2017 NFL Draft - RB's

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

I only stated since this isn't a domestic violence situation which it has been consistently called  and happened two years ago would The Ravens consider Joe Mixon. This is  not me making light of the situation and  me calling his past troubling  or him having a "troubled past" is not me saying it's ok but if you or others want to call  it more than that then why not.  If anybody felt offended by my previous statement  then I apologize especially to the women that participate or read these forums. My aim was not  to make light of the situation but look at in a logical  point of view and overall get feed back but maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.  

I think you're too focused on the semantics here.  Whether it's technically DV or not, the Ravens will not be touching Mixon.  It's a shame since he's a good player, but he's ruined his chances to ever become a Raven.

[jazz1988]

57 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

No, okay, I didn't mean to say anything about you, but I don't see how this isn't DV. He punched a woman in the face, period. It's basically Rice, except the girl wasn't his gf, which doesn't change anything. He's a heck of a talent but we just won't be the one to touch him.

When I look up the word domestic violence  it is classified or considered to be  willful intimidation, physical assault,  battery, sexual assault and abusive behavior by  one intimate partner against another.  I could be wrong but the woman who was attacked was not Joe Mixon girlfriend or wife for that matter. Unless the definition of domestic violence has more meaning then what Joe Mixon did is something that should be called assault not a domestic violence incident .

Edited February 7 by jazz1988

[jazz1988]

41 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're too focused on the semantics here.  Whether it's technically DV or not, the Ravens will not be touching Mixon.  It's a shame since he's a good player, but he's ruined his chances to ever become a Raven.

Yes I believe I am and I don't think The Ravens will be touching him either.

[ravensnation5220]

There are a lot of draft pundits out there who believe the ravens could target FSU running back Dalvin Cook in the 2017 NFL Draft. These pundits include the likes of Mel kiper, walterfootball, NFL website, Baltimore Sun and even the official ravens website. Although cook is a gifted talent and could be a great fit in the organization in a player perspective, he doesn't fit the mold in a character perspective. 

Dalvin Cook had a domestic violence case. Now although he was found not guilty, it is one of many off the feild issues you have with cook. Here is the 911 call of the incedent: 

FSU is also a school which has dealt with plenty of accusations such as cook' s case, causing more concern in the overall maturity of players at FSU. 

Cook was also cited for mistreating 3 puppies:

 

His time before college is just as bad. He originally wanted to go to UF but was denied because his GPA was too low, so why not go to the college with an 80% acceptance rate FSU. In high school cook had multiple issues as well, according to Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinal-

"Did Florida State (along with Florida, Clemson and the dozens and dozens of other schools who recruited Cook) have any trepidation about bringing someone onto their campus who was arrested twice as a juvenile -- once in connection with a robbery and the other in connection with firing a weapon and possessing a weapon at an event on school property?"

Walter football also came out with a report on other issues regarding cook-

"Teams do have some off-the-field concerns about Cook and his character. He escaped some legal issues last year, but teams say that Cook has an entourage of gangbangers and they worry Cook drinks too much. Staying out of trouble is a concern that teams have." 

Ironically this was from a mock draft in which cook went to the ravens.

So, when you include his checkered past and the fact that the ravens rave about character and leadership on and off the feild as well as being a smart educated person. Why would they target him? With the way media is nowadays do the ravens take a chance on a PR nightmare? What happens when you pay a player like cook? Does he become a distraction?

It's all up for debate but my guess is the ravens won't be considering him come draft time. 

Edited February 24 by ravensnation5220

[RaineV1]

Yeah, I don't think the Ravens would touch Cook with a ten foot pole.

There's an underrated, small school guy that could be a perfect fit as a receiving back for the Ravens, Tarik Cohen, from North Carolina A&T. He's undersized so longevity could be a concern. That aside he has amazing vision, patience, great burst, the ability to walk the tightrope along the sideline for extra yards, and his ability to change directions on a dime is unreal. He's like a young Darren Sproles.

 

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, I don't think the Ravens would touch Cook with a ten foot pole.

There's an underrated, small school guy that could be a perfect fit as a receiving back for the Ravens, Tarik Cohen, from North Carolina A&T. He's undersized so longevity could be a concern. That aside he has amazing vision, patience, great burst, the ability to walk the tightrope along the sideline for extra yards, and his ability to change directions on a dime is unreal. He's like a young Darren Sproles.

 

I don't understand why so many people lol away from cooks character problems. Ill def have to look at this guy tarik Cohen though

[Somerset Ravens]

17 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, I don't think the Ravens would touch Cook with a ten foot pole.

There's an underrated, small school guy that could be a perfect fit as a receiving back for the Ravens, Tarik Cohen, from North Carolina A&T. He's undersized so longevity could be a concern. That aside he has amazing vision, patience, great burst, the ability to walk the tightrope along the sideline for extra yards, and his ability to change directions on a dime is unreal. He's like a young Darren Sproles.

 

Tarik Cohen certainly looked impressive. Does he return punts and kickoffs ? 

[ravensnation5220]

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7 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Tarik Cohen certainly looked impressive. Does he return punts and kickoffs ? 

I saw a tape where he did. Kid looks legit. I kinda like these small school prospects this year cohen, kpassagnon, and Lorenzo Jerome. A lot of talent to work with

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Tarik Cohen certainly looked impressive. Does he return punts and kickoffs ? 

He has some experience doing it. His skill set would be perfect for returning punts.

[ravensnation5220]

Anyone know if kalen ballage declared for the NFL draft? Kid is a monster. 6'3 220. Idk why no one is talking about him. His film is awesome 

[PurpleHorseman]

On 2/3/2017 at 7:40 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

If he is good enough at everything there will not be a need for creativity. He will make plays. The question is can he carry the ball 250 times a year? We all know he will be a very good receiver out of the backfield. But is he a good and durable enough Runner to be a real dual threat. I think we have that in Dixon. He is a tough runner and we have not received his immense rewards in the reviving game yet.  We have not yet peaked at all his cards.

He is tough elusive and competitive. Dixon is working to get faster. He was a little surprised and embarrassed at his 4.58 40(although very good for a RB). He insisted he is a sub 4.5 runner. And wants to play up to it.

[usmccharles]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 7:33 AM, Jacquouille said:

No, okay, I didn't mean to say anything about you, but I don't see how this isn't DV. He punched a woman in the face, period. It's basically Rice, except the girl wasn't his gf, which doesn't change anything. He's a heck of a talent but we just won't be the one to touch him.

So I basically had the same reaction as you.  Hypothetically, if we selected Mixon in say the 5th.....what would be your reaction?

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

So I basically had the same reaction as you.  Hypothetically, if we selected Mixon in say the 5th.....what would be your reaction?

Welp, I never thought about it, I think he's the absolute don't-touch-guy forvous Ozzie so I always skip when I see his name. But I would be fine with it. Let me first say that punching a woman is something I despise and can't stand. 

But I do believe in second chances and don't want to see a guy's career (and life) be destroyed by something that happened in 10sec. It's a case where you need to interview and know the guy more than the classic fan, but if it turns out he's just a kid who lost control for a sec, and he truly regrets it, I'm okay with taking him. I'll let the scouts decide.

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Welp, I never thought about it, I think he's the absolute don't-touch-guy forvous Ozzie so I always skip when I see his name. But I would be fine with it. Let me first say that punching a woman is something I despise and can't stand. 

But I do believe in second chances and don't want to see a guy's career (and life) be destroyed by something that happened in 10sec. It's a case where you need to interview and know the guy more than the classic fan, but if it turns out he's just a kid who lost control for a sec, and he truly regrets it, I'm okay with taking him. I'll let the scouts decide.

I understand what you are saying, I just couldn't be ok with it because the guy showed no remorse.  At the senior bowl he was joking around with his teammates pretending to be hit, tweeting stuff that clearly showed he didn't care.  I am all about second chances as well but the guy paid no price, he red shirted for a  year.  She had to see this guy walking around on campus.  There is just so much about it that bothers me.  I couldn't be on board. 

And I don't think any of us have to say that hitting a woman is not ok.   I don't think anyone on here would advocate for that. 

Edited February 25 by usmccharles

[ravensnation5220]

34 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I understand what you are saying, I just couldn't be ok with it because the guy showed no remorse.  At the senior bowl he was joking around with his teammates pretending to be hit, tweeting stuff that clearly showed he didn't care.  I am all about second chances as well but the guy paid no price, he red shirted for a  year.  She had to see this guy walking around on campus.  There is just so much about it that bothers me.  I couldn't be on board. 

And I don't think any of us have to say that hitting a woman is not ok.   I don't think anyone on here would advocate for that. 

Ya I think he is undraftable for the ravens but some team will take him. 

On the morality standpoint. I don't think we will take cook either. The dog thing bothers me more and looks worse then his dropped DV charge

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I think he is undraftable for the ravens but some team will take him. 

On the morality standpoint. I don't think we will take cook either. The dog thing bothers me more and looks worse then his dropped DV charge

I wouldn't say it bothers me more than DV towards a woman, but as a dog lover....its up there.  Agreed. 

[ravensnation5220]

53 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I wouldn't say it bothers me more than DV towards a woman, but as a dog lover....its up there.  Agreed. 

I didn't mean dv but just his case. Because it got dropped and he was found not guilty. But ya I think you know what I meant. And I honestly think that's something that gets you taken off Ozzie newesomes board

[Italian Raven]

On 30/01/2017 at 2:16 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

this may be irrelevant to 2017, but i just wanna say, saquan barkley looks better than any back in this class. 

just saw him for the first time and holy hell, this boy looks amazing.

Oh and you have to consider one thing: Penn St Oline is one of the 5 worst in the whole NCAAF. And I'm not exaggerating.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I didn't mean dv but just his case. Because it got dropped and he was found not guilty. But ya I think you know what I meant. And I honestly think that's something that gets you taken off Ozzie newesomes board

It was nothing directed towards you or your comments, just a statement really

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I understand what you are saying, I just couldn't be ok with it because the guy showed no remorse.  At the senior bowl he was joking around with his teammates pretending to be hit, tweeting stuff that clearly showed he didn't care.  I am all about second chances as well but the guy paid no price, he red shirted for a  year.  She had to see this guy walking around on campus.  There is just so much about it that bothers me.  I couldn't be on board. 

And I don't think any of us have to say that hitting a woman is not ok.   I don't think anyone on here would advocate for that. 

Well those are some datas I didn't have. As I said, unless I know really the truth about him, I can't decide. It's up to the scouts really. But if he is that kind of man you're talking about, then no I don't want him.

Yeah, just wanted to make it crystal clear since I never really got into this case.

 

[Italian Raven]

By the time I was starting to warm uo at the idea of Kamara as a 2nd round possibility I read:

2013-not on the sidelines for the Crimson Tide's victory over LSU because of "behavioral reasons."

2014-arrested and charged with driving on a suspended license, no drivers license, safety belts required and failure to appear, according to the report. He spent eight hours in jail before he was released on $1,824.

Man, I don't know. Maybe he really turned it around at Tenn but I would still beware of him that early. He likely wont be there in the 3rd because either KC, NE or another team will take a chance on him.

[KBoum]

Sorry guys I haven't read the whole thread but what are your thoughts on Foreman ? A friend of mine is trying to sell me that player big time in the 2nd, 3rd round. He LOVES him a lot. Heard Foreman lost 10 pounds and working on his catching skills. I see the potential, Bettis/Jamal Lewis type of player. What about his lateral agility ?

 

At the end of the day I'm really not high on drafting RBs in the early rounds. Unless they are like Zeke where we all knew he was a top 10 pick.

[ravefan52]

It seems like a lot of people on here don't like Fournette much, but he's in my top 5 for us. Cook top 10 not accounting for character issues. I know it's not super hard to find RB's, especially in this class, but those guys would single-handedly change the outcome of a lot games. 

[rmw10]

4 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

It seems like a lot of people on here don't like Fournette much, but he's in my top 5 for us. Cook top 10 not accounting for character issues. I know it's not super hard to find RB's, especially in this class, but those guys would single-handedly change the outcome of a lot games. 

I've never understood this disdain for Fournette around here.  He's clearly a top of the line prospect and I don't know how people don't see that.

[trevorsteadman]

On 2/26/2017 at 7:47 AM, KBoum said:

Sorry guys I haven't read the whole thread but what are your thoughts on Foreman ? A friend of mine is trying to sell me that player big time in the 2nd, 3rd round. He LOVES him a lot. Heard Foreman lost 10 pounds and working on his catching skills. I see the potential, Bettis/Jamal Lewis type of player. What about his lateral agility ?

 

At the end of the day I'm really not high on drafting RBs in the early rounds. Unless they are like Zeke where we all knew he was a top 10 pick.

He definitely has a 2nd to 3rd round grade by most people. To me though the only way I want the Ravens to take a running back if it is Fournette or Cook is on the board at #16. I don't think any of the other running backs in this draft has any more talent than Dixon and West is growing still. 

 

19 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I've never understood this disdain for Fournette around here.  He's clearly a top of the line prospect and I don't know how people don't see that.

To me he could be a Jamaal Lewis type thumper but I think a reason everyone is afraid of him is that so many running backs have come out recently that have that thumper type build but struggle at the NFL level because players play faster and stronger. If he brings enough strength to break a lot of tackles at the NFL level I really think he could be a pro bowler. But at the same time he can't rely on it as much at the next level. I think that is why I like Cook a lot more because his agility and break away speed is second to none. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

To me he could be a Jamaal Lewis type thumper but I think a reason everyone is afraid of him is that so many running backs have come out recently that have that thumper type build but struggle at the NFL level because players play faster and stronger. If he brings enough strength to break a lot of tackles at the NFL level I really think he could be a pro bowler. But at the same time he can't rely on it as much at the next level. I think that is why I like Cook a lot more because his agility and break away speed is second to none. 

Fournette is more than a thumper.  He has that second gear as well and that's what makes him so special.  He can run through people or run by them.  His biggest weakness is that he's not a guy that's going to break a guys ankles, but that's no problem at all to me.  Fournette is a rare big man that has burst and the ability to outrun defenders to go along with it.

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Fournette is more than a thumper.  He has that second gear as well and that's what makes him so special.  He can run through people or run by them.  His biggest weakness is that he's not a guy that's going to break a guys ankles, but that's no problem at all to me.  Fournette is a rare big man that has burst and the ability to outrun defenders to go along with it.

I like him a lot but I still think Cook has the higher ceiling of the two. I would be thrilled with either at 16. It just depends on where the offense is going. I just think there is more bust potential for Fournette than there is for Cook.

[KBoum]

Fournette with a good OL and a good ankle was phenomenal. I believe this season wasn't the real Fournette and he was still quite good. He's a very good runner I want him ahead of Cook thats for sure. Cook is so fast on tape but gotta be clean off the field imo.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, KBoum said:

Fournette with a good OL and a good ankle was phenomenal. I believe this season wasn't the real Fournette and he was still quite good. He's a very good runner I want him ahead of Cook thats for sure. Cook is so fast on tape but gotta be clean off the field imo.

I think both are gone before we pick, i would actually bet on that

[rossihunter2]

26 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think both are gone before we pick, i would actually bet on that

I'd like that to happen because it would push some of my preferred prospects at other positions down but in trying to fit them into spots before us I always get stuck or the fit doesn't feel right... which teams do you reckon could take them realistically ahead of us?