Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[JO_75]

Why does this loss have me thinking about whether or not we should let Ozzie go and get some new blood in the front office? I'm just going to go do something to take my mind off this loss.

[cnyravens]

1 hour ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

What about Jeff Fisher? Now before you throw this comment away, here me out. His teams always have a solid running game and defense. The only thing he never had was a good quarterback. We have all three of those things. But hey, its just an idea.

Time for a change!

Sorry but when we had players like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed we didn't choke away games on D like we do now!

Pees is awful.

[Raving_Heathen]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

consistency at OC (wouldn't mind keeping Marty)

I absolutely do not see Marty being kept as OC. He's literally Trestman 1.1. I'd be less shocked if Harbs was fired than if the Ravens' brass brought back Mornhinweg. The obvious answer is Norv as our next OC. If he'd been our OC this year, we'd probably have a few more wins under our belt.

[Ravens4Real]

There's absolutely no way someone can throw out the excuse of injury. Everyone is hurt this time of year. 

Yes Jimmy was out, but the Steelers are missing multiple starters on each side of the ball. 

The game came down to our inept defense. This pass rush is horrible. 

[Cville-Raven]

3 minutes ago, cnyravens said:

Time for a change!

Sorry but when we had players like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed we didn't choke away games on D like we do now!

Pees is awful.

lol but they did though.  And they even did it in playoff games. For example that 2010 playoff game at Heinz field where the defense gave up a bomb to Antonio brown to ice the game. They were also rather poor in the AFC championship game where cundiff missed the field goal and they were incredibly poor in the Super Bowl. 

[Sunday QB]

3 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Why does this loss have me thinking about whether or not we should let Ozzie go and get some new blood in the front office? I'm just going to go do something to take my mind off this loss.

I agree, if he can't look at the future of football and draft players that make a difference then we don't have a chance of getting back to "playing like a Raven". Since Ray and Ed left we have not been a winning football team. This years 2nd round pick was a special teamer and now on IR. Something or someone has to change.

[redrum52]

44 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

lol That game means nothing.

Knowing Harbaugh we win and ruin the only good thing left which is draft position.

[ravens rule]

Marty needs a full off season. The interior of the line has to be addressed. 

[ALPHA]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

There's absolutely no way someone can throw out the excuse of injury. Everyone is hurt this time of year. 

Yes Jimmy was out, but the Steelers are missing multiple starters on each side of the ball. 

The game came down to our inept defense. This pass rush is horrible. 

The defense kept us in the playoff hunt while Joe was playing awful.

[jazz1988]

17 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Our head coach is a former special teams coach with a high profile last name. Not to say he hasn't done a decent job but he I see a higher ceiling and more major changes strategically with McDaniels or Patricia. 

Both have been essentially mentored by the most succesful coach in NFL history and both are much more hands-on football strategy oriented coaches. The only pro I see for keeping Harbs is continuity. But at what point do you have to demand more from that head coach position, especially in regards to strategy and philosophy.

The last time Mcdaniels was a head coach it didn't turn out so great for him but of course he could have matured since then. Being football strategiest is great but the head coach main job is to lead the team and be a leader.  Being a strategist doesn't mean anything if a head coach can't do that but McDaniels and Patricia aren't the first coaches that were mentored by BB . Guys like Eric Mangini , Romeo Crennel and even  Josh Mcdaniels himself have all learn under BB and didn't have much success as head coaches.

Edited December 26, 2016 by jazz1988

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, ratedr said:

Clowns are gonna blame the offense for this somehow. The defense is overrated trash. Stop using the Jimmy excuse, he's not the only player on defense. They cannot make a clutch stop to save their lives and haven't since the Super Bowl. If Pees stays another season Harbs needs to go too.

The WRs and TEs are not playmakers, period.

Flacco and the RBs played well, as did the line.

With the chips on the line we put SSS in the backfield to make something happen. That's an offensive strategy that some of the better offenses have been using the over the last few years, maybe we are catching up!????? That also brings up my never ending issue with our team; we need a damn good slot receiver. A receiver with burst and breakaway speed. If Camp had it, he would have scored in the fourth.

 

Once again: Christian MCcaffrey in 2017

[frozen joe flacco fan]

14 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Our head coach is a former special teams coach with a high profile last name. Not to say he hasn't done a decent job but he I see a higher ceiling and more major changes strategically with McDaniels or Patricia. 

Both have been essentially mentored by the most succesful coach in NFL history and both are much more hands-on football strategy oriented coaches. The only pro I see for keeping Harbs is continuity. But at what point do you have to demand more from that head coach position, especially in regards to strategy and philosophy.

I agree with most of what you have said. There's another pro for keeping Harbaugh, which is, its hard to argue with success. However, I believe its time for a change and here's why. A highly regarded management guru, named Peter Druecker, once said, "Culture eats strategy for breakfast." To me, that is what needs to change, i.e., the culture of the organization. The culture of an organization is your reason to  exist. Our goal this year was never high enough. It was to return to the playoffs. It should have been to get back to the SB. With a relatively strong nucleus of returning veterans and a pretty good group of younger players, we had a group of under-achievers. Our management team, led by Coach Harbaugh failed even to return to the playoffs.  

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Ugh watching Harbs presser just pisses me off more. I like the guy but come on you just been eliminated from going to playoffs. Who cares about the freaking bengals game it means nothing. Show some accountability. All we ever hear "the guys played tough" blah blah blah. 

[Inqui]

15 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Patricia is probably replacing bill. Mcdaniels time in Denver, when he was actually without Tom Brady, doesn't inspire me. Wade Phillips is probably the most lateral ,if not a net loss, hiring you could make. Phillips has shown he is a better DC than he is a head coach.

Yeah, I really don't see the enthusiasm for bringing in Wade Phillips as a HC. I think the McDaniels love is misplaced but at least that's understandable.

[Warren]

The bad: The owner of the Ravens not being at one of the biggest games for his team. Don't know why, but that really bothers me.

[jazz1988]

19 minutes ago, Raving_Heathen said:

I absolutely do not see Marty being kept as OC. He's literally Trestman 1.1. I'd be less shocked if Harbs was fired than if the Ravens' brass brought back Mornhinweg. The obvious answer is Norv as our next OC. If he'd been our OC this year, we'd probably have a few more wins under our belt.

I think the only thing that makes Marty similar to Trestman is that they both like to run a pass first offense but for the most part I have seen more creativity with The Ravens passing attack with Marty M than Trestman.   There is no  thing  as a prefect offensive coordinator even Gary Kubiak play calling was bad at times and it cost The Ravens some wins as well. I know Ravens fans love the run game but if Joe Flacco going to evolve as quarterback then he needs to be exposed to  a pass first offense. 

[pep_meister]

29 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

No pass rush 

imagine this draft class if we picked up noah spence.... ronnie. spence. young. judon. pierece..... would have made a difference. never seen a player drop off as much as doom has.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

The ugly: 

 

Ben Roethlisberger's final stat line: 24 of 30 aimed throws, 279 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs. Only under pressure on 4 of 33 dropbacks.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

10 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

With a relatively strong nucleus of returning veterans and a pretty good group of younger players, we had a group of under-achievers. Our management team, led by Coach Harbaugh failed even to return to the playoffs.  

Kind of unrelated but you can apply this to the Vikings situation as well. 

[HazDaGeneral]

11 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:

Ugh watching Harbs presser just pisses me off more. I like the guy but come on you just been eliminated from going to playoffs. Who cares about the freaking bengals game it means nothing. Show some accountability. All we ever hear "the guys played tough" blah blah blah. 

 

yeah man thats why I dont even watch his pressers anymore....its the same gimmick and post game sayings

[HazDaGeneral]

4 minutes ago, pep_meister said:

imagine this draft class if we picked up noah spence.... ronnie. spence. young. judon. pierece..... would have made a difference. never seen a player drop off as much as doom has.

 

yeah him and suggs didnt show up in that game at all

 

 

[redrum52]

39 minutes ago, Sunday QB said:

The last two years have been painful to say the least, but some thing has to change. I don't know how you can have the best rush defense and one of the worst pass defense.

Two completely different things.

[ravens rule]

If harbaugh is fired how would kyle shanahan and rex as his defensive coordinator sound ?

[redrum52]

58 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

McDaniels, Patricia, Wade Phillips

As HC, you'd want Wade Phillips?

[NYCRAVEN4LIFE]

We were one of the most highly penalized teams in the league. That's coaching. The players dont respect Harbs. Bring in a guy like Parcells and see how fast that changes. Bring in a headcoach that puts the fear of god into his players. Not some young punk like Josh McDaniels. You think an athlete making $20 million a year gives a damn what Josh McDaniels is telling him to do? Lol come on

Edited December 26, 2016 by NYCRAVEN4LIFE

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Cville-Raven said:

lol people saying fire everybody after a close loss to a better team

Not everybody, just HC, DC and OC

[ravensdfan]

23 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:

Ugh watching Harbs presser just pisses me off more. I like the guy but come on you just been eliminated from going to playoffs. Who cares about the freaking bengals game it means nothing. Show some accountability. All we ever hear "the guys played tough" blah blah blah. 

I am not one advocating for his firing but lately he just sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher to me.

[Cville-Raven]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Not everybody, just HC, DC and OC

I've seen numerous people say fire Ozzie

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

7 minutes ago, NYCRAVEN4LIFE said:

We were one of the most highly penalized teams in the league. That's coaching. The players dont respect Harbs. Bring in a guy like Parcells and see how fast that changes. Bring in a headcoach that puts the fear of god into his players. Not some young punk like Josh McDaniels. You think an athlete making $20 million a year gives a damn what Josh McDaniels is telling him to do? Lol come on

You can't say having a "drill sergeant" type of coach works for every team. Mike Zimmer is one of these coaches and look at the Vikings and their current mess regarding reports of locker room dysfunction and how the players have completely tuned out Zimmer.  "http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18348030/minnesota-vikings-dbs-ditch-coach-mike-zimmer-game-plan-covering-jordy-nelson-green-bay-packers-one-play"

Edited December 26, 2016 by Gruntled Ravens Fan

[Ravensfan23]

55 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't think there's a strong relationship between him and Joe at all.  I don't think there's a strong relationship between him and Harbaugh either.  I have literally 0 interest in bringing him back.  Whether it's his playbook/system or not, he simply hasn't done anything worth mentioning.

Even before he was moved up to OC, he was the QB coach - the guy that is working with Flacco every day.  Over the course of the season, we've seen very little improvement in Flacco's mechanics and footwork, and that's his main job.

I know you enjoy a good, spirited football debate, but I think you're off base here.  There should be absolutely no reason Marty sticks around.  Keeping him is essentially keeping the status quo, and this is a team that needs a shift there.

We're usually on the same page, but I have to completely disagree here. We're talking about Flacco recovering and actually coming back early from a major knee injury early in the season. Yes his mechanics were shot early on, but over the last 4-5 games of the season Flacco's mechanics has been really good and he's looked like one of the better QBs in the NFL save the NE game. I remember in the first half of the season just counting how many times Joe wouldn't step into throws was every game thing for me, now I don't even concern myself with it. 

Once the knee became a non issue for Joe he's been playing very well and has been lights out over the last 4 games. 119/173 68% 1173yds 9TDs 4Ints and that doesn't include plays not made like Wallers not catching a easy TD this game. Has 5 been perfect no, but he's been lights out and has put this team in position to win and Marty has a lot to do with that. 

If Joe's mechanics are your main basis for Marty not getting a full offseason with this offseason than I think it's you my friend that's off bases here. Tell me he's not running the ball enough, tell me the red zone offense isn't good enough, tell me he's not attacking defenses well enough,tell me episodes like SSS and Wallace throwing their helmets in back to back weeks is a sign that players aren't buying in but Flacco's mechanics? I can't get behind that.