Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[HazDaGeneral]

Jim Corbett 

 

✔@ByJimCorbett

Unsung heroes of Steelers Christmas miracle AFC North comeback clincher -- an offensive line that made Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil vanish.

8:01 PM - 25 Dec 2016

 

man these guys are done......they couldn't get any pressure and when they were close couldn't make the tackles

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

I've seen numerous people say fire Ozzie

Even with his bad draft this team trended in the right direction this season

[chunkywill25]

Let's drop some money in free agency..  can't address everything in 1 draft

[BNat]

Fire this fan base...jeez it was a highly contested game that could of gone either way.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

We're usually on the same page, but I have to completely disagree here. We're talking about Flacco recovering and actually coming back early from a major knee injury early in the season. Yes his mechanics were shot early on, but over the last 4-5 games of the season Flacco's mechanics has been really good and he's looked like one of the better QBs in the NFL save the NE game. I remember in the first half of the season just counting how many times Joe wouldn't step into throws was every game thing for me, now I don't even concern myself with it. 

Once the knee became a non issue for Joe he's been playing very well and has been lights out over the last 4 games. 119/173 68% 1173yds 9TDs 4Ints and that doesn't include plays not made like Wallers not catching a easy TD this game. Has 5 been perfect no, but he's been lights out and has put this team in position to win and Marty has a lot to do with that. 

If Joe's mechanics are your main basis for Marty not getting a full offseason with this offseason than I think it's you my friend that's off bases here. Tell me he's not running the ball enough, tell me the red zone offense isn't good enough, tell me he's not attacking defenses well enough,tell me episodes like SSS and Wallace throwing their helmets in back to back weeks is a sign that players aren't buying in but Flacco's mechanics? I can't get behind that. 

That was more of an additional point.  His nearly complete ineptitude as an OC would be my main basis, but that was really thrown in there to illustrate that he really hasn't done anything of note for this team.

I would disagree that his mechanics have been consistently good in the past few weeks.  We've seen plenty of poor footwork and back foot Joe.

In general though, I just don't know what Marty offers to this team.  I think there's a clear disconnect between him and a large majority of the people he's currently working with.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Let's be honest our drafts lately have been pretty bad. I understand and am realistic that we are not going to get a "star" every draft. But really who have we drafted that has had a major impact the past couple of years? Although Stanley seems promising. 

[jar2260]

I'm sorry, the loss was to the credit of the defensive coaches, that winning drive we played much to soft, gave up to many short passes and allowed the receivers to get out of bounds! We could have won with tough defense!!

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

That was more of an additional point.  His nearly complete ineptitude as an OC would be my main basis, but that was really thrown in there to illustrate that he really hasn't done anything of note for this team.

I would disagree that his mechanics have been consistently good in the past few weeks.  We've seen plenty of poor footwork and back foot Joe.

In general though, I just don't know what Marty offers to this team.  I think there's a clear disconnect between him and a large majority of the people he's currently working with.

There will always be instances where Joe has poort footwork that's who he is. Go back and watch him throughout his career and I don't care who the QB coach is, Hue, Zorn, Kubes or whoever, you'll see cases where Joe missed throwed because of poor footwork. He's 6'6 his mechanics will be poor from time to time because it's tougher for a taller QB to stay true with his mechanics consistently. Hell just look at both of Ben's ints this game, his mechanics were poor. So asking a tall QB to have perfect mechanics just isn't gonna happen. 

You'll have to show me where the disconnect is because I haven't seen it. Even with the so called worse play ever, what did Flacco say. I just thought Marty was given me a chance to have 4 TDs, i didn't see a problem with the call, I just need to execute better. Where's the disconnect? If we're talking disconnect between him and other coaches, that just comes from making a midseason change, which is exactly why he deserves a full offseason to implement his vision for this offense. 

Are there things I'd love to see improved offensively? Of course, but unless you can show me a proven OC that will take his place, Marty should be the OC moving forward. 

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

There will always be instances where Joe has poort footwork that's who he is. Go back and watch him throughout his career and I don't care who the QB coach is, Hue, Zorn, Kubes or whoever, you'll see cases where Joe missed throwed because of poor footwork. He's 6'6 his mechanics will be poor from time to time because it's tougher for a taller QB to stay true with his mechanics consistently. Hell just look at both of Ben's ints this game, his mechanics were poor. So asking a tall QB to have perfect mechanics just isn't gonna happen. 

You'll have to show me where the disconnect is because I haven't seen it. Even with the so called worse play ever, what did Flacco say. I just thought Marty was given me a chance to have 4 TDs, i didn't see a problem with the call, I just need to execute better. Where's the disconnect? If we're talking disconnect between him and other coaches, that just comes from making a midseason change, which is exactly why he deserves a full offseason to implement his vision for this offense. 

Are there things I'd love to see improved offensively? Of course, but unless you can show me a proven OC that will take his place, Marty should be the OC moving forward. 

We'll just have to agree to disagree here.  I've seen nothing but abject failure from Marty.  The same issues that plagued us early in the season still persist even this week.  It's not a playbook issue.  It's a decision making issue with him.

I just don't see any way that Marty should be considered.  It doesn't make us a better team, and I think it's more than likely going to result in a similar offensive performance that we've seen this year than it is some big change that propels this offense.  He's given me no reason to think otherwise.

As far as the disconnect, it's pretty clear to me.  Flacco called him out for being conservative.  Harbaugh went as far as to call him out in his presser after the "worst call of all time."  They've panned numerous times to Harbaugh shaking his head on TV after a play call.  I think there are definitely some tensions in the building.

Edited December 26, 2016 by rmw10

[PuRock]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

We'll just have to agree to disagree here.  I've seen nothing but abject failure from Marty.  The same issues that plagued us early in the season still persist even this week.  It's not a playbook issue.  It's a decision making issue with him.

I just don't see any way that Marty should be considered.  It doesn't make us a better team, and I think it's more than likely going to result in a similar offensive performance that we've seen this year than it is some big change that propels this offense.  He's given me no reason to think otherwise.

As far as the disconnect, it's pretty clear to me.  Flacco called him out for being conservative.  Harbaugh went as far as to call him out in his presser after the "worst call of all time."  They've panned numerous times to Harbaugh shaking his head on TV after a play call.  I think there are definitely some tensions in the building.

I can't see us bringing back Marty either.  But knowing the Ravens they might.  Marty gets a semi-pass for two reasons.  One - we need consistency out of the O-cord position and two, this really wasn't his offense. 

But with that being said.  I agree with you that he showed absolutely nothing with his output.  His play calling was more on the frustrating side than promising.  Marty coming from the school of Andy Reid is just not what this offense needs.  Neither was Trestman.  They need to get these coordinator hires right.  While it might seem the coordinator is always the scapegoat, it still has some merit.  The guys we bring in just aren't fits for the pieces we have. Our O-Cord is just as important as the HC in this organization and we need to treat it such and not waste it on flame-outs.  

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

We'll just have to agree to disagree here.  I've seen nothing but abject failure from Marty.  The same issues that plagued us early in the season still persist even this week.  It's not a playbook issue.  It's a decision making issue with him.

I just don't see any way that Marty should be considered.  It doesn't make us a better team, and I think it's more than likely going to result in a similar offensive performance that we've seen this year than it is some big change that propels this offense.  He's given me no reason to think otherwise.

Let me ask you this, what was the difference between the Steelers offense and the Ravens offense tonight?

[codizzle]

17 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:

Let's be honest our drafts lately have been pretty bad. I understand and am realistic that we are not going to get a "star" every draft. But really who have we drafted that has had a major impact the past couple of years? Although Stanley seems promising. 

Well.. 

Ravens starting LT number one CB and leading rusher in this game were all rookies 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Let me ask you this, what was the difference between the Steelers offense and the Ravens offense tonight?

See, I don't think tonight should be the barometer.  He called a pretty good game tonight, but that doesn't excuse the awfulness of what we've seen from him in the past.  I mean, that Patriots game plan was among the worst I've ever seen.  He had 0 answers and made 0 adjustments.  If you consider tonight his best game and the Patriots game his worst game, most of his other games are closer to that Patriots game in his tenure as our OC.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

5 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Well.. 

Ravens starting LT number one CB and leading rusher in this game were all rookies 

Mentioned Stanley. Dixon looks promising, tayvon, Lewis etc.. meant in general the previous drafts. Mosely is good not great. I really can't think right now im still pissed lol. We have neglected the WR and CB position far too long and we see the results. Perriman gets a break this being his first season.

[PuRock]

Ozzie got the heat off a little with the 2016 draft.  Stanley, Lewis, Dixon, Young, and Judon are looking like bright spots in our future.  But Ozzie has had his struggles in recent years.  Especially near the top of the draft and when it comes to skilled players.  Nowadays he's at his best finding great role players and not game breakers.

He has shown off some decent skill in free agency.  He'll need to do it again in 2017.  But IMO, he really needs to get a splash player in the draft.    

[codizzle]

9 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:

Mentioned Stanley. Dixon looks promising, tayvon, Lewis etc.. meant in general the previous drafts. Mosely is good not great. I really can't think right now im still pissed lol. We have neglected the WR and CB position far too long and we see the results. Perriman gets a break this being his first season.

Drafting has been okay.. Ravens just haven't hit anything big as far as playmakers 

it's great to hit with the Williams mosleys wagners juice etc but you got to have a Hopkins dez Bell Antonio brown type player sometime.. Ravens haven't had one since ray rice 

[Moderator 2]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

I'm so conflicted.  I seriously think the Steelers have more talent than we do BUT we always play them so  close.  Is it possible that Tomlin is not that good?  I think they should have beaten us much worse.

You and I have both been around long enough  to know you go to the Steeler forums to read after a season like this and it's just as bad or worse -- the teams mirror each other and as much as we hate to admit it  the fan bases mirror each other-- Tomlin has been arounder then Harbaugh.  It was a great playoff run from 2008 until the SuperBowl win,  no it feels like forever since the team was in the playoffs and it does suck.  Billick always said a head coach has a shelf life of 7 years and this article suggests less maybe a topic for the long  sucky offseason Coaching shelf life

[baroquenspirit]

Yes. Please fire your head coach. He built his team to beat the Steelers and in the last few years is 10-6 against us. He won 4 of the last 5 meetings. He won 4 of the last 7 in our house. He won the last playoff game in Pittsburgh.  He made today a nightmare. Yes. Please fire him. 

[jboy19]

To add insult to injury, the only AFC teams that have ever eliminated the Pats in the Brady-era (Broncos 3x, Ravens 2x, Jets and Colts) are all eliminated assuming that the Chiefs win tonight. 

[baroquenspirit]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

To add insult to injury, the only AFC teams that have ever eliminated the Pats in the Brady-era (Broncos 3x, Ravens 2x, Jets and Colts) are all eliminated assuming that the Chiefs win tonight. 

The Raiders may have had a shot but Carr's injury ended that. 

[PuRock]

Just now, jboy19 said:

To add insult to injury, the only AFC teams that have ever eliminated the Pats in the Brady-era (Broncos 3x, Ravens 2x, Jets and Colts) are all eliminated assuming that the Chiefs win tonight. 

Let's go Cheifs!  

Just like we know a tough loss/(maybe win) is inevitable when we are up two scores in the 4th, its seems inevitable that either the Patriots or Steelers will be representing the AFC in the Super Bowl again.  It's sickening.  If it goes to a Steelers-Pats AFC championship team, I'm sort of lost as to who I want to win.  At least only one of them can go to the SB.  

This is almost as bad as the time we lost to the Steelers in the AFC championship game only to send the Steelers to the SB.  Ugh. 

[PuRock]

2 minutes ago, baroquenspirit said:

The Raiders may have had a shot but Carr's injury ended that. 

That is such a bummer.  It was nice to see some fresh exciting blood in the playoffs.  Instead the NFL product is giving us plenty of crappy AFC teams to root for against the machine.  

[Moderator 3]

6 minutes ago, baroquenspirit said:

Yes. Please fire your head coach. He built his team to beat the Steelers and in the last few years is 10-6 against us. He won 4 of the last 5 meetings. He won 4 of the last 7 in our house. He won the last playoff game in Pittsburgh.  He made today a nightmare. Yes. Please fire him. 

Thanks, we needed that.

[redrum52]

Dixon looks like he may be a future lead back.  He impressed the hell out of me.

[jboy19]

7 minutes ago, baroquenspirit said:

The Raiders may have had a shot but Carr's injury ended that. 

Never thought I'd see Matt Moore, Matt McGloin and Tom Savage as starting QBs in the playoffs haha. 

[PuRock]

Well some good news is that the Steelers are probably going to have to invest a lot of money in their RB after the season.  He's going to finish the season strong going into unrestricted FA.  And he wants to be paid.  

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Cville-Raven said:

I've seen numerous people say fire Ozzie

That might be a bit over the top but he needs to adjust, as well. Get in some serious talent rather than keep hoarding the picks

[PuRock]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

Never thought I'd see Matt Moore, Matt McGloin and Tom Savage as starting QBs in the playoffs haha. 

It is music to Pats and Steelers ears. That is why you just want a ticket to the dance.  You have a bunch of teams with little playoff experience and backup quarterbacks.  This AFC playoffs all you need is one big win against the Pats or Steelers and the rest of the path is easier to the SB.  

[Somerset Ravens]

This loss hurts. The offense played well overall but dropped touchdowns by Pitta and Waller along with a holding penalty by Zuttah that took away a first and goal spoiled what could have been a special night for the offense.

The lack of pass rush killed us today. I agree Suggs and Dumervil did applied very little pressure but what about Jernigan, Guy, Pierce, Williams, Urban,etc. ?  Our d-line was pathetic rushing the passer.

That last score by Pittsburgh was gut wrenching. I am still wondering how Weddle and Mosley could not keep a 5' 10" 180 pound receiver out of the end zone.

We had so many chances to win this game but could not do it.

[jboy19]

3 minutes ago, PuRock said:

It is music to Pats and Steelers ears. That is why you just want a ticket to the dance.  You have a bunch of teams with little playoff experience and backup quarterbacks.  This AFC playoffs all you need is one big win against the Pats or Steelers and the rest of the path is easier to the SB.  

Yeah poor Broncos don't even realize that even if they win tonight, the Patriots are gonna take safeties every drive next week to ensure the Dolphins get in over them haha.