2017 NFL Draft - RB's

[berad]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is anyone touching Mixon with a 10foot poll?he is über talented, but obviously DV is no joke anymore.

if he is still there in 4th or 5th should we just take him?

Bisciotti's one mandate has been no guys with DV history, they've said that pretty much since 2014 onwards. They won't draft him at all, not even a UDFA. There's a video of him punching a woman in the face. Outside of the obvious moral/ethical/legal issue, why put the team through that again?

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is anyone touching Mixon with a 10foot poll?he is über talented, but obviously DV is no joke anymore.

if he is still there in 4th or 5th should we just take him?

We won't. We've said we won't take any player with a DV charge. I think he'll go to the chiefs. They don't seem to mind those issues as they took tyreek hill whose case seems worse. He chocked and beat his PREGNANT girlfriend. Even got on top of her and punched her stomach. He pleaded guilty to these charges once his lawyer dropped his case. The chiefs took him in the 5th round. He made the pro bowl yet nobody talks about what he did. They'd rather talk about how fast he is

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, berad said:

Bisciotti's one mandate has been no guys with DV history, they've said that pretty much since 2014 onwards. They won't draft him at all, not even a UDFA. There's a video of him punching a woman in the face. Outside of the obvious moral/ethical/legal issue, why put the team through that again?

That's what I've been saying with Dalvin Cook. His case was dropped but he has so many other arrests and citations that you can't just ignore it. Yet media analysts and draft people, even the Baltimore Sun mention him as an option for us. I don't understand it. It's like they don't follow the ravens 

[berad]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

That's what I've been saying with Dalvin Cook. His case was dropped but he has so many other arrests and citations that you can't just ignore it. Yet media analysts and draft people, even the Baltimore Sun mention him as an option for us. I don't understand it. It's like they don't follow the ravens 

They're just guessing at this point. Give them some time. Once in a while, a reporter snags a decent source and makes good on a selection. But, overall, outside of the top 5, it's darts on a board.

Look at who that mock drafter guessed the Ravens would pick in 2016, then 2015, then 2014. I like looking at them but it's a shot in the dark.

[RavensDieHard21]

So how about Perine? 

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

So how about Perine? 

I think his below average elusiveness and receiving skills are going to put his value lower than other guys since the FO seems to want more of a receiving back. 

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

How about Perine from the Sooners?That guy is a powerful down hill runner. Mid round guy we could get in the 4th.

We land someone like Pocic, Eiflein, Orlosky, Feeny, Lamp for the interior and add Perine and we could have a real nice power scheme under Roman. 

I've liked Perine for awhile. He's a bit injury prone, but has tons of power and is really explosive through the hole.

[RavensDieHard21]

Ya I know he isn't very elusive or anything but he charges those holes and takes off. 

He has shown he be a bit injury prone, mainly because his style, but if he could be a part of a three headed monster like we had with Rice, McGahee and McClain, he could be a real threat since he will be fresh. 

[hn68wb4]

5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is anyone touching Mixon with a 10foot poll?he is über talented, but obviously DV is no joke anymore.

if he is still there in 4th or 5th should we just take him?

Honestly, even taking his DV off the table I think Mixon is super overrated from a talent stand point

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

Honestly, even taking his DV off the table I think Mixon is super overrated from a talent stand point

Agreed Alvin kamara is much better

[JoeyFlex5]

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

[Somerset Ravens]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

You bring up an interesting point.  I don't feel our coaching is creative enough, especially making adjustments during a game.  If used correctly Samuel could provide some interesting mismatches. Hopefully Greg Roman will help. 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

I'm not sure how well the Ravens would use him. However, I'd be for having him. He's a great weapon on offense that can create some real mismatches when moved around.

[RavensDieHard21]

In Roman we trust lol well at least we would have to because I think Samuel is a nice mismatch maker that can do damage if we get him in space. 

[TNRaven24]

12 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Honestly, even taking his DV off the table I think Mixon is super overrated from a talent stand point

The only rb in this draft that is more talented than Mixon is Cook.  If he were to fall I'd love to draft him but we all know that won't happen. 

[trevorsteadman]

16 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I've liked Perine for awhile. He's a bit injury prone, but has tons of power and is really explosive through the hole.

Probably not the only thing with these traits.

[RavensDieHard21]

13 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Probably not the only thing with these traits.

Wait, what? Lol

[Jacquouille]

On 30/01/2017 at 2:16 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

this may be irrelevant to 2017, but i just wanna say, saquan barkley looks better than any back in this class. 

just saw him for the first time and holy hell, this boy looks amazing.

I've been saying that the 2018 RB class is going to be amazing as well. Is Barkley better than Cook? I don't know, we'll see, but you add Ronald Jones, Nick Chubb, Royce Freeman, Derrius Guyce, Myles Gaskin, Akrum Wadley... A lot of players that I love.

[BmoreBird22]

On 2/2/2017 at 3:26 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is anyone touching Mixon with a 10foot poll?he is über talented, but obviously DV is no joke anymore.

if he is still there in 4th or 5th should we just take him?

Apparently Matt Miller thinks he'll go in the second round. He has him as the second best running back in the draft.

[BmoreBird22]

On 2/3/2017 at 7:40 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Thoughts on Curtis Samuel as a raven in the 2nd? I really like him and would love the idea of having a starting caliber RB(or at least a 3DB) who is also a starting caliber wr. 

I just don't know if we are creative enough for that or if that fits the identity were supposedly trying to build. I mean if we want a big strong OL and wanna play tough then I think some deception goes a long way, if we want a power run game then having Samuel and juice in the backfield together is enticing, it always appears we wanna run power plays but then BOTH break off routes downfield and catch the ball very well. 

I don't think it fits Marty's style of offense but I think Greg roman could have some success with this kind of philosophy

Is he viewed as a top 64 talent? We're still a good way off, but I haven't seen him ranked in the second, but I'd love Curtis Samuel.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 2/4/2017 at 10:01 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

Is he viewed as a top 64 talent? We're still a good way off, but I haven't seen him ranked in the second, but I'd love Curtis Samuel.

WF has been mocking him in he second frequently by both posters and Charlie is usually spot on with players stocks.

[jazz1988]

I like Joe Mixon but i'm not sure if The Ravens will be interested in him. Of course his  off the field situation is worrisome but it isn't a domestic violence incident because the woman wasn't his spouse or partner. If The Ravens have interest in him then they would have to take the true definition of domestic violence in consideration  but then there's the public perception which isn't always focused on facts.

Edited February 7 by jazz1988

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

WF has been mocking him in he second frequently by both posters and Charlie is usually spot on with players stocks.

Matt Miller had the Ravens taking him in the third in his latest mock.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I like Joe Mixon but i'm not sure if The Ravens will be interested in him. Of course his  off the field situation is worrisome but it isn't a domestic violence incident because the woman wasn't his spouse or partner. If The Ravens have interest in him then they would have to take the true definition of domestic violence in consideration  but then there's the public perception which isn't always forced on facts.

 I dont know what kind of public perfection could be formed other than he just straight up jacked a woman in the face, knocking her out, and not showing any remorse. Yea, he apologized but considering the things he was continuously tweeting out through everything, its clear he was saving face when "apologizing"

I would be absolutely outraged if we picked him. 

[jazz1988]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 I dont know what kind of public perfection could be formed other than he just straight up jacked a woman in the face, knocking her out, and not showing any remorse. Yea, he apologized but considering the things he was continuously tweeting out through everything, its clear he was saving face when "apologizing"

I would be absolutely outraged if we picked him. 

Public perception is that this was domestic violence situation which it was not. I saw the video where the woman jump up to him and hit him   and then he proceeded to act out in a inappropriate manner. This also happened  in 2014 and that would make him about 18 years old at the time when this incident happened. Since The Ravens stated they will not have interest in players that have a history with domestic violence but won't shy away  from players with a troubled past, it makes me wonder if they will consider  a guy like Joe Mixon who had a off the field incident when he was a  teenager.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, jazz1988 said:

Public perception is that this was domestic violence situation which it was not. I saw the video where the woman jump up to him and hit him   and then he proceeded to act out in a inappropriate manner. This also happened  in 2014 and that would make him about 18 years old at the time when this incident happened. Since The Ravens stated they will not have interest in players that have a history with domestic violence but won't shy away  from players with a troubled past, it makes me wonder if they will consider  a guy like Joe Mixon who had a off the field incident when he was a  teenager.

I think there is absolutely zero chance we consider him.  I am not sure if those two were ever intimate or not, but the technicality of the definition to me doesnt matter, this is just my personal opinion.  If every guy who has every been slapped by woman decided to throw a punch back.....there would be so many people in jail over getting slapped in the face.  I've been slapped hard core before (inappropriate joke) and not once did i think, "let me jack her in the face....that will even us out."

I understand that his is very gray area, but just something i personally would never be on board for, just cant, respectfully. 

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Public perception is that this was domestic violence situation which it was not. I saw the video where the woman jump up to him and hit him   and then he proceeded to act out in a inappropriate manner. This also happened  in 2014 and that would make him about 18 years old at the time when this incident happened. Since The Ravens stated they will not have interest in players that have a history with domestic violence but won't shy away  from players with a troubled past, it makes me wonder if they will consider  a guy like Joe Mixon who had a off the field incident when he was a  teenager.

So, because it didn't happen in a house or with his wife, it's OK to straight up destroy a woman's face and call it «troubled past»?

[jazz1988]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

So, because it didn't happen in a house or with his wife, it's OK to straight up destroy a woman's face and call it «troubled past»?

I only stated since this isn't a domestic violence situation which it has been consistently called  and happened two years ago would The Ravens consider Joe Mixon. This is  not me making light of the situation and  me calling his past troubling  or him having a "troubled past" is not me saying it's ok but if you or others want to call  it more than that then why not.  If anybody felt offended by my previous statement  then I apologize especially to the women that participate or read these forums. My aim was not  to make light of the situation but look at in a logical  point of view and overall get feed back but maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.  

[jboy19]

39 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I only stated since this isn't a domestic violence situation which it has been consistently called  and happened two years ago would The Ravens consider Joe Mixon. This is  not me making light of the situation and  me calling his past troubling  or him having a "troubled past" is not me saying it's ok but if you or others want to call  it more than that then why not.  If anybody felt offended by my previous statement  then I apologize especially to the women that participate or read these forums. My aim was not  to make light of the situation but look at in a logical  point of view and overall get feed back but maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.  

Aside from the classification issue, you might not be entirely wrong. Mixon kind of fits that Leveon Bell "patient" runner mold, so i wouldn't be surprised if he at least got an interview. But i also wouldnt be surprised if he was completely taken off the board. Either way, I think another team will end up taking him before the Ravens would even think about it. 

[Jacquouille]

56 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I only stated since this isn't a domestic violence situation which it has been consistently called  and happened two years ago would The Ravens consider Joe Mixon. This is  not me making light of the situation and  me calling his past troubling  or him having a "troubled past" is not me saying it's ok but if you or others want to call  it more than that then why not.  If anybody felt offended by my previous statement  then I apologize especially to the women that participate or read these forums. My aim was not  to make light of the situation but look at in a logical  point of view and overall get feed back but maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.  

No, okay, I didn't mean to say anything about you, but I don't see how this isn't DV. He punched a woman in the face, period. It's basically Rice, except the girl wasn't his gf, which doesn't change anything. He's a heck of a talent but we just won't be the one to touch him.