Breshad Perriman: Bust or Late Developer?

[PurpleCity5]

12 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Perrimans future really excites me. I think he'll be a stud. 

Agree, can't wait for him and Stanley, I think both will be great. 

[Militant X 1]

7 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

What some people still don't understand is that the guy is essentially a 4th option on most plays. 

Most QBs in the NFL don't look to the 3rd WR or even the 4th WR when the first play doesn't work simply because they don't have time. Perriman is on the field as the 3rd WR with Mike Wallace and Steve Smith Sr. on the field. When you add in Dennis Pitta is pretty much the 1st option on most plays. The first read on most of the plays will either be Wallace/Smith Sr. or Pitta. When the 1st read fails, most QBs go to the check down, RB/TE, which we saw a lot of vs. New England. Either that or they look towards the #2, if he has plenty of time he'll go to the #3. 

Besides, if you give Perriman more snaps you're taking someone off. Who will that be, Mike Wallace or Steve Smith Sr.? I say neither. No reason to do that unless one of them begins to break down significantly. 

I know people get annoyed when we pull out the "Well he's technically a rookie" card but that's what it is. Guy still has plenty of development left, best thing you hope for is that he capitalizes on his chances when they arrive. Also, teams respect his speed, they're not stupid and have been game-planning for him. Jets put Darrelle Revis on him for most of the game, a veteran all time great CB. Not an easy one to win. 

I'm one of those cats PC.  All of this "he's still a rookie" speak is nonsense imo.  Specially at this point in the season.  A far as all the other things you said here in your post...I pretty much agree with it.  However, "IF" Perriman is to grow and improve as a WR, I feel he needs to be on the field and targeted.  That rarely happens.  To be honest, imo the Ravens coaching staff do a horrible job at "developing" our young receivers so much so, that we have not had a pure "beast" at that position in years.

[Rav'n Maniac]

2 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I'm one of those cats PC.  All of this "he's still a rookie" speak is nonsense imo.  Specially at this point in the season.  A far as all the other things you said here in your post...I pretty much agree with it.  However, "IF" Perriman is to grow and improve as a WR, I feel he needs to be on the field and targeted.  That rarely happens.  To be honest, imo the Ravens coaching staff do a horrible job at "developing" our young receivers so much so, that we have not had a pure "beast" at that position in years.

Couldn't agree more. We have always been notoriously bad at developing the WR position and for them to get the reps and targets they normally have to wait for someone to go down before they can move up. Much like Aiken last season.

[757RavensFan]

On 12/23/2016 at 11:16 PM, RayRocks said:

He's done approximately what I've expected from him in his first real season (and as the 4th receiver on the depth chart).  For comparison, Torrey Smith who was the 2nd/3rd receiver on the depth chart had about 850 yards each of his first 2 seasons.

Speaking of Torrey Smith...in 12 games he has 20 catches, 267 yards, and 3 TDs. 

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Couldn't agree more. We have always been notoriously bad at developing the WR position and for them to get the reps and targets they normally have to wait for someone to go down before they can move up. Much like Aiken last season.

I agree Rav'n.  I'd love to see us mix those young lions in from time to time.  The best experience for them is that "in-game" experience. 

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

I'm one of those cats PC.  All of this "he's still a rookie" speak is nonsense imo.  Specially at this point in the season.  A far as all the other things you said here in your post...I pretty much agree with it.  However, "IF" Perriman is to grow and improve as a WR, I feel he needs to be on the field and targeted.  That rarely happens.  To be honest, imo the Ravens coaching staff do a horrible job at "developing" our young receivers so much so, that we have not had a pure "beast" at that position in years.

 

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Couldn't agree more. We have always been notoriously bad at developing the WR position and for them to get the reps and targets they normally have to wait for someone to go down before they can move up. Much like Aiken last season.

I will say I think Engram has done a pretty good job of developing these guys. I think it's more a issue of hw these guys are used. Not saying it was right or wrong, but Cam would send Torrey deep about 7 times a game in hopes of getting those 2 or 3 opportunities to hit deep plays, even if they resulted in DPI. I feel Perriman will develop into that #1 WR type and I like that the way they are asking him to run every route, but I'd give this kid at least 2-3 shots a game regardless of coverage. Earlier in the season, teams appeared to fear the speed of the Ravens because everyone thought this deep striking offense was coming, however now guys are sitting on routes and blasting WRs on the catch in a lot of cases. This offense looks like the 2010 version and it shouldn't. There is more than enough speed and big play ability for this team to stretch the field. My vision for this offense and WR corp was a combination of 2010 and 2012. Over the last couple weeks both SR and Wallace have been frustrated because they aren't being giving a chance to making plays, we're pretty much conceding to lesser defenses instead of attacking. 

[BmoreBird22]

18 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Comparing Perriman to other first round receivers from that year, he's been the 2nd best behind Cooper.

So far this season for the first round guys aside from Cooper going into this week:
Parker: 47 catches, 614 yards, 3 TDs
White: 19 catches, 187 yards, 0 TDs
Agholor: 36 catches, 365 yards, 2 TDs
Perriman: 26 catches, 405 yards, 3 TDs
Dorsett: 28 catches, 464, 2 TDs.

Perriman is out performing his peers in the first round of that year, aside from Cooper. Considering what he's been through: not having a pre-season camp, missing his rookie year, and being buried on the depth chart of an oftentimes dysfunctional offense, that's not half bad.

Not sure how you don't think Parker is outperforming him...

[RaineV1]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Not sure how you don't think Parker is outperforming him...

Parker is a lot higher up on the depth chart. Also, it just seemed like Parriman was doing better on a per catch basis given that he has a higher yards per catch and the same amount of touchdowns with twenty less catches. Perriman seems to be making more of an impact with his catches than Parker.

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

I'm one of those cats PC.  All of this "he's still a rookie" speak is nonsense imo.  Specially at this point in the season.  A far as all the other things you said here in your post...I pretty much agree with it.  However, "IF" Perriman is to grow and improve as a WR, I feel he needs to be on the field and targeted.  That rarely happens.  To be honest, imo the Ravens coaching staff do a horrible job at "developing" our young receivers so much so, that we have not had a pure "beast" at that position in years.

I think that Steve Smith and Mike Wallace has somewhat affected his development. I don't think its a negative impact but its been somewhat of a force. You're not taking either one of them off the field and we know the chemistry that is established between Flacco and Pitta. Perriman opportunities just aren't there but I really think he has the elements to be a great WR. We just have to wait for his time. 

[ravensnj]

On 12/24/2016 at 3:05 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

cant believe this got a thumbs up. 

to say he cant catch, when he has made a jaw dropping spectacular catch nearly every week this season, is ridiculous. nobody blamed flacco(although flacco has missed him on multiple touchdowns where perriman beat his defender like he stole something) but its often a timing and mental lapse thing. and believe it or not, its extremely common with uber-talented receivers. fun fact, dez bryant has a 50% catch rate, steve smith and anquan boldin have each had seasons with the ravens where they were near the tops in the league in drops, demaryius thomas and julio jones have also had seasons with absurd drop numbers. its really far more common than you think. 

for perriman to come in here and far surpass his floor despite 2 knee injuries and missing both training camps and going nearly 2 years without playing a single game snap, is impressive in itself. for him to come in and make some of the spectacular catches hes made, and even better show development in his route tree and show the ability to beat the best corners in the league over the top, is incredible. 400+ yards and multiple td's is an excellent first year for him when considering all the factors. 

some people would rather see the most exciting draft pick in years bust just so they can say "i told ya so" rather than see him excel and do well. i seriously do not understand this mentality.

Okay, I did a little research and found this: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2136743/christian-mccaffrey

[PurpleCity5]

56 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not sure how you don't think Parker is outperforming him...

I don't think he's outperforming Parker but I don't think Parker has been all that much better honestly. He's had two 100 Yard games but he's had strings of games in which he's struggled. To add to that he's much higher on the depth chart on a team that doesn't have much TE production to speak of and Parker got a year of development, he's missed time but the exp. of being on an NFL field certainly helps. 

If Parker was here, I think we would see a pretty significant drop in production. 

[codizzle]

Perriman would get more snaps if he deserved it

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Parker is a lot higher up on the depth chart. Also, it just seemed like Parriman was doing better on a per catch basis given that he has a higher yards per catch and the same amount of touchdowns with twenty less catches. Perriman seems to be making more of an impact with his catches than Parker.

A lower YPC generally happens when you have a small sample size of catches. When he starts working underneath and over the middle, that number will drop. 

Also, most people would argue the Dolphins quarterback and offensive situation is a lot worse.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Perriman is developing and that's obvious and expected because of his situation. It's not easy coming into the NFL with no real game reps or training camp reps. You need that especially when you're first getting into the league. I'm not sure what Perriman will become but I'm optimistic. With that said our WR is interesting and complicated next year. I didn't see any comments on it but I find Wallace's apparent discord an interesting situation that may cause some pause in bringing him back next year. Then with Steve Smith Sr retiring and Aiken a free agent...well, it'll be interesting. 

[RaineV1]

53 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

A lower YPC generally happens when you have a small sample size of catches. When he starts working underneath and over the middle, that number will drop. 

Also, most people would argue the Dolphins quarterback and offensive situation is a lot worse.

The Dolphins score more points per game than the Ravens, so it's hard to argue their offense is in a worse situation.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

The Dolphins score more points per game than the Ravens, so it's hard to argue their offense is in a worse situation.

They have Gase, which I think massively helps.

The Ravens have been incredibly inconsistent because Flacco is playing inconsistent. I think if he finds his groove, they can take off.

[RedFire]

6 hours ago, codizzle said:

Perriman would get more snaps if he deserved it

 

Even Kobe Bryant had to wait behind a well established all star in eddie jones for two years....he didn't go to a team like lebron james on the cavs to get those early stats/opportunities his first couple of seasons. Kobe had to be 6th man for two seasons. 

 

Point being is that when you have two pro bowl caliber receivers....you are not going to be automatically inserted into their spots. 

[Raving_Heathen]

Perriman is an absolute beast when he has the ball in his hands. He has the size and speed to be a legitimate elite receiver, but his hands definitely aren't the greatest, and Flacco and him are rarely on the same page. Hoping those last 2 things get straightened out next season.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Raving_Heathen said:

Perriman is an absolute beast when he has the ball in his hands. He has the size and speed to be a legitimate elite receiver, but his hands definitely aren't the greatest, and Flacco and him are rarely on the same page. Hoping those last 2 things get straightened out next season.

I've maintained all along that Perriman is just going to be a giant frustration in his career.  He's going to make some amazing plays that really wow you, but he's also going to miss some that you just shake your head in disappointment.  We just need to get him trending more toward the former.  I don't think the bad plays will go away, but if the big plays can wipe them out, I'll be just fine with it.

[sflegend89]

Perriman is a late bloomer. He was going into college and he will be again at the pro level. 

I've been very impressed with him in spurts. Consistency is what he struggles with and at WR that takes time and experience. I think we see him make a sizeable jump in production next year as the game starts to slow down for him.

[OUravensfan]

Another bad drop followed by a good, clutch(ish) catch, you can't make this stuff up with this guy, but I'm still on board for the record.

[Purple_ICE 81]

On 12/23/2016 at 8:10 PM, robbie29 said:

So after sitting his rookie season, Breshad Perriman has 405 yds receiving and 3 TDs thru 14 games. Thoughts?

I think his health is the most concerning problem, if he puts the work in this offseason and stays healthy he could make a big push next season. At least we got to see him make a couple big plays this season.

[PuRock]

I think he can really blossom if the Ravens plan to move the ball downfield.  There has to be times where he is one-on-one without safety help.  In these scenarios you have to throw up the ball and see what he can do.  This is something the Ravens and Joe tend to shy away from. 

With that being said, his drops will be a continued frustration throughout his career.  He seems to be one of those players that can make the tougher catches look easier than the routine ones.  

[JonnyBaltimore]

2 hours ago, PuRock said:

I think he can really blossom if the Ravens plan to move the ball downfield.  There has to be times where he is one-on-one without safety help.  In these scenarios you have to throw up the ball and see what he can do.  This is something the Ravens and Joe tend to shy away from. 

With that being said, his drops will be a continued frustration throughout his career.  He seems to be one of those players that can make the tougher catches look easier than the routine ones.  

The game planning has not put the ball in his hands. I'm amazed with his speed and big play ability why we haven't run more jet sweeps or reverses for him

[Ravensfan23]

7 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

The game planning has not put the ball in his hands. I'm amazed with his speed and big play ability why we haven't run more jet sweeps or reverses for him

Perriman is more of a build up speed kind of guy right now with the injuries to the knees. I don't think he's 100% back from those injuries. I think he'll be fully back next season. He's so much more explosive out of his stance and in short areas than he's shown. Jet sweeps and reverses are tailored more for guys with short area quickness. That's why we haven't really seen it with much success until Camp returned to the team. Right now Camp gets to top speed quicker than Perriman does, but that'll change next season imo. 

[jimmypowder]

If he keeps dropping one out of every two - three passes he is a bust . 

Lets see what happens next year . 

[ratedr]

The book was written on him pre-draft. I don't care if he makes every once in a blue moon Madden catch when he drops the 20 routine catches. Torrey had hands issues but he noticeably improved on them as his rookie season progressed. I've seen no such improvement from Perriman.

Edited December 26, 2016 by ratedr

[ALPHA]

It's not looking good for his third season. Hopefully he turns it around and becomes the next Julio Jones... I can dream can't I?

[Ravenskid2085]

The thing that scares me about Perriman is that he has a little bit of the Travis Taylor syndrome. He'll make a spectacular catch look easy but can also drop one that hits him in the numbers. He's got all the skills to be an elite wideout, let's see what he does with a full offseason of preparation.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Ravenskid2085

[Deflated Football]

Throw him into the fire next season. Make him the number two and cut Aiken. There will be growing pains, but it's imperative that he gets the ball in his hands because he can take it to the house every time.