[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Eagles

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

1 hour ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

So we're paying 120mil for a puppet? He should have autonomy at the line to some degree, you know being as though he's a 9 yr QB

Autonomy at the line - he's had 8 different lines this year alone.  I think this was maybe the 2nd game in a row with the same linemen...

[Derrel]

another poor performance by the defense....can't see how this defense is so highly rated. I can't see them beating the Steelers (or Cincy) but can hope.

[hereweare]

3 minutes ago, Crusader said:

I don't blame Joe but this is insane.
Sep. 27, 2016
3tied. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens — $29,000,000
Position: Quarterback
2016 earnings breakdown: $4.0 million salary, $25.0 million signing bonus
One thing to know: Flacco restructured his last contract, basically turning his 2013 contract into a nine-year, $187 million deal with six years remaining.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-highest-paid-players-by-team-2016-9/#5-tom-brady-new-england-patriots--28764705-28

 Yes and no. They're running on 3year time periods. Signed 2013, restructure 2016, restructure again in 2019. He will be getting over $20mil a year, but the FO will lower his cap hit from the projected 26/28.

There's no way around paying a veteran capable QB. Franchises are lucky to already have great teams and then add a capable rookie contract QB

[Ravenole]

Swell of the HC to throw his staff under the bus. Flacco never even thought to see the linebacker. 

How did he throw anyone under the bus? He took the blame for not vetoing the call.

[J.O.14]

  4 hours ago, J.O.14 said:

  7 hours ago, steelraven said:

  10 hours ago, Ravens8383 said:

  12 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

What Ravens have you been watching for the past 20 years? This team is about nose to nose, down to the wire, fight to the end, never say never football!
The Ravens have always been a fiery, defensive, in the trenches, competitive team that did one of two things, either they rise to the level of play of their opponent or the bring out the best in the level of play of the opponent that they face! That is Ravens football and I for one respect it and enjoy it.

Amen!! I can not remember a time when someone said the Ravens have a hire power offense. This team has been about one thing since they moved to Baltimore and that is winning ulgy games and doing it with defense!

Then why pay Flacco all that money instead of spending it on the defense? Flacco should be put in jail for stealing all that money he's being paid. You don't get paid for what you did in the past, you get paid for what you should do in the future and since being paid twice after the super bowl and the extension he's done nothing but collect a check every week. But I can blame him though, I blame Ozzie. He gambles too much and now it's costing them.

But you do pay QBs for what they do in the past. You can complain about Flacco's pay all you want, if you have a DECENT QB, they are going to get paid a lot of money. You don't let a QB go after he just had one of the best post seasons ever. The going rate for QBs is ridiculous, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine being the Texans right now.

But did they have to pay him so much that the team suffers for years? Ravens won both Superbowl's not paying a Kings Ransom. Joe's not worth being the 4 highest paid QB in the NFL.Notice how quickly the Ravens fell out of serious contention when he got paid?

We had a ton of players leave/retire. We were looking forward to the future in 2013. 2014 we were a very good football team. Our secondary was depleted if you don't remember correctly. 2015, injuries again. This year, we are a good team. Just to inconsistent and I don't think we are in the same category as the top teams yet. Flacco's contract was set up nicely for the first 3 years after the SB, and we renegotiated a new one this year with his cap hit ballooning the way it did. Does Flacco deserve that contract? No. Absolutely not. Do we have a choice other than pay Flacco that money? No. Absolutely not. If you think we are struggling now, imagine what would happen if we had to start over at that position. Who would you get? What QB could we pick up that would provide us what Flacco does? Nobody. It is what it is. If you have a QB with Flacco's track record, especially in post season, he is going to get paid. A lot.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

24 minutes ago, Crusader said:

I don't blame Joe but this is insane.
Sep. 27, 2016
3tied. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens — $29,000,000
Position: Quarterback
2016 earnings breakdown: $4.0 million salary, $25.0 million signing bonus
One thing to know: Flacco restructured his last contract, basically turning his 2013 contract into a nine-year, $187 million deal with six years remaining.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-highest-paid-players-by-team-2016-9/#5-tom-brady-new-england-patriots--28764705-28

Flacco's cap hit 2016 is $22,500,00

Matt Ryan cap hit 2016 is $23,750,000 - how many Superbowls has he won?  How many playoff wins does he have?  He does however and has his entire career been throwing to HOF TE Gonzalez; Roddy White and Julio Jones....

Matthew Stafford cap hit 2016 is $22,500,000 - what's he won?  He had Megatron his entire career and what was he able to accomplish???

Romo cap hit is $20 million to be a back-up!!!!!!

Ravens organization had the opportunity to contract Joe before the Superbowl and they waited, their fault!!!  Had they of not given Joe that contract his FA year he would have received it from another team.  Look at what Texans gave Osweiler and what it good heaven has he ever done???

All of you fans that complain about Joe's salary; what did you expect to pay a QB who had his wins and playoff appearances and then who tied the best post season record in history of the NFL, super bowl winning QB and SB MVP???

Who would you prefer and how much would you be willing to pay them???????

 

[BiggMack91]

i want to see more of chris moore on the offense he looks like a playmaker but are defense is getting weak stop putting suggs on the edge make him a DE stop playing 4-3 put Timmy Brandon Terrell on the line rotate blitzing LB an for god sakes press at the line if you jam them for 2-3 seconds that would be sacks not hurries

[KidNme]

  4 hours ago, TheRavengers said:

If your own HEAD COACH thinks a play is a bad idea but allows it anyway, then that's on you. Also on Joe for not switching up at the time and just blindly agreeing with it, especially since we were actually running the ball all the day and our offense actually moved a bit better than last week.

Think back to the Seahawks-Pats Superbowl if you wanna see how throwing that close to the goal line near the end of a game worked out....

That is not the way the offense is run - not sure what you people don't understand - JOE RUNS THE PLAY AS CALLED - this offense has always done that and will continue to. The only time Joe seemed to have the decision making authority was in the 2012 playoffs. Other than that, the play that is sent in is the play that is ran. That's not up to Joe, that's up to the head coach!!

Joe can check out of a play and has done it more than once so there is some decision making allowed by him. So you're saying Joe had the ability to change or make play calls in 2012 but we took that away from him after him winning the AFC and SB in doing so that year? (Not sure how you got that inside information). They don't share that info with us but I guess you have a special bond with Harbs so by all means, continue to enlighten us all with your infinite wisdom.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

i want to see more of chris moore on the offense he looks like a playmaker but are defense is getting weak stop putting suggs on the edge make him a DE stop playing 4-3 put Timmy Brandon Terrell on the line rotate blitzing LB an for god sakes press at the line if you jam them for 2-3 seconds that would be sacks not hurries

Not going to happen; did you see his fumble on the k/o return??  You know Harbs hates fumblers!!

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

1 hour ago, KidNme said:

Joe can check out of a play and has done it more than once so there is some decision making allowed by him. So you're saying Joe had the ability to change or make play calls in 2012 but we took that away from him after him winning the AFC and SB in doing so that year? (Not sure how you got that inside information). They don't share that info with us but I guess you have a special bond with Harbs so by all means, continue to enlighten us all with your infinite wisdom.

I guess you totally didn't hear Joe's press conference did you?  Plus, it's been stated time and time again by offensive players that they run the play that is called. 

[dirtybird66]

who can't stand prevent defense,raise your hand?/ we have not learned how to play four quarters,make ajustments or finish teams.period.

[dirtybird66]

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

i want to see more of chris moore on the offense he looks like a playmaker but are defense is getting weak stop putting suggs on the edge make him a DE stop playing 4-3 put Timmy Brandon Terrell on the line rotate blitzing LB an for god sakes press at the line if you jam them for 2-3 seconds that would be sacks not hurries

Not going to happen; did you see his fumble on the k/o return??  You know Harbs hates fumblers!!

yeah,i loved the guy at first,he drops balls,fumbles,right there won'y get him any playing time.

[omar586]

14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

We win in spite of a horrible run defense that let a undrafted rookie RB playing in his 1st game, run all over us. Or in spite of Weddle not being able to make any sort of tackle on a rookie QB 1-on-1. The Eagles scored ZERO points on the INT. The defense choked just like in the Raiders and Giants game. I don't care what the rankings say, this defense is not a game changer or even one that can put away teams.

yeah, the coaches fault, couldn't adjust to that.

 

but not running the ball, is killing us big time, and our coaching staff are not creative with the run game, they will go into games and run the ball once or twice and say "see it doesn't work", they're just not committed to it or creative with it. for god sake be deceptive with it, run it from passing formation, spread them out and run it, heck don't even do all that just run it, its working as it is, just run it.

[fluffy201]

  6 hours ago, Crusader said:

I don't blame Joe but this is insane.
Sep. 27, 2016
3tied. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens — $29,000,000
Position: Quarterback
2016 earnings breakdown: $4.0 million salary, $25.0 million signing bonus
One thing to know: Flacco restructured his last contract, basically turning his 2013 contract into a nine-year, $187 million deal with six years remaining.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-highest-paid-players-by-team-2016-9/#5-tom-brady-new-england-patriots--28764705-28

Flacco's cap hit 2016 is $22,500,00

Matt Ryan cap hit 2016 is $23,750,000 - how many Superbowls has he won?  How many playoff wins does he have?  He does however and has his entire career been throwing to HOF TE Gonzalez; Roddy White and Julio Jones....

Matthew Stafford cap hit 2016 is $22,500,000 - what's he won?  He had Megatron his entire career and what was he able to accomplish???

Romo cap hit is $20 million to be a back-up!!!!!!

Ravens organization had the opportunity to contract Joe before the Superbowl and they waited, their fault!!!  Had they of not given Joe that contract his FA year he would have received it from another team.  Look at what Texans gave Osweiler and what it good heaven has he ever done???

All of you fans that complain about Joe's salary; what did you expect to pay a QB who had his wins and playoff appearances and then who tied the best post season record in history of the NFL, super bowl winning QB and SB MVP???

Who would you prefer and how much would you be willing to pay them???????

 

Lets get over the whole super bowl MVP thing. That's 4 years ago. He is playing like a high school quarterback as of late. I wish people would stop referring to past performance.

[Glen1024]

Therefore teams relying on their D are getting obsolete real fast. 

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Was it not just last season when the Broncos won the title playing how? Relying on what? The seahawks do what? Last years Panthers compared to this seasons team the difference is what? The ravens have a organizational philosophy that works for us and no matter the rule changes every dec/jan the best teams end up being teams who follow the blueprint including this season....think cowboys who with a rookie qb have found the blueprint and are executing it

[bigcatfrank1]

Therefore teams relying on their D are getting obsolete real fast. 

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Was it not just last season when the Broncos won the title playing how? Relying on what? The seahawks do what? Last years Panthers compared to this seasons team the difference is what? The ravens have a organizational philosophy that works for us and no matter the rule changes every dec/jan the best teams end up being teams who follow the blueprint including this season....think cowboys who with a rookie qb have found the blueprint and are executing it

if the Cowboys dont invest 4 years into the Offensive front line to protect Tony Romo that Rookie would be running for his life.

[bigcatfrank1]

  7 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

  8 hours ago, Crusader said:

I don't blame Joe but this is insane.
Sep. 27, 2016
3tied. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens — $29,000,000
Position: Quarterback
2016 earnings breakdown: $4.0 million salary, $25.0 million signing bonus
One thing to know: Flacco restructured his last contract, basically turning his 2013 contract into a nine-year, $187 million deal with six years remaining.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-highest-paid-players-by-team-2016-9/#5-tom-brady-new-england-patriots--28764705-28

Flacco's cap hit 2016 is $22,500,00

Matt Ryan cap hit 2016 is $23,750,000 - how many Superbowls has he won?  How many playoff wins does he have?  He does however and has his entire career been throwing to HOF TE Gonzalez; Roddy White and Julio Jones....

Matthew Stafford cap hit 2016 is $22,500,000 - what's he won?  He had Megatron his entire career and what was he able to accomplish???

Romo cap hit is $20 million to be a back-up!!!!!!

Ravens organization had the opportunity to contract Joe before the Superbowl and they waited, their fault!!!  Had they of not given Joe that contract his FA year he would have received it from another team.  Look at what Texans gave Osweiler and what it good heaven has he ever done???

All of you fans that complain about Joe's salary; what did you expect to pay a QB who had his wins and playoff appearances and then who tied the best post season record in history of the NFL, super bowl winning QB and SB MVP???

Who would you prefer and how much would you be willing to pay them???????

 

Lets get over the whole super bowl MVP thing. That's 4 years ago. He is playing like a high school quarterback as of late. I wish people would stop referring to past performance.

Then you would be paying for Tannahill, Cutler, Palmer or Sanchez because that is who the Ravens would have picked up. You think they would have been in any different situation you are wrong. This team was not going to lose enough games to get a #1 draft and they weren't going to give up enough to buy a #1 QB. So Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl for the Ravens getting paid for well below the NFL average. The Ravens made out like bandits! They are willing to pay now and since then, the Ravens have made it to the playoffs which earns the team more money. If Joe and the team make it again that's more money for the team....and the Super Bowl well that's the big cash in! Joe Flacco is well capable to take the Ravens to the Super Bowl, the question is will the rest of the Pro Bowlers on the team play at that level consistently every single game as you are asking. This team needs playmakers now!

[bigcatfrank1]

  20 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

What Ravens have you been watching for the past 20 years? This team is about nose to nose, down to the wire, fight to the end, never say never football!
The Ravens have always been a fiery, defensive, in the trenches, competitive team that did one of two things, either they rise to the level of play of their opponent or the bring out the best in the level of play of the opponent that they face! That is Ravens football and I for one respect it and enjoy it.

There's only one - IMHO fatal - flaw about this: NFL has been steadily shifting towards the offense. The O has been getting more and more protection, the D is allowed to do less and less without a sea of laundry landing on the grass. Therefore teams relying on their D are getting obsolete real fast. We're nearing - or maybe already at - the point where no matter how good your D is, the rules make it impossible to flourish and survive on the production oif your defense. Hate to bring it up as an example here, but the steelers seem to have understood this, turning their D-heavy team into an O-driven one. And, even if it sounds like a blasphemy here, I still think that's what the Ravens should do too. And it wouldn't even take an awful lot IMHO: a serviceable OC and a HC that doesn't hate - OK: neglect - the O as much, and understands it better than Harbaugh apparently does. I believe we have the rostrer to be a much, much better team than we currently are -. and to have a much, much more productive O than we currently have.
The problem is at the sidelines.

Points well taken, maybe going to a 70 man roster and a 20 game season might change that. It may equalize the balance of offensive consistency. Speed of the defense would increase and teams could carry an arsenal of players to perform at the higher point levels that we see now. Of course you also see what happens like the NE game and the GB games...winter football definitely takes its toll on offensive play in the North.

[Glen1024]

if the Cowboys dont invest 4 years into the Offensive front line to protect Tony Romo that Rookie would be running for his life.

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No doubt about that but my point was OUR WINNING FORMULA and about it being obsolete in today's league...which of course it's not but I was responding to another poster

Edited December 20, 2016 by Glen1024

[Swift 1]

13 hours ago, Crusader said:

The Ravens will be out coached in the Pittsburgh game. Pitts made second half adjustments that shut down Bengals and won the game. Something I have not seen the Ravens able to do.

I am glad you reminded me about the  Pittsburgh  coaches. I along with everybody else in here was ready to get rid of Harbs, but now I came to my senses and realized we could get a Tomlin.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Squealers vs. Ravens. On Christmas Day. For the Division. Does it get any better than that?

Well, you only get to watch it if you have the NFL network - which means most Ravens fans can't watch this game. Shame on you NFL & the Raven's Organization! Stevie B made a fortune being on the cutting edge of progress, now his organization and the NFL are living in the past hoping to keep ratings up for bigger TV deals. Get with the 21st century - we stream, we Netflix, we Hulu and if you force us to pick between watching the Ravens and paying $250 a month for a bloated Cable package, you're going to lose ratings and alienate fans. That's a flawed business model.

#GreedyNFL #CubanWasRight #HogsGetSlaughtered

[Fastynart]

The Ravens were lucky when the Eagles went for 2. If they had tied the game, the Ravens would have lost in overtime. The defense was abominable, letting the Eagles march the ball down the field on consecutive possessions. Even their run defense stunk it up. Gaping holes allowed Eagles runners first downs on runs up the middle. If Flacco makes the same kind of errors against the Steelers that he did against the Eagles the Ravens will be done before half time. His stupid fumble and even worse interception gave the Eagles 14 points, well 13 points. I don't know who is dumber, Flacco or Harbaugh.

[smalljaws]

Luck had nothing to do with the defeat of the Iggles. Execution with the game on the line did. One down and one to go for the Keystone sweep.

[Moderator 3]

9 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Squealers vs. Ravens. On Christmas Day. For the Division. Does it get any better than that?

Well, you only get to watch it if you have the NFL network - which means most Ravens fans can't watch this game. Shame on you NFL & the Raven's Organization! Stevie B made a fortune being on the cutting edge of progress, now his organization and the NFL are living in the past hoping to keep ratings up for bigger TV deals. Get with the 21st century - we stream, we Netflix, we Hulu and if you force us to pick between watching the Ravens and paying $250 a month for a bloated Cable package, you're going to lose ratings and alienate fans. That's a flawed business model.

#GreedyNFL #CubanWasRight #HogsGetSlaughtered

The game will air locally on NBC (WBAL).

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

10 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Squealers vs. Ravens. On Christmas Day. For the Division. Does it get any better than that?

Well, you only get to watch it if you have the NFL network - which means most Ravens fans can't watch this game. Shame on you NFL & the Raven's Organization! Stevie B made a fortune being on the cutting edge of progress, now his organization and the NFL are living in the past hoping to keep ratings up for bigger TV deals. Get with the 21st century - we stream, we Netflix, we Hulu and if you force us to pick between watching the Ravens and paying $250 a month for a bloated Cable package, you're going to lose ratings and alienate fans. That's a flawed business model.

#GreedyNFL #CubanWasRight #HogsGetSlaughtered

You're seriously blaming the Ravens when the NFL dictates this - that's why it's on NFL NETWORK!!  Most of the Ravens games are still broadcasted on local channels in the Baltimore viewing market.  Maybe they will stream it on the site...

Edited December 20, 2016 by ibleedpurpleandblack

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

6 hours ago, smalljaws said:

Luck had nothing to do with the defeat of the Iggles. Execution with the game on the line did. One down and one to go for the Keystone sweep.

No, we got lucky with Mosley's tipped ball because the receiver had the inside leverage on Powers.  Had Mosley not tipped the ball we would have lost.  Now you want to talk about execution - was it execution that let the Eagles drive 70 yards and be put in that situation?!?!?!?!?

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

7 hours ago, Fastynart said:

The Ravens were lucky when the Eagles went for 2. If they had tied the game, the Ravens would have lost in overtime. The defense was abominable, letting the Eagles march the ball down the field on consecutive possessions. Even their run defense stunk it up. Gaping holes allowed Eagles runners first downs on runs up the middle. If Flacco makes the same kind of errors against the Steelers that he did against the Eagles the Ravens will be done before half time. His stupid fumble and even worse interception gave the Eagles 14 points, well 13 points. I don't know who is dumber, Flacco or Harbaugh.

HIs stupid fumble was due to lack of pass protection by the O Line; people want Joe to stand in the pocket and deliver a strike - well the pocket can't collapse and its obvious the receivers need to do a better job getting separation!!! 

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

14 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

Lets get over the whole super bowl MVP thing. That's 4 years ago. He is playing like a high school quarterback as of late. I wish people would stop referring to past performance.

HAHAHA, haven't been around long have you?  Most of today's society is predicated on past performance - it's the only thing we can measure future performance on.  Offensively we are scoring more points on average yet our defense is giving up more points on average and it's the offenses, more directly Flacco's, fault when we lose.  Maybe if the defense wouldn't have let the Eagles march up and down the field, maybe if they would have gotten a couple more 3rd down stops...

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 1:28 PM, KidNme said:

Joe can check out of a play and has done it more than once so there is some decision making allowed by him. So you're saying Joe had the ability to change or make play calls in 2012 but we took that away from him after him winning the AFC and SB in doing so that year? (Not sure how you got that inside information). They don't share that info with us but I guess you have a special bond with Harbs so by all means, continue to enlighten us all with your infinite wisdom.

Straight from Yanda's mouth...

“It would be nice to run the ball more, but in the end, I found out with that over the years that’s Marty’s call. That’s John’s [Harbaugh] call,” right guard Marshal Yanda said.

“What helps is that you’re locked in to run the play that’s called, because that’s my job. That’s Marty’s job to call the plays. That’s John’s job. Let them do their job and we’ll do ours.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Joe-Flacco-Dennis-Pitta-Dont-Foresee-Change-At-Offensive-Coordinator/b2c53637-8226-440f-b656-d14ec5c9f360?_fromLogin=1