[News] Late For Work 12/16: 46 Ravens-Eagles Picks; Tense Practice As Steve Smith Throws Helmet

[nj_ravens]

  58 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

  1 hour ago, respecttheRaven said:

My heart went out to Joe last game when....how many balls were dropped that were right into their hands??!! I saw at least 4!!!! C'mon man........You can't put it ALL on his back. The offense has to work like a well oiled machine, their just low on oil. How many games this year has the O-line been whole,.... healthy? 3,4 games? I understand that some people need to blame "someone" but it all can't be on him. That's all you see around here anymore. Oh, and most of those balls that were dropped were for pretty good yardage.......and the penalties!!!! How many plays were brought back??!! I am not saying anyone is perfect....just saying it is a team effort...all the way around!!!!    

The hate really amazes me. Joe has messed up plenty and most certainly deserves criticism. He does need to do better, no doubt about that. The money he is paid is thrown around constantly, but it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost. They make more than the other positions on the field. I believe a lot of the vicious hate is rooted in jealousy of his wealth and success.

"it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost"

No- $120 million is what TOP TIER Quarterbacks cost. Joe is currently bottom tier (lower than 25th), and has been 3 of the 4 years since his postseason run. That is where a lot of the frustration comes from.

How is he lower than 25th if he's 5th in passing yards this year? are you talking QBR or something? What is he 25th at?

And wrong, $18mil+/year is now starter money, not just top tier money. Joe makes a little more because, in case you forgot, he won us a Superbowl. Sure you want him to be better, but he got his market value. Tyrod is making $18mil a year for crying out loud.

[Minionhunter]

  2 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

If SSS is right, and if Flacco is missing passes, checking down too early, too lackadaisical, then what do we do? Flacco's not going anywhere. How do we get him to produce?

Monday night, when Brady chewed out Edelman, I wondered what Flacco would have done in the same situation with Pitta. They would have gone over to the sideline and laughed about it.

I feel bad for Smith. He wants to go out with a bang, and this team is not giving him that.

Smith has said in the past, without being asked about it, that he prefers "calm", and that he loves playing with a qb with Joe's demeanor. He referenced a play in his first game here, where he dropped a pass, and came back to the huddle expecting to get chewed out, and Flacco simply called the next play. He also mentioned a time in his first training camp where he was yelling at Joe for not getting the ball, and Flacco simply responded, "get your depth." He raved about Flacco's leadership style and calm confidence, and again, he wasn't asked about it. He completely brought that up on his own.

Sometimes an emotional outburst is just that - an emotional outburst. It doesn't mean Steve Smith has any issues with Flacco.

I'm in agreement here with you. Steve may be getting ansy though. Last week he said "We go as Joe goes" which I didn't know how to take at the time. Also Joe wants his recievers to be where they are supposed to be and he is really accurate, hence the "get your depth" comment. Steve also missed one and Joe got on him for it early in this past game, and even Gruden commented on it. Steve is coming to the end of things and wants the ball and wants it to be there. I'm not worried.

[The Greek]

2 hours ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

3 hours ago, respecttheRaven said:

My heart went out to Joe last game when....how many balls were dropped that were right into their hands??!! I saw at least 4!!!! C'mon man........You can't put it ALL on his back. The offense has to work like a well oiled machine, their just low on oil. How many games this year has the O-line been whole,.... healthy? 3,4 games? I understand that some people need to blame "someone" but it all can't be on him. That's all you see around here anymore. Oh, and most of those balls that were dropped were for pretty good yardage.......and the penalties!!!! How many plays were brought back??!! I am not saying anyone is perfect....just saying it is a team effort...all the way around!!!!    

The hate really amazes me. Joe has messed up plenty and most certainly deserves criticism. He does need to do better, no doubt about that. The money he is paid is thrown around constantly, but it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost. They make more than the other positions on the field. I believe a lot of the vicious hate is rooted in jealousy of his wealth and success.

castillo and receiver coach bobby engram should be replaced at seasons end. we cannot develop receivers. saints drafted receiver michael thomas in the 2nd rd with pick 47 and he has 800 plus yards and 8 td's thus far while perriman has lagged behind. if he is another torrey smith than what a waste of a pick by the front office yet once again when we could have had thomas. did the scouts drop the ball or was this ozzies decision.

Edited December 16, 2016 by The Greek

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

"I did it because I wanted to..." Awesome. I am sure the rest of the team and the coaching staff appreciated that. And although he doesn't HAVE to answer the question honestly or at all, he could end all the speculation if he just answered it like an adult instead of a spoiled child. I would also like to hear John Harbaugh's thoughts on this and what exactly he did afterward. What head coach lets any player just walk off of practice like that unless that player is hurt? That is inmates running the asylum so to speak and that's exactly what got Billick fired.

I also don't like Suggs' suggestion that people are making a mountain out of a molehill. It isn't every day that one of your star players goes off on a tirade, tossing their helmet twice, kicking a football off the field, and then storming off and removing themselves from practice. That's kind of a story and I'd like to know whether it was Smith upset at himself for not being able to run like he once did, which I would totally buy and get if he said that, or if he was ticked off with Joe because he didn't seem to be as serious and as focused as Smith himself is and whether that was a perception or reality due to Joe's catatonic facial expressions.

One way to stop rumors and speculation about a story is to get out in front of it. Now you got to deal with it being what it is.

perfectly said!!

[OriolesMagicPlease]

4 minutes ago, nj_ravens said:

How is he lower than 25th if he's 5th in passing yards this year? are you talking QBR or something? What is he 25th at?

And wrong, $18mil+/year is now starter money, not just top tier money. Joe makes a little more because, in case you forgot, he won us a Superbowl. Sure you want him to be better, but he got his market value. Tyrod is making $18mil a year for crying out loud.

It is a weak argument that is often pulled out when they want to bash the heck out of Joe.

[Minionhunter]

If SSS is right, and if Flacco is missing passes, checking down too early, too lackadaisical, then what do we do? Flacco's not going anywhere. How do we get him to produce?

Monday night, when Brady chewed out Edelman, I wondered what Flacco would have done in the same situation with Pitta. They would have gone over to the sideline and laughed about it.

I feel bad for Smith. He wants to go out with a bang, and this team is not giving him that.

Why do you assume Steve is saying Joe is missing passes when he, by his own admission, has lost a step. He, also by his own admission, is tougher on himself than anyone else, saying what he does to motivate himself. If might be he is angry for not being faster or getting to where he needed to be when he needed to be there. There are a lot of reason a pass is overthrown, not just the QB throwing it too far because he erred. Joe is throwing to a spot and the spot is based on timing, we didn't see it so we don't know why the ball was not caught and appeared overthrown.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

4 minutes ago, The Greek said:

castillo and receiver coach bobby engram should be replaced at seasons end. we cannot develop receivers. saints drafted receiver michael thomas in the 2nd rd with pick 47 and he has 800 pus yards and 8 td's thus far while perriman has lagged behind. if he is another torrey smith than what a waste of a pick by the front office yet once again when we could have had thomas. did the scouts drop the ball or was this ozzies decision.

That is my point, that I make over and over again. Other factors contributing to the numbers. There is something wrong with the offensive system here and it is not mostly on Joe. Emotions run high after losses, I get that, No one likes to lose, but all objectivity is lost when we do.

[Minionhunter]

When the patriots play the Ravens, they pull out all tricks out of their bag to beat us. But when we play them, we stick to our vanilla scheme. When the offense needs something desperate I don't understand why we don't do any trick plays anymore that could spark some fire. We used to do this in Flacco's initial years but we stopped them completely in recent years.

Yeah, the offense, it is on MM. Even the Pats homers and "neutral" commenters up here were picking apart where it was MM causing this stuff. He is not the right guy as much as MT was not the right guy, but his is friendly with Harbs and from the Andy Reid coaching tree (clock mismanagement University - slow pace and 2 minute drills). Harbs needs to get savage and cut out the cancer on the offensive side of the ball this offseason, gut it to the point of cut out healthy stuff (TE coaching and WR coaching) if it that is what it takes to get rid of MM and Castillo. Put in a good system even taking a risk with a great coordinator from college if he wants to bring in his entire staff, but just make sure they can hold onto them longer than a year.

[b93333]

1 hour ago, robbie29 said:

"it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost"

No- $120 million is what TOP TIER Quarterbacks cost. Joe is currently bottom tier (lower than 25th), and has been 3 of the 4 years since his postseason run. That is where a lot of the frustration comes from.

Actually Joe has the highest contract averaged per year of any NFL QB... per the Cheat Sheet.  Anyone out there think Joe is anywhere near playing up to his contract?

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, The Greek said:

castillo and receiver coach bobby engram should be replaced at seasons end. we cannot develop receivers. saints drafted receiver michael thomas in the 2nd rd with pick 47 and he has 800 pus yards and 8 td's thus far while perriman has lagged behind. if he is another torrey smith than what a waste of a pick by the front office yet once again when we could have had thomas. did the scouts drop the ball or was this ozzies decision.

This is something ive asked about before and haven't had much feed back.  Do we even have WR scouts? The fact we have never really developed a WR says a lot, I mean we didn't develop Torrey, he was a speedster that did his job well. 

 

1 minute ago, b93333 said:

Actually Joe has the highest contract averaged per year of any NFL QB... per the Cheat Sheet.  Anyone out there think Joe is anywhere near playing up to his contract?

 Market value,  pretty simple

[Minionhunter]

"“I take responsibility for this happening,” Rosburg said. “I take it very personally. It’s my fault that he didn’t have better opportunities to return and really show what he can do. We didn’t block well enough for him, we didn’t coach well enough for him, and when I talked to Devin, as you might expect, his response was, ‘It’s a team thing.’ He took full responsibility, and he understands that we all have to do this together. It was telling on his character, and that’s the kind of man he is.”

Sorry, Jerry, but I call BS here. If, as you say, it wasn't Hester's fault that he wasn't nearly as effective as hoped - then why was he released in the first place? Was he fired because his support cast didn't do a good enough job???

You can tell from BB game plan vs. Hester. Kick deep so he takes a knee (BB never does that this year) so Hester still dangerous with time and room to run. But kick it high and right to him on punts, Hester has the yips and his decision making is bad currently. You need go no farther than that to see what is up with Hester. Also BB worked him out, but didn't sign him. Likely to see what Hester said the game plan was against them with the Ravens just in case they have to face us again this year.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

3 minutes ago, b93333 said:

Actually Joe has the highest contract averaged per year of any NFL QB... per the Cheat Sheet.  Anyone out there think Joe is anywhere near playing up to his contract?

Luck, Brees and Palmer are paid more. But they are all paid what the market demands.

[JD08]

  1 hour ago, robbie29 said:

  1 hour ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

  2 hours ago, respecttheRaven said:

My heart went out to Joe last game when....how many balls were dropped that were right into their hands??!! I saw at least 4!!!! C'mon man........You can't put it ALL on his back. The offense has to work like a well oiled machine, their just low on oil. How many games this year has the O-line been whole,.... healthy? 3,4 games? I understand that some people need to blame "someone" but it all can't be on him. That's all you see around here anymore. Oh, and most of those balls that were dropped were for pretty good yardage.......and the penalties!!!! How many plays were brought back??!! I am not saying anyone is perfect....just saying it is a team effort...all the way around!!!!    

The hate really amazes me. Joe has messed up plenty and most certainly deserves criticism. He does need to do better, no doubt about that. The money he is paid is thrown around constantly, but it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost. They make more than the other positions on the field. I believe a lot of the vicious hate is rooted in jealousy of his wealth and success.

"it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost"

No- $120 million is what TOP TIER Quarterbacks cost. Joe is currently bottom tier (lower than 25th), and has been 3 of the 4 years since his postseason run. That is where a lot of the frustration comes from.

How is he lower than 25th if he's 5th in passing yards this year? are you talking QBR or something? What is he 25th at?

And wrong, $18mil+/year is now starter money, not just top tier money. Joe makes a little more because, in case you forgot, he won us a Superbowl. Sure you want him to be better, but he got his market value. Tyrod is making $18mil a year for crying out loud.

18mil is NOW starter money, your right...back when he signed the contract though it was top tier, he should've been paid significantly lower, I like Joe...but Anquan Boldin and Pitta got him that contract cuz he was flailing the ball up like he always does, Boldin n Pitta were just coming down with amazing catches

[OriolesMagicPlease]

2 minutes ago, JD08 said:

18mil is NOW starter money, your right...back when he signed the contract though it was top tier, he should've been paid significantly lower, I like Joe...but Anquan Boldin and Pitta got him that contract cuz he was flailing the ball up like he always does, Boldin n Pitta were just coming down with amazing catches

Because that is what receivers are supposed to do.

Edited December 16, 2016 by OriolesMagicPlease

[usmccharles]

17 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Luck, Brees and Palmer are paid more. But they are all paid what the market demands.

Some people just can't grasp this concept.  Most people learn this at a second grade lunch table when trying to trade a green-bean for a chocolate milk. 

[JD08]

  18 minutes ago, JD08 said:

18mil is NOW starter money, your right...back when he signed the contract though it was top tier, he should've been paid significantly lower, I like Joe...but Anquan Boldin and Pitta got him that contract cuz he was flailing the ball up like he always does, Boldin n Pitta were just coming down with amazing catches

Because that is what receivers are supposed to do.

Correct, a lot of the time we don't get that now, S.Smith at times when Joe throws it to him, most of the up for grab throws are toward Perriman and Wallace now.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Some people just can't grasp this concept.  Most people learn this at a second grade lunch table when trying to trade a green-bean for a chocolate milk. 

LOL!  So true!

[respecttheRaven]

"

• And, when you criticize Flacco or other quarterbacks around the league, understand that it is the hardest position to play in all of sports. Nothing compares. Not a hockey goalie, not a baseball catcher or pitcher, not a point guard – NOTHING! Look at the quarterbacks – some of whom are clearly producing Hall of Fame careers – around the NFL just last weekend.

1. Ben Roethlisberger: The Pittsburgh Steelers won 27-20 over the Buffalo Bills, but Big Ben threw no touchdown passes and three interceptions
2. Philip Rivers: His San Diego Chargers dropped a 28-26 decision at Carolina when he threw two interceptions and lost two fumbles
3. Russell Wilson: The Seattle Seahawks got walloped at Green Bay, 38-10, as Wilson threw for 240 yards on 39 attempts – with FIVE interceptions. Yikes!
4. Drew Brees: New Orleans lost 16-11 to the Tampa Bay Bucs as Brees was held without a touchdown pass for the second straight game, and he was picked off three times

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Byrne-Identity-There-Is-No-Merry-Christmas-Without-Winning-This-Sunday/57235c45-c59c-4f2c-a5fc-fec6906ae825

[FloridalovesRavens]

Oh please don't make us favorites.

[ellicottraven]

I really can't see us winning out against 3 teams that are talented. For some reason, we are not a team that wins out especially towards the end of the season when playoffs are on the line. I see us winning against Philly but dropping both their games against the division opponents. It's going to suck big time, but that is the team we are.

[The Greek]

jh:hello norv this is john harbaugh, nt: what can i do for you john? jh: funny that you ask but i would like you to run my offense next season. nt: if i have to keep castillo and engram than forget it and if you force me to go for it on 4th down like 10 times a game than forget it. those are my terms. jh: i give in norv because if the offense stinks once again my job will be in deep doo doo. nt: damn right it will be john but ozzie should be canned as well for loading your roster with 2nd rate players. hey maybe if you get fired they will hire me as the hc. sure i accept the oc job john and thanks.

[hereweare]

5 minutes ago, The Greek said:

jh:hello norv this is john harbaugh, nt: what can i do for you john? jh: funny that you ask but i would like you to run my offense next season. nt: if i have to keep castillo and engram than forget it and if you force me to go for it on 4th down like 10 times a game than forget it. those are my terms. jh: i give in norv because if the offense stinks once again my job will be in deep doo doo. nt: damn right it will be john but ozzie should be canned as well for loading your roster with 2nd rate players. hey maybe if you get fired they will hire me as the hc. sure i accept the oc job john and thanks.

haha give it a rest! Ozzie and the FO's ability to draft quality players are the reason we have been the in playoffs 6 of last 8 years! Those two non-playoff seasons were post SB when everyone retired or got over paid and 2015 when we played with back ups. 90% of the league would give an arm and leg to have the success the Ravens have had the past 8 years

Edited December 16, 2016 by hereweare

[Crusader]

What quarter will the BOO Birds come out or can this "offense" pull another surprise? Who am I kidding.

[RavensBaltimore]

  3 hours ago, nj_ravens said:

  4 hours ago, robbie29 said:

  4 hours ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

  5 hours ago, respecttheRaven said:

My heart went out to Joe last game when....how many balls were dropped that were right into their hands??!! I saw at least 4!!!! C'mon man........You can't put it ALL on his back. The offense has to work like a well oiled machine, their just low on oil. How many games this year has the O-line been whole,.... healthy? 3,4 games? I understand that some people need to blame "someone" but it all can't be on him. That's all you see around here anymore. Oh, and most of those balls that were dropped were for pretty good yardage.......and the penalties!!!! How many plays were brought back??!! I am not saying anyone is perfect....just saying it is a team effort...all the way around!!!!    

The hate really amazes me. Joe has messed up plenty and most certainly deserves criticism. He does need to do better, no doubt about that. The money he is paid is thrown around constantly, but it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost. They make more than the other positions on the field. I believe a lot of the vicious hate is rooted in jealousy of his wealth and success.

"it is often forgotten that is what quarterbacks cost"

No- $120 million is what TOP TIER Quarterbacks cost. Joe is currently bottom tier (lower than 25th), and has been 3 of the 4 years since his postseason run. That is where a lot of the frustration comes from.

How is he lower than 25th if he's 5th in passing yards this year? are you talking QBR or something? What is he 25th at?

And wrong, $18mil+/year is now starter money, not just top tier money. Joe makes a little more because, in case you forgot, he won us a Superbowl. Sure you want him to be better, but he got his market value. Tyrod is making $18mil a year for crying out loud.

18mil is NOW starter money, your right...back when he signed the contract though it was top tier, he should've been paid significantly lower, I like Joe...but Anquan Boldin and Pitta got him that contract cuz he was flailing the ball up like he always does, Boldin n Pitta were just coming down with amazing catches

I guess the other QBs who played with Boldin didn't get the memo that you can just "flail the ball up" and have the greatest postseason of all time and win a SB.

[The Mom Gene]

Does anybody else think like me and believe the Patriots decision to work out Hester was a jab at the Ravens?.

[The Mom Gene]

"

• And, when you criticize Flacco or other quarterbacks around the league, understand that it is the hardest position to play in all of sports. Nothing compares. Not a hockey goalie, not a baseball catcher or pitcher, not a point guard – NOTHING! Look at the quarterbacks – some of whom are clearly producing Hall of Fame careers – around the NFL just last weekend.

1. Ben Roethlisberger: The Pittsburgh Steelers won 27-20 over the Buffalo Bills, but Big Ben threw no touchdown passes and three interceptions
2. Philip Rivers: His San Diego Chargers dropped a 28-26 decision at Carolina when he threw two interceptions and lost two fumbles
3. Russell Wilson: The Seattle Seahawks got walloped at Green Bay, 38-10, as Wilson threw for 240 yards on 39 attempts – with FIVE interceptions. Yikes!
4. Drew Brees: New Orleans lost 16-11 to the Tampa Bay Bucs as Brees was held without a touchdown pass for the second straight game, and he was picked off three times

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Byrne-Identity-There-Is-No-Merry-Christmas-Without-Winning-This-Sunday/57235c45-c59c-4f2c-a5fc-fec6906ae825

I agree.... I blasted RSR because they wrote a ridiculous article about this very subject. Making excuses for EVERY QB except Joe... You know, the guy who has had a very inconsistent and banged up O-Line. You know, the guy who has had 5 OC's in as many years. How many passes have been dropped when they hit players in the hands or numbers??? BUT, he's a professional and none of those things should matter

[mearzunkies]

Ravens win this week and in PITT. Lose in Cinci. JMO.

[billiejean]

4 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Does anybody else think like me and believe the Patriots decision to work out Hester was a jab at the Ravens?.

no belichick doesn't play games unless he is coming up with innovative ways to push the rules to their limits and confuse our defense

Edited December 17, 2016 by billiejean

[billiejean]

10 hours ago, The Greek said:

castillo and receiver coach bobby engram should be replaced at seasons end. we cannot develop receivers. saints drafted receiver michael thomas in the 2nd rd with pick 47 and he has 800 plus yards and 8 td's thus far while perriman has lagged behind. if he is another torrey smith than what a waste of a pick by the front office yet once again when we could have had thomas. did the scouts drop the ball or was this ozzies decision.

so is it Engrams fault or Ozzies.  Top pff grades for the game.... 

T Ronnie Stanley, 83.6
G Marshal Yanda, 81.7
FB Kyle Juszczyk, 81.6
T Ricky Wagner, 79.8
C Jeremy Zuttah, 76.8 

The offensive line has played really well these last few games.  You're inability to realize this isn't surprising.  Blaming their supposed terrible play on the coach is par for the course.  But PFF is probably BS right? You would do yourself well by trying to learn some of the fundamentals of each position so that you would know who is playing well and who is not. Looks like you guy Leslie Frasier has been thwarted once again by DP because when the defense plays well LF is responsible and when the D plays poorly DP is on the hook.  Bobby Engram has nothing to do with Perrimans stats.  His stats are a product of his snap count and the other receivers that are ahead of him.  But you know best, we should probably just give all of MW snaps to BP.  What Michael Thomas has to do with anything is beyond me.  His production in NO offense has no bearing on what his production would be in our offense and I am not sure if you have seen but in light of said production NO is 5 and 8.  Maybe we should just trade WR coaches with NO and that would solve all of our problems.  While we are at it we should probably pick up Dallas' OL coach and the Pats QB coach.

[Rav'n Maniac]

46 Of 46 picked us as favorites to win. That's like the kiss of death.