "dominate" the Steelers talk because they beat them the last 4xs and that they are 4-0 against division opponents this season....and...that they destroyed the Dolphins 38-6...in all of that....the Dolphins are in the playoffs!  And the Steelers actually won the right game at the right time and because of it the Ravens are OUT!!  Smh!

Yeah!  I'm still pissed!!! 

[The Raven]

12 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

Hey! You win some, you lose some. Both players you listed are good players. Just give the Steelers credit for working to neutralize them. 

 

They neutralized our entire defensive line. None of our trench workers had a good day.

Edited December 26, 2016 by The Raven

[OUravensfan]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

The reality is this....

For all of the...Ravens "dominate" the Steelers talk because they beat them the last 4xs and that they are 4-0 against division opponents this season....and...that they destroyed the Dolphins 38-6...in all of that....the Dolphins are in the playoffs!  And the Steelers actually won the right game at the right time and because of it the Ravens are OUT!!  Smh!

Yeah!  I'm still pissed!!! 

Me too, and I still think we're better than Pitt and we just blew but good teams don't blow it so we're actually not better I guess. Harsh reality 

[allblackraven]

38 minutes ago, The Raven said:

They neutralized our entire defensive line. None of our trench workers had a good day.

It is 3rd consecutive game this happened - loaded offensive line will do that and we failed to bring extra pressure from the edge.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

It is 3rd consecutive game this happened - loaded offensive line will do that and we failed to bring extra pressure from the edge.

I wish PFF had posted how often the Ravens blitzed, but I noticed a fair amount of five man rushes, stunts, and loops, which really just speaks volumes to how poorly Pierce/Williams were doing. Those two are supposed to command a double team and dominate when left one on one, but neither did.

[rmw10]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wish PFF had posted how often the Ravens blitzed, but I noticed a fair amount of five man rushes, stunts, and loops, which really just speaks volumes to how poorly Pierce/Williams were doing. Those two are supposed to command a double team and dominate when left one on one, but neither did.

I don't know how PFF rated him for yesterday, but from my live eye, it looked like Williams had a terrible game.  I saw him being manhandled on numerous occasions.

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't know how PFF rated him for yesterday, but from my live eye, it looked like Williams had a terrible game.  I saw him being manhandled on numerous occasions.

CJ Mosley had the worst of the "best of the defense" grades with a 56.7. Considering that, I think it's safe to say that Williams, and the defensive line as a whole, were awful on the day. That means Williams had a well below average grade on the day to be lower than Mosley. 

[BmoreBird22]

One thing I will say is that I wish the All-22 and replays were more readily available because fans get this idea that if a play doesn't work, it clearly means that they called a play that we don't like and use as the poster bad play.

For example, if the Ravens don't get pressure, it must mean they only rushed three. If a corner gets beat, he played 15 yards off in a soft zone coverage. 

And it is never the other team just simply making a play. No, we can never give credit to the other team.

[The Raven]

45 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't know how PFF rated him for yesterday, but from my live eye, it looked like Williams had a terrible game.  I saw him being manhandled on numerous occasions.

To be honest, Williams played a terrible second half of the season. #UnpopularOpinion

[Ravens4Real]

Said it earlier in the week, Steelers have a top 5 OL. When you have no one on your D line that can beat an OL on the other team, 1 on 1, blitzes need to happen to alleviate the pressure out on your secondary. 

None of our blitzes worked and their offensive line shut down our pass rushers. This isn't the first game this happened this year. We have no good pass rushers on this team.

[Ravengirl11]

This reminds me of the Indy colts, Peyton manning era. To me, Peyton was coaching the team. He made Jim Caldwell look like a spectacular coach. Once Caldwell had to coach without Peyton, the team was pretty much awful, if I remember correctly. I think our team has been in a similar situation without Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Without them we really haven't been that good. Harbaugh hasn't looked like an impressive  coach these past few years.

[RayRayRaven]

28 minutes ago, The Raven said:

To be honest, Williams played a terrible second half of the season. #UnpopularOpinion

Williams doesn't have a large gas tank.  His efforts slip as the game goes on.  Jernigan is useful but that's all. our depth  is a problem and any injury hurts us tremendously.   we don't have stars. our QB cannot carry us.  our best player is clearly tucker and that says a lot about us.  we have a trend established and if one asks what next year will bring, can it be anything other than more of the same as we are currently put together?   

we must take aggressive action to change our course. it will hurt at first and we will slip further in the win column for a couple years but now is the time. if not now we prolong the bad times.

[Kilroy]

We need an overhaul!  Starting with Harbaugh and offensive coordinator, QB coach, etc.  Harbaugh is getting too comfortable and running out of creativeness.  Although the team showed a bit of creativeness with new looks for defense towards late in the season, Raven's offensive plays have been very predictable.  Harbaugh doesn't manage time well, nor does he show any fire in his belly any more. 

Also, stop focusing on non-football activities during the season!! It's like watching soap operas with all the extra curricular activities by the team members or John.  Do it off season.  You didn't get hire to be a dancer, singer, or public figures - you were hired to play football and win!!   Team's lack of focus on the game from the top to bottom is problematic!!!  Their lack of focus and consistency was displayed during all the games!!  

Let's overhaul the program and hire some coaches and player who focus on the game during the season!!!

[kakatakoi]

On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 7:30 PM, Dr. Kelley said:

I just can't wait to see who gives the defense a pass for this.

Dean Pees has been allowed to do this to our Team for 4 years straight without being held accountable....21 points in 1 quarter is inexcusable, I don't care about all of our other losses, this was a chance to show we had Identified, addressed, corrected and solidly fixed our defensive issues that have lost us so many games...almost to include blowing a17 point lead against Philly....????  Mark Trestman got his pink slip, why is Pees still on this team? He's a parasitic load and his influence is subversive to his team's good morale and discipline. you want to help Ravens fans get past this disappointment, Fire Pees...he is not getting it done! How many more close games are we going to run crappy prevent zone Defenses on in the waning minutes of critical games?  Just get rid of him please........

[kakatakoi]

9 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Well guys, it has reared its ugly head again. 

You know the scene, a wide open receiver with 5 defenders all 10 yards away, but yet all in the tv camera view.

We have heard the term "Bend but dont Break" as the name of this defense, but another name for it should be the 4th Quarter meltdown defense.

Yes I know, several teams can play a zone defense well, but apparantly ours can not. 

Is it the scheme, or the players? Thoughts?

 

its the scheme and the players and it All starts with Dean Pees and he has done this to us for 4 years straight without being held accountable....I have developed an unhealthy visceral disgust for his appalling performance and I'm in disbelief as to how he is not Gone.  The performance of the defense is on His shoulders, if the players aren't getting it done pull up guys from the practice squad or grab a free agent or convert fast linebacker into a D lineman to get some frkng pressure on the oppositions qb or just do something for crying out loud. Not Pees, same scheme every week...not identifying or correcting the problems so with years under his belt he has way worn out his welcome. Somebody buy him a 1 way ticket out of Baltimore, Ill pay for the first class upgrade.    

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

One thing I will say is that I wish the All-22 and replays were more readily available because fans get this idea that if a play doesn't work, it clearly means that they called a play that we don't like and use as the poster bad play.

For example, if the Ravens don't get pressure, it must mean they only rushed three. If a corner gets beat, he played 15 yards off in a soft zone coverage. 

And it is never the other team just simply making a play. No, we can never give credit to the other team.

It's like they don't realize that the other team is playing to win as well. 

[redrum52]

8 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

No doubt it hurt, but 2008 and 2010 playoffs have it beat.

One game to potentially go to the Super Bowl with a rookie QB, rookie coach, elite D, dominant 3 man rush attack (Mcgahee, McLain, Rice) after knocking off the #1 seed Titans. They won earlier that year to win the division with a similar BS play with Holmes catching the game winner at the 1.

And then a rematch in 2010 with a much improved QB jumping out to a huge lead once again in Pitt after going 12-4, choking that lead away was brutal as the crowd gets back into the game and then AB kills us with the dagger beating Webb. Then the Webb punt return gets called back and Boldin drops a TD pass.

Housh drops a 4th down.

 

This one sucked no doubt but we were an edge team, we were elite those years and they blocked us.

2011 divisional was the worst.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

It's like they don't realize that the other team is playing to win as well. 

Pees sent pressure all throughout that game.  Pass rush needs serious help.  We have no one beating individual matchups consistently.  Jernigan was a no show after the first quarter of the season.

[Purple_ICE 81]

The more and more that I look at the tape...The more and more that Eric Weddle looks like a bum....Maybe I'm just an optimist but dude needs to shave his beard and learn the ABCs of covering a receiver

[BmoreRavens732]

I just dont understand the "bend but dont break" philosophy from pees? Why play soft and safe and give up a massive amount of yards? I get the whole prevent zone coverage, but that last drive the D wasn't preventing anything except a win for there team! For me, the last drive consisted of 3 things. 1. Play to not let them in field goal range. They was only down by 3 so let the D hunt and finish the game right there for the team. No overtime! 2. If they happen to get into field goal range then you must absolutely do everything to not give up a TD since #1 has failed. And 3. IMO would be try to get turnovers! Weather its a pick, a fumble, or turnover on downs! Pees was calling it way to soft giving EVERYTHING up underneath. He wanted to keep everything in front which is understandable, but your giving up first down after first down and letting pit get out of bounds on will. Pitts Wr's are excellent RAC guys so why let them catch it and run underneath getting all the first downs working there way down field at ease? And what really blew my mind was Pitt had the ball around the 10 yard line, I believe 3rd and 6, pees leaves the middle of the field WIDE OPEN not even trying to prevent the first down, he was playing the end zone and said to hell with forcing 4th and making them tie the game up with a field goal. To me, that last first down is what sealed the game, because Pitt is way to good not to score inside the 5 yard line with a fresh set of downs. You guys may have your own opinion, and by all means please share, buy again, to me pees called a horrible game. Especially on the last drive! I understand players have to play and execute, I agree 100%, but if you dont put your guys in position to succeed how can they? My fiance doesn't know much about football so I had to explain my point like this when she asked how pees called terrible plays and the players didn't stop anything. I told her its 11 guys on offense and defense alike. If pitt goes 4 wide and pees calls an all out blitz and blitzes 8 guys then that only leaves 3 men in coverage! One of Pitts guys is gonna be wide open! How can you get mad at the players when the coordinator set them up for failure? They can't cover everybody. That 1 guy is free to do whatever. But knowing how pees thinks, he will trust the blitz to get there before Ben hits his hot receiver who's wide the hell open just like he trusts the sorry a** bend but dont break scheme that hasn't worked in the last 4 years!!! Who the hell in there right mind thinks its ok to give up first down after first down and yards after yards playing soft like that!? A prevent defense is more so to not give up the big play, but what's the point of being scared to give up a big play when your just allowing Pitt or whoever to take whatever they want in smaller chunks!? There gona get the yards regardless then! Pees is to busy playing [profanity deleted]ing scared and will blow the game in embarrassing fashion rather then to call the game the way you did when you was a top 3 defense! After all the countless games this man has blew over the years by playing the same [profanity deleted]ing scheme you would wonder when he realizes it doesn't work and never will!!! Please get rid of pees!!!

Edited December 27, 2016 by BmoreRavens732

[elfuego18]

Try to take as much positive as you want from this loss, but there is none. Time to find a completely new coaching staff, Top to Bottom!

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

It's like they don't realize that the other team is playing to win as well. 

You mean one of the best wide receivers and running backs in the game made a play? Color me surprised.

[Desert]

16 hours ago, The Raven said:

Jeff Zrebiec just tweeted that both Suggs and Jernigan failed to record a stat yesterday -- not even a tackle. I think I found the problem.

BINGO!

[GrimCoconut]

15 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wish PFF had posted how often the Ravens blitzed, but I noticed a fair amount of five man rushes, stunts, and loops, which really just speaks volumes to how poorly Pierce/Williams were doing. Those two are supposed to command a double team and dominate when left one on one, but neither did.

I have thought about this and while I still think we can do better I don't see any immediate improvements on this coaching staff.  Outside the organization there are names but I'm not sure they're really improvements since Bradley failed to get the most out of the defensive talent drafted there, which was better than ours lately. Pierce and Williams played poor in the last quarter of the season. 

14 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I don't know how PFF rated him for yesterday, but from my live eye, it looked like Williams had a terrible game.  I saw him being manhandled on numerous occasions.

Yeah, Williams hasn't played well since Miami. I'm not sure if he was playing hurt or just got exposed but he's been bad since that game and possibly earlier. It just became consistently bad after Miami and especially against NE. He was really exposed that game. 

14 hours ago, The Raven said:

To be honest, Williams played a terrible second half of the season. #UnpopularOpinion

I don't know about second half but definitely played terrible in the final quarter. Bill exposed him, I think, and other teams followed suit. 

[ByTheBay]

13 hours ago, Kilroy said:

We need an overhaul!  Starting with Harbaugh and offensive coordinator, QB coach, etc.  Harbaugh is getting too comfortable and running out of creativeness.  Although the team showed a bit of creativeness with new looks for defense towards late in the season, Raven's offensive plays have been very predictable.  Harbaugh doesn't manage time well, nor does he show any fire in his belly any more. 

Also, stop focusing on non-football activities during the season!! It's like watching soap operas with all the extra curricular activities by the team members or John.  Do it off season.  You didn't get hire to be a dancer, singer, or public figures - you were hired to play football and win!!   Team's lack of focus on the game from the top to bottom is problematic!!!  Their lack of focus and consistency was displayed during all the games!!  

Let's overhaul the program and hire some coaches and player who focus on the game during the season!!!

I don't understand why you were downvoted. One needs to simply look at Matt Elam and his decision to work at foot locker his rookie offseason instead of working on his football career as an example. What was he thinking and who is advising these young men? Waste of a first rounder if you ask me. Waste of talent too. Like most things in this world, some people work harder, longer to improve and get ahead while others are happy to just stay the same.  I think he thought getting drafted was the end and not the beginning.