[News] Eric Weddle Takes Blame For Patriots' Game-Sealing Touchdown

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The veteran safety said 'I should be there' on the Patriots' 79-yard touchdown that essentially sealed the game.

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[RavensBaltimore]

I'm very skeptical of Harbaugh's claim that Hogan wasn't Elam's responsibility in coverage. Elam was lined up directly across from him. What else would his responsibility have been on that play if he wasn't supposed to cover Hogan?

[Minionhunter]

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

[TheConquerorWorm]

I'm very skeptical of Harbaugh's claim that Hogan wasn't Elam's responsibility in coverage. Elam was lined up directly across from him. What else would his responsibility have been on that play if he wasn't supposed to cover Hogan?

It was Tavon's & Weddle's fault. Tavon handed off Mitchell (or got beat badly) who came across the field as the underneath WR. Typically the slot corner takes the underneath WR and the outside corner and safety take the deep middle WR. If you watch the play, Elam breaks toward Mitchell (Tavon doesn't) but then realizes that Brady is throwing to Hogan so he stumbles trying to recover. Look at the play and watch Tavon - who is he covering?

[20306cab]

At least Weddle doesn't get hurt every stinkin' game!

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

do you even understand what you are saying?

how can 1 blow a coverage he is not responsible for?

weddle was responsible for the deep coverage not elam.

as a defender you are supposed to stick to what your assignment is and not freelance.
elam did what he was told and weddle did not.

 

[Zeus]

At least Weddle doesn't get hurt every stinkin' game!

No that's Jimmys job.

[The Mom Gene]

  6 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

do you even understand what you are saying?

how can 1 blow a coverage he is not responsible for?

weddle was responsible for the deep coverage not elam.

as a defender you are supposed to stick to what your assignment is and not freelance.
elam did what he was told and weddle did not.

 

Folks are always looking for a "reason" to blame Matt. Elam succeed??? That would go against the very message they have been trying to drive home for 3 years... that he's a bust. (Which he isn't).

[fusuymada]

We had the same exact problems with Ed Reed when he was back there and when he was right we loved him and when he was wrong we said "oh, it Ed Reed." Same situation. Weddle is successful because he is an intuitive player. That is how he is successful. That said, no safety responsible for deep coverage in the fourth quarter with less than 7 minutes and down by 3, should even be thinking about jumping a route. Like Flacco, not a lot was happening between the ears at that point in time.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

  7 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

do you even understand what you are saying?

how can 1 blow a coverage he is not responsible for?

weddle was responsible for the deep coverage not elam.

as a defender you are supposed to stick to what your assignment is and not freelance.
elam did what he was told and weddle did not.

 

You say Weddle was responsible for the deep coverage; what was Elam responsible for - to just stand there and let the receiver run right by him untouched?

Nobody has a problem with what Weddle had done all season long which was move around and disguise coverages, this time it back fired but that's what happens when you gamble - win some, lose some

[Tiznut]

7 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I'm very skeptical of Harbaugh's claim that Hogan wasn't Elam's responsibility in coverage. Elam was lined up directly across from him. What else would his responsibility have been on that play if he wasn't supposed to cover Hogan?

Doesn't mean he was assigned to cover him man to man. 

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

  7 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I'm very skeptical of Harbaugh's claim that Hogan wasn't Elam's responsibility in coverage. Elam was lined up directly across from him. What else would his responsibility have been on that play if he wasn't supposed to cover Hogan?

It was Tavon's & Weddle's fault. Tavon handed off Mitchell (or got beat badly) who came across the field as the underneath WR. Typically the slot corner takes the underneath WR and the outside corner and safety take the deep middle WR. If you watch the play, Elam breaks toward Mitchell (Tavon doesn't) but then realizes that Brady is throwing to Hogan so he stumbles trying to recover. Look at the play and watch Tavon - who is he covering?

They were playing man coverage at the line. You're speaking of zone coverage and they only switch depending on what route the receiver runs - if the inside receiver goes out and the outside receiver comes in then they switch but if the inside receiver breaks deep the inside corner stays with him, makes absolutely no sense for corners who are 7 yards apart to just switch receivers from who they are lined up in front of.

[coreyadams]

Way to man up Weddle, but Elam got burnt!

[Derrel]

don't care who was to blame....another poor performance by the DB's and no pressure on Brady. Easy win for Pats.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

You say Weddle was responsible for the deep coverage; what was Elam responsible for - to just stand there and let the receiver run right by him untouched?

Nobody has a problem with what Weddle had done all season long which was move around and disguise coverages, this time it back fired but that's what happens when you gamble - win some, lose some

 

if he touched the receiver where he was standing it would have been a flag.
seriously dont you even know the rules?

yes he was supposed to let the receiver run past him cause the play call was designed for weddle to be there in coverage.
Elam job was to defend any receiver that ran a route in front of him.
he was responsible for the intermediate part of the field in the middle area past the LOS.
anyone that knows defense and coverage should be able to get this TBH.

Weddle had no bussines biting on the fake as there where 2 lbers waiting past the LOS.

So you are actually blaming elam for a gamble that backfired on weddle?

 

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Tru11

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

Doesn't mean he was assigned to cover him man to man. 

That is correct.  They "release" to the safeties sometimes in coverage.  If you watch the play, you see Elam release the receiver, and Weddle misses the release...  He began to step forward, and was late to the coverage.  My husband said that when it happened.  Just because Idiot Gruden calls it that way doesn't make it so.  He made several different observations last night...  and I thought..  HUH, What is he talking about?????  He's a Cheatriots lover.

[nj_ravens]

  1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

Doesn't mean he was assigned to cover him man to man. 

That is correct.  They "release" to the safeties sometimes in coverage.  If you watch the play, you see Elam release the receiver, and Weddle misses the release...  He began to step forward, and was late to the coverage.  My husband said that when it happened.  Just because Idiot Gruden calls it that way doesn't make it so.  He made several different observations last night...  and I thought..  HUH?????  He's a Cheatriots lover.

Like when he blamed Flacco for the pass that hit Wallace between the 1 and 7 in stride and got dropped....I lost a lot of respect for Gruden on that one.

[eze17]

  5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

  9 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

do you even understand what you are saying?

how can 1 blow a coverage he is not responsible for?

weddle was responsible for the deep coverage not elam.

as a defender you are supposed to stick to what your assignment is and not freelance.
elam did what he was told and weddle did not.

 

Folks are always looking for a "reason" to blame Matt. Elam succeed??? That would go against the very message they have been trying to drive home for 3 years... that he's a bust. (Which he isn't).

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

[The Mom Gene]

9 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

There are lots of 1st rounders that are "ok" players in the NFL.  Then there are guys that are awesome.  If one doesn't fit "your" description or expectation, that doesn't make him a bust.  I'm just sayin.  I've seen guys play for us that are hammered here on these boards for being no good, or a bust, go to other teams and flourish.  He is much improved since Weddle has gotten here.  That has been spoken of on numerous occasions.

 

[Tru11]

17 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

how many safeties drafted in the first round are capable of locking down receivers in 1 on 1 coverage?

[Ravenole]

People can say whatever they want but Elam blew it, Hogan ran right by him. I'm 77 years old and I'm not sure Elam could cover me. I watched him play at Florida and was happy when he was drafted but I now rue that pick. If he is still on the Ravens team next year it will bge the height of stupidity.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  7 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  9 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I'm very skeptical of Harbaugh's claim that Hogan wasn't Elam's responsibility in coverage. Elam was lined up directly across from him. What else would his responsibility have been on that play if he wasn't supposed to cover Hogan?

It was Tavon's & Weddle's fault. Tavon handed off Mitchell (or got beat badly) who came across the field as the underneath WR. Typically the slot corner takes the underneath WR and the outside corner and safety take the deep middle WR. If you watch the play, Elam breaks toward Mitchell (Tavon doesn't) but then realizes that Brady is throwing to Hogan so he stumbles trying to recover. Look at the play and watch Tavon - who is he covering?

They were playing man coverage at the line. You're speaking of zone coverage and they only switch depending on what route the receiver runs - if the inside receiver goes out and the outside receiver comes in then they switch but if the inside receiver breaks deep the inside corner stays with him, makes absolutely no sense for corners who are 7 yards apart to just switch receivers from who they are lined up in front of.

They were playing Cover 3 zone - watch Tavon - does he follow his man or does he drop back and cover the deep sideline? And in Cover 3, against a Smash or Dagger route, the slot corner/safety takes the underneath WR (Mitchell). Football coverage 101.

[eze17]

  53 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

There are lots of 1st rounders that are "ok" players in the NFL.  Then there are guys that are awesome.  If one doesn't fit "your" description or expectation, that doesn't make him a bust.  I'm just sayin.  I've seen guys play for us that are hammered here on these boards for being no good, or a bust, go to other teams and flourish.  He is much improved since Weddle has gotten here.  That has been spoken of on numerous occasions.

 

Yes, he's fine in running situations...but a liability on passing downs. I think by most standards a first round pick is expected to be a full four down player, which he has not shown. I'm not trying to demonize him, I think he can play in this league, just that he has not, nor do I think he ever will, live up to the expectations that he was projected to be. And I don't think he would flourish on another team. He is what he is: A decent but not overall reliable player who can stuff the run. If he was picked in the mid rounds, he'd be an o.k. enough find. As a first rounder, he's what you'd call a disappointment if not a full fledged bust. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't see the Ravens re-signing him unless he comes dirt cheap with a whole lot of incentive bonuses. And even that may be a stretch.

[The Mom Gene]

5 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Yes, he's fine in running situations...but a liability on passing downs. I think by most standards a first round pick is expected to be a full four down player, which he has not shown. I'm not trying to demonize him, I think he can play in this league, just that he has not, nor do I think he ever will, live up to the expectations that he was projected to be. And I don't think he would flourish on another team. He is what he is: A decent but not overall reliable player who can stuff the run. If he was picked in the mid rounds, he'd be an o.k. enough find. As a first rounder, he's what you'd call a disappointment if not a full fledged bust. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't see the Ravens re-signing him unless he comes dirt cheap with a whole lot of incentive bonuses. And even that may be a stretch.

He was great at Florida....  I used to watch him there and completely understand why he was a 1st round pick.

[eze17]

  53 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

how many safeties drafted in the first round are capable of locking down receivers in 1 on 1 coverage?

No ones saying he needs to be a lock down safety...he just needs to be able to provide decent pass coverage and open field tackling, which he has not shown on a consistent basis. I keep saying he's good against the run, he simply looks out matched when it comes to passing downs. Watch some film. Does he show flashes of being good? Sure. A blind pig will find an acorn in the forest every now and then. But overall he gets beat way to often, and takes bad angles when trying to make tackles. And the guy is not a rookie, so you expect that he is what he is ever going to be: Good run defender but can be burnt on passing downs. Not saying he can't play in the NFL, but it's unrealistic to think he's going to morph into something he's not.

[eze17]

  26 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Yes, he's fine in running situations...but a liability on passing downs. I think by most standards a first round pick is expected to be a full four down player, which he has not shown. I'm not trying to demonize him, I think he can play in this league, just that he has not, nor do I think he ever will, live up to the expectations that he was projected to be. And I don't think he would flourish on another team. He is what he is: A decent but not overall reliable player who can stuff the run. If he was picked in the mid rounds, he'd be an o.k. enough find. As a first rounder, he's what you'd call a disappointment if not a full fledged bust. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't see the Ravens re-signing him unless he comes dirt cheap with a whole lot of incentive bonuses. And even that may be a stretch.

He was great at Florida....  I used to watch him there and completely understand why he was a 1st round pick.

I was happy when we drafted him. The guy is not a terrible player, but he's not what the team or fans envisioned he would be. Maybe a change of scenery would help him.

[mrc724]

We've been burned several times this year on the same play. There was a linebacker just to the left of Hogan. Why didn't he the linebacker hit Hogan off the line, take him out of his route. On that play why was the middle of the field wide open.

Flacco takes too many sacks. He did so well getting the ball out quickly against Miami. He got one long completion to Perriman and gets greedy, he hangs in there too long.

Why do we keep running our backs into the middle of the line. Don't they have enough speed to get outside. Then, there were so many dropped balls by the receivers, get them some stickum.

Couldn't we have been a little creative against the NE"s six defensive backs, there has to be some openings.

We need a more creative OC, Harbaugh needs to get involved more, instead of just shaking his head when things go wrong. He needs to take some lessons from his brother. We missed so many chances to win the game, Just like earlier losing to the Jets. We made mediocre quarterbacks look like all pro's. The Jets, DAH.

[Tiznut]

3 hours ago, Ravenole said:

People can say whatever they want but Elam blew it, Hogan ran right by him. I'm 77 years old and I'm not sure Elam could cover me. I watched him play at Florida and was happy when he was drafted but I now rue that pick. If he is still on the Ravens team next year it will bge the height of stupidity.

You're the type to stick your fingers in your ear and say "I can't hear you" whenever people use facts to dispute your bias....

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, eze17 said:

No ones saying he needs to be a lock down safety...he just needs to be able to provide decent pass coverage and open field tackling, which he has not shown on a consistent basis. I keep saying he's good against the run, he simply looks out matched when it comes to passing downs. Watch some film. Does he show flashes of being good? Sure. A blind pig will find an acorn in the forest every now and then. But overall he gets beat way to often, and takes bad angles when trying to make tackles. And the guy is not a rookie, so you expect that he is what he is ever going to be: Good run defender but can be burnt on passing downs. Not saying he can't play in the NFL, but it's unrealistic to think he's going to morph into something he's not.

he had decent pass coverage on that play.

do you even know what you where watching?

 

[fluffy201]

Your're fine Weddle, had our offense been a bit more competent we would have won :0