[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Eagles

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Ravens narrowly escape a truly catastrophic collapse. Getting away from rushing attack (again) almost ended Ravens season. Could argue this was Ravens' best offensive day of season.

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[PersianRaven]

We are not a good team. We can't hold a damn lead and when we are down, we can't catch up. Well, except the Cleveland game lol

[wmarkel]

Well our boy Flacco almost gave the game away with his stinky playing. I will Harbs would bench him just one time, maybe that would straighten him out.

[bioLarzen]

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

[bioLarzen]

Oh, and one more thing: I'"d be delighted to see Mornhinweg and Harbaugh go - but, as things are going, we'll see the two - or at least Harbaugh stay, and Pees - our only worthy coach at this point - leave for a HC job...

[ellicottraven]

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

On the money Bio! I'm with you on everything you posted. Totally inspirational coaching and very irritating defense of the players no matter how bad they played. It seems like he is afraid to call out players especially the star ones that sucked.

[ellicottraven]

  5 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

On the money Bio! I'm with you on everything you posted. Totally inspirational coaching and very irritating defense of the players no matter how bad they played. It seems like he is afraid to call out players especially the star ones that sucked.

I meant uninspirational coaching.

[thegooddoc456]

I can't stand Flacco anymore, I'm beginning to hate the dude. I can always count on him to do something to swing momentum back to the opponents. Besides the checkdowns, or dink and dunk garbage, it's quite the adventure when he dares to drive the ball down field. I can't believe this guy still hasn't learnt to get rid of the ball instead of eating the sack at crucial moments. Ducasse gotta go. Yeah, whenever I hear the Ravens have the number one defense, I just ask myself...how? On the positive side, I really like Kenneth Dixon, reminds me a lot of our very own Ray Rice...making something out of nothing and hard to bring down. Umm, I'm still glad we won.

[Steve32]

Oh, and one more thing: I'"d be delighted to see Mornhinweg and Harbaugh go - but, as things are going, we'll see the two - or at least Harbaugh stay, and Pees - our only worthy coach at this point - leave for a HC job...

Pees has no desire for a HC job, he's not going anywhere.
We need to get Norv Turner to be our OC next year.

[drillem]

Pure drivel. The assessment above bears no resemblance to the game I watched. Lousy execution, purely lousy coaching decisions, the win represents a collection of missteps that are difficult to watch. Certainly not the best offensive production of the year as stated. Let's get real. Unless someone lights a fire under this team, including it's coaching they are doomed. This game was a matter of luck, nothing else. Why Philadelphia spotted us 7 points up front at the beginning of the game just to make it interesting. Without that they lose.

[Bline1027]

No way Philadelphia should have been in this game with a rookie quarterback who could not pass. No defensive adjustments and lousy coaching with the late interception and bad quarterback play with the fumble inside the ten to give the eagles a easy score.

The Steelers will not gift wrap a w on Christmas with this kind of team play.

[designermaryland]

Flacco and Harbaugh continue to prove they have absolutely no football IQ whatsoever. Crucial moments are becoming crumbling points, fumbling deep in their own territory and making foolish decisions when they nearly have the game out of reach, only to hand the opponent more opportunities. They break the long Wallace pass up by 10. Stop being stupid - just ground a few runs to see where it gets you and take 3 if not. The stupidity is baffling. They cannot make a sound decision when it is staring them right in the face. It won't matter because Pittsburgh is going to end our season next week. I hope Harbaugh is gone in 2 weeks and we can start building a winner.

[Zeus]

We won against a team with a losing record.....that's all we're capable of doing this season

[Ravnswinagn]

Harbaugh has done one thing right. He eliminated any suspicion that there is anyone to blame but him for the mediocre play of the Ravens since the Super Bowl. No injuries to blame, the coaches are chosen by him, and we have talent on this team. The one constant is Harbaugh and his poor situational awareness and in game decision making. You have the first down on the 11 yd line with 6 minutes to kill and a 10 point lead. You just called a time out and are well aware of the play your OC wants to send in . You can veto the play but don't. Forget the apology later, that is inexcusable. Eat some clock and run the ball. If they score a TD great. If they don't score take the 3 points and the 13 point lead. Passing is all or nothing. A TD or an incomplete pass that stops the clock , only helping Philly.

[cobrajet]

55 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

I think this season, it is quite obvious that our coaching is not very good. I can't defend it this season at all!

[law215]

1. On Joe: It’s time to start thinking about the Ravens future QB. Joe is not accurate, he does not read defense very well, and he is turning over the football. He needs everything around him to be in place in order for him to be successful (A good O-line, a good run game, a good OC, good receivers, vets to provide emotional spark, and a great defense to minimize the impact of his mistakes).

The issue is his salary prevents the front office from having all of that in place at the same time. Either through draft or free agency, bring someone in to push him and look to the future.
9 years, 5 OCs, 0 excuses left.

2. On Coaching: I think Marty play called his way out of being the OC for next season. When your coach goes in front of the press and says ‘worst call ever’, then you are going to lose your job. I don’t give John credit for taking responsibility because he threw Marty under the bus while doing it.
He talked about vetoing the play call. His staff should be smart, aware of the situation, and in sync with the game plan.

3. Defense: Eagles front man-handled the Ravens defense in the run game. That’s our strength and they shredded us on the ground.

Williams, Guy, Jernigan did not make a case for breaking the bank to keep them after that butt whipping. It had nothing to do with play calling. Eagle’s offensive line just pushed them around. They need to turn it around.

Teams that break the bank on DT do not do well (JJ Watt- Texans, Haynesworth-Skins, Suh-Dolphins). None of them managed to be a perennial playoff team or win a Superbowl.

I hope we keep at least Williams, but Front office is already overpaying too many guys.

4. Front office: Too many 1st and 2nd round guys not making an impact on this team. OZ always rely on vets to keep team competitive to cover-up the poor drafts by him and DeCosta.

First it was injuries, then lacking playmakers. This season makes me believe it has been the coaching all along. If the Ravens miss the playoffs, what will they say?


5. Ravens vs Steelers doesn’t get any better with playoffs on the line. Better coaching and QB play would have prevented this situation, but it is what it is.

[b93333]

1. On Joe: It’s time to start thinking about the Ravens future QB. Joe is not accurate, he does not read defense very well, and he is turning over the football. He needs everything around him to be in place in order for him to be successful (A good O-line, a good run game, a good OC, good receivers, vets to provide emotional spark, and a great defense to minimize the impact of his mistakes).

The issue is his salary prevents the front office from having all of that in place at the same time. Either through draft or free agency, bring someone in to push him and look to the future.
9 years, 5 OCs, 0 excuses left.

2. On Coaching: I think Marty play called his way out of being the OC for next season. When your coach goes in front of the press and says ‘worst call ever’, then you are going to lose your job. I don’t give John credit for taking responsibility because he threw Marty under the bus while doing it.
He talked about vetoing the play call. His staff should be smart, aware of the situation, and in sync with the game plan.

3. Defense: Eagles front man-handled the Ravens defense in the run game. That’s our strength and they shredded us on the ground.

Williams, Guy, Jernigan did not make a case for breaking the bank to keep them after that butt whipping. It had nothing to do with play calling. Eagle’s offensive line just pushed them around. They need to turn it around.

Teams that break the bank on DT do not do well (JJ Watt- Texans, Haynesworth-Skins, Suh-Dolphins). None of them managed to be a perennial playoff team or win a Superbowl.

I hope we keep at least Williams, but Front office is already overpaying too many guys.

4. Front office: Too many 1st and 2nd round guys not making an impact on this team. OZ always rely on vets to keep team competitive to cover-up the poor drafts by him and DeCosta.

First it was injuries, then lacking playmakers. This season makes me believe it has been the coaching all along. If the Ravens miss the playoffs, what will they say?


5. Ravens vs Steelers doesn’t get any better with playoffs on the line. Better coaching and QB play would have prevented this situation, but it is what it is.

You pretty much summed things up. We can still hope that playing Pittsburgh will wake us up... but I'm certainly not going to bet on it based on what I watched today.

[bioLarzen]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh, and one more thing: I'"d be delighted to see Mornhinweg and Harbaugh go - but, as things are going, we'll see the two - or at least Harbaugh stay, and Pees - our only worthy coach at this point - leave for a HC job...

Pees has no desire for a HC job, he's not going anywhere.
We need to get Norv Turner to be our OC next year.

Sadly, we can all remember how Gary Kubiak said he'll entertain no offers and remain in Baltimore - about a week before he was lured away by Elway...
Also, Bruce Arians said a good couple of times that he's not really into the idea of being a HC, when he was in Pittsburgh... And now he's a HC.
So, I would definitely not rule out Pees being open to offers if they receives them... Let's hope I'm wrong about this though.

[Crusader]

I see Perriman dropped another pass and disappeared. I realy liked to see what Chris Moore could do but I wonder if he can take a hit Last, I cannot blame the defense on this game. The offense 3 and outs have alot to do with it and more film on these defense guys.

[scottsdaleazravensfan]

Still cannot believe we almost lost that game . Cannot imagine how we would've felt if they blew this game . Let's celebrate a second Thanksgiving . Not at all confident going into Pittsburgh but felt the same at the end of the 2012 regular season .

[btfan2]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

I think this season, it is quite obvious that our coaching is not very good. I can't defend it this season at all!

I agree it's so clearly obvious that Harbaugh is in way over his head. The majority of our coaching staff is just not good. We have players that play their hearts out yet we get worse and worse.

I'm at a loss about Joe, he has the talent but; seems to get worse every week. I do understand that receivers are not doing what is needed all the time and today Joe had to throw the ball away to avoid interceptions at least 2 times that I saw. The interception that he had well I don't know. I really like Joe. I think with the right coaching Joe and this offense could be very good. At this moment in time they stink!

Unless we make some changes, big changes we will be watching this game or worse for the next how many years without the gift of unearned wins. Another thing that bothered me, the players seemed to be unaware of how poorly they played? How does that happen?

I agree watching this game today was agony.....

[Crusader]

There's a lot of great players on this team it just seems management is the weakest link. Did anyone see Joe's look just before the SSS touchdown? There is an issue with the offense coach and Joe.

[huntrgathrr]

What troubles me about the Ravens is a lack of consistency. I follow them religiously and I have no idea who they are. Great defense plays horribly, horrible offense plays great, coaches make bonehead decisions giving opponents a chance to win games....it starting to make me sick at my stomach.
One thing is for sure....Tucker is money and the only thing the Ravens can actually count on. Also for sure, the secondary (and therefore the defense) is helpless without Jimmy Smith. Another thing we can count on is that Flacco is so inconsistent that he must be doing it on purpose. Sometimes he looks like Joe Montana and in the blink of an eye he looks like he's on heroin.
I can't figure this team out and have no idea what to expect from them. It's crazy but even the coaches appear to be schizophrenic (except Pees who has done an incredible job).
They could shut out the Steelers next week or lose by 30. Who knows??
But it's clear that something needs to change to get back to the team we used to be. Now that I've said that they will probably win out and go to the Super Bowl.

[bigcatfrank1]

So, we're at the point when our beloved Ravens can't even win in a way that leaves us happy. Yep, a W is a W - but we are not the Browns or Jags to be happy about any W, no matetr how it was achieved... Yep, there are some games where the W is the ONLY thing (the Super Bowl, any palyoff game, any steelers game, any Pats game) - but other times the game is also important. And today was just disheartening. When we hoped the O would maybe play something as good as the D - the D tried to play as bad as the O... and all this before the steelers game... If things don't change radically in a week, it's gonna be a whitewash in Pittshburgh... and not in our favor. So far we had an O that faltered, playing frighteningly inconsistently, but at least we had a D to rely on. Today we had the same O - with a D that didn't resemble the one we've had so far...

This was the game I've given up on Harbaugh. I simply can't believe in him anymore, sorry. And even if we end up winning the Super Bowl (yeah, I know...) I won't ever believe in him. This season was about his unraveling. Last season there was all the injuries to put the blame on - this season it's become painfully obvious that it's not the roster to blame. I'm convinced we have the players to be much, much better a team than who we currently are. I'm more than sure that if we had the coaching staff half as good as the Pats have, we'd long be in the playoffs...

But we have Harbaugh and Mornhinweg... and a team that's simply no fun to watch, but 3 hours of mostly agony. Please, Steve... give us back our entertaining Ravens.

We can be thankful we have Pees and a lot of great players who are somehow able to counter all the coaching nightmare we've seen so far...

What is Interesting about this is that Not Only Flacco is dealing with a new OC each year for the last 8 years but so is Harbaugh. And to boot he fired one at 6 games into the season this year. So not to disagree with all the pundits here but i think there is some relevance to the situation. Actually we should be quite surprised, many teams that change coaches and struggle fall flat on their faces. At least the Ravens scratch and claw, fight and screw up.

[bigcatfrank1]

What troubles me about the Ravens is a lack of consistency. I follow them religiously and I have no idea who they are. Great defense plays horribly, horrible offense plays great, coaches make bonehead decisions giving opponents a chance to win games....it starting to make me sick at my stomach.
One thing is for sure....Tucker is money and the only thing the Ravens can actually count on. Also for sure, the secondary (and therefore the defense) is helpless without Jimmy Smith. Another thing we can count on is that Flacco is so inconsistent that he must be doing it on purpose. Sometimes he looks like Joe Montana and in the blink of an eye he looks like he's on heroin.
I can't figure this team out and have no idea what to expect from them. It's crazy but even the coaches appear to be schizophrenic (except Pees who has done an incredible job).
They could shut out the Steelers next week or lose by 30. Who knows??
But it's clear that something needs to change to get back to the team we used to be. Now that I've said that they will probably win out and go to the Super Bowl.

Flacco is not Montana, we all know that, the thing is that the entire team including the coaching staff including the fans are going through the same problem. This is a team that fired an OC at 6 games into the season. It is a team that had major injuries for 5 games and lost 4 of them in a row. This is a team that struggles to regain its momentum when an opponent gets motivated by the call of the CHALLANGE! This is a team that when it makes mistakes, they seem to come at the perfectly wrong time. They also are making too many mistakes as a Team! No one player is to blame for the season turmoil certainly not Joe Flacco, if anything he again has been same ole Joe' he will most probably hit 4000 yds and all of his stats, The Ravens will finish with a better record and if the team can manage to play to their potential they have a shot at the playoffs. So quit all this crying and go get the darn trophy!

[bigcatfrank1]

What Ravens have you been watching for the past 20 years? This team is about nose to nose, down to the wire, fight to the end, never say never football!
The Ravens have always been a fiery, defensive, in the trenches, competitive team that did one of two things, either they rise to the level of play of their opponent or the bring out the best in the level of play of the opponent that they face! That is Ravens football and I for one respect it and enjoy it.

[bigcatfrank1]

  1 hour ago, huntrgathrr said:

What troubles me about the Ravens is a lack of consistency. I follow them religiously and I have no idea who they are. Great defense plays horribly, horrible offense plays great, coaches make bonehead decisions giving opponents a chance to win games....it starting to make me sick at my stomach.
One thing is for sure....Tucker is money and the only thing the Ravens can actually count on. Also for sure, the secondary (and therefore the defense) is helpless without Jimmy Smith. Another thing we can count on is that Flacco is so inconsistent that he must be doing it on purpose. Sometimes he looks like Joe Montana and in the blink of an eye he looks like he's on heroin.
I can't figure this team out and have no idea what to expect from them. It's crazy but even the coaches appear to be schizophrenic (except Pees who has done an incredible job).
They could shut out the Steelers next week or lose by 30. Who knows??
But it's clear that something needs to change to get back to the team we used to be. Now that I've said that they will probably win out and go to the Super Bowl.

Flacco is not Montana, we all know that, the thing is that the entire team including the coaching staff including the fans are going through the same problem. This is a team that fired an OC at 6 games into the season. It is a team that had major injuries for 5 games and lost 4 of them in a row. This is a team that struggles to regain its momentum when an opponent gets motivated by the call of the CHALLANGE! This is a team that when it makes mistakes, they seem to come at the perfectly wrong time. They also are making too many mistakes as a Team! No one player is to blame for the season turmoil certainly not Joe Flacco, if anything he again has been same ole Joe' he will most probably hit 4000 yds and all of his stats, The Ravens will finish with a better record and if the team can manage to play to their potential they have a shot at the playoffs. So quit all this crying and go get the darn trophy!

example: have you ever played golf with a good golfer? ya know a friend, nice guy, better than you at golf. You know how you play a little better that day. You manage to make a few better shots, you do few things right, you get some momentum, it rubs off.

Ever played with somebody not as good as you? do the words like inconsistency, mistakes, missed ques come to mind?
This is very relative in sports.

[omar586]

so, we win in spite of our own coaches, that's sad

[Ravens8383]

What Ravens have you been watching for the past 20 years? This team is about nose to nose, down to the wire, fight to the end, never say never football!
The Ravens have always been a fiery, defensive, in the trenches, competitive team that did one of two things, either they rise to the level of play of their opponent or the bring out the best in the level of play of the opponent that they face! That is Ravens football and I for one respect it and enjoy it.

Amen!! I can not remember a time when someone said the Ravens have a hire power offense. This team has been about one thing since they moved to Baltimore and that is winning ulgy games and doing it with defense!

[TheConquerorWorm]

so, we win in spite of our own coaches, that's sad

We win in spite of a horrible run defense that let a undrafted rookie RB playing in his 1st game, run all over us. Or in spite of Weddle not being able to make any sort of tackle on a rookie QB 1-on-1. The Eagles scored ZERO points on the INT. The defense choked just like in the Raiders and Giants game. I don't care what the rankings say, this defense is not a game changer or even one that can put away teams.