Merged Jimmy Smith

[Tank 92]

6 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Jimmy is a legit top 10 corner when healthy. He plays physical and that has consequences, such as getting injured.

Actually the opposite has been true and therein lies the issue.......He's not what you would call a "physical corner". He's a cover guy, and a damn good one, but he's never been strong in run support or what one would call a great tackler(although that improved lately). Not a knock on him personally, but it just seems he is one of those players that is soft and injury prone. It's a shame too for him and for the Ravens because they have invested in him pretty heavily in the next couple of years. 

Hopefully this assessment is wrong and his run of bad fortune takes a 180.

Edited December 15, 2016 by Tank 92

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Actually the opposite has been true and therein lies the issue.......He's not what you would call a "physical corner". He's a cover guy, and a damn good one, but he's never been strong in run support or what one would call a great tackler(although that improved lately). Not a knock on him personally, but it just seems he is one of those players that is soft and injury prone. It's a shame too for him and for the Ravens because they have invested in him pretty heavily in the next couple of years. 

Hopefully this assessment is wrong and his run of bad fortune takes a 180.

I'd disagree. He's a fairly sure tackler, and while his run support has slacked off lately, he used to be very physical in run support. 

As his coverage got better and better, his run support just dropped.

Also, I'd hardly call a player soft for having some serious injuries. This isn't Michael Campanaro getting bruises and strains out there level.

[BmoreBird22]

The thing is we can't really call him injury prone because these are serious injuries that are likely to occur to anyone if it happens in such a manner.

Alex Lewis and Kenneth Dixon suffered similar injuries under similar circumstances, as far as this most recent injury goes. Does that make them injury prone?

He's just got the absolute worst luck out there. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Actually the opposite has been true and therein lies the issue.......He's not what you would call a "physical corner". He's a cover guy, and a damn good one, but he's never been strong in run support or what one would call a great tackler(although that improved lately). Not a knock on him personally, but it just seems he is one of those players that is soft and injury prone. It's a shame too for him and for the Ravens because they have invested in him pretty heavily in the next couple of years. 

Hopefully this assessment is wrong and his run of bad fortune takes a 180.

Jimmy started out a machine in run support and has always been a sure tackler. This is just wrong. In the recent past he's let up on run support probably for the sake of preserving his body and to improve coverage because our run defense is so good. Jimmy is definitely a physical corner. Go watch how he shut down Brandon Marshall by straight manhandling him.

[VermontRaven]

7 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

People keep ripping Elam but Weddle already took responsibility for that play. I guess you can say that Elam should've covered the post but that would have opened it up for someone else. 

I agree.  I have been just as frustrated as everybody else with Elam's play over the year.  But, on that particular play, Weddle came out and said it was his fault...another thing I love about Weddle...he doesn't hide when he makes a mistake.  Just because the opposition gets a big play when Elam is on the filed doesn't mean that it was his fault. (although i admit it is easy to think that on first glance)

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I agree.  I have been just as frustrated as everybody else with Elam's play over the year.  But, on that particular play, Weddle came out and said it was his fault...another thing I love about Weddle...he doesn't hide when he makes a mistake.  Just because the opposition gets a big play when Elam is on the filed doesn't mean that it was his fault. (although i admit it is easy to think that on first glance)

Personal accountability is one of the biggest things in life for me. How do you get better if you don't know what you did wrong? You don't. 

Really respect Weddle for that.

[VermontRaven]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Personal accountability is one of the biggest things in life for me. How do you get better if you don't know what you did wrong? You don't. 

Really respect Weddle for that.

Agree completely!  Weddle is definitely turning into one of my favorite Ravens!

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Personal accountability is one of the biggest things in life for me. How do you get better if you don't know what you did wrong? You don't. 

Really respect Weddle for that.

 

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Agree completely!  Weddle is definitely turning into one of my favorite Ravens!

Totally agree with both of you.  Accountability is extremely important.

[Tank 92]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jimmy started out a machine in run support and has always been a sure tackler. This is just wrong. In the recent past he's let up on run support probably for the sake of preserving his body and to improve coverage because our run defense is so good. Jimmy is definitely a physical corner. Go watch how he shut down Brandon Marshall by straight manhandling him.

Yeah, I'll have to disagree here. Definitely can be physical in coverage, but hardly what I would call a consistently sure tackler, although he had improved lately.  

Edited December 15, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The thing is we can't really call him injury prone because these are serious injuries that are likely to occur to anyone if it happens in such a manner.

Alex Lewis and Kenneth Dixon suffered similar injuries under similar circumstances, as far as this most recent injury goes. Does that make them injury prone?

He's just got the absolute worst luck out there. 

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but he's always nicked in some way. Sure Lewis and Dixon were hurt, but let's hope they aren't out as often as Jimmy. Foot, back, ankle, groin, concussion, etc., etc., etc.. You have to admit that it's a chronic situation.  Let's hope it changes.

[Militant X 1]

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Personal accountability is one of the biggest things in life for me. How do you get better if you don't know what you did wrong? You don't. 

Really respect Weddle for that.

I like Weddle.  Love to see him get a pick and take it to the house in the upcoming weeks.

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but he's always nicked in some way. Sure Lewis and Dixon were hurt, but let's hope they aren't out as often as Jimmy. Foot, back, ankle, groin, concussion, etc., etc., etc.. You have to admit that it's a chronic situation.  Let's hope it changes.

I still wouldn't call him injury prone. I usually think of that as being soft tissue injuries (Gillmore and Camp come to mind). He's just suffering some really unfortunate and really nasty injuries. It's like Webb tearing two ACL's. Wouldn't say that makes him injury prone, but damn, he sure as hell had a string of bad luck with those.

[waybeyond]

Guess who is not playing again? Jimmy Smith. I guess he'll be out until the season ends, and many of you will continue to think he's so great.

[mg90]

13 hours ago, waybeyond said:

Guess who is not playing again? Jimmy Smith. I guess he'll be out until the season ends, and many of you will continue to think he's so great.

Oh he's very good.  Look at how the defense has performed in times without him vs with him. Bad luck is all.  Would you also suggest that Gronkowski is not great???

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, mg90 said:

Oh he's very good.  Look at how the defense has performed in times without him vs with him. Bad luck is all.  Would you also suggest that Gronkowski is not great???

You know that Tyrann Mathieu kid? Total bust.

[Wildabeast88]

On December 13, 2016 at 5:32 PM, waybeyond said:

Jimmy Smith is made of paper mache. He is hurt all the time. Some of you will, of course, continue drinking the Kool Aid. Calling people names does not change the fact. Grow up.

The team needs to find a corner, or draft one next year, that actually plays and can cover the better receivers. As high as he was drafted, he has not been a good investment for this team.  The team had chances to get corners in past drafts as well as receivers. Ozzie has failed at doing this. Accept it, and move on.

So shutting down Antonio Brown almost every time we play the Steelers holding Beckham to 2-11 in the first half. Yeah Jimmy must suck. I believe Edelman didn't do much while Jimmy was in the game. How about Amari Cooper how did he do against Jimmy 5-48-0. Brandon Marshall 3-39-0. Sammy Watkins 4-43-0. Brown 7-85-1 most of which was garbage time I believe 3-30 was until the last few drives. He is a good CB I get he is hurt but legs don't bend that way period I don't care who you are. The Lisfranc injury was while making a tackle and getting his leg pinned. 

[Wildabeast88]

4 hours ago, mg90 said:

Oh he's very good.  Look at how the defense has performed in times without him vs with him. Bad luck is all.  Would you also suggest that Gronkowski is not great???

Gronk is always hurt so I guess it is the same argument applies right. 

[mg90]

17 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Gronk is always hurt so I guess it is the same argument applies right. 

That's fine you think that. But when they are on the field they are standout players that give 100% effort. If that doesn't earn your appreciation then whatever.

Edited December 17, 2016 by mg90

[Wildabeast88]

4 minutes ago, mg90 said:

That's fine you think that. But when they are on the field they are standout players that give 100% effort. If that doesn't earn your appreciation then whatever.

It was a bit of sarcasm. I am a huge fan of Jimmy and we drop off a cliff fast when he is out. He is a very good CB but for as much as he takes for being hurt very few crush Gronk for being hurt. 

[jimmypowder]

Jimmy is always hurt. We need some durable corners. Pass rushers and corners are needed most in this upcoming draft. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 12/15/2016 at 2:22 PM, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, I'll have to disagree here. Definitely can be physical in coverage, but hardly what I would call a consistently sure tackler, although he had improved lately.  

Improved lately? He was never bad at tackling. Not even close. He's been far above average literally always. That one play against the Bengals when him and Kendrick Lewis rolled over each other as they both tried to tackle at the same time was an anomaly and you're obviously weighing that one way too heavily because it lost us a game.

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Improved lately? He was never bad at tackling. Not even close. He's been far above average literally always. That one play against the Bengals when him and Kendrick Lewis rolled over each other as they both tried to tackle at the same time was an anomaly and you're obviously weighing that one way too heavily because it lost us a game.

Wow, no not really. Seems we were watching two different players because I saw numerous one on one misses, whiffs, etc. on runs prior to the Miami game. Moot point now because he's on the sideline, again. If he doesn't make it back for the steelers we could be in deep pooh Christmas Day.  It would bite to lose that game. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by Tank 92

[RaineV1]

A healthy Jimmy Smith is probably the second best corner the Ravens have ever had. Only guy I would put over him was Chris McAlister. Though, depending on a guy that's always injured is bad. I'm glad we got Young, but we really need to help the corners out a bit more. Either a reliable back up, or a better passrush.

[redrum52]

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

A healthy Jimmy Smith is probably the second best corner the Ravens have ever had. Only guy I would put over him was Chris McAlister. Though, depending on a guy that's always injured is bad. I'm glad we got Young, but we really need to help the corners out a bit more. Either a reliable back up, or a better passrush.

Can you imagine if the injuries never took their toll and we were actually able to see a secondary with a healthy Webb and Jimmy at CB?

[OUravensfan]

33 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Can you imagine if the injuries never took their toll and we were actually able to see a secondary with a healthy Webb and Jimmy at CB?

Damn ;(

[OUravensfan]

37 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

A healthy Jimmy Smith is probably the second best corner the Ravens have ever had. Only guy I would put over him was Chris McAlister. Though, depending on a guy that's always injured is bad. I'm glad we got Young, but we really need to help the corners out a bit more. Either a reliable back up, or a better passrush.

Where do you see Dwayne Starks?

[RaineV1]

5 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Where do you see Dwayne Starks?

Starks was a pretty good cover corner, and a solid starter. However, I never really saw him in that special, elite tier like McAlister and Smith are. He wasn't the guy you put on a top receiver to shut him down. Given the Ravens history at corner though, a good but not great corner ranks pretty high.

Starks is like the ceiling for what Tavon Young can be, given that they're a similar size (though I think Starks had about an inch on Young) and have a similar skill set.

Edited December 18, 2016 by RaineV1

[terrynjulia03]

Jimmy has played ONE full year. ONE. Sorry but he's Fabian Washington 2.0. Guess what happened to him? We dropped him, he played 1 more year and than was out of the NFL. Really it doesn't matter how great you are, if you can only play half a season at a time. That is exactly what he's looking at. Neg this all you want, but facts are facts. If you can't play even the majority of a season, you're done. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

7 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Jimmy has played ONE full year. ONE. Sorry but he's Fabian Washington 2.0. Guess what happened to him? We dropped him, he played 1 more year and than was out of the NFL. Really it doesn't matter how great you are, if you can only play half a season at a time. That is exactly what he's looking at. Neg this all you want, but facts are facts. If you can't play even the majority of a season, you're done. 

Thought it was 2 out of 6 seasons. Could be wrong though.

[AsianRice]

anyone has any updates on Jimmy??

 

I'm anxious to find out that he's ok to play on Sunday or at worst at the Bengals....