Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

It's expected they'll get the benefit of officiating, they dont call this then they shouldn't of called the hold on Zutah. Ben chucks up a prayer to a kick returner and gets a gift PI on a non catchable pass to change the game but he gets the praise and Flacco is the one who just chucks it up hoping for PI

I thought the PI on Young was clear as day. 

[Tank 92]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought the PI on Young was clear as day. 

May have been, but we've seen similar as a no call numerous times because the ball was clearly uncatchable.

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

He was important no doubt, but the numbers are greatly exaggerated by the talent of the teams we played when he was out. And with any sort of a pass rush I gotta believe yesterday's 4th quarter meltdown doesn't happen. 

Because of what is invested we pretty much have to fly with him next year. Hopefully he has better fortune, but may just be one of those guys that can't stay on the field. I surely hope that isn't the case.  

Giants, Eagles and Bengals without AJ Green are two pretty dreadful offenses. There's a good mix of bad and good offenses in there.

I think if Jimmy is in the game, the fourth quarter meltdown doesn't happen. It's not just a corner swap. It's how you're able to play the rest of the secondary as well.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

May have been, but we've seen similar as a no call numerous times because the ball was clearly uncatchable.

I thought it was uncatchable at first, but after seeing the replay, he's running right under it if he isn't held.

[OUravensfan]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought it was uncatchable at first, but after seeing the replay, he's running right under it if he isn't held.

I can concede this one, the Zutah hold and the fact that 0 holding was called on them, Perriman getting blasted Burfict on AB style but Mosley getting the call were favorable for them.

By no means and I'm blaming the officials, and missed holds happen, when you have a dominate pass rush you give the refs multiple chances to make those calls, not one of 30. Zutah's play makes me more mad at him because it was a hold and it didn't need to happen, Zutah needs to be a backup next year.

[BmoreBird22]

14 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I can concede this one, the Zutah hold and the fact that 0 holding was called on them, Perriman getting blasted Burfict on AB style but Mosley getting the call were favorable for them.

By no means and I'm blaming the officials, and missed holds happen, when you have a dominate pass rush you give the refs multiple chances to make those calls, not one of 30. Zutah's play makes me more mad at him because it was a hold and it didn't need to happen, Zutah needs to be a backup next year.

I did feel there were a lot of missed holds on some of Bell's runs. He's so damn patient that the more the players have to hold their blocks, the more they ACTUALLY hold. I thought there were some missed ones, like on Bell's reverse field touchdown. 

With Zuttah, I just don't know where you're going to find better. I thought the hold was incredibly dumb, but what good centers are just out there when the Ravens may need a LG, too?

[Kid87]

Frustrating the offense and defense flipped.. offense was good and solid. That defense was crap in the 2nd half.. shareece  wright need to get cut..  we gotta draft another corner. That dline didn't show up

[Kid87]

I'll talk to yall come draft time.. happy new year 

[Tank 92]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought it was uncatchable at first, but after seeing the replay, he's running right under it if he isn't held.

Yeah, I rewatched it a couple of times as well and didn't see it that way. Didn't look like he impeded his progress down the field at all, in fact looked like the WR slowed a bit looking for the ball and made it look worse than it was. Looked to me he could have running out there by himself and wouldn't have had a chance to catch it. Like I said, I think we've seen the same play go as a no call many times. 

No matter, that wasn't what lost the game anyway. If you can't get pressure even the best DBs are going to get beat. And if Weddle were only 10 or 15 pounds heavier or maybe a bit more physical......... sigh.........

[Tank 92]

20 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I can concede this one, the Zutah hold and the fact that 0 holding was called on them, Perriman getting blasted Burfict on AB style but Mosley getting the call were favorable for them.

By no means and I'm blaming the officials, and missed holds happen, when you have a dominate pass rush you give the refs multiple chances to make those calls, not one of 30. Zutah's play makes me more mad at him because it was a hold and it didn't need to happen, Zutah needs to be a backup next year.

The Perriman hit/no call was just way too obvious. The ball was long gone and the guy blasted him in the head to boot. No way to rationalize that one. 

[OUravensfan]

51 minutes ago, ratedr said:

His receivers are also amazing at generating YAC, vs. our guys who fall down at the first tap of contact.

Very true, Ben had always had better WRs , if Flacco only had Steve in his prime, or Mason.

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I did feel there were a lot of missed holds on some of Bell's runs. He's so damn patient that the more the players have to hold their blocks, the more they ACTUALLY hold. I thought there were some missed ones, like on Bell's reverse field touchdown. 

With Zuttah, I just don't know where you're going to find better. I thought the hold was incredibly dumb, but what good centers are just out there when the Ravens may need a LG, too?

I thought this as well, looked like a block in the back on his one TD. When your team gets called for 0 holding that's pretty favorable.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Well guys, it has reared its ugly head again. 

You know the scene, a wide open receiver with 5 defenders all 10 yards away, but yet all in the tv camera view.

We have heard the term "Bend but dont Break" as the name of this defense, but another name for it should be the 4th Quarter meltdown defense.

Yes I know, several teams can play a zone defense well, but apparantly ours can not. 

Is it the scheme, or the players? Thoughts?

 

[Florida Ravens Fan]

11 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Well guys, it has reared its ugly head again. 

You know the scene, a wide open receiver with 5 defenders all 10 yards away, but yet all in the tv camera view.

We have heard the term "Bend but dont Break" as the name of this defense, but another name for it should be the 4th Quarter meltdown defense.

Yes I know, several teams can play a zone defense well, but apparantly ours can not. 

Is it the scheme, or the players? Thoughts?

 

It's both but that falls on coaching. We have seen this story play out for 3 years now. We had the lead twice and still lost. Didn't Pees have this reputation in New Egland of giving up leads? Anyways this team needs changes ans he should be replaced.

[Jonah DeVito]

Its almost physically impossible to hold a block as long as the Steelers linemen were to enable Bell to sit there and patiently pick which hole to go through. It's ridiculous that there was not a single holding call on them all game, I saw several. Also, idk why or how we had Mclellan in coverage in an obvious passing situation, which led to him being scored on. He's not a LB who I want covering a tight end one on one. 

[SteelerEmpire]

I could see the Ravens putting up 27 pts on the Steelers D, but not the Steelers putting up 31 on the Ravens...esp with the 2 picks by Ben - I thought this game was a rap in the Ravens favor . It's still apparent these two teams still bring out the best in each other. Don't know what the Steelers are gonna do with this W, but good game once again bros...  

Edited December 26, 2016 by SteelerEmpire

[OUravensfan]

4 minutes ago, SteelerEmpire said:

I could see the Ravens putting up 27 pts on the Steelers D, but not the Steelers putting up 31 on the Ravens...esp with the 2 picks by Ben - I thought this game was a rap in the Ravens favor . It's still apparent these two teams still bring out the best in each other. Don't know what the Steelers are gonna do with this W, but good game once again bros...  

You overestimated Dean Peas, I knew when we left multiple TDs on the field we would lose and you'd steel the game, classic Steeler steel last night.

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

Okay sorry - came in the middle of the convo. I also meant to say "1 of those 3 years" lol

No problem!

[OUravensfan]

Man I feel like someone close to me just died, lol

We all figured we were looking to next year after October, let's get better, the real run happens next year. Pending a miracle we weren't going to win the SB, obviously it was preferred to go, it's always preferred, but it is what it is. We know the mistakes and we have the checklist of needs, gear up for a long off season.

 

[Militant X 1]

24 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Man I feel like someone close to me just died, lol

We all figured we were looking to next year after October, let's get better, the real run happens next year. Pending a miracle we weren't going to win the SB, obviously it was preferred to go, it's always preferred, but it is what it is. We know the mistakes and we have the checklist of needs, gear up for a long off season.

 

I've said this all season and will say it again OU...."This Ravens team is not as good as we think they are or as we'd like for them to be!"  Their performance last night is proof positive of that.  Seems like Clifton Brown agrees with me...

In the end, watching the Steelers’ dangerous targets reminded several media members that the Ravens simply don’t have the playmakers to keep up. And, the search for said playmakers will continue this offseason.

“The Ravens wish they had that array of playmakers, but they don’t,” wrote CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown. “And unless the Ravens find a way to become a more explosive team offensively, the Steelers could continue to be the team to beat in the AFC North for the next several years.

I expect to see some major roster changes.

[bleedpurple889]

soft prevent defense prevents you from winning the game

[HoldingCall]

18 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

The Ugly: Those earlier losses that we should have won (at the very least) two or three of them.

The Bad: We just got beat. There's really no one or unit that cost us this one. We just got beaten on Christmas Day by a great play.

The Good: It was one of the "Great Games of the Season and Our Rivalry" - nobody can argue that.

The Reason for the Season: We've come back from one of the worst seasons ever, but we still have a little more of a way to go to get back to that top 8 team that wins Super Bowls. That said, I believe we're on an upward trajectory and shouldn't ever look back. That's the only Christmas Gift that I wanted to see (upward trajectory) when the 2016 schedule was announced.

Still Ravens for Life. 

Yelp! That's the way I see it too. The team is getting close but they are not their yet. Good post! 

[baroquenspirit]

10 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I've said this all season and will say it again OU...."This Ravens team is not as good as we think they are or as we'd like for them to be!"  Their performance last night is proof positive of that.  Seems like Clifton Brown agrees with me...

In the end, watching the Steelers’ dangerous targets reminded several media members that the Ravens simply don’t have the playmakers to keep up. And, the search for said playmakers will continue this offseason.

“The Ravens wish they had that array of playmakers, but they don’t,” wrote CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown. “And unless the Ravens find a way to become a more explosive team offensively, the Steelers could continue to be the team to beat in the AFC North for the next several years.

I expect to see some major roster changes.

I have nothing but respect for the Ravens. They have had the best of the Steelers over the last several years. They laid two losses on us last year without as strong of a team. They almost swept us again. If AB doesn't reach that ball over the line, this whole conversation is different. I do have to say this, Bell and Brown are big playmakers. But on that last drive, Jesse James, Eli Rogers, Ayers and Hamilton all caught balls. If Tom Brady did that, the commentators would be raving on and on about how he leads his team down the field with nobodies. Bad Ben came out early, but Ben was pretty darn awesome in the 4th Quarter. 

[Militant X 1]

1 minute ago, baroquenspirit said:

I have nothing but respect for the Ravens. They have had the best of the Steelers over the last several years. They laid two losses on us last year without as strong of a team. They almost swept us again. If AB doesn't reach that ball over the line, this whole conversation is different. I do have to say this, Bell and Brown are big playmakers. But on that last drive, Jesse James, Eli Rogers, Ayers and Hamilton all caught balls. If Tom Brady did that, the commentators would be raving on and on about how he leads his team down the field with nobodies. Bad Ben came out early, but Ben was pretty darn awesome in the 4th Quarter. 

That was due to the lack of "playmakers" in the pass rush...which was none existent.  Keep it real brah! 

[The Raven]

Jeff Zrebiec just tweeted that both Suggs and Jernigan failed to record a stat yesterday -- not even a tackle. I think I found the problem.

[redrum52]

3 hours ago, Kid87 said:

Frustrating the offense and defense flipped.. offense was good and solid. That defense was crap in the 2nd half.. shareece  wright need to get cut..  we gotta draft another corner. That dline didn't show up

Interior rush disappeared after the first quarter of the season and edge rush was never there.

[baroquenspirit]

18 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That was due to the lack of "playmakers" in the pass rush...which was none existent.  Keep it real brah! 

First time in a long time we have had a good and healthy offensive line stay together for the season. Linemen are not recognized as play makers...but those guys did their job very, very well. 

Edited December 26, 2016 by baroquenspirit

[gtalk12]

I enjoyed watching out LB's, I am very happy knowing they will be here for a long time and will only get better. Dixon is an absolute monster who refuses to go down. I hope he develops into a full time back. He would be at the head of a power running game. We can only hope

The Bad, no pressure.....NONE. Suggs is old and it isn't fair to expect him to be the main guy going for pressure. Same for Doom. Judon seemed to penetrate but they did not play him enough in my opinion. I need to see what Carl Davis when healthy is going to be able to do (when we first drafted him he seemed to be forcing his way into the backfield like some sort of man child) need to see that because Williams may not be here considering Timmy J is younger and may be asked to fill that spot (another guy who kind of trailed off considering the sacks he had at the beginning of the year) and possibly Pierce.

 

The Ugly, Jay Ajayi....I know I mentioned before that I like Dixon a lot. However during the draft a couple years ago we had many chances to draft Jay and we did not...He was originally going to be a 3rd round pick but he had a concern due to his knee.....As this game has taught us, a great RB can change the game and make plays happen for the QB by forcing the defense to come closer....feeding Jay would have helped Flacco tremendously in a year that both he and the WR's were inconsistent.

 

Super Ugly, we rely too much on Jimmy Smith. We need to find him some help because he seems to be missing in action a lot during the end of the year. It sucks because he's clearly the best player we have on D. T-Young is great but we need another DB to help. It was an accident of an injury but once again it's just too much sometimes. Could we consider moving him towards the back of the field? It seems a lot of you do not like Webb too much, however I did. Could you see Jimmy next to Weddle? ehh...

 

on to the draft

[redrum52]

44 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I've said this all season and will say it again OU...."This Ravens team is not as good as we think they are or as we'd like for them to be!"  Their performance last night is proof positive of that.  Seems like Clifton Brown agrees with me...

In the end, watching the Steelers’ dangerous targets reminded several media members that the Ravens simply don’t have the playmakers to keep up. And, the search for said playmakers will continue this offseason.

“The Ravens wish they had that array of playmakers, but they don’t,” wrote CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown. “And unless the Ravens find a way to become a more explosive team offensively, the Steelers could continue to be the team to beat in the AFC North for the next several years.

I expect to see some major roster changes.

Pass rush and secondary have to be targets this year.  That offense when Bryant is back will be monstrous.

[Militant X 1]

18 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Jeff Zrebiec just tweeted that both Suggs and Jernigan failed to record a stat yesterday -- not even a tackle. I think I found the problem.

A huge problem in my book.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

2 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Its almost physically impossible to hold a block as long as the Steelers linemen were to enable Bell to sit there and patiently pick which hole to go through. It's ridiculous that there was not a single holding call on them all game, I saw several. Also, idk why or how we had Mclellan in coverage in an obvious passing situation, which led to him being scored on. He's not a LB who I want covering a tight end one on one. 

Sounds like coaching