Week 16: The Good, the Bad and Ugly Comment/Vent/Rant Steeler version

[frozen joe flacco fan]

42 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

You wont win with passing 1 TD vs. Steelers.   And you can't win having Steeler score 31 pts.   

Not having Jimmy hurt us keeping Powers as #2 and Tavon as #1.   

SSS who is our best receiver is gone.  With Flacco being the worst efficient 3rd down passer in the league, not having Steve is going to hurt next year.   

We need to get back to our roots and get back to 'right player right price'   Clean up the gunk, and that starts with Flacco shaving his massive contract.  B/C he is a dud QB.  We could also shave off ton off ineffective DBs that hasn't done squat(kendrick lewis/arrington) as well as Watson.  

Create a room to bring in playmakers into this team.  We need major TALENT in the team.   Not 'good boys' but PLAYMAKERS.    We'll see what happens next year.

I know that had to be a typo when you said Joe was a dud QB. You meant dude, right? If I understand your warped logic, you think it is all Flacco's fault again. Let's see. Dennis dropped a TD pass in the end zone. Waller dropped a TD pass in the end zone. Perriman dropped another key pass in the clutch. AND, Aiken, well, Aiken belongs on a volleyball team or some other non-contact sport. If it weren't for old school SSS, we would have been in bigger trouble. Steve and Joe are ballers. BUT, I'll give you credit where credit's due. You are consistent. You never have a nice thing to say about Joe. You just lack objectivity. I just wish they would let Joe tape the plays to his wrist so he could remember what to call like your idol Big Ben does.

If U think that us not having Jimmy was the biggest issue on D, then think again. Not only did we not sack Ben got very little, if any, pressure on him. Blame Coach Pees for that if you want but he's between a rock and a hard place. B/c of our sorry CBs, he has limited options. If he blitzes, we get burned. If he doesn't blitz, the opposing QBs pick us apart.

Otherwise, your post was right on target, just like Joe Flacco was all night long. We need playmakers. Tonight, I was proud of the way the offense fought. I was most disappointed in the play of Terrell Suggs, Elvis Doomerville and Mike Wallace. In the final analysis, it speaks volumes that the Baltimore Ravens sent 4 players to this year's Pro Bowl but only one is from our defense. That's why we lost tonight!  

[Raving_Heathen]

9 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

 

if we don't absolutely clean house Harbs, Newsome the whole works I'll be disappointed because we are not sitting on a playoff team for next year or near years to come.

I think that's extreme hyperbole. Even with all of the flaws this team had this year, every single L we had wasn't in the books until late in the 4th. I definitely wouldn't cry if Harbs got fired, but as long as we get a new OC and DC, I have hope we can compete for a SB next year.

[darklight1216]

25 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Flacco to Jets for Jets 1st round pick ..Jets get Ravens 2017 2nd and 3rd round pick and 2018 1st round pick

You made me do a little research and from what I gather: if the Ravens trade Joe Flacco they will have a ton of dead money against the cap.

Quote

This is not baseball. You don’t just take your most important guy and trade him to a team in need of that player for a playoff run and stock pile prospects in return. It doesn’t work that way.

Say the Ravens traded Joe Flacco. They are still on the hook for all of the guaranteed money prorated across the contract, which becomes dead money

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/like-joe-flacco-stay/

That article was from last year, but this site shows his contract today and going forward: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

The dead money is 47 million next year and 28 the year after that. They can't even think about life without Flacco (excepting injury) until 2019 when the cap hit would "only" be 16 million, but 2020 is more realistic with a dead money cap hit of 8 million.

I don't know whether that is good, bad, or ugly, but Flacco is here to stay.

 

And really, he played more than well enough to win this game, Pitta, Perriman, and Waller did not.

 

Edit: I just took a closer look at that trade offer. The Jets would get the Ravens 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a SB MVP qb and all Baltimore would get is one first round pick? Talk about getting fleeced.

[RayRayRaven]

1 minute ago, robbie29 said:

Are you seriously paying attention to that game? 

most definitely

on the road vs a traditional rival with our D having been shred for two straight games.

I consider it the bellweather game

[Steve0x]

9 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

shanahan

 

Exactly!!!

[RayRayRaven]

1 minute ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

. That's why we lost tonight!  

but we can get great draft picks for good joe bad joe fur sur

[Inqui]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Theres a fun first live game experience...

Was that the first game you went to see? My first was when the Steelers beat us 43-23 in 2014, so I can empathise. It's a pretty deflating feeling.

[ludy51]

Just now, Inqui said:

Was that the first game you went to see? My first was when the Steelers beat us 43-23 in 2014, so I can empathise. It's a pretty deflating feeling.

Yup

[HazDaGeneral]

31 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

lol people saying fire everybody after a close loss to a better team

its built up disappointment over the years I think......3 straight non-playoff appearances you can't honestly be good with that 

[perryhall]

If you watched every ravens game this year, you know that they just played their second best game of the year. It was a great game to watch. Unlike many of their victories which are pretty ugly. 

The defense did collapse at the end of this game. It s highly doubtful this would have happened if Jimmy Smith played today. 

The defense isn't to blame for the season they had. Some say the high ranking for this defense isn't accurate in view of the competition yet the offense played the same competition and was ranked 29th . In this game the defense which did collapse in the end ,gave the offense every opportunity to score many more points. 

The defense needs to improve some,specifically pass rushing and one more corner.  However,the offense needs to improve dramatically. 

[sflegend89]

22 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Everyone wants people fired with no viable replacement.  Ive said many times I'm not a Harbaugh fan, but who do we think would do better?

McDaniels, Patricia, Wade Phillips

[OUravensfan]

27 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

Oh, stick around the party isn't over, lol.

Yea we need Trent Dilfer back didn't you hear? Lmao

[Dilferian]

30 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

5. This teams habit of shrinking in big games. You have a 10 point lead going into the 4th quarter and the pressure should have been on the Steelers instead it was squarely on the Ravens team and they folded(at least defensively). Imo and call me a homer. but the Ravens were clearly the better team among the Cowboys, Patriots and Steelers, yet this team shrunk in those big games. Is that a Harbs problem because this team isn't prepared or is that just a player issue because the players don't have that star power to make plays when they matter. 

Imo if the Ravens don't have any of these issues as a team right now they are easily a #1 or #2 seed. 

It's ok to be a homer, but c'mon man, the Ravens are nowhere near the level of the Cowboys and Patriots.

Ravens are a lot like 20 other teams....not great and not awful. A play here and there in a few games, those 20 teams could be 4-10 or 10-4. It's today's NFL.

[Ravensfan23]

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Oh yeah for sure.  Marty wasn't a problem today, but that doesn't excuse all of the other games where he was.

I think it almost always comes down to the players and too much gets pinned on the coaches.  I just don't see any reason for Marty to be in consideration to stay.

I honestly don't see any reason for him to leave. Who are you bringing in that better than him? You have a very strong relationship between him and Joe. I think he's earned a full offseason to put his imprint on this offense. 

Also there has been a huge difference between he and Marc imo. The running game is more creative and despite the results not being there right now the play design in the redzone has been better. 

I'm fully comfortable of going into next year with Marty calling the shots and allowing Flacco and company to just grow within the offense instead of changing things up again. Improve the Center position and allow your young WRs, TEs and Rbs to grow in the same system instead of learning everything new. 

Remember years 1 to 2 are so crucial for young players and I don't think asking guys like Stanley, Lewis, Waller, Perriman, Dixon, Moore, Camp Boyle, Maxx and even West to learn a new offense is right when focusing on developing within the system should be the focus. 

[Edug27]

45 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

There's absolutely no way this should even be in consideration.

Marty being brought back? You think we bring in a new coordinator next season? 

.... nvm .. somehow missed your other posts.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Edug27

[Cville-Raven]

7 minutes ago, HazDaGeneral said:

its built up disappointment over the years I think......3 straight non-playoff appearances you can't honestly be good with that 

2 straight...

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I honestly don't see any reason for him to leave. Who are you bringing in that better than him? You have a very strong relationship between him and Joe. I think he's earned a full offseason to put his imprint on this offense. 

Also there has been a huge difference between he and Marc imo. The running game is more creative and despite the results not being there right now the play design in the redzone has been better. 

I'm fully comfortable of going into next year with Marty calling the shots and allowing Flacco and company to just grow within the offense instead of changing things up again. Improve the Center position and allow your young WRs, TEs and Rbs to grow in the same system instead of learning everything new. 

Remember years 1 to 2 are so crucial for young players and I don't think asking guys like Stanley, Lewis, Waller, Perriman, Dixon, Moore, Camp Boyle, Maxx and even West to learn a new offense is right when focusing on developing within the system should be the focus. 

I don't think there's a strong relationship between him and Joe at all.  I don't think there's a strong relationship between him and Harbaugh either.  I have literally 0 interest in bringing him back.  Whether it's his playbook/system or not, he simply hasn't done anything worth mentioning.

Even before he was moved up to OC, he was the QB coach - the guy that is working with Flacco every day.  Over the course of the season, we've seen very little improvement in Flacco's mechanics and footwork, and that's his main job.

I know you enjoy a good, spirited football debate, but I think you're off base here.  There should be absolutely no reason Marty sticks around.  Keeping him is essentially keeping the status quo, and this is a team that needs a shift there.

Edited December 26, 2016 by rmw10

[jazz1988]

4 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

McDaniels, Patricia, Wade Phillips

 

Phillips is probably never going to ever be a head coach again due to his age . Mcdaniels and Patricia are pretty good coordinators but it's  not like The Patriots are famous for producing  future great to good head coaches either.

[HazDaGeneral]

2 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

2 straight...

oh yeah i forgot the first one was right after the super bowl season

[sflegend89]

Even discussing getting rid of Flacco is ridiculous to me. Played his tail off tonight and put us in position to win a huge game. He was bad to start the year but I think a lot of it was due to the ACL. I feel good about him going forward.

We need a new HC (McDaniels, Patricia, Wade Phillips, Kyle Shannahan), consistency at OC (wouldn't mind keeping Marty), and some help at OLB/CB via the draft and FA. 

[HazDaGeneral]

people around the net thinks harbs gets one more chance....smh idk how he does the prestige is gone they need to begin a new regime 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If we're gonna hire anyone I want Kyle Shannahan. He's a hot head but I have a feeling he'd work well here. He'd run the offense efficiently. Maybe hire Gus Bradley as DC?

 

Whatever it is, I'd certainly keep Hammock and Ingram. They're good at their jobs

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I'd like to see them hire one of the young Turks like McDaniels, Patricia or Shanahan. All three of these guys have a high football IQ. John Harbaugh would make somebody an excellent Special Teams coach. So long, Coach! You had a team of underachievers this yea and couldn't get the job done. We sent 1 defensive player to the Pro Bowl. BTW, Oz, its time for you to ride off into the sunset too. The game has passed you by. Its like all the negative Nancys (except me) on this blog site have been sayin. The players in the league are bigger, stronger and faster than they used to be. We need to draft some of 'em. 

[Cville-Raven]

6 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

McDaniels, Patricia, Wade Phillips

Patricia is probably replacing bill. Mcdaniels time in Denver, when he was actually without Tom Brady, doesn't inspire me. Wade Phillips is probably the most lateral ,if not a net loss, hiring you could make. Phillips has shown he is a better DC than he is a head coach.

[Cville-Raven]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If we're gonna hire anyone I want Kyle Shannahan. He's a hot head but I have a feeling he'd work well here. He'd run the offense efficiently. Maybe hire Gus Bradley as DC?

 

Whatever it is, I'd certainly keep Hammock and Ingram. They're good at their jobs

Surely there are better defensive minds than him. 

[sflegend89]

11 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Phillips is probably never going to ever be a head coach again due to his age . Mcdaniels and Patricia are pretty good coordinators but it's  not like The Patriots are famous for producing  future great to good head coaches either.

Our head coach is a former special teams coach with a high profile last name. Not to say he hasn't done a decent job but he I see a higher ceiling and more major changes strategically with McDaniels or Patricia. 

Both have been essentially mentored by the most succesful coach in NFL history and both are much more hands-on football strategy oriented coaches. The only pro I see for keeping Harbs is continuity. But at what point do you have to demand more from that head coach position, especially in regards to strategy and philosophy.

Edited December 26, 2016 by sflegend89

[Sunday QB]

The last two years have been painful to say the least, but some thing has to change. I don't know how you can have the best rush defense and one of the worst pass defense.

[cnyravens]

1 hour ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

What about Jeff Fisher? Now before you throw this comment away, here me out. His teams always have a solid running game and defense. The only thing he never had was a good quarterback. We have all three of those things. But hey, its just an idea.

Time for a change!

Sorry but when we had players like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed we didn't choke away games on D like we do now!

Pees is awful.

[Ravensfan23]

4 minutes ago, Dilferian said:

It's ok to be a homer, but c'mon man, the Ravens are nowhere near the level of the Cowboys and Patriots.

Ravens are a lot like 20 other teams....not great and not awful. A play here and there in a few games, those 20 teams could be 4-10 or 10-4. It's today's NFL.

Go back and watch that Cowboys' game. That defense had no answer for what the Ravens were doing offensively. However penalties and mistakes cost this team yet again. So in that sense, yes they weren't the better team, but no way that score should have been 10-10 at half. The Ravens left far too many plays and points on the field. 

I'll give you the Pats game, we weren't clearly the better team, but I do think we were evenly matched talent wise. 

I agree with you on the Ravens being like the 20 others teams, because you are who your record says you are. The problem is, those few plays aren't just the difference between wins and losses. Those few plays like the Waller drop in the endzone and Pitta not coming up with a clutch play are causing this team to play necessarily tight games. Watch that Steelers game again and tell me you don't see where the Ravens should have scored 17-20 points in the first half of that game. It's those missed opportunities that change games for the Ravens because they force them to be much tighter at the end of games and this defense isn't built like that. I'm not sure those other 20 times can go but and look at games to say, wow we should have blown the Steelers out. Maybe they can say one or two plays here and there, this game is competitive or a win, but the Ravens should have scored early and often on that defense tonight and they blow it imo. Fix that and they are back to fighting for #1 or #2 seed in the AFC again. 

[Cville-Raven]

Just now, Sunday QB said:

The last two years have been painful to say the least, but some thing has to change. I don't know how you can have the best rush defense and one of the worst pass defense.

No pass rush