Next Up: Ravens at Bengals Sunday January 1 1300 Paul Brown Stadium

[hn68wb4]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

20 TD'S 14 INTS: Horrible

Some int's were game losers and how about the strip sack fumbles? The guy looked slow in decision making, always looking deep, then checking down in front of the first down marker. Given, the receivers were awful, pretty much the norm around here.. I believe he only hit one wr in stride, laughable it was Perriman ,and that went for a TD!

I would have put his million dollar butt on the bench, until he decided to take his game back to where he was awarded the huge salary. The Ravens supposedly paid him for what he would give them in the future. I believe they have been ripped off the last 3 years. 

20 TDs to 14 Ints is not good in a vacuum, but stop and look at those numbers.

Through the first 9 games he was 9 TD/9 Ints, through the last 6 he's been 11 TDs/5 Ints. He came out rusty from that injury, but to end the season he's turned it around and started to be more confident in his throws. It's also not a coincidence that that turnaround coincides with our Oline making it's own turnaround and Dixon finally getting healthy.

And that last little blurb is exactly why you're not a coach, don't quit your day job. Perhaps you'd be happier in QB limbo, it's worked out wonderfully for the Browns. You guys always complain about Flacco, but something tells me you wouldn't stop complaining if he were benched and started going 5-11 on a regular basis.

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

20 TDs to 14 Ints is not good in a vacuum, but stop and look at those numbers.

Through the first 9 games he was 9 TD/9 Ints, through the last 6 he's been 11 TDs/5 Ints. He came out rusty from that injury, but to end the season he's turned it around and started to be more confident in his throws. It's also not a coincidence that that turnaround coincides with our Oline making it's own turnaround and Dixon finally getting healthy.

And that last little blurb is exactly why you're not a coach, don't quit your day job. Perhaps you'd be happier in QB limbo, it's worked out wonderfully for the Browns. You guys always complain about Flacco, but something tells me you wouldn't stop complaining if he were benched and started going 5-11 on a regular basis.

I personally like Joe and defend him, but, this year he looked like a deer in headlights. He was very inconsistent and didn't appear take command of the huddle, as the Wr's and he were off kilter. Mallet taking a start, or a few series after some of Joe's mishaps , would have sent a message to all, not just Joe.  

[omar586]

apparently we picked up Mayle off waivers, anyone has heard of this guy.

Edited December 31, 2016 by omar586

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

I personally like Joe and defend him, but, this year he looked like a deer in headlights. He was very inconsistent and didn't appear take command of the huddle, as the Wr's and he were off kilter. Mallet taking a start, or a few series after some of Joe's mishaps , would have sent a message to all, not just Joe.  

What message do you really think that sends? If I'm a player on that team and they bench the franchise for some poor throws, I'm taking a serious look at the coaching staff and FO and asking myself just what the hell are they doing? And then I'm probably looking at my own situation and asking "if the coaching staff doesn't even have the back of our franchise player, why would I expect them to have my back? Am I going to get benched for a bad day or a few bad plays?"

That's the kind of message you send to a fringe player who doesn't have a Tom Brady-like grip on his job, or a player who's literally been bad for like 10 straight games (Fitzpatrick or Osweiler). 

The message you think its trying to convey doesn't actually work with players you have you entire present and near future invested in. That's how you end up losing the locker room and getting everybody fired.

 

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

20 TDs to 14 Ints is not good in a vacuum, but stop and look at those numbers.

Through the first 9 games he was 9 TD/9 Ints, through the last 6 he's been 11 TDs/5 Ints. He came out rusty from that injury, but to end the season he's turned it around and started to be more confident in his throws. It's also not a coincidence that that turnaround coincides with our Oline making it's own turnaround and Dixon finally getting healthy.

And that last little blurb is exactly why you're not a coach, don't quit your day job. Perhaps you'd be happier in QB limbo, it's worked out wonderfully for the Browns. You guys always complain about Flacco, but something tells me you wouldn't stop complaining if he were benched and started going 5-11 on a regular basis.

I honestly don't even care about the INTs. Its pretty much just a product of volume at this point. 

On a per attempt basis, he's throwing INTs less frequently than he did in 08, 09, 13 and 15. He's pretty much at the same INT rate on a per attempt basis as he was in 2011 and 2014, which were arguably his two best seasons.

Here's a wild concept... if we want Joe to get back down to that 10-12 INT range (which is perfectly acceptable), perhaps throwing the ball over 650 times isn't the best way to go about it, which is what's likely to happen after Sunday.

Its not a coincidence that three of Joe's better seasons (2011, 2012 and 2014), the sweet spot range for pass attempts was right in that 530-560 pass attempt range. Puts him right at about 33-35 attempts per game on average. He's thrown it over 40 times 9 times in 15 games so far this year, and hasn't had less than 30 attempts in a single game this year.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I personally like Joe and defend him, but, this year he looked like a deer in headlights. He was very inconsistent and didn't appear take command of the huddle, as the Wr's and he were off kilter. Mallet taking a start, or a few series after some of Joe's mishaps , would have sent a message to all, not just Joe.  

maybe he should yell more on the sidelines, or stay late after practice to throw more, or tell the coaches to screw off and call his own plays. thats what joe needs to do! show some fire! 

seriously, an 8th year qb and former super bowl MVP doesnt have the deer in the headlights syndrome, it just wouldnt make sense considering hes seen the absolute highest tension and pressure that pro sports has to offer more often than any current qb not named brady and he has come out on top quite often. he didnt look like a deer in headlights at all, he literally looked like joe flacco, he had the same stone face all season long that he has always had, the same stone face he had as a rookie, the same stone face he had in denver january 2013, the same stone face he had 3 weeks later in the super bowl. and what is your interpretation of "appearing to take command of the huddle"? what does that even mean? he flails his arms around and claps his hands as hes calling the plays? if the rest of the offense is in the huddle and taking his play call then he is taking command of it, what the hell else is he supposed to do? 

and yeah, brilliant, the man that pulled your team out of a 12 year long QB limbo and turned the team from below average to perennial contender and carried the team to a super bowl, should get benched because he makes a few bad throws while recovering from a torn ACL and playing behind a horrible OL with his 2nd OC in one season as he is leading the league in passing attempts. that would be a great message, one that says "we dont care about your professional well being and we certainly dont care about winning or accountability". brilliant. 

[HoldingCall]

On 12/29/2016 at 4:39 PM, ravensnj said:

I kinda like to see if Mallet can make something happen with our offense. This would be an indication if Joe is regressing or not fully recovered physically and mentally for the starting Qb job. He has been awful all year. 

Hard to get a clear assessment on a player that appears in one game all season. That said, I think we may see him the second half (so only half a game).

[ByTheBay]

15 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I personally like Joe and defend him, but, this year he looked like a deer in headlights. He was very inconsistent and didn't appear take command of the huddle, as the Wr's and he were off kilter. Mallet taking a start, or a few series after some of Joe's mishaps , would have sent a message to all, not just Joe.  

You have to remember Joe technically should have spend the first half of the season rehabing. He busted his butt during the offseason at the castle to try and be ready by September and I think he accomplished that. What lagged into the first half of the season was his mental conditioning. You could see him playing scared when he would get rid of the ball due to "phantom" pressure. I think he is back now and will be on a mission next year to make up for lost time. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

I can't believe this is the last game of the season already. Man, did this year just fly by. It seems like we just started the season and now it's over. Maybe it's just me and as I get older the days speed up to drive me into the ground faster. lol

[BigMike]

I now a professional team like the Ravens would not do this, but....

 

I would love to see the team make it the Steve Smith show. Pass it to him on 90% of the passing plays. On the running plays, line Steve up in the backfield and hand it off to him. On defense, line Steve up at corner. I know it would never happen, but it would make a meaningless game just a bit more interesting....

Edited January 1 by BigMike
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[K-Dog]

4 minutes ago, BigMike said:

I now a professional team like the Ravens would do this, but....

 

I would love to see the team make it the Steve Smith show. Pass it to him on 90% of the passing plays. On the running plays, line Steve up in the backfield and hand it off to him. On defense, line Steve up at corner. I know it would never happen, but it would make a meaningless game just a bit more interesting....

That would be awesome though.

[jboy19]

On 12/30/2016 at 7:46 PM, omar586 said:

apparently we picked up Mayle off waivers, anyone has heard of this guy.

Yeah, he was a 4th Round pick of the Browns in 2015. Cut that year during final cuts. Been on and off the Cowboys since then.

He was a basketball guy in JUCO but switched to football there because he was a 6'2'' power forward and wasn't going to get recruited. Played 2 years of football in JUCO, 1 year at Wazzu. 

Drops killed his career, seems to be why he can't stay on a roster. 

I doubt he's active for the game since he's had no time to prepare. With SSS and Aiken possibly gone next season this is probably about getting another WR on the roster for the offseason. 

[HoldingCall]

1 hour ago, BigMike said:

I now a professional team like the Ravens would do this, but....

 

I would love to see the team make it the Steve Smith show. Pass it to him on 90% of the passing plays. On the running plays, line Steve up in the backfield and hand it off to him. On defense, line Steve up at corner. I know it would never happen, but it would make a meaningless game just a bit more interesting....

Meaningless game? There is never a meaningless game, some players are playing for their careers. Perhaps coaches too! 

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, BigMike said:

I now a professional team like the Ravens would not do this, but....

 

I would love to see the team make it the Steve Smith show. Pass it to him on 90% of the passing plays. On the running plays, line Steve up in the backfield and hand it off to him. On defense, line Steve up at corner. I know it would never happen, but it would make a meaningless game just a bit more interesting....

And we would lose and lose badly, and most fans would turn the TV off by the 3rd quarter.

I have zero interest in seeing that.

[jaege]

7 hours ago, HoldingCall said:

Meaningless game? There is never a meaningless game, some players are playing for their careers. Perhaps coaches too! 

Well good for those players and coaches, but those guys don't pay the bills. The fans do. The games are played with the sole purpose of getting to the SB, and this game isn't going to get anyone closer to that goal. At least not if it is played full tilt to win. It could be used to get a team toward a future SB, as a measuring device.

[ravensnj]

On 12/30/2016 at 1:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well he had 2 tds dropped against pittsburgh, the game winner 's the skins where perriman didn't get his 2nd foot in, the dropped td vs the raiders, off the top of my head that's 4 tds he delivered and was let down by his receivers. That's also not counting the 3rd down conversions he delivered and were dropped that could have led to more tds. 24-14 is a very respectable statline, especially for an offense in flux shifting their starting OL around for months and changing coordinators midseason.

 

I remember seeing a few Ints, some could have been pick 6's  that weren't caught too.

[ravensnj]

On 12/30/2016 at 7:58 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

What message do you really think that sends? If I'm a player on that team and they bench the franchise for some poor throws, I'm taking a serious look at the coaching staff and FO and asking myself just what the hell are they doing? And then I'm probably looking at my own situation and asking "if the coaching staff doesn't even have the back of our franchise player, why would I expect them to have my back? Am I going to get benched for a bad day or a few bad plays?"

That's the kind of message you send to a fringe player who doesn't have a Tom Brady-like grip on his job, or a player who's literally been bad for like 10 straight games (Fitzpatrick or Osweiler). 

The message you think its trying to convey doesn't actually work with players you have you entire present and near future invested in. That's how you end up losing the locker room and getting everybody fired.

 

Yeah, coddle them all and give them all trophies. What happens if Joe gives us the same season next year?

Edited January 1 by ravensnj

[K-Dog]

Steve Smith probably doesn't think this game is meaningless. 

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Yeah, coddle them all and give them all trophies. What happens if Joe gives us the same season next year?

Then maybe we make the playoffs? Maybe Joe throws 30 TDs and we win 4 games. If he does exactly what he did this season next season, then he will our QB in 2018 as well, and likely beyond.

Long, long, long list of players on this roster and players not yet on this roster that will need to give us better than what they gave us this year in order for this team to be a contender, and Joe is on that list.

The trophies and coddling was a cute touch though. Too bad none of that is actually happening.

Edited January 1 by rmcjacket23

[Marcus_Aurelius]

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