[News] Late For Work 12/19: Seven Eagles-Ravens Game Takeaways, Including Playoff Scenarios

[ellicottraven]

Marty is uninspiring and clueless when it comes to game management and calls based on the situation in a game. Perhaps it is Harbaugh's responsibility but both proved lax in that yesterday. I am being kind with the word 'lax' actually. Joe after 9 yrs and a SB victory still seems to be terrible at recognition and vision of the field and decision making. If he is on, he is great but this season he is hardly on.

[pocket]

Someone drafted had great character, till he didn't. Not interested in the ravens limping into the playoffs. Either they win out, or  get knocked out as soon as they get in. 

Edited December 19, 2016 by pocket

[Bat-mite]

24 minutes ago, TorryGundy said:

41 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

In a pass-happy league, the Ravens have a distaste for running the ball....... I'll just leave it at that.... How many top tier teams dominate in their running game? I know there are a few, but I'm Just asking.

The first place teams...Dallas, New England, Pittsburg....

Philly looked like a first-place team the way they ran the ball on us yesterday. Just sayin'....

Edited December 19, 2016 by Bat-mite

[Minionhunter]

I'm sure most of you don't care but I just found out that the xmas game will only be on nfl network. I am currently out of the area and dont have nfl network. So the game I've been waiting all year for will not be available to me. I have game pass but waiting until Monday to watch sucks. This is a huge reason that my intrest in the NFL has faded. To greedy to broadcast big games nationwide. I have lived and breathed football for 30 years but seriously doubt I will watch next year. Count me as one more fallen fan. How much money is enough for the NFL? I can tell you a dynasty dies slowly so they never see it coming. 

I didn't know that, it has to be a premier match-up that day, why the networks didn't demand it for Christmas night (or even the prime match-up at the afternoon slot) is beyond me. All the others on the networks set for the afternoon slot are horrible! Absolutely horrible match-ups, nothing going for them. They made the mistake of taking them out of prime-time twice last year, now they do it again. I wonder if they fear the Steelers will embarrass themselves on national television. The NFL worked so hard to get their most popular six franchises into the playoff hunt (Patriots, Giants, Cowboys, Steelers, Raiders, and Packers) Top 6 most popular teams all "nudged" into the playoffs during a year when their ratings were down because of poor game play early in the season (because of poor product and too many commercials during breaks and announcers to support whatever the call was on the field, even if they don't believe it).

Only way Phil Simms can be on the air is being a yes man to the NFL and agreeing with the call the refs make, "Oh, that call was totally right, I can't believe it wasn't made sooner and harsher." [Unless another call goes the opposite way - which he will also claim is the only way it could have been called.] lol

[Minionhunter]

And they are making us do color rush on a non-Thursday game so the steelers can wear all black and we wear all white. Terrible decision.

[CQ1]

Funny: = keep calm and trust ozzie- after YESTERDAY? Unless the Ravens are playing the dumb fox all year long re the same old issues and bullpoo- leading up to these 2 games, these 2 road games are THE scenario. We should not have even been in this position to begin with.
I am not trusting anyone....just show us(the Raven fans that are NOT gullable)!
If we do NOT come out of these 2 games without looking any better / well off- heads should roll.

[Minionhunter]

  59 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

  1 hour ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Did anyone else feel the awkwardness of Harbaugh's uncontrollable cough during the press conference? It was so bad he had to abruptly cut the presser short!

Well, that happens. As a teacher, I once had to cancel a class because about 15 minute sinto the class the exact same thing happened to me. Lasted for about 20 minutes.

Oh ok. Yea I've had that happen too, his just seemed really weird. And he's been looking a little thin and aged lately. Could be the stress of the season and this team, and his job. Just observations I've been making.

Or that he is going to have to fire like 5-7 friends from his Eagles days this offseason. If he is not savage enough to do that, I don't see him lasting much longer here. The closer to the top you are, the more savage you must be to keep and hold power.

[CQ1]

Marty is uninspiring and clueless when it comes to game management and calls based on the situation in a game. Perhaps it is Harbaugh's responsibility but both proved lax in that yesterday. I am being kind with the word 'lax' actually. Joe after 9 yrs and a SB victory still seems to be terrible at recognition and vision of the field and decision making. If he is on, he is great but this season he is hardly on.

Its Harbaughs job as the team leader to be on the same page, and OK or deny what the situation calls for. There were many times yesterday when it was an all out epic-fail- considering the victory. Yes- when Joe is on- and he has not been on, on the road for some time.

[pocket]

Or you invest as much unscheduled practice as scheduled practice. To become what you need to be; to win most of your battles. Sometimes it looks like people haven't played football a day in their life. 

Edited December 19, 2016 by pocket

[CQ1]

Screw the playoff scenarios. JUST WIN THE GAMES

THANK YOU, Metal !

[Bat-mite]

I am convinced, after lots of analysis and many conversations, that our primary problem is coaching.  We have some very talented players; but they seem to lack direction, cohesiveness.  This things come from good coaching.

I seriously hope they have been spending this season looking for a new, long-term OC.  We need someone who will motivate Flacco, improve our clock-management, put a spark into the offense, know when to play aggressively vs. defensively, and not fall for defensive gimmicks like the Patriots pulled last week.

For everyone shouting: "we need a RB, we need receivers, we need an O-line!"  I submit to you that we have those things; we just need someone to lead, teach, and motivate them.

[The Greek]

dolphins at bills next and finish with the patriots but it most likely will be garrapolo starting that one with some other key guys not playing as well for the pats. need to win out. i sure hope smith returns

[VermontRaven]

30 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

And they are making us do color rush on a non-Thursday game so the steelers can wear all black and we wear all white. Terrible decision.

Is it a "color rush" or is the black the Steelers alternate jersey? (like our black jersey)  I would think if it was a true "color rush" game, then we'd be wearing our all purple "color rush" uniform we wore vs. the Browns.

[Minionhunter]

Marty is uninspiring and clueless when it comes to game management and calls based on the situation in a game. Perhaps it is Harbaugh's responsibility but both proved lax in that yesterday. I am being kind with the word 'lax' actually. Joe after 9 yrs and a SB victory still seems to be terrible at recognition and vision of the field and decision making. If he is on, he is great but this season he is hardly on.

Yes, and so did Brady when Weddle got him. Joe's was worse for sure, but it does happen.

[bluehen]

Funny: = keep calm and trust ozzie- after YESTERDAY? Unless the Ravens are playing the dumb fox all year long re the same old issues and bullpoo- leading up to these 2 games, these 2 road games are THE scenario. We should not have even been in this position to begin with.
I am not trusting anyone....just show us(the Raven fans that are NOT gullable)!
If we do NOT come out of these 2 games without looking any better / well off- heads should roll.

You hit the nail on the head!

[Minionhunter]

  39 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

And they are making us do color rush on a non-Thursday game so the steelers can wear all black and we wear all white. Terrible decision.

Is it a "color rush" or is the black the Steelers alternate jersey? (like our black jersey)  I would think if it was a true "color rush" game, then we'd be wearing our all purple "color rush" uniform we wore vs. the Browns.

"real" color rush game. We are the road team so we have to wear all white. The steelers chose "All Black" for their color that most represents them. Which they kind of had to since all yellow would have looked terrible.

It is our job to make sure they never want to wear all black again.

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

  1 hour ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

  2 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Did anyone else feel the awkwardness of Harbaugh's uncontrollable cough during the press conference? It was so bad he had to abruptly cut the presser short!

Well, that happens. As a teacher, I once had to cancel a class because about 15 minute sinto the class the exact same thing happened to me. Lasted for about 20 minutes.

Oh ok. Yea I've had that happen too, his just seemed really weird. And he's been looking a little thin and aged lately. Could be the stress of the season and this team, and his job. Just observations I've been making.

Or that he is going to have to fire like 5-7 friends from his Eagles days this offseason. If he is not savage enough to do that, I don't see him lasting much longer here. The closer to the top you are, the more savage you must be to keep and hold power.

LOL @ savage! Perfect use of the word!! At this point I'm skeptical about how savage he really is. He needs to do what's best for this team and really start bringing in talented coordinators like Bellicheck does, instead of providing his buddies with jobs. His loyalty will be the reason why he is out of a job come seasons end.

[The Mom Gene]

It's not Stanley or Yanda that I have a problem with... It's the Center and the other side..... Those guys are doing a great job of keeping people off of Joe. Zuttah is constantly being pushed back into Joe.

I'm just saying.... I can't get the image of that pocket out of my head last night with Prescott, thinking... Oh, if only Joe had that.

[The Mom Gene]

55 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

1 hour ago, TorryGundy said:

1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

In a pass-happy league, the Ravens have a distaste for running the ball....... I'll just leave it at that.... How many top tier teams dominate in their running game? I know there are a few, but I'm Just asking.

The first place teams...Dallas, New England, Pittsburg....

Philly looked like a first-place team the way they ran the ball on us yesterday. Just sayin'....

Philly did, yes. They do, just like we used to. They have no real threat at Wide Receiver. When we have guys like SSS, Wallace, Aiken, Pitta, etc. etc. etc. The Philly Game??? How many passes did you see downfield.

@TorryGundy The first place teams have.... DEZ. and this year has Elliott.. But NE, uses the hell out of Edelmann... and NE has had to due to losing Gronk, and it's WR's... Pittsburgh relies on LeVeon, but has Antonio, Coates, and the like, that it relies on even more for games like yesterday... AWFUL EXAMPLES.

[BiggMack91]

ravens win out both come within 3 points

[rave n us]

We appear to have coaching issues. Poor play calling on offense most of the year almost cost us another one. Harbs cost us three games chasing points. Pees refused to stack the box yesterday even when we knew Wentz couldn't throw on us. Morningwig doesn't have a clue how to keep a defense off balance or does he understand what a sustained run game reaps in the second half.

[ByTheBay]

51 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

I am convinced, after lots of analysis and many conversations, that our primary problem is coaching.  We have some very talented players; but they seem to lack direction, cohesiveness.  This things come from good coaching.

I seriously hope they have been spending this season looking for a new, long-term OC.  We need someone who will motivate Flacco, improve our clock-management, put a spark into the offense, know when to play aggressively vs. defensively, and not fall for defensive gimmicks like the Patriots pulled last week.

For everyone shouting: "we need a RB, we need receivers, we need an O-line!"  I submit to you that we have those things; we just need someone to lead, teach, and motivate them.

Lets just hope Harbaugh is not involved in the OC hiring process. The only OC that Harbs didnt choose was Kubiak. Proving once and for all that he had no clue how to judge coaching talent. Harbaugh is a fine head coach but he needs to have his hand held if we want to have sustained success. 

[megalomarc]

Even if we lose to Pittsburg, I see us having a good chance of making the playoffs by finishing 1-1.

- Dolphins play the Patriots and the Bills, and I believe the Bills have a good chance of beating them.

- Broncos hve 2 difficult matchups: Chiefs and Raiders. They may easily lose one of these.

- Then someone has to win the AFC South division. If it's Houston, they can be 2-0 no problem. And then the Titans has to finish 1-1 (they are playing the Texans and the Jaguars). If it's the Titans on top, they can be 2-0 no problem, but then the Texans has to finish 1-1 (playing the Titans and the Bengals). As we see these two teams are playing against each other. So without a doubt, one will go down.

So basically our hopes of the backyard way for us to get into the show is by hoping the Bills beat the Dolphins. The rest has a high chance to happen.

And of course, we must beat the Bengals at the end.

[drillem]

The article mentions the word "baffling". Nothing about this team is baffling if you consider the defects in coaching staff due to many factors including turnover of coaches, lack of competence etc. Player morale is affected negatively on the field when play calling/strategy is questionable. Digression of player performance can be a factor in improper coaching technique. Confusion in the minds of players on the field due to constant change of direction looks like a player has lost his ability. When in fact the real culprit is something completely different. It is up to the upper management to right this ship. To me it looks like the coaches have lost their confidence as well as the players and are now second-guessing themselves. Not sure if keeping present coaching staff can produce desired results. It is a conundrum for the front office and ownership. Glad I don't have to make the moves myself.

[Bat-mite]

33 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

"real" color rush game. We are the road team so we have to wear all white. The steelers chose "All Black" for their color that most represents them. Which they kind of had to since all yellow would have looked terrible.

It is our job to make sure they never want to wear all black again.

Home team gets to pick color or white.  That's why some teams in hot climates choose white at home in September.  Of course, in December/January, every home team is picking color.

[budman]

1 hour ago, TheRavengers said:

I've been wondering for a while what is Correa's issue right now?

My question is why is he starting over Zachary Orr?  Performance wise Orr has been better. I wonder if he is in the doghouse? Haven't heard about a injury. I cant figure it out.

[budman]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Marty is uninspiring and clueless when it comes to game management and calls based on the situation in a game. Perhaps it is Harbaugh's responsibility but both proved lax in that yesterday. I am being kind with the word 'lax' actually. Joe after 9 yrs and a SB victory still seems to be terrible at recognition and vision of the field and decision making. If he is on, he is great but this season he is hardly on.

Weird. In the same game, Flacco "doesn't see" the defender on a bonehead play but that throw to SSS was beautiful!

[TheConquerorWorm]

  1 hour ago, Bat-mite said:

I am convinced, after lots of analysis and many conversations, that our primary problem is coaching.  We have some very talented players; but they seem to lack direction, cohesiveness.  This things come from good coaching.

I seriously hope they have been spending this season looking for a new, long-term OC.  We need someone who will motivate Flacco, improve our clock-management, put a spark into the offense, know when to play aggressively vs. defensively, and not fall for defensive gimmicks like the Patriots pulled last week.

For everyone shouting: "we need a RB, we need receivers, we need an O-line!"  I submit to you that we have those things; we just need someone to lead, teach, and motivate them.

Lets just hope Harbaugh is not involved in the OC hiring process. The only OC that Harbs didnt choose was Kubiak. Proving once and for all that he had no clue how to judge coaching talent. Harbaugh is a fine head coach but he needs to have his hand held if we want to have sustained success. 

The ONLY reason Kubiak came to Baltimore was because of Harbaugh. Kubiak said that himself, not some mistruth spilling poster....

[TheRavengers]

16 minutes ago, budman said:

My question is why is he starting over Zachary Orr?  Performance wise Orr has been better. I wonder if he is in the doghouse? Haven't heard about a injury. I cant figure it out.

I can't recall seeing him on the field at all recently. The NFL website says he's got 4 tackles for the year and a forced fumble and those were in the Jets game but other than that, I've not heard a word, though those could be on special teams. Don't know what he's done to earn himself a spot on the bad list, but I'm hoping they're just growing pains.

[TheRavengers]

18 minutes ago, budman said:

Weird. In the same game, Flacco "doesn't see" the defender on a bonehead play but that throw to SSS was beautiful!

Flacco's just weird like that. He'll do something dumb and make a bonehead play one minute and then do something that WOWs people in a positive way the next.