Blocked FG

[Prino61]

Should a blocked kick count as a miss FG for J.Tucker?(saw this question on Facebook)

[Rav'n Maniac]

4 minutes ago, Prino61 said:

Should a blocked kick count as a miss FG for J.Tucker?(saw this question on Facebook)

Imo no it shouldn't. This is one rule I'm not in agreement with. It is a team missed attempt and shouldn't fall directly on JT's shoulders or stats.

[Tank 92]

It's listed in the kicking stats as a block. But obviously it was an attempt that wasn't made so...........

http://www.nfl.com/player/justintucker/2536340/careerstats

Edited December 17, 2016 by Tank 92

[K-Dog]

He didn't make it, so he didn't make it.

[omar586]

the snapper should have notice the guys is trying to jump over him he could have took penalty or not snap the ball at all and get a D offside, dont they coach this to players, gosh. 

[omar586]

1 hour ago, Prino61 said:

Should a blocked kick count as a miss FG for J.Tucker?(saw this question on Facebook)

he missed/blocked fg, we can't change the rules at our convenience, we're not the PATS, lol.

[Tank 92]

8 minutes ago, omar586 said:

the snapper should have notice the guys is trying to jump over him he could have took penalty or not snap the ball at all and get a D offside, dont they coach this to players, gosh. 

whaaaat?

[January J]

The timing of their routine is so obvious. Tucker kicks his foot into the ground about two times and does the little shoulder movement and about 2 seconds later the ball is snapped  like clockwork. A team like new England will pick up on little knitnacks like that everytime. You have to switch up the snap count or simply raise your head as the center. Can't believe how easy they made it look. Embarrassing.

[RavensFanMania]

18 minutes ago, January J said:

The timing of their routine is so obvious. Tucker kicks his foot into the ground about two times and does the little shoulder movement and about 2 seconds later the ball is snapped  like clockwork. A team like new England will pick up on little knitnacks like that everytime. You have to switch up the snap count or simply raise your head as the center. Can't believe how easy they made it look. Embarrassing.

I understand that something could have been done to avoid this like Cox lifting his head up.  But to state that the timing is like clockwork as a negative because it got blocked this time is ridiculous.  The consistency by tucker or cox, Koch and Tucker is amazing.  No other team has it so good.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Seriously? Is there something this fan base won't complain about?

 

Smh

[K-Dog]

5 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Seriously? Is there something this fan base won't complain about?

No.

[rmcjacket23]

FYI, the play we are discussing (a defender leaping over the center to block a kick) is likely to be reviewed and perhaps made illegal in the future.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, January J said:

The timing of their routine is so obvious. Tucker kicks his foot into the ground about two times and does the little shoulder movement and about 2 seconds later the ball is snapped  like clockwork. A team like new England will pick up on little knitnacks like that everytime. You have to switch up the snap count or simply raise your head as the center. Can't believe how easy they made it look. Embarrassing.

Well, in our defense, it order for that play to work, you also need a player agile and athletic enough to jump over a center and get penetration enough to block the kick.

AND all without touching anybody he is jumping over. We've seen this same play tried probably dozens of times, and the overwhelming majority of the time the guy going for the block doesn't clear the lineman, and is penalized for it.

We aren't the only team in the league that has a kicker who likes a specific routine and can time our kicking snap counts easily. If this were as easy of a block as some fans think it was, we would see it happen a whole lot more than 2-3 times a year league-wide (out of what amounts to hundreds of kicks per year).

Edited December 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Steve0x]

Thats an illegal play. You cannot huddle to block a field goal anymore. Seahawks were penalized for that some years ago.Scroll to 0:50 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2016 by Steve0x

[Moderator 3]

You may if you don't leverage off another player.

[January J]

21 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I understand that something could have been done to avoid this like Cox lifting his head up.  But to state that the timing is like clockwork as a negative because it got blocked this time is ridiculous.  The consistency by tucker or cox, Koch and Tucker is amazing.  No other team has it so good.

 

20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, in our defense, it order for that play to work, you also need a player agile and athletic enough to jump over a center and get penetration enough to block the kick.

AND all without touching anybody he is jumping over. We've seen this same play tried probably dozens of times, and the overwhelming majority of the time the guy going for the block doesn't clear the lineman, and is penalized for it.

We aren't the only team in the league that has a kicker who likes a specific routine and can time our kicking snap counts easily. If this were as easy of a block as some fans think it was, we would see it happen a whole lot more than 2-3 times a year league-wide (out of what amounts to hundreds of kicks per year).

While I agree to an extent and its hard to complain about a group that's been nearly perfect all year long- but when you do something the exact same way every single time in the same amount of time- yeah you might get away with it the first 12 weeks or so - but eventually teams pick up on stuff like that and will use any little thing to get an advantage. I know its knit picking- but a team like the pats will study every little thing ,exploit your weakness or vulnerability and expose you. Against a team like that the little things matter- such as feild position , discipline and timing- all of which we failed at. We should have seen that coming and switched up the snap count.. Not every team will let you get things the easy way.

[Ravensfan23]

57 minutes ago, January J said:

 

While I agree to an extent and its hard to complain about a group that's been nearly perfect all year long- but when you do something the exact same way every single time in the same amount of time- yeah you might get away with it the first 12 weeks or so - but eventually teams pick up on stuff like that and will use any little thing to get an advantage. I know its knit picking- but a team like the pats will study every little thing ,exploit your weakness or vulnerability and expose you. Against a team like that the little things matter- such as feild position , discipline and timing- all of which we failed at. We should have seen that coming and switched up the snap count.. Not every team will let you get things the easy way.

So what happens when you try to switch things up just because you are playing the Pats and Tucker missing because the usual timing of the Kick isn't there? The Pats just made a play kudos to them. It happens. 

[January J]

22 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

So what happens when you try to switch things up just because you are playing the Pats and Tucker missing because the usual timing of the Kick isn't there? The Pats just made a play kudos to them. It happens. 

J tuck missing!? Pshhhh lol.

Anyway Tucker should be (is) enough of a pro that the snap count shouldn't matter in regards to making the kick. When  they hike the ball, do your job..doesn't mean you have to hike the ball at the exact same time every feild goal attempt..  That's just asking for trouble. Its hard to criticize tuck for anything since he's been so lights out, and if anything I put it on the center for not getting his head up. The holder calls out the snap on a feild goal attempt correct? Never really thought about that.

Edited December 19, 2016 by January J

[Ravensfan23]

5 hours ago, January J said:

J tuck missing!? Pshhhh lol.

Anyway Tucker should be (is) enough of a pro that the snap count shouldn't matter in regards to making the kick. When  they hike the ball, do your job..doesn't mean you have to hike the ball at the exact same time every feild goal attempt..  That's just asking for trouble. Its hard to criticize tuck for anything since he's been so lights out, and if anything I put it on the center for not getting his head up. The holder calls out the snap on a feild goal attempt correct? Never really thought about that.

correct me if i'm wrong but that was Tucker's first career block wasn't it? sounds like a bit of an overraction to a player making a  play that not everyone can make. You can change up the seconds between the snap maybe but you certainly don't want to change the routine that the Wolfpack has. Kicking is all about routine

[January J]

16 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

correct me if i'm wrong but that was Tucker's first career block wasn't it? sounds like a bit of an overraction to a player making a  play that not everyone can make. You can change up the seconds between the snap maybe but you certainly don't want to change the routine that the Wolfpack has. Kicking is all about routine

Not sure but thats a heck of a feat if so- to go 4 years in the league with only 1 block? Point taken.