[News] What You Missed vs. Miami Dolphins

[rossihunter2]

16 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I don't know how we can "miss" these perfectly obvious things. The only way you could miss these things is if you didn't bother watching the game.

if they were perfectly obvious, this feature wouldnt be as popular as it is

and is there really a need to make this comment - if you dont like the article, dont read it, and dont crap on other people's enjoyment just for the hell of it

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I don't know how we can "miss" these perfectly obvious things. The only way you could miss these things is if you didn't bother watching the game.

if they were perfectly obvious, this feature wouldnt be as popular as it is

and is there really a need to make this comment - if you dont like the article, dont read it, and dont crap on other people's enjoyment just for the hell of it

Thank you. There just seems to be a lot of negative and angry people that comment on this site. It's sad, and confusing

[PersianRaven]

Ravens have a lot going for them in this Monday night game. Their fully staffed, there's lots of tape on New England, they have a extra day to get ready, and there is no room to lose. Whats scary is: Miami game a fluke? Will the penalties decrease? Can they protect Joe? i.e block,

Very well-said!

[PersianRaven]

The one thing that concerns me is if the weather is not good and we have to rely on the run. Do we have enough power to win that way? I'm not sure where the Pats stand against the run. Anyone help me?

As long as we feed Dixon, I am sure he can do damage. West has been doing his thing and we still don't feed him :-(

[EdTheMythicalOne]

10 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Thanks. Sounds good to me.

The Patriots never rely on the run, but they have a back in Blount who could give us some trouble since he's a banger and not a dancer. I don't see our secondary being able to bring him down to easily.

I agree that Joe is a good bad weather QB and it is part of the reason why the Ravens scouted him and looked at him in poor weather. He also played at Delaware which is close enough to Maryland to experience Maryland-type weather. Bad weather could benefit the Ravens in that sense.

[jdynamite]

14 hours ago, billiejean said:

Zuttah has been tearing it up this whole season contrary to what many people on here say. He has been graded as one of the top 5 Ravens offensive players in 5 games. This included having the best grade of all Ravens offensive players against the Giants. So I really wouldn't say its his "best game of the season by far" because he has played at a consistently high level for the ENTIRE year.

There are times where PFF grading scale makes no sense and that would be the curious case of Jermey Zuttah..   Zuttah spent 6 of the first 8 games looking completely lost at times.  When the oline was in shambles starting Hurst, Jensen and Zuttah there was plenty of times where neither Zuttah or Jensen touched a DL or LB , but hey if Zuttah managed to get a positive grade, I guess he blocked the air well. 

During multiple games we've seen Zuttah drive so far back off the ball that Flacco was stepped on by Zuttah.   

I'm sure he's had some good moments in there, but a consistently high level all year is an overstatement imo.  

If Zuttah's play at oline is consistently high, then players that have performed consistently high : T.Young, J.Smith, Jernigan, Wagner must be at an All Pro level then. 

[jdynamite]

14 hours ago, billiejean said:

Zuttah has been tearing it up this whole season contrary to what many people on here say. He has been graded as one of the top 5 Ravens offensive players in 5 games. This included having the best grade of all Ravens offensive players against the Giants. So I really wouldn't say its his "best game of the season by far" because he has played at a consistently high level for the ENTIRE year.

There are times where PFF grading scale makes no sense and that would be the curious case of Jermey Zuttah..   Zuttah spent 6 of the first 8 games looking completely lost at times.  When the oline was in shambles starting Hurst, Jensen and Zuttah there was plenty of times where neither Zuttah or Jensen touched a DL or LB , but hey if Zuttah managed to get a positive grade, I guess he blocked the air well. 

During multiple games we've seen Zuttah drive so far back off the ball that Flacco was stepped on by Zuttah.   

I'm sure he's had some good moments in there, but a consistently high level all year is an overstatement imo.  

If Zuttah's play at oline is consistently high, then players that have performed consistently high : T.Young, J.Smith, Jernigan, Wagner must be at an All Pro level then. 

[billiejean]

  19 hours ago, billiejean said:

Zuttah has been tearing it up this whole season contrary to what many people on here say. He has been graded as one of the top 5 Ravens offensive players in 5 games. This included having the best grade of all Ravens offensive players against the Giants. So I really wouldn't say its his "best game of the season by far" because he has played at a consistently high level for the ENTIRE year.

There are times where PFF grading scale makes no sense and that would be the curious case of Jermey Zuttah..   Zuttah spent 6 of the first 8 games looking completely lost at times.  When the oline was in shambles starting Hurst, Jensen and Zuttah there was plenty of times where neither Zuttah or Jensen touched a DL or LB , but hey if Zuttah managed to get a positive grade, I guess he blocked the air well. 

During multiple games we've seen Zuttah drive so far back off the ball that Flacco was stepped on by Zuttah.   

I'm sure he's had some good moments in there, but a consistently high level all year is an overstatement imo.  

If Zuttah's play at oline is consistently high, then players that have performed consistently high : T.Young, J.Smith, Jernigan, Wagner must be at an All Pro level then. 

You're right "consistently high" was an exaggeration. But the PFF grades for for all of Zuttahs games are a pretty accurate representation of his performance. The first thing is that the grades which I referenced are not cumulative. They are based on a players performance for that particular game. He definitely had a rough four games at the beginning of the year, and its not an excuse, but as you mentioned above, the Oline was a revolving door during the first half of the year. There are going to be mishaps when an OL hasn't had time to gel. Not to mention the fact that the replacement players are going to be a down grade from the starters, which also effects OL performances. The grades aren't based on just a handful of plays "Zuttah or Jensen touched a DL or LB , but hey if Zuttah managed to get a positive grade, I guess he blocked the air well". Every single play that a player is in the game for is graded. So "blocking air" for one play during a game doesn't mean that his overall grade will be poor. That said I would be willing to bet that he got a negative grade for the game that you referenced (blocking air). But I cant be sure because I dont have a PFF subscription. The key to PFF is that it is about every single play. It is unlikely that anyone focuses on Zuttah or any other O lineman for an entire game. But in order to evaluate a players performance, that is what you would have to do for the entire game. There are certainty flaws though. Each play is graded on a scale from -2 to 2. The two being the best and the negative two being the worst. I would argue that numbers don't accurately represent the damage that is done to a team when a player commits a penalty because the scale only goes down so far. Zuttah played really well in the Dallas Cowboys game. The only guy on offense that got a higher grade was Marshall. That said JZ committed 3 costly penalties that arent accurately represented in his PFF grade. I would argue that two of the penalties were unfounded, but they were penalties none the less and ended up being drive killers. The link below goes into greater detail of how PFF comes up with the grades.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 12/8/2016 at 6:10 AM, jdynamite said:

There are times where PFF grading scale makes no sense and that would be the curious case of Jermey Zuttah..   Zuttah spent 6 of the first 8 games looking completely lost at times.  When the oline was in shambles starting Hurst, Jensen and Zuttah there was plenty of times where neither Zuttah or Jensen touched a DL or LB , but hey if Zuttah managed to get a positive grade, I guess he blocked the air well. 

During multiple games we've seen Zuttah drive so far back off the ball that Flacco was stepped on by Zuttah.   

I'm sure he's had some good moments in there, but a consistently high level all year is an overstatement imo.  

If Zuttah's play at oline is consistently high, then players that have performed consistently high : T.Young, J.Smith, Jernigan, Wagner must be at an All Pro level then. 

Zuttah has been playing through a back injury all season and then also messed up his ankle. He never was truly great, but he was a very solid guy who was better than anyone else we had at the time. With Urschel's concussion issues and interests aside from football and the fact that he's not a bruiser type, I am not sure he's the answer at center when Zuttah's contract runs out.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 12/7/2016 at 7:03 PM, rossihunter2 said:

if they were perfectly obvious, this feature wouldnt be as popular as it is

and is there really a need to make this comment - if you dont like the article, dont read it, and dont crap on other people's enjoyment just for the hell of it

I am sorry, I thought this was a forum where people are allowed to express their opinions.

If a whole point of an article is "What you missed..." and it includes nothing that I actually missed and includes everything that anyone who watched the game would plainly see then I fail to see the point of it. I am not angry or sad about it. It just simply is.

Did anyone really miss Suggs balling out like he does? Did anybody miss that Flacco actually had time to throw this game?

How exactly am I detracting from other peoples' ability to enjoy this article? I am not that powerful.

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I am sorry, I thought this was a forum where people are allowed to express their opinions.

If a whole point of an article is "What you missed..." and it includes nothing that I actually missed and includes everything that anyone who watched the game would plainly see then I fail to see the point of it. I am not angry or sad about it. It just simply is.

Did anyone really miss Suggs balling out like he does? Did anybody miss that Flacco actually had time to throw this game?

How exactly am I detracting from other peoples' ability to enjoy this article? I am not that powerful.

well i guess most of us just aren't as intelligent as you then because i definitely missed seeing the makeup of the 7 man blocking team on the smith sr first reception for example

so you go sit on your high horse because you obviously dont need this, but those of us who do need it/like it will continue to read it... sound fair?

i just dont get what the point of you commenting that the article is pointless is when its obvious many people, including me, gain something from it each week

[Moderator 3]

44 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I am sorry, I thought this was a forum where people are allowed to express their opinions.

If a whole point of an article is "What you missed..." and it includes nothing that I actually missed and includes everything that anyone who watched the game would plainly see then I fail to see the point of it. I am not angry or sad about it. It just simply is.

Did anyone really miss Suggs balling out like he does? Did anybody miss that Flacco actually had time to throw this game?

How exactly am I detracting from other peoples' ability to enjoy this article? I am not that powerful.

A huge number of our members don't get to SEE the games.

[Moderator 2]

Let's keep this to the topic please, if you don't like the piece don't read it and don't call out or belittle those that like it. Mod 3 made a valid point some do not get to 'see' the every nuance of the game even if you are there.

[VermontRaven]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

A huge number of our members don't get to SEE the games.

Excellent point. I enjoy these articles because I often do miss segments of our games.  Typically I see the first half or so in whole because my 2 young children are down for nap, but often see bits and pieces of the 2nd half.  Not every fan can watch every second of every game. These articles and this message board are a great way to keep me up to date on everything that happened/is happening with the Ravens.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 12/9/2016 at 7:00 PM, Moderator 2 said:

Let's keep this to the topic please, if you don't like the piece don't read it and don't call out or belittle those that like it. Mod 3 made a valid point some do not get to 'see' the every nuance of the game even if you are there.

I think you need to look back over the posts. I didn't belittle anyone, in fact it is the other way around. I would like to see you address those people instead of me. I have been very respectful to the people that have replied to me and have been less that amicable with their words. Did I tell anyone they were on their high horse? Did I call anyone stupid? I certainly don't think so.

For people who didn't see the game, then fine, I get it. Maybe the title of the article should be changed to better reflect the posts within it? To me, I am an avid fan so I am always watching the games. So to me when I read "What you missed..." I am looking for some really in depth insight that generally fans can't get access to just from watching the game on TV.