Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[jimmypowder]

I knew with a minute left that the Steelers would at least get a field goal .Why? 

Because Pees is horrific in the 4th quarter with leads . 

This game confirms that he must go along with Marty. 

Harbaugh is officially on the hot seat next year . 

Edited December 26, 2016 by jimmypowder

[Jillester]

1 hour ago, jimmypowder said:

I knew with a minute left that the Steelers would at least get a field goal .Why? 

Because Pees is horrific in the 4th quarter with leads . 

This game confirms that he must go along with Marty. 

Harbaugh is officially on the hot seat next year . 

As he should be!

[RayRayRaven]

10 hours ago, cnyravens said:

Time for a change!

Sorry but when we had players like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed we didn't choke away games on D like we do now!

Pees is awful.

time for a change sums it up nicely.  hes got 10 years in with 3 of last 4 failures.

[RayRayRaven]

1 hour ago, jimmypowder said:

I knew with a minute left that the Steelers would at least get a field goal .Why? 

Because Pees is horrific in the 4th quarter with leads . 

This game confirms that he must go along with Marty. 

Harbaugh is officially on the hot seat next year . 

the way the defense hadgiven up I knew juice had scored too quick. if he goes down we likely win.

[Nge2grads]

It was a dogfight, and just sad that the Ravens came up short.  They did make it an exciting game.  Flacco played well, and Juice was amazing.  So many almosts that could have padded the lead.  It was a darn shame that the D could not stop Pittsburgh during the last drive.  I am proud of our time for handling a good amount of adversity during the season and playing as a team.

I hope the Ravens come back strong next week against the Bengals.  

[RayRayRaven]

8 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

I thought he was out this game.  Did he play?

we let 21 points in during the 4th quarter without a turnover.  7 in the last minute eighteen. we lack depth and we lack good coachin.  Fire them all.  shredded on the ground the last two games. suggs moving like a snail, dumervil unable to get real pressue. when weddle and mosely couldn' stop brown at the goal line it was fitting end.  the lauded D looked comical. its time

[Cillmatic]

Albert McClellan is our starting OLB and we only pressured Ben 4 times... I think it's obvious what position needs to be addressed early.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Desert]

Ok, I have read through only half of this thread. NOW to you guys believe what I have said through out this year? 

The total lack of pass rush is KILLING this defense, You can't give quarterbacks that much time to look for receivers down field.

The most popular comment so far today has been the lack of performance all year by Doom and Suggs. Fix this position and we automatically have a better defense. It only took one more win this year to turn this thing around.

Yea, I'm pissed because of this outcome, but it is fixable. 

Desert

[Desert]

13 hours ago, HazDaGeneral said:

its obviously on old man suggs and doom they couldnt get no pressure what so ever 

 

13 hours ago, allblackraven said:

As soon as we change to zone the other team absolutely torches us. This hasn't happened for the first time, our coaches do that Crap every single game.

Our defensive line completely disappeared last 3 games. We have no pass rush whatsoever. Changes are needed for 2017 and I hope they are coming, starting with play callers on both sides of the ball. 

 

 

12 hours ago, OldToby said:

Such an overrated defense. Terrible, terrible. Idk if you put the blame on the play calling or the defensive players. Suggs allowed several big plays. The pass rush was NON EXISTENT. 

 

12 hours ago, codizzle said:

Please find a pass rusher 

 

12 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

We need a pass rusher so bad. Suggs/Doom ain't getting it done consistently against the good Tackles at this stage in their careers.

We desperately need someone who can win 1 on 1 off the edge. Rushing 4 is so pointless against any decent OL.

 

12 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

Us losing could be a blessing. This game made it very evident we need more talent at the edge and corner back positions. Getting a top 20 pick will benefit us in the long run. Just asking way too much of Suggs at this point in his career. Peas needs to take the fall for the late season collapse of the defense.

 

12 hours ago, Edug27 said:

Wallace

SSS (retire)

Wright

Webb

Suggs (retire or cut)

Doom

... all need to be gone. Time to rebuild the WR, secondary and pass rushing group. You have pieces to start building the o-line. I love the LB'er tandem in Orr and Mosley. You need a ball hawker beside Weddle. Completely rebuild the wideout group. Wallace provides little if he's not catching deep balls. We need sure handed chain movers. Dixon needs to be the feature back. Enough of this 2 back rotation. You can't count on Jimmy to play a full season or suit up for big games, so corners are a huge need. 

 

 

12 hours ago, cnyravens said:

They flat out lost to a better team!

Should have lost last week to the Eagles!

Sorry but Suggs is toast as is Dummerville.

And please stop with Jimmy Smith out being an excuse.

This team is a shell of what classic Raven teams used to exemplify.

Ray Lewis must be sick to his stomach.

Harbaugh and the coaching staff needs to go.

Play NOT to lose and you lose every time!

 

12 hours ago, HoldingCall said:

Suggs was seen on the sideline early having his arm attended to or examined. Probably still injured! 

 

12 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

 

No significant pass rush.  2nd game in a row where our D couldn't stop the run.  Aiken can't get his head around because he lacks awareness. Perriman drops a ball and then double clutches next catch.  All pro long snapper airmails a snap. Bad Joe looks awful on checkdowns, but throws like a champ downfield.  Williams and Jernigan essentially disappear. Suggs looks like a snail.  Waller drops a TD ball.  Just wasn't our day, but if we don't absolutely clean house Harbs, Newsome the whole works I'll be disappointed because we are not sitting on a playoff team for next year or near years to come. I'll leave it on the Bengals outcome, if and only if we win, Harbs can stay.

 

12 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Neither Suggs or Doom should be on this team next year. They are done.

Put a fork in them . Sadly . 

 

12 hours ago, ratedr said:

Suggs should've never been extended. I believed that at the time and it continues to be confirmed.

 

11 hours ago, perryhall said:

If you watched every ravens game this year, you know that they just played their second best game of the year. It was a great game to watch. Unlike many of their victories which are pretty ugly. 

The defense did collapse at the end of this game. It s highly doubtful this would have happened if Jimmy Smith played today. 

The defense isn't to blame for the season they had. Some say the high ranking for this defense isn't accurate in view of the competition yet the offense played the same competition and was ranked 29th . In this game the defense which did collapse in the end ,gave the offense every opportunity to score many more points. 

The defense needs to improve some,specifically pass rushing and one more corner.  However,the offense needs to improve dramatically. 

Ok, I have read through only half of this thread. NOW to you guys believe what I have said through out this year? 

The total lack of pass rush is KILLING this defense, You can't give quarterbacks that much time to look for receivers down field.

The most popular comment so far today has been the lack of performance all year by Doom and Suggs. Fix this position and we automatically have a better defense. It only took one more win this year to turn this thing around.

Yea, I'm pissed because of this outcome, but it is fixable. 

Desert

PS: sorry for the double post

[ratedr]

7 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

I see people talking about needing to restructure Joes contract. Really people need to look at Jimmys. If you factor in "actual games played" he's the highest paid corner in the league. That needs to be addressed in the offseason for sure. He's a great player yes, but given return on your investment not so much. CB, and a #1 CB needs to be a top priority in the offseason. Young has played great but it just screams #2 on the depth chart guy. Which is fine and great WHEN Jimmy can play. Powers and Wright have proven they should be at the bottom of the depth chart. Gotta either draft someone in the 1st or 2nd(preferably) or look at FA. 

 

I've said this forever. Jimmy isn't top 5, maybe not even top 10 at his position, and he's extremely unreliable. You know that he's going to miss at least 5 games a year. He should've never been paid.

[ravensdfan]

8 hours ago, drillem said:

How did the defense fold like a cheap suit in the 4th quarter after such a decent 3 quarters?  Something smells to high heaven.

You act like this is a new thing.

8 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I get the anger towards Pees, but he tried sending pressure and it still sidnt get their.  Our pass rush the past two years has been severely lacking.  Many have said throughout that would be a problem.  If you cant generate pressure you're done.

Again, 5 seasons, same issues, same excuses. This really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the pass rush when Bell went through them like butter as well. Pees just isn't the answer. Period. And we'll get the same old story - blown leads and going nowhere - as long as he is here. That is just already proven.

Edited December 26, 2016 by ravensdfan

[January J]

Alright - so after rewatching  game minus all the emotion so I could be a little more objective these are my thoughts: 

GOOD

FLACCO-  anybody that says this loss is on flacco is out  of their damn mind. This man played 4 quarters of nearly mistake free football. He had several passes dropped- including two potential TDs( although the waller drop was a pretty good play be the defender) but he played his butt off and his team let him down. Several receivers failed to make plays- and he still managed to give us the lead twice. He led a METHODICAL drive in a hostile environment with the division on the line - milked about 6 minutes of clock and then gave us the lead once again only for the defense to give it up. Joe came through in the clutch when it counted- and had we taken about 30 more seconds off the clock we probably would be celebrating right now- and at worse it would've went into OT.

JUICE- what can you say about this guy? He proved why he was selected to the probowl last night. He played well all game - but that last drive was pretty much ALL him and Joe. He picked up block after block, caught a few key catches- and then punched in the potential game winner with sheer will. He bull dozed his guy and was not going to be denied. In hindsight we can wish he would've fallen down inside the 3 so we could milk an additional 30-45 seconds...but with the way we struggle to find the endzone sometimes he did what he had to do..and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to rely on our D right there to atleast hold them to a FG.. Juice should be the hero right now- and I'm extremely dissapointed for him that he didn't get to be.

STEVE SR. - he knew this was his last shot at the postseason and he gave it everything he had. He showed these Horses reares that at 37 - YES he can still play. Crucial diving TD catch and crucial 2 pt conversion. Im more upset for him than anybody - he didn't deserve to go out like this- but not everybody can ride off into the sunset with a ring...but regardless he damn sure went out giving every inch of his body and soul. I pray that he gives it one more year- but I could see it on his face as he walked off the feild that this was it. True Raven foir life.

DIXON- Several key first downs...didn't get the ball a whole lot but he seems to make something out of nothing every time he touches it. He is a beast and just refused to go down. Numerous times it took about 5 Pitt. Defenders to slow him dowm- and he still wouldn't go down and kept moving the pile. This guy is someone to be excited about ..and he is for sure our future work horse.

PITTA- had a few balls that could've been reeled in and been huge but they were very tough catches. Other than that he overall played a very solid game and converted some key first downs.

CAMP- another big play on offense- and played smart mistake free football on punt return duty. Nothing special but he did what he had to do and didn't put us in any bad situations out there. He made Hester look like a rookie.. And its a shame we couldn't have camp out there all year...he might have helped us get another win or two as feild position is EVERYTHING.

ORR & MOSLEY- what a dynamic duo. These guys are going to wreak havoc next year. Two crucial key interceptions that could have very well been the difference. In a lackluster performance by the defense- these two stood out for obvious reasons. Orr should be in the pro bowl - but again we've got something to look forward to with these two.

OFFENSIVE LINE- I thought this was gonna be trouble early on- but they stepped it up and kept Joe pretty clean for the most part. He had more time to throw than usual..not sure why we didn't take any deep shots. When Wagner went out and Hurst came in I thought we were certainly done- but surprisingly they held up. Not sure how Stanley did individually but I didn't hear Harrison's name much so I assume he did much better than last time he faced him.

TUCKER- nothing to say here. Mr. Automatic.

 

BAD

 

Cox- uncharacteristic bad snap on feild goal attempt. The wolfpack has been nearly perfect but it figures the one time they mess up is with the division on the line. Koch could've still maybe gotten it down but it def wasnt his fault- cold slick ball.

D-line- no pressure whatsoever- gave Ben all day to throw and that's a recipe for disaster. Bell also just punched it down their throat. After that first drive I thought we were in real trouble- but they settled down a bit. But ultimately they got beat and exposed once again just like in philly. Poor tackling . bell is on another level but after holding him to 32 yards previously ii thought we could maybe do it again. Thought wrong.

PEES- horrible game plan. I don't know what it was- but esp in the 4th quarter its like as soon as we get the lead we start playing conservative and scared. Its like we're trying so hard to prevent the big splash play that we just give them all the cushion in the world and let them dink and dunk all over us. Bell and brown juked our defenders out of their cleats several times, and if we wouldbe wrapped brown up on that last play and not let him stick that arm out- I'm not so sure they would've gotten another play off. Could've been game over. Instead brown beats 3 or 4 of our defenders and one foot ends up being the difference. It truly is a game of inches.

the secondary didn't play horribly considering- esp w/o jimmy. But like I said it was pees soft play calling that lost us the game. I don't know the play calls so I can't say this with certainty- that's just what my gut and eye test tell me. 

Wallace- thought he would show up in this game and look to destroy his old team- but this time he was nowhere to be found. Don't think he made one significant play. Oh well. He's done a lot this year- just not when we needed it the most.

zuttah- once again we get a big run by Dixon and have a potential first down inside the 8 and it gets negated by a holding penalty. I think we ended up having to resort to a FG that drive...might've been the one that was blocked...so again- one play could've been the difference. Yeah it happens- I'm just sick of this dude. I think we will be looking for another center next year.

Refs- not too much to complain about except one call. They get us for a hit on a defensless receiver-- then a nearly identical play happens to perriman and whatdoyaknow? No call. Didn't make a difference though- and perriman came right back on the very next play and caught a crucial first down. Gutsy call but good play by the young kid to bounce back like that.

MOORE- was he even active? What a disappointment. Really expected him to make an impact on offense this year and he just hasn't done anything.  Hopefully he bounces back next year.

 

UGLY

 

defense allowing 21 points in the fourth quarter and giving the game away. That's about it.

 

CLASSIC ravens steelers. Just a shame we came out on the wrong end. I predicted the score exactly right just had us winning lol.  Gonna take a long while to get over this one- and made me sick to watch them celebrate on their home field. Didn't let it ruin my xmas tho. And boy if we didn't give them a good scare.we had them Steeler fans pissin in their pants. Just wish we could've milked another 45 seconds. Chin up ravens nation. Weve got alot to be excited about for next year- and this has been a huge improvement from last year any way you look at it. Need a few more pass rushers , another slot cb and a new center ( and WR depending on what Steve does) and we will have a very scary team. Dixon is gonna be huge guys. We need to bolster our line. Really a Lack of pass rush was our only missing ingredient and ended up being our downfall.  Doom is done and suggs has got 1 year left. Lotta young talent to be excited about.  Anyway-  we fought our tails off and literally came up an inch short. It happens. But we'll be back. Hoping Steve sr. Gives us 1 more year but regardless the flock will come back stronger than ever and I have no doubt that next year is our time.

 

[Militant X 1]

6 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Tell your friends Joe Flacco put his team in a position to win the game with 78 seconds left in a road game against a good defensive team in a hostile environment and in a game we had to win to remain alive in the playoff hunt. We lost because ........ our defense could not protect a 10 point lead going into the final quarter and surrendered 3 TDs. We spotted the Steelers 7, our offense posted 27 points and left another 11 points on the field and our highly vaunted defense folded when it counted. It speaks volumes that The Baltimore Ravens sent 4 players to the Pro Bowl but only 1 was a defensive player - C.J.. No, its time the Wizard of Oz follows the yellow brick road out of town and takes some of the coaches with him. If its true that the players of today are bigger, stronger and faster than the players of yesteryear as some of our fans insist, then we should start drafting some of these speedy behemoths. I agree with your rationale but I do not agree with your friends' assessment of Joe's performance as a starting QB. He rose to the occasion like I hoped he would and did a phenomenal job. I only wish he could snap on FGs and catch his own throws in the end zone. 

I don't have to tell my friends anything.  They are watching these games just like us Frozen.  And as of now, their assessment is right cause the Ravens have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.  I get that you feel a need and want to "defend" Joe Flacco here but that is really not necessary or the point of the post. I already said that this loss wasn't on Joe. My friends statements of Flacco's inability to lead the Ravens to the playoffs was in connection with the departures and absence of both Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and their type of leadership that they provided for the Ravens franchise over the years and not solely about his skill set.

 

 

[ratedr]

30 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

You act like this is a new thing.

Again, 5 seasons, same issues, same excuses. This really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the pass rush when Bell went through them like butter as well. Pees just isn't the answer. Period. And we'll get the same old story - blown leads and going nowhere - as long as he is here. That is just already proven.

Pees just sucks. Darian Stewart was a total bum here but now he's a Pro Bowler. Powers was good when be was part of Arizona's top-ranked unit but suddenly he's trash. Pees only knows how to scheme for HOFers apparently.

And LOL @ my Jimmy comment upthread getting negged. Nothing I said was untrue.

Edited December 26, 2016 by ratedr

[jimmypowder]

There is more than a pattern to these 4th quarter defensive meltdowns and no its not the conditioning of the players. 

Pees is simply a bad 4th quarter play caller. Its as simple as that. 

It is time for him to find another job. 

 

 

[ravensdfan]

31 minutes ago, ratedr said:

Pees just sucks. Darian Stewart was a total bum here but now he's a Pro Bowler. Powers was good when be was part of Arizona's top-ranked unit but suddenly he's trash. Pees only knows how to scheme for HOFers apparently.

And LOL @ my Jimmy comment upthread getting negged. Nothing I said was untrue.

He's a protected entity with a lot of posters here - after all his injuries are the Pees' crowd favorite excuse. That is kind of blown if he isn't the bomb. lol

[DWplayer]

14 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

As angry as I am, I'm proud of my Ravens, already looking forward to next season. 

You should be. Typical classic Raven-Steelers game. I used to despise the Ravens. But as time goes and watching these two teams go at it, It's impossible to hate the Ravens. Now Cincinnati is a different story.

[ravensdfan]

39 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I don't have to tell my friends anything.  They are watching these games just like us Frozen.  And as of now, their assessment is right cause the Ravens have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.  I get that you feel a need and want to "defend" Joe Flacco here but that is really not necessary or the point of the post. I already said that this loss wasn't on Joe. My friends statements of Flacco's inability to lead the Ravens to the playoffs was in connection with the departures and absence of both Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and their type of leadership that they provided for the Ravens franchise over the years and not solely about his skill set.

 

 

Ed Reed & Ray weren't coaching up the offense so their leadership isn't missed on that end IMO. And 3 of those years Joe spent over half on the sidelines so kind of have to throw that one out. He was horrible the beginning of this season, but he was recovering from a serious injury and in watching him I truly believe that played with his mentality. He looked like he was seeing phantoms out there, but he improved later in the season. I also think playing with a leg brace all year had some effect as well. But having any discussion at this time, for this year, for this game that involves some lack in Flacco is absurd. This loss is a pure defensive collapse period, 21 pts in the 4th quarter, one with just over a minute to play and your offense just gave you the lead - again. Flacco came through in the clutch - this defense & Pees failed - again.

Edited December 26, 2016 by ravensdfan

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ratedr said:

I've said this forever. Jimmy isn't top 5, maybe not even top 10 at his position, and he's extremely unreliable. You know that he's going to miss at least 5 games a year. He should've never been paid.

You want to let him walk? What's your backup plan?

[BmoreBird22]

59 minutes ago, ratedr said:

And LOL @ my Jimmy comment upthread getting negged. Nothing I said was untrue.

It's pretty well an opinion, so I mean... it can't be correct or incorrect. 

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

He's a protected entity with a lot of posters here - after all his injuries are the Pees' crowd favorite excuse. That is kind of blown if he isn't the bomb. lol

Well, this season especially, there is a clear contrast with and without Jimmy. We totaled it up in a different thread, bht the yardage and point differentials are staggering. He's the most important player on the defense.

[ratedr]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You want to let him walk? What's your backup plan?

What's the difference between letting him walk and the current state? As I said he's good to miss at least five games a year, and hasn't been healthy for a big game since week 17 @CIN in 2013. And he's solid on the rare occasion he's actually healthy, but this fanbase acts like he's a prime Darrelle Revis.

Edited December 26, 2016 by ratedr

[Tank 92]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, this season especially, there is a clear contrast with and without Jimmy. We totaled it up in a different thread, bht the yardage and point differentials are staggering. He's the most important player on the defense.

He was important no doubt, but the numbers are greatly exaggerated by the talent of the teams we played when he was out. And with any sort of a pass rush I gotta believe yesterday's 4th quarter meltdown doesn't happen. 

Because of what is invested we pretty much have to fly with him next year. Hopefully he has better fortune, but may just be one of those guys that can't stay on the field. I surely hope that isn't the case.  

[Militant X 1]

2 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Ed Reed & Ray weren't coaching up the offense so their leadership isn't missed on that end IMO. And 3 of those years Joe spent over half on the sidelines so kind of have to throw that one out. He was horrible the beginning of this season, but he was recovering from a serious injury and in watching him I truly believe that played with his mentality. He looked like he was seeing phantoms out there, but he improved later in the season. I also think playing with a leg brace all year had some effect as well. But having any discussion at this time, for this year, for this game that involves some lack in Flacco is absurd. This loss is a pure defensive collapse period, 21 pts in the 4th quarter, one with just over a minute to play and your offense just gave you the lead - again. Flacco came through in the clutch - this defense & Pees failed - again.

You've missed the point entirely.

[OUravensfan]

@rmcjacket23 I think this game is another good illustration of how terrible and misleading the traditional passer rating (qbr is awful too) is, icing on the cake is Ben getting a 103 rating, just irks me. I thought he was terrible last night and extremely fortunate we gifted him 7 easy passes to end the game. Because he doesn't have to pass to run like we did he benefits, all the emphasis is on YPA and CP.

[ratedr]

5 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

@rmcjacket23 I think this game is another good illustration of how terrible and misleading the traditional passer rating (qbr is awful too) is, icing on the cake is Ben getting a 103 rating, just irks me. I thought he was terrible last night and extremely fortunate we gifted him 7 easy passes to end the game. Because he doesn't have to pass to run like we did he benefits, all the emphasis is on YPA and CP.

His receivers are also amazing at generating YAC, vs. our guys who fall down at the first tap of contact.

[ravensdfan]

14 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

You've missed the point entirely.

Okay sorry - came in the middle of the convo. I also meant to say "1 of those 3 years" lol

[OUravensfan]

9 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Found the pass rush on the first Steelers TD...

It's expected they'll get the benefit of officiating, they dont call this then they shouldn't of called the hold on Zutah. Ben chucks up a prayer to a kick returner and gets a gift PI on a non catchable pass to change the game but he gets the praise and Flacco is the one who just chucks it up hoping for PI

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

It's expected they'll get the benefit of officiating, they dont call this then they shouldn't of called the hold on Zutah. Ben chucks up a prayer to a kick returner and gets a gift PI on a non catchable pass to change the game but he gets the praise and Flacco is the one who just chucks it up hoping for PI

Yeah, no question the officiating was more than sketchy. There was mucho holding going on that wasn't called and it's hard to say that they just "missed the calls", especially in light of the ones called against the Ravens.  But it's always been that way when playing steelers, patsies, etc. and I doubt it will ever change. 

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, ratedr said:

What's the difference between letting him walk and the current state? As I said he's good to miss at least five games a year, and hasn't been healthy for a big game since week 17 @CIN in 2013. And he's solid on the rare occasion he's actually healthy, but this fanbase acts like he's a prime Darrelle Revis.

So letting him walk because he misses four to five games is equivelent to missing him for 16....? Got it.