Week 14: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly discussion/rant Patriots edition

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So were the receivers. Horrendous game from our receivers last night. Dropped passes, no field awareness, no anticipation or desire to attack the football. They were equally as bad as Joe was in my eyes, and he was pretty bad.

There were times where I briefly considered that Mike Wallace may have bet a lot of money on the Pats covering the spread and he was throwing the game. That's how bad I thought he played. It was like Doug Baldwin vs the Packers bad.

I agree, to a degree.

I don't think Flacco gave them nearly enough time to get open and on many of his throws, where they caught the ball was where they were going on because of poorly placed balls that left no room for YAC.

But the drops were inexcusable and I'm still left wondering what Wallace did on that interception. Like, I don't think it was a good decision to throw deep into double coverage on McCourty, but damn Wallace- fight for it.

[THERAVENS]

Harbaugh should be fired if he insists Elam was not at fault, If he keeps Hester another day as a Raven (maybe they can trade him to New England), and brings back Marty next year.   Flacco time to think about another qb for us. He is hurting the team in the salary cap and not real good return. Ray Lewis was right.  Just a lot of spring cleaning coming. 

[Drew P]

9 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

The whole team was unprepared. 

One of Harbaugh's worst coaching games as a Ravens head coach. 

 

Lifeless across the board. Absolutely clueless why they refuse to run the ball except that telegraphed toss to the RB out of the gun.

[January J]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I agree, to a degree.

I don't think Flacco gave them nearly enough time to get open and on many of his throws, where they caught the ball was where they were going on because of poorly placed balls that left no room for YAC.

But the drops were inexcusable and I'm still left wondering what Wallace did on that interception. Like, I don't think it was a good decision to throw deep into double coverage on McCourty, but damn Wallace- fight for it.

It went literally  right through Wallace's arms if you watch the replay in slo -mo...then you've got the deep one that bounced off his chest- then you have the dart to perriman where he wasnt even looking that could've potentially been a TD with his speed. Only guy that came to play was our rookie Dixon. That guy fought for every inch and looked incredible. Don't know why we aren't attempting to establish the run game more..then maybe we could actually get some defenses to bite on play action like we do. Weddle played well too aside from the back breaker to Hogan. Can't do it all himself though.

Edited December 13, 2016 by January J

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, THERAVENS said:

Harbaugh should be fired if he insists Elam was not at fault, If he keeps Hester another day as a Raven (maybe they can trade him to New England), and brings back Marty next year.   Flacco time to think about another qb for us. He is hurting the team in the salary cap and not real good return. Ray Lewis was right.  Just a lot of spring cleaning coming. 

Well, he's going to insist that because he's right.  That's mostly on Weddle.  Elam played his part in it (mostly falling which seems to be his thing), but Weddle was supposed to be over the top but he wanted to jump the route in the middle of the field instead.

[Edgar]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm still of the mindset that you have to seriously consider a quarterback in like the first three picks, especially having a third round comp, if the board falls right. I don't advocate for reaching, but if someone like Luke Falk starts to fall, I jump.

Agreed. Identify a quarterback we like and make a play for him.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, THERAVENS said:

Harbaugh should be fired if he insists Elam was not at fault, If he keeps Hester another day as a Raven (maybe they can trade him to New England), and brings back Marty next year.   Flacco time to think about another qb for us. He is hurting the team in the salary cap and not real good return. Ray Lewis was right.  Just a lot of spring cleaning coming. 

quite curious in what makes you think that Elam is at fault.

dont you understand coverages and the responsibilities that come with them?

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

It went literally  right through Wallace's arms if you watch the replay in slo -mo

Just went back and watched and you are right. 

Would have been an incredibly difficult catch, but damn, he should have still at least caused an incompletion.

[BmoreBird22]

I think what bothers me the most is if you look at the box score, you'd think that Brady was some methodical surgeon in this game who was consistently just moving his men downfield with these awesome passes.

Nope. He had like seven passes account for almost 300 yards and they were mostly busted coverages. Brady just took advantage of mistakes that the players made. 

[trevorsteadman]

The team had a chance to beat the best team in the league last night. They showed they can hang but they fell short. Both sides of the ball fell apart at key times. Jimmy Smith is the most important player on this roster. Hopefully he is back for the match up against the Steelers we will need him against Antonio Brown. 

Too many dink and dunk plays last night. Receivers not getting open over the top made it so Flacco had to check it down almost every play. The Ravens need to somehow figure out how to get the receivers open in the middle of the field more consistently like they did against the Dolphins.

One of the main things I took away from this game and I have thought about it every game the past two seasons is.... Why does the team not utilize Kyle Juszczyk more? I almost want to make a separate thread for this. He is a dangerous weapon at full back and doesn't get enough plays thrown his way. Dixon is showing that he can hang in the NFL and seems to be slippery and break tackles. Hopefully the team runs more in the first quarter. 3 run plays isn't going to cut it in a half. 

[usmccharles]

Pretty disappointed obviously.   I was hoping our defense would of had a better game,  400 yards with out gronk? Just an overall bad game from both sides of the ball on a prime time stage. Just sad  

[January J]

The patriots come up with big plays when they need them and we don't - simple as that. Brady is able to read and dissect defenses  like no other and make quick  adjustments at the line - something flacco has always struggled with . bradys got almost a decade on him though- so maybe flacco will improve as far as diagnosing coverages and what not. 

Its so frustrating to watch us struggle to get 4 and 5 yards and watch Brady get 12- 35- 23 yard gains with pressure in his face like its absolutely nothing and like taking candy from a baby. Meanwhile we're throwing dump offs short of the sticks with no pressure whatsoever.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Pretty disappointed obviously.   I was hoping our defense would of had a better game,  400 yards with out gronk? Just an overall bad game from both sides of the ball on a prime time stage. Just sad  

Gronk usually doesn't have that good of game against this team. But it is pretty sad that Edelman and Hogan had a hay day against the team. 

Definitely would've been a different ending in my opinion if Jimmy Smith was there the entire game. I get that Brady was 5/5 on the drive that he went out but there were 3 three and outs before that. The team has always looked way different without him there. I hope he gets healthy soon. Then Powers went down. 2 of the top 3 corners went out and you wonder why that big play to Hogan happened in the first place. 

The Ravens have a lot to fix before the end of the season but if they win out they are in playoff contention and anything can happen. They only lost by 1 score, and I think it would've been completely different if Smith and Powers were out there on that Chris Hogan touchdown.

[January J]

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

The team had a chance to beat the best team in the league last night. They showed they can hang but they fell short. Both sides of the ball fell apart at key times. Jimmy Smith is the most important player on this roster. Hopefully he is back for the match up against the Steelers we will need him against Antonio Brown. 

Too many dink and dunk plays last night. Receivers not getting open over the top made it so Flacco had to check it down almost every play. The Ravens need to somehow figure out how to get the receivers open in the middle of the field more consistently like they did against the Dolphins.

One of the main things I took away from this game and I have thought about it every game the past two seasons is.... Why does the team not utilize Kyle Juszczyk more? I almost want to make a separate thread for this. He is a dangerous weapon at full back and doesn't get enough plays thrown his way. Dixon is showing that he can hang in the NFL and seems to be slippery and break tackles. Hopefully the team runs more in the first quarter. 3 run plays isn't going to cut it in a half. 

Juice had more targets than several of our top wrs last night.

 

[January J]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Gronk usually doesn't have that good of game against this team. But it is pretty sad that Edelman and Hogan had a hay day against the team. 

Definitely would've been a different ending in my opinion if Jimmy Smith was there the entire game. I get that Brady was 5/5 on the drive that he went out but there were 3 three and outs before that. The team has always looked way different without him there. I hope he gets healthy soon. Then Powers went down. 2 of the top 3 corners went out and you wonder why that big play to Hogan happened in the first place. 

The Ravens have a lot to fix before the end of the season but if they win out they are in playoff contention and anything can happen. They only lost by 1 score, and I think it would've been completely different if Smith and Powers were out there on that Chris Hogan touchdown.

Losing Jimmy didn't cost us this game. I think shareece gave up one pass down feild but other than that he played pretty good considering. But yes we certainly need jimmy for Pittsburgh.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, January J said:

The patriots come up with big plays when they need them and we don't - simple as that. Brady is able to read and dissect defenses  like no other and make quick  adjustments at the line - something flacco has always struggled with . bradys got almost a decade on him though- so maybe flacco will improve as far as diagnosing coverages and what not. 

Its so frustrating to watch us struggle to get 4 and 5 yards and watch Brady get 12- 35- 23 yard gains with pressure in his face like its absolutely nothing and like taking candy from a baby. Meanwhile we're throwing dump offs short of the sticks with no pressure whatsoever.

The receivers were pretty bad last night as well you could tell Flacco had no faith really in his receivers. They need to utilize and open up the field more. But I also think the offensive line had a pretty terrible game. The Patriots were only rushing 3 or 4 most the game and they were getting pretty good pressure at times. Flacco I don't think got hit in the game against the Dolphins who I think have a better defensive line. 

Offense needs to get creative it is hurting to watch. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

Losing Jimmy didn't cost us this game. I think shareece gave up one pass down feild but other than that he played pretty good considering. But yes we certainly need jimmy for Pittsburgh.

I wouldn't say it lost us the game, but it definitely made a big impact.  When Jimmy is on the field, you can leave him on his own island at times and roll help to other parts of the field.  When Jimmy is out, you suddenly need help all over the field.  It may not show up in the stats, but losing Jimmy had a huge impact.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, January J said:

Losing Jimmy didn't cost us this game. I think shareece gave up one pass down feild but other than that he played pretty good considering. But yes we certainly need jimmy for Pittsburgh.

Even though Shareece didn't play that bad the presence of Jimmy Smith is felt. The defense in my eyes looked scared after he went down. Powers going down later with a concussion doesn't help. 

3 minutes ago, January J said:

Juice had more targets than several of our top wrs last night.

 

He only had 3 targets the only receiver who had less targets last night was Chris Moore. And two of his three catches came from dump offs to just get the ball out of Flacco's hands. He really only had one decent route. The team needs to use the I-formation more and play action it out to him. 

By the way on top of this the team needs to STOP with the whole pitch out of the shotgun play. Every game ever tried this year it has resulted in negative yardage by far. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't say it lost us the game, but it definitely made a big impact.  When Jimmy is on the field, you can leave him on his own island at times and roll help to other parts of the field.  When Jimmy is out, you suddenly need help all over the field.  It may not show up in the stats, but losing Jimmy had a huge impact.

I'm probably his biggest fan on the forums. He is a top 10 corner if not top 5. He has shut down receivers all year. Without him the defense looks terrible and has to change everything. I'm also a fan of Wright though even though he has been up and down. But to me Jimmy Smith is the most important piece on that defense. 

[omar586]

8 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Am I the only one that thinks Orr looked like the best LB on our team tonight? 

Orr has been one of the pleasant surprises along with young and pierce

[Beebo]

Why does Joe Flacco continue to throw to check-down receivers on the wrong side of the sticks.....even on 3rd down?

Why are Matt Elam, Vlad Ducasse & Jeremy Zuttah still on this team? can't we do better?

Why can't we manage the clock properly?

Why does our team take a leisurely approach with the clock running down?

Why do we keep committing idiotic penalties?

Doesn't John Harbaugh have some responsibility for our ineptitude?

PSL holder for 13 years........tired of this....

UGH!

 

[Drew P]

2 minutes ago, Beebo said:

Why does our team take a leisurely approach with the clock running down?

 

 

That "on sides" kick was not only poorly executed but was an awful decision considering they had 2 TO's and the 2 MIN warning.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Beebo said:

Why does Joe Flacco continue to throw to check-down receivers on the wrong side of the sticks.....even on 3rd down?

Why are Matt Elam, Vlad Ducasse & Jeremy Zuttah still on this team? can't we do better?

Why can't we manage the clock properly?

Why does our team take a leisurely approach with the clock running down?

Why do we keep committing idiotic penalties?

Doesn't John Harbaugh have some responsibility for our ineptitude?

PSL holder for 13 years........tired of this....

UGH!

 

1. Can't throw downfield if no one is open. Receivers had a terrible game and it didn't help the offensive line couldn't hold for long against 3-4 rushing each play.

2. Ducasse has played decent up until this point. Zuttah has struggled with a nagging injury. Elam should be gone.

3. The team looked completely lost in going no huddle the last few minutes. Looked like Flacco had to basically walk them to their assignments. It was pretty bad and needs to be worked on I agree.

4. The team would've been fine time wise if the defense could've held its own. 

5. Some of those penalties shouldn't of been called. They were ticky tacky but it has been an issue in other games. It depends on the refs and who you are playing. 

6. John Harbaugh managed the game very well to me not giving up on the run in this game and that is why the team climbed back into the game. The team was not ready to play the Patriots but they were close. 

[BmoreBird22]

Also, I'm glad everyone here is a doctor with talk about Jimmy being out for the season with a thigh or knee injury. Good one, guys.

[OUravensfan]

45 minutes ago, TuckerTime9 said:

Everyone's so quick to blame Flacco it's laughable, where do you want him to throw when his receivers can't get seperation? His pass to Breshad was gorgeous and that back shoulder throw to SSS down the sideline was great too. When his guys aren't getting open he has to check down. The real issue is lack of any creativity whatsoever in the playbook. We probably have the most vanilla playbook in the NFL. 

Also Mike Wallace had cost him at least 2 INTs this season and has dropped a few TDs and missed some other big plays, last night his blunders were horrible, two bad drops, one is a tough catch at least don't let it get picked.

Edited December 13, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Tru11]

6 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Also Mike Wallace had cost him at least 2 INTs and has dropped a few TDs and big plays, last night his blunder was horrible.

what blunder did he make?

[OUravensfan]

Can someone breakdown the play where Perriman seemingly didn't see the ball or let it go through his hands? What happened there, looked like a big play opportunity.

Regardless, we will need another good WR next year, probably through FA, Steve Smith will be gone, we cannot go into the season with only  Perriman and Wallace, neither have proven to be consistent 8 catch a game players.

[January J]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't say it lost us the game, but it definitely made a big impact.  When Jimmy is on the field, you can leave him on his own island at times and roll help to other parts of the field.  When Jimmy is out, you suddenly need help all over the field.  It may not show up in the stats, but losing Jimmy had a huge impact.

That makes sense didn't think of it that way. Good point.

16 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Even though Shareece didn't play that bad the presence of Jimmy Smith is felt. The defense in my eyes looked scared after he went down. Powers going down later with a concussion doesn't help. 

He only had 3 targets the only receiver who had less targets last night was Chris Moore. And two of his three catches came from dump offs to just get the ball out of Flacco's hands. He really only had one decent route. The team needs to use the I-formation more and play action it out to him. 

By the way on top of this the team needs to STOP with the whole pitch out of the shotgun play. Every game ever tried this year it has resulted in negative yardage by far. 

I got mixed up. But juice- Dixon - and west I believe all had equal attempts to Wallace - Steve smith and perriman.

Completely agree with the stupid shotgun draw- results in negative yards EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Also, I'm glad everyone here is a doctor with talk about Jimmy being out for the season with a thigh or knee injury. Good one, guys.

that guy Dr Chao or whatever his name is said it looks like a high ankle sprain based on the tape. Ofcourse thats just an educated guess, but doesn't look good. Figures not only do we lose but we further our chances of losing in our next 3 games. Just our luck.

 

My last bone to pick- could we move any slower? We were getting inside of 3 minutes.. Walkng to the line and waiting to snap the ball until the plsyclock was all the way down. No urgency whatsoever. Clock management continues to plague us.

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

6. John Harbaugh managed the game very well to me not giving up on the run in this game and that is why the team climbed back into the game. The team was not ready to play the Patriots but they were close. 

We ran the ball a total of 13 times.... 

[Alexir]

I'm not ruling us out of playoffs (obviously still 3 games left), but here are some players that need to be off this team next year:

Cut: Elam, Powers, Webb, Hester, Arrington, Lewis, Wright (don't know his Guaranteed money though).

 

Not certain about all their contracts, so might not make sense to cut some, but I think they need to go.

 

Hopefully we can get Reynolds, Kaufusi, Correa, and Moore involved more next year. Other than them, I've been very impressed with our other rookies. Moore has been good on Specials too.

 

Corner and Safety is a huge need for us going into 2017 draft.