2017 NFL Draft - RB's

[hn68wb4]

8 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

That's what it was! Is he a mid-rounder or????

Hard to say, if he tears up the East/West shrine game and puts up great numbers at the combine/pro day then he could be a mid rounder. Some of his production has to be put on Utah's oline, they're legit, especially that RG of theirs, but on the flip side he is a far better receiver than his numbers - or lack there of - would indicate, he was always open but their QB never hit him out of the backfield. Mid rounds sounds about right when it's all said and done, but he'll have to answer questions about his retirement surely.

Edited January 4 by hn68wb4

[ngatathroughstreet]

I still like taking Cook in the 1st. I think Flacco has trouble adjusting to new pieces around him and a true 3 down back will benefit him. Flacco always seemed to be able to predict where Rice would be and vice-versa which made them a great tandem, always swapping Dixon-West (neither of whom are going to set the world on fire) doesn't suit him IMO.

[purpledown]

Dalvin Cook is a game breaker who could be there at 16. The Ravens should draft him,he is a proven back with speed and power.

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[JonnyBaltimore]

1 hour ago, purpledown said:

Dalvin Cook is a game breaker who could be there at 16. The Ravens should draft him,he is a proven back with speed and power.

He is a game changer. His feet are amazing.

[GrimCoconut]

10 hours ago, purpledown said:

Dalvin Cook is a game breaker who could be there at 16. The Ravens should draft him,he is a proven back with speed and power.

 

9 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

He is a game changer. His feet are amazing.

Cook is interesting because a good run game can keep the other team off the field and would open up the offense and possibly make Joe better so you could potentially improve both the offense and defense with one move.  I don't think this should be overlooked as a possibility for us in the first, second or third even with Dixon

[January J]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

Cook is interesting because a good run game can keep the other team off the field and would open up the offense and possibly make Joe better so you could potentially improve both the offense and defense with one move.  I don't think this should be overlooked as a possibility for us in the first, second or third even with Dixon

I think we only should consider taking him if we get caught in the middle with all of our top pass rushers off the board...not wanting to reach for somebody who's a late first rounder- and not being able to find a trade back partner... Only in that scenario do I see us taking Cook.

[RaineV1]

I just can't put Cook over some of the defensive talent that's probably going to available at 16.

[hn68wb4]

I just don't see Cook as BPA at 16, especially in such a deep RB class. If you want a RB then you can easily have Gallman or Kamara, who are each game breaking backs in their own right, n the 2nd.

Edited January 6 by hn68wb4

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I just don't see Cook as BPA at 16, especially in such a deep RB class. If you want a RB then you can easily have Gallman or Kamara, who are each game breaking backs in their own right, n the 2nd.

Curtis Samuel also.

[GrimCoconut]

7 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I just don't see Cook as BPA at 16, especially in such a deep RB class. If you want a RB then you can easily have Gallman or Kamara, who are each game breaking backs in their own right, n the 2nd.

 

8 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Curtis Samuel also.

Hey people said the same thing about Elliott myself included at times last year.  I recognize you can find quality RB in every round but there's clearly a difference between Elliott and the rest of his class and there's clearly a difference between Cook and Fournette and the rest of theirs. I try to just keep an open mind because would it honestly surprise anyone if Ozzie drafted a RB like Cook or Fournette? I personally wouldn't really be shocked. 

[hn68wb4]

7 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

Hey people said the same thing about Elliott myself included at times last year.  I recognize you can find quality RB in every round but there's clearly a difference between Elliott and the rest of his class and there's clearly a difference between Cook and Fournette and the rest of theirs. I try to just keep an open mind because would it honestly surprise anyone if Ozzie drafted a RB like Cook or Fournette? I personally wouldn't really be shocked. 

I think last year my argument was basically, don't take a RB because next year's draft is stacked, I know I didn't say we could find a good back later because I didn't like the class aside from a couple guys. And to be fair there are lots of back that would be successful behind that Cowboys oline - I mean three of them are first team all-pro...

It' wouldn't surprise me at all if Ozzie in the end took Cook or Fournette, but up until that point all I can say is that I wouldn't have either of them as BPA over some of the other guys that I believe will be available at that point. I wouldn't be surprised if both are actually gone before our pick, I'm not much a fan of Fournette but theres a ton of hype surrounding him and the combine will only make Cook look better, the guy is just an all around freak athlete - if we do end up taking him I don't think he'd be a bad pick by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited January 7 by hn68wb4

[usmccharles]

On 12/7/2016 at 11:47 PM, RaineV1 said:

He's had some injuries, but I really like Perine.

I was all about him last year, i would be thrilled.  He has the best nickname ever too:  Optimus Perine

I expect us to draft a RB late, but i think Dixon and West can get the job done, maybe with some more development Dixon can turn into a lead back

Edited January 7 by usmccharles

[RaineV1]

34 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I was all about him last year, i would be thrilled.  He has the best nickname ever too:  Optimus Perine

I expect us to draft a RB late, but i think Dixon and West can get the job done, maybe with some more development Dixon can turn into a lead back

Agreed. Dixon, West, and Juice is just a really good combination. Right now I'd only want a RB if he's there to return punts.

Edited January 7 by RaineV1

[usmccharles]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

Agreed. Dixon, West, and Juice is just a really good combination.

Obviously it would be nice to hit on a Rice clone, but guys like that dont come around often.  While i think that would really get us back to seeing the best of Joe, i just dont think its probable to find another like him, obviously. 

[Jacquouille]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Obviously it would be nice to hit on a Rice clone, but guys like that dont come around often.  While i think that would really get us back to seeing the best of Joe, i just dont think its probable to find another like him, obviously. 

To me Dixon is the closest thing to Rice you could ask for...

[BmoreBird22]

Matt Miller spoke to an NFC East scout that said Dalvin Cook has a serious shoulder issue worth watching.

[gtalk12]

On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 4:35 AM, Davesta said:

I think Dixon is taking over next year. This feels like ray rice rookie year when he split reps with McGhee then eventually became the workhorse. I think more pressing needs like OL, DL, WR should be drafted. But you know Ozzie, BPA.

but if some how Fournette drops to us, youre not taking him?

[usmccharles]

15 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

To me Dixon is the closest thing to Rice you could ask for...

I dont see any resemblance in the two.  I feel Rice was a lot more shifty and Dixon kind of just powers through holes.  But its still early to judge

[gtalk12]

17 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I dont see any resemblance in the two.  I feel Rice was a lot more shifty and Dixon kind of just powers through holes.  But its still early to judge

Dixon is a much more powerful runner.

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

Dixon is a much more powerful runner.

Pollyanna so, but rice had the moves

[January J]

Turron Davenport has stated we are spending a tremendous amount of time with RB Donnel Pumphrey.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Turron Davenport has stated we are spending a tremendous amount of time with RB Donnel Pumphrey.

Makes sense.  I think Pumphrey is more the type of RB that we're looking for as opposed to a true 3 down type of guy.  If we find one, great, but I believe we're looking to add another element to what we already have.  Pumphrey is that small guy who can hit the home run.  Dixon and West are more of the wear you down, bruiser types, although they are fairly elusive.  We're just missing someone with that extra gear in the open field.

[January J]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Makes sense.  I think Pumphrey is more the type of RB that we're looking for as opposed to a true 3 down type of guy.  If we find one, great, but I believe we're looking to add another element to what we already have.  Pumphrey is that small guy who can hit the home run.  Dixon and West are more of the wear you down, bruiser types, although they are fairly elusive.  We're just missing someone with that extra gear in the open field.

Agreed. What are your thoughts on Cook if he were to fall to 16?  A lot of people still don't believe in drafting rbs in the first round since so many talented ones can be found much later- dixon being a prime example. Esp with our other needs. But then again you look at guys like Zeke ( albeit he's behind a killer o line) or Jamal Lewis who took us all the way and was a intricate part of getting us that ring. We need to get back to the run first mentality- but is Dixon that guy? I think he definitely could be. Id kinda rather go CB at 16 ( or WR if mike or Corey happen to Fall) but I certainly wouldn't be mad if we took Cook.

Edited January 24 by January J

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

Agreed. What are your thoughts on Cook if he were to fall to 16?  A lot of people still don't believe in drafting rbs in the first round since so many talented ones can be found much later- dixon being a prime example. Esp with our other needs. But then again you look at guys like Zeke ( albeit he's behind a killer o line) or Jamal Lewis who took us all the way and was a intricate part of getting us that ring. We need to get back to the run first mentality- but is Dixon that guy? I think he definitely could be. Id kinda rather go CB at 16 ( or WR if mike or Corey happen to Fall) but I certainly wouldn't be mad if we took Cook.

I like Cook but I don't think we're at that level yet where we can afford to go RB in round 1.  I have no problem with doing it, but I feel like you need to have some other pieces in place first.  I wouldn't be mad with it, but I also don't feel like he's the best fit for the team at this time.

[January J]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I like Cook but I don't think we're at that level yet where we can afford to go RB in round 1.  I have no problem with doing it, but I feel like you need to have some other pieces in place first.  I wouldn't be mad with it, but I also don't feel like he's the best fit for the team at this time.

very true. We could be though depending on what we do in FA and in the later rounds. I dont know just smells like an Ozzie pick to me.

[rmw10]

Just now, January J said:

very true. We could be though depending on what we do in FA and in the later rounds. I dont know just smells like an Ozzie pick to me.

I'm not seeing it.  Ozzie certainly tries to live by his BPA mantra but I think he's got to know at this point that pass rusher and CB have been holes for far too long, and this draft is a prime opportunity to try to fill those holes.  His seat has to be getting at least a little warm.

[berad]

Can Pumphrey return kicks and punts? Makes him more valuable and it's been a weakness for the Ravens ever since Jacoby started declining.

[January J]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm not seeing it.  Ozzie certainly tries to live by his BPA mantra but I think he's got to know at this point that pass rusher and CB have been holes for far too long, and this draft is a prime opportunity to try to fill those holes.  His seat has to be getting at least a little warm.

Bisciotti certainly will be gawking over the pass rushers and cbs- but Ozzie doesn't let anybody persuade him away from his vision. Might turn out that those positions are the BPA anyway. I disagree his seat is even warm though. Harbs's will be getting toasty  before Ozzie's even gets Luke warm. He's earned a ton of leeway- and everybody knows he's grooming Eric anyway. So almost undoubtedly Steve will ride it out with oz until he steps down- which I think may be in the near future. 2 or 3 more years tops. Decosta will be our GM by 2020.

[January J]

7 minutes ago, berad said:

Can Pumphrey return kicks and punts? Makes him more valuable and it's been a weakness for the Ravens ever since Jacoby started declining.

Good question. That's what makes peppers intriguing- but his lack of producing turnovers turns me off quite a bit. I'd like the pick but wouldn't love it.

[Jonah DeVito]

On 1/6/2017 at 10:56 PM, usmccharles said:

Obviously it would be nice to hit on a Rice clone, but guys like that dont come around often.  While i think that would really get us back to seeing the best of Joe, i just dont think its probable to find another like him, obviously. 

I hear there's this Rice guy who's out of the league right now, I bet he'd be pretty close to RR