[News] Late For Work 12/5: Checking In On Joe Flacco's Elite Status After Record Day

[whobilly]

  2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

his delivery was faster - his mechanics looked much better and they had looked like they were improving since the bye but his release i think was finally that extra fraction quicker and he finally had enough time to go through all his reads and even go back to the first one on one occasion

Amen to that. It's amazing how the game changes when your QB isint in his butt most of the time lol

Amazing how the game changes when the O line gives you an extra second or two.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Here I make it simple. How many PRO bowls has Joe been selected too compared to other QB's?

Who cares. He wins more games then he loses.

[OUravensfan]

Just now, whobilly said:

Amazing how the game changes when the O line gives you an extra second or two.

It really is, I don't feel so homer for saying if Flacco had Dak or Carr protection we don't have a negative Flacco thread.

[FloridalovesRavens]

I am not trying to nitpick but has anyone questioned Harbaugh about the decision not to challenge the Pitta fumble? It obviously didn't change the outcome but I thought it was a no brainer. If we didn't win the challenge it wouldn't be a huge deal as there was no reason to try to save time outs. He looked a bit befuddled on the sideline after the play.

You are nit picking so just stop it lol.

[OUravensfan]

4 hours ago, billiejean said:

I am not trying to nitpick but has anyone questioned Harbaugh about the decision not to challenge the Pitta fumble? It obviously didn't change the outcome but I thought it was a no brainer. If we didn't win the challenge it wouldn't be a huge deal as there was no reason to try to save time outs. He looked a bit befuddled on the sideline after the play.

A rule change a few years ago changed it so that all turnovers (and scoring plays) are reviewed or not reviewed per the refs collective discretion, I was shocked they didn't review it (or did they and fail to communicate?) but also not shocked because Carl Cheffers is astonishingly horrible at his job and ALWAYS has been.

[FloridalovesRavens]

great win, a good mix, the Ravens HAVE to run the ball to win.

No. That was proven yesterday. You take what is given. They gave a lot of pass plays.

[sami]

Hey Jeff Zrebiec, the reason Suggs was still in the game was cuz SIZZ SAYS SO. He loves to play, so are YOU gonna tell him he has to come out?

[rmcjacket23]

Hey Jeff Zrebiec, the reason Suggs was still in the game was cuz SIZZ SAYS SO. He loves to play, so are YOU gonna tell him he has to come out?

Well its really not up to him if he wants to play or not.

If I were a coach, I'd have taken him out. If for nothing else, I'd have loved to see the hypocrisy of fans who would complain about him injuring himself further in a meaningless time of the game.

I'm sure Joe didn't really enjoy being taken out either, but I'm sure he would appreciate not tearing his ACL with a 30 point lead in the 4th quarter when his team is trying to make a playoff run.

[rmcjacket23]

  4 hours ago, billiejean said:

I am not trying to nitpick but has anyone questioned Harbaugh about the decision not to challenge the Pitta fumble? It obviously didn't change the outcome but I thought it was a no brainer. If we didn't win the challenge it wouldn't be a huge deal as there was no reason to try to save time outs. He looked a bit befuddled on the sideline after the play.

A rule change a few years ago changed it so that all turnovers (and scoring plays) are reviewed or not reviewed per the refs collective discretion, I was shocked they didn't review it (or did they and fail to communicate?) but also not shocked because Carl Cheffers is astonishingly horrible at his job and ALWAYS has been.

Review came from upstairs I believe. I don't believe NFL officials aren't required to go into the booth for a lengthy review on those types of plays.

[RavensBaltimore]

To all the people who think the Ravens need to run the ball: look at the tweet above from ESPN stats and info. In weeks 2, 4, and 13, Flacco had more 1st half pass attempts than anyone all year(other than Rodgers in week 7). Weeks 2, 4, and 13 are also 3 of our highest 4 scoring games of the season.

[leziRav]

1 hour ago, Bat-mite said:

For people (like me) who struggle to maintain a grip on the tie-breaking procedures, here is a little breakout of the top six, and where we stand right now.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more teams in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two teams
1. Head-to-head (right now we own this over Pitt., but if they beat us 12/25, this goes away).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division (Ravens own right now, 4-0 to Pitt's 2-1).
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games (right now we're even 5-4 each).
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference (right now we own, 7-2 vs. 5-3).
5. Strength of victory (right now, Pitt owns by 5 pts.).
6. Strength of schedule (right now, Ravens tied for 19, Pitt tied for 23).

 

Of course, these are in hierarchical order, and you only move down to the next one if the current one is a tie.  But our having beaten Pittsburgh once, and being perfect so far in the Division are huge.

So basically we have to win at home against the Eagles and at Bengals for sure, then we can afford to lose one of the game against Pats or Squelers ( if they drop one game). I think we will win Monday against  the Pats and the Pitts will drop one of the game against Bills or Bengals. My prediction for week 14 to 17: Ravens W vs Pats, W vs Eagles, L vs Squelers, W vs Bengals and Pitts L vs Bills, L vs Bengals, W vs Ravens and W vs Brown. Ravens win the division 10-6

[rmcjacket23]

To all the people who think the Ravens need to run the ball: look at the tweet above from ESPN stats and info. In weeks 2, 4, and 13, Flacco had more 1st half pass attempts than anyone all year(other than Rodgers in week 7). Weeks 2, 4, and 13 are also 3 of our highest 4 scoring games of the season.

The reality is that everything is gameplan specific, and can change due to whatever is occurring during that game.

For example... week 2 at the Browns. First 2 possessions we had 3 runs and 5 passes, so pretty balanced. By our 3rd possession, we were down 20-2.

When you're down 18 points, you're going to throw the ball a lot, almost regardless of what time it is in the game.

Just depends on game flow and playing to the strengths/weaknesses of the other team. Against a team like the Jets, I'd expect a much higher pass/run ratio.

[RavensBaltimore]

  20 minutes ago, RavensBaltimore said:

To all the people who think the Ravens need to run the ball: look at the tweet above from ESPN stats and info. In weeks 2, 4, and 13, Flacco had more 1st half pass attempts than anyone all year(other than Rodgers in week 7). Weeks 2, 4, and 13 are also 3 of our highest 4 scoring games of the season.

The reality is that everything is gameplan specific, and can change due to whatever is occurring during that game.

For example... week 2 at the Browns. First 2 possessions we had 3 runs and 5 passes, so pretty balanced. By our 3rd possession, we were down 20-2.

When you're down 18 points, you're going to throw the ball a lot, almost regardless of what time it is in the game.

Just depends on game flow and playing to the strengths/weaknesses of the other team. Against a team like the Jets, I'd expect a much higher pass/run ratio.

That's definitely true. I've tried to explain to people many times that the run/pass balance is influenced by the flow of the game, and people usually just respond by giving me box score stats, so I referenced a general stat for their benefit.

When you look at our blowout wins over the past few years, we have been very pass heavy while building the lead almost every time, but running the ball to milk the clock after we build a big lead skews the stats and creates the ILLUSION that we need to run to win.

[metalraven]

I think Suggs was posing for the new Victoria's Secret catalogue

[huntrgathrr]

I don't care what schemes Belichek comes up with next Monday night we should win this game. NE won't be able to run the ball and will only have one offensive option.....Brady throwing 5-7 yards passes quickly to avoid the pressure from our front seven. This means our LBs have to step it up and take this away. If they can do this then we can shut them out. No Gronk really hurts their chances against this defense. The NE defense is nothing to fear, not nearly as good as the Miami unit we just punished. Up tempo, rolling Flacco out and using 10 different receivers looked unstoppable. The emergence of solid offensive line play, Pitta and Perriman makes this an offense to be feared. Granted the performance against Miami was a first but it should be repeatable. That was the toughest defense we will face the rest of the season.
Plain and simple the Ravens are a more talented team than New England and finally have discovered the formula needed to realize this potential.

[Crusader]

Trent Differ won a Superbowl is he elite?

[OUravensfan]

4 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Trent Differ won a Superbowl is he elite?

I'm sure you've heard the reasons on why this ideological rebuttal is non-applicable here right? I'll get off mobile and type it out if I have to, for starters, 11 > 3

[Crusader]

Some one stated Joe's elite because he won a SB. Joe is Joe That's It.

[Glen1024]

Great game yesterday but lets stop with the elite talk, 15 td's 11 int's is hardly elite and by the way you need to be consistent in order to be considered good and if flacco is anything he is consistently inconsistent. Anyways that all I'm asking from him is to build on this performance and develop some consistency. Won't need 4 td's every week but that decisiveness with his reads and throws must continue. Being a fan of ravens bully ball I want us to run more but if joe is more comfortable slinging it around alot then do that, at 22 million a year we should be able to put the ball in his hands and expect performances like yesterday. Time for him to take full ownership of the offense good and bad, love what I saw yesterday he need to keep it up then the elite talk will be justified. Always has had elite talent physically but mentally he was elite yesterday

[Legendary Ravens]

The reason Joe-Joe Flacco is not Elite because this topic is still under discussion 5 years- 1 Wife, and 3 kids later... if the hardcore Raven fans don't believe it who are we convincing. We Love Flacco and forcing an Elite title on him doesn't change the love... move on to the next subject.. How is Kelly Gregg doing? Anybody heard from Double J?

[OUravensfan]

Joe is streaky, that's for sure, and that game reminded me of his 2012/2014 late year form. If he can sustain this streak I am excited, we'll have a punchers chance.

[bigcatfrank1]

Lets look at this another way shall we, The simple fact that it bothers the rest of every team and fan in the league is good enough reason that our Ravens QB - Joe Flacco is the most Elite QB in the NFL! Lets get to work and get every player on the team to play to an Elite level on Sunday. The key to every game is putting the best team on the field that day, against the other team who is faced to do the same thing. Miami had a bad game, they have played better. So, lets not take anything for granted. We go to New England to face more than couple future Hall of famers. This is the big leagues, Elite is goal not a GOD.

[Crusader]

No interceptions in this next game Joe. Now the Ravens have to play Patriot players, Refs, ball boy, the score board operator, and the headphone technicians.

[CQ1]

Joe,

A friendly reminder: Please do NOT snap out off it until you hear THAT magic word.

Your hypnotist

[ravenken]

When it comes to the O...
Look, we could all see it slowly coming together over the last few games but the communication between Joe and Marty just was not there until this prior week. Whatever was said - improved communication. I am convinced these are two quality minds working on making the O a success... This is going to be a fun FUN run of football... I feel it in my bones...
Look we all know we needed a bit more out of QB and OC... the trick was getting them on the same page (Kubiak & Joe is proof)... we are there now and we are even better than when Kub was is in town because we got even better WR talent. This is about to be some banging football.
As far as running the football goes... yes, we do but what we need is good game planning... good game planning against Miami is NOT running focused game plan. That would have doomed us... I also don't think Joe thinks it is about "Joe'... No, it about being in sync on what competitive is and what it is going to take to get there and what we are capable of doing against their strengths and weaknesses... but it starts with these two connecting... Marty and Joe = Game Planning... I think we got 'game planning' now and the NE game will shine through.
Go Ravens!!!

[Crusader]

Watching the Jets tonight and knowing the Ravens lost to that team and could be deciding game that keeps Ravens out of the playoffs really P.M.O. Remember, a "elite" QB does not throw 2 interceptions in the Jets game like that.

[20306cab]

Elite? HA! Inconsistent? NO! Inconsistent means you perform one way about half the time, and another way about the other half of the time. That means Far Below Average Joe would have to have one good game, one bad game, etc. However, FBAJ has one good game then 10 bad ones, etc. So, we'll have this RIDICULOUS elite discussion about twice a year on this Ravens website. Because he's the Ravens QB. Does anyone else think, anyone of the other 31 NFL fanbases think FBAJ is elite? Of course not. FBAJ's once in a lifetime numbers, he put up Sunday, are pretty routine for an Elite QB. Heck, a guy like McCown shredded the Ravens last year for something like 450 yards. FBAJ has had ZERO 400 yard games in his entire career. Elite? Comical.

[RaRaRavens]

JOE FLACCO = 1st BALLOT HOF, ALL-PRO MVP, G.O.A.T., BEST 4EVR!!1!!!!1111  ->Seems to be the reaction of way too many fans I've seen. Can't even look at those people seriously. 

Edited December 6, 2016 by RaRaRavens
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[RavenzOz]

20 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

if anything im more nervous about new england next week - i always like the idea of going in there as a heavy underdog but this performance was so strong i just want the rest of the nfl to forget about it so we can re-surprise them next week

The rest of the NFL community doesn't even realise the Ravens exist as there are never any articles about them.  If you read the two hamfisted and short articles about the Miami game on nfl.com you'll see how little the "analysts" there care or know about the Ravens. Don't worry, win lose or draw next Monday any article afterwards about the game will be focused on the Pats.  Hopefully the articles will be about how much different the result would have been if Gronk were on the field.

[RavenzOz]

16 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Flacco's one interception was a terrible decision, but he thought he could make the throw. 

I think he was hoping that Wallace hadn't switched-off on the play, which he had.  Hopefully everyone who has Mike's ear got right in it after that play.