[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Miami Dolphins

[Bat-mite]

I think if we beat NE, we win out.

[whobilly]

I think if we beat NE, we win out.

I'm with you. But likely coming down to Christmas Day at 4:30.

[billiejean]

  8 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

We won a couple shoot outs with Brady in 2012, and had our defense been healthy, we probably would have won another shootout in the 2014 playoffs. Brady isn't very good without Gronk,and with our defense healthy, I like our chances in a shootout in NE.

While I dislike Brady more than anyone, saying he isn't that good without Gronk is crazy talk.  He was great before Gronk got there and he didn't miss a beat while Gronk was out due to injury.  Are they better w/Gronk, no doubt. Thinking they're easy to beat w/out Gronk, is fool's gold.  That being said, If anyone can beat them in Foxborougn, it's the Ravens. 

yea... and Martellus Bennett is pretty darn good too

[billiejean]

Good win, impressive BUT I wish someone would get Jernigan to Grow Up and stop the damn self serving antics. Be mature, make the play and get up and get ready to make the next one .... Marshal Yanda is the best in the league at his position, how many times do you see him doing that silly stuff? He pancakes a guy, gets up goes back to the huddle and does it again. Jernigan should take notes and grow up before he costs us a game...

I would love to see Marshall Yanda or any other offensive lineman celebrate a pancake block like a sack. I cant remember seeing an offensive lineman celebrate anything by busting a move, unless they pick up a fumble or catch a pass for a TD.

[objective view]

  1 hour ago, objective view said:

Good win, impressive BUT I wish someone would get Jernigan to Grow Up and stop the damn self serving antics. Be mature, make the play and get up and get ready to make the next one .... Marshal Yanda is the best in the league at his position, how many times do you see him doing that silly stuff? He pancakes a guy, gets up goes back to the huddle and does it again. Jernigan should take notes and grow up before he costs us a game...

I would love to see Marshall Yanda or any other offensive lineman celebrate a pancake block like a sack. I cant remember seeing an offensive lineman celebrate anything by busting a move, unless they pick up a fumble or catch a pass for a TD.

Jernigan carries on like that when he barley touches a QB and he is great for piling on after someone else makes the play, at which time he acts like he and only he made the play. Needs to grow up!

[Bat-mite]

16 minutes ago, objective view said:

Jernigan carries on like that when he barley touches a QB and he is great for piling on after someone else makes the play, at which time he acts like he and only he made the play. Needs to grow up!

So, we criticize Flacco for not showing any emotion, and then we criticize Jernigan for showing too much emotion?  I'd rather see a guy too psyched up than not at all psyched up.

[Raven1995]

This is reminding me of our playoff run in 2011 and even 2012 - although in 2012 we were not playing well at this point in the season. I wanted Pittsburgh to lose today, but not in the cards as the Giants' defense looks pathetic.

Giants offense sucked to. Manning's Interception at the goal line hurt.

[Raven1995]

Sort of. While they only gave up one TD, the D looked rather lethargic with pass coverage. Need to tighten that up!

Bend don't break. If it wasn't for Pitta's fumble, they would of pitched a shutout. They also bailed Flacco out after his interception.

[Raven1995]

We can't count on the Steelers losing. I believe we might have to beat New England, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh to secure the division. Ravens have to win three straight games. Pittsburgh game will define the season.

Also have to beat Cinncinati.

[eze17]

  35 minutes ago, objective view said:

Jernigan carries on like that when he barley touches a QB and he is great for piling on after someone else makes the play, at which time he acts like he and only he made the play. Needs to grow up!

So, we criticize Flacco for not showing any emotion, and then we criticize Jernigan for showing too much emotion?  I'd rather see a guy too psyched up than not at all psyched up.

Ha-Ha-Ha, great response!!!

[Bat-mite]

We are in a "win, you're in" situation.  If we can manage to keep winning, doesn't matter what anybody else does.  It's a good place to be -- if we can take advantage of it.

Never thought I'd be thinking "playoffs" right after we lost four in a row.

[eze17]

Looking forward to the Patriots. Our Patriots meetings go two ways every time we play.
1. Its a competitive game, both defenses and the offenses are neck and neck and executing and it basically comes down to who can score last. Those games usually are 17-21, 14-21, 21-28, 21-27

2. We start out ok but then immediately it gets out of hand. Brady throwing 3 or 4 TDs on us and he just carves up our secondary, picking on that one out the loop corner we have. (shareece Wright will be that of course)

Um, it's been half a dozen years ago, but the first playoff game we played in Foxboro we went up there and whipped the Pats badly (Ray Rice chewed them to pieces as I recall). Just saying.

[eze17]

  9 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

We won a couple shoot outs with Brady in 2012, and had our defense been healthy, we probably would have won another shootout in the 2014 playoffs. Brady isn't very good without Gronk,and with our defense healthy, I like our chances in a shootout in NE.

While I dislike Brady more than anyone, saying he isn't that good without Gronk is crazy talk.  He was great before Gronk got there and he didn't miss a beat while Gronk was out due to injury.  Are they better w/Gronk, no doubt. Thinking they're easy to beat w/out Gronk, is fool's gold.  That being said, If anyone can beat them in Foxborougn, it's the Ravens. 

Yes, nice reply...to be honest, they played pretty well without Brady in the lineup, which shows how well they are coached. But the Ravens usually are one of the best teams that can go toe-to-toe with them, so I'm looking for a great match up on Monday night. Go Ravens!!!

[Crusader]

The most symbolic win in Fox-borrow would be Justine Tucker kicking a long field goal to end the game.

[Bat-mite]

13 minutes ago, Crusader said:

The most symbolic win in Fox-borrow would be Justine Tucker kicking a long field goal to end the game.

Or, Edelman dropping a pass in the endzone to lose. 

[objective view]

  2 hours ago, objective view said:

Jernigan carries on like that when he barley touches a QB and he is great for piling on after someone else makes the play, at which time he acts like he and only he made the play. Needs to grow up!

So, we criticize Flacco for not showing any emotion, and then we criticize Jernigan for showing too much emotion?  I'd rather see a guy too psyched up than not at all psyched up.

One will get you penalized the other no. Joe needs to show fire not put on a show ....

[RavensBaltimore]

  11 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

We won a couple shoot outs with Brady in 2012, and had our defense been healthy, we probably would have won another shootout in the 2014 playoffs. Brady isn't very good without Gronk,and with our defense healthy, I like our chances in a shootout in NE.

While I dislike Brady more than anyone, saying he isn't that good without Gronk is crazy talk.  He was great before Gronk got there and he didn't miss a beat while Gronk was out due to injury.  Are they better w/Gronk, no doubt. Thinking they're easy to beat w/out Gronk, is fool's gold.  That being said, If anyone can beat them in Foxborougn, it's the Ravens. 

You're making stuff up. Brady's numbers dipped dramatically without Gronk last year. The year before, he was flat out horrible until Gronk got healthy. I saw a stat on TV, and since Gronk has been with NE, Brady's comp % without Gronk is 57.5 and his qb rating goes from well over 100 with him to 84.4 without him. Go to ESPN.com and look at his career stats. In the 8 years without Moss or Gronk, Brady's numbers are solid, but nothing special. The last time we played them without Gronk, we held them to 13 points, Brady threw 2 picks and we shut them out in the 2nd half. That was with a mediocre defense.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RavensBaltimore said:

You're making stuff up. Brady's numbers dipped dramatically without Gronk last year. The year before, he was flat out horrible until Gronk got healthy. I saw a stat on TV, and since Gronk has been with NE, Brady's comp % without Gronk is 57.5 and his qb rating goes from well over 100 with him to 84.4 without him. Go to ESPN.com and look at his career stats. In the 8 years without Moss or Gronk, Brady's numbers are solid, but nothing special. The last time we played them without Gronk, we held them to 13 points, Brady threw 2 picks and we shut them out in the 2nd half. That was with a mediocre defense.

you're overegging it a little bit - brady was not terrible he is just particularly effective with gronk - now i will agree that gronk is maybe the most valuable non-qb on any team in the nfl because of the difference he makes to that offense with him vs without him but brady is unquestionably the best qb in the history of the sport and was amazing long before gronk turned up in the nfl - so the narrative that brady will fall apart without gronk is wrong but i agree there is a significant fall off

[eze17]

  6 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

  11 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

We won a couple shoot outs with Brady in 2012, and had our defense been healthy, we probably would have won another shootout in the 2014 playoffs. Brady isn't very good without Gronk,and with our defense healthy, I like our chances in a shootout in NE.

While I dislike Brady more than anyone, saying he isn't that good without Gronk is crazy talk.  He was great before Gronk got there and he didn't miss a beat while Gronk was out due to injury.  Are they better w/Gronk, no doubt. Thinking they're easy to beat w/out Gronk, is fool's gold.  That being said, If anyone can beat them in Foxborougn, it's the Ravens. 

You're making stuff up. Brady's numbers dipped dramatically without Gronk last year. The year before, he was flat out horrible until Gronk got healthy. I saw a stat on TV, and since Gronk has been with NE, Brady's comp % without Gronk is 57.5 and his qb rating goes from well over 100 with him to 84.4 without him. Go to ESPN.com and look at his career stats. In the 8 years without Moss or Gronk, Brady's numbers are solid, but nothing special. The last time we played them without Gronk, we held them to 13 points, Brady threw 2 picks and we shut them out in the 2nd half. That was with a mediocre defense.

In eight years without Moss or Gronk, Brady managed to win three super bowls...so what exactly is your point?

[balfan23]

3 hours ago, objective view said:

Jernigan carries on like that when he barley touches a QB and he is great for piling on after someone else makes the play, at which time he acts like he and only he made the play. Needs to grow up!

Yeah - I'm not a huge fan of the hysterics after a good play is made ... but at the same time, I understand guys trying to get the fans and the rest of the team whipped up after a good play. The taunting call in and of itself is an absolute joke and is so freaking arbitrary. I mean, we're down to now flagging words between players. Really? Just stop it, NFL. 

Nonetheless, I understand that, if that's what the league is doing, then players need to toe the line no matter how stupid the rule is. 

Still - I don't want to put too much negative on Timmy. He was one of the top Ravens going into this year that I said needed to live up to his hype. This was supposedly a 1st round talent we got in the 2nd and I had yet to see it. The guy has been a force to be reckoned with this year and I think the fact that he has emerged bears more notice than a relatively weak taunting call. 

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Yeah - I'm not a huge fan of the hysterics after a good play is made ... but at the same time, I understand guys trying to get the fans and the rest of the team whipped up after a good play. The taunting call in and of itself is an absolute joke and is so freaking arbitrary. I mean, we're down to now flagging words between players. Really? Just stop it, NFL. 

Nonetheless, I understand that, if that's what the league is doing, then players need to toe the line no matter how stupid the rule is. 

Still - I don't want to put too much negative on Timmy. He was one of the top Ravens going into this year that I said needed to live up to his hype. This was supposedly a 1st round talent we got in the 2nd and I had yet to see it. The guy has been a force to be reckoned with this year and I think the fact that he has emerged bears more notice than a relatively weak taunting call. 

no to be fair to the officials, and that's difficult because i saw loads of missed or rubbish calls all game (especially that PI on Jimmy), but timmy didnt just have words he started putting his head into the dolphins lineman in a pretty aggressive way - it was a stupid thing to do and deserved the penalty but we know what timmy is and we know that he occasionally gets heady like that - hopefully he reacts to that penalty like he did after the last stupid thing he did earlier in the season and plays out of his skin

i cant wait for the next timmy jernigan sack

[bnyce52]

What a difference a healthy offensive line makes. Joe didn't leave his feet the entire game, and aside from the one pick intended for Wallace, didn't even have to scramble outside the pocket (beyond the play calling). More important than winning this game and boosting our confidence is that we came out of it healthy. We can absolutely beat the Pats with our defense and a healthy line that protects Joe. If he can get the ball out as quick as he did against the Fins, good luck Pats. I'm sure they'll try to establish Blount and do what the Cowboys did to us. The only difference now is that our offense is converting and giving the defense the rest they need in order to not wear down. All three phases feed off each other. That's championship football.

[metalraven]

15 hours ago, PersianRaven said:

I don't know about "Crazy Good". Zeke is crazy good tho

Zeke is awesome. But the dude has holes you can drive a tank through because his o line is the absolute best. No knock on him; but Ajayi had no holes...he created them. And then his YAC is incredible. I think he leads the league in YAC, as well as YPC at 5.2. He's better than Zeke, IMO.

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Zeke is awesome. But the dude has holes you can drive a tank through because his o line is the absolute best. No knock on him; but Ajayi had no holes...he created them. And then his YAC is incredible. I think he leads the league in YAC, as well as YPC at 5.2. He's better than Zeke, IMO.

crazy stat of the week - ajayi had 61 yards in the game, he had 4 yards before contact all game (that's not an average that's his total), he had 57 yards after contact on like 11 carries or something

[Swift 1]

19 hours ago, poescrows said:

Sort of. While they only gave up one TD, the D looked rather lethargic with pass coverage. Need to tighten that up!

I did not notice,but how many offensive TDs did Miami have? LOL

 

 

[Swift 1]

3 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

Also have to beat Cinncinati.

Think either or. If we lose to NE and then win next Three we are in.

 

[stixfix69]

Big difference is when we did get penalties and got into 1 and 20, we converted first downs out of them...Prior games we tried to dink and dunk those yards, but when you have the weapons in Wallace,Perriman, Aiken, Smith, and Pitta you have the ability to get big chunk yards....And Perriman's speed was on display on his 59 yard scamper....With Wallace, and him on the field at the same time, DB's better be wearing their track shoes.....Loved seeing the ball go further than 6 yard completions.....Flacco is at his best in the hurry up offense, when he gets in a rhythm, and has protection he can sling it with the best of them.....JMO....

[ravenken]

Enjoyed the article as always...
Complete game from the players but the offensive game plan and calls were also well done/executed. I heard there was a little friction at the QB/OC mtg and you know what? I think we are on a better page. I respect both of these minds but they needed to connect and I think they just did.
The key to our O's success goes through Joe. The key to Joe success is play calling / planning... Kubiak is proof of that... I think Marty is the RIGHT answer but w/o a doubt they those two needed to get on the same page... you could kind of see it happening gradually over the last couple of games but this was a breakout game for both.
I thinking SB bound baby. SB bound cause our offense just found itself and I trust Marty and Joe here on out.
Go Ravens!!!

[RavensBaltimore]

  2 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  9 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

  13 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

We won a couple shoot outs with Brady in 2012, and had our defense been healthy, we probably would have won another shootout in the 2014 playoffs. Brady isn't very good without Gronk,and with our defense healthy, I like our chances in a shootout in NE.

While I dislike Brady more than anyone, saying he isn't that good without Gronk is crazy talk.  He was great before Gronk got there and he didn't miss a beat while Gronk was out due to injury.  Are they better w/Gronk, no doubt. Thinking they're easy to beat w/out Gronk, is fool's gold.  That being said, If anyone can beat them in Foxborougn, it's the Ravens. 

You're making stuff up. Brady's numbers dipped dramatically without Gronk last year. The year before, he was flat out horrible until Gronk got healthy. I saw a stat on TV, and since Gronk has been with NE, Brady's comp % without Gronk is 57.5 and his qb rating goes from well over 100 with him to 84.4 without him. Go to ESPN.com and look at his career stats. In the 8 years without Moss or Gronk, Brady's numbers are solid, but nothing special. The last time we played them without Gronk, we held them to 13 points, Brady threw 2 picks and we shut them out in the 2nd half. That was with a mediocre defense.

In eight years without Moss or Gronk, Brady managed to win three super bowls...so what exactly is your point?

Brady was a game manager then. The defense shutting down Manning's Colts and Warner's Rams was a bigger factor in those SB wins(they also cheated). Those SBs were also more than a decade ago and not very relevant to Monday's game. If you read the entire post, I think it's pretty easy to see what my point is.

[RavensBaltimore]

  2 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

You're making stuff up. Brady's numbers dipped dramatically without Gronk last year. The year before, he was flat out horrible until Gronk got healthy. I saw a stat on TV, and since Gronk has been with NE, Brady's comp % without Gronk is 57.5 and his qb rating goes from well over 100 with him to 84.4 without him. Go to ESPN.com and look at his career stats. In the 8 years without Moss or Gronk, Brady's numbers are solid, but nothing special. The last time we played them without Gronk, we held them to 13 points, Brady threw 2 picks and we shut them out in the 2nd half. That was with a mediocre defense.

you're overegging it a little bit - brady was not terrible he is just particularly effective with gronk - now i will agree that gronk is maybe the most valuable non-qb on any team in the nfl because of the difference he makes to that offense with him vs without him but brady is unquestionably the best qb in the history of the sport and was amazing long before gronk turned up in the nfl - so the narrative that brady will fall apart without gronk is wrong but i agree there is a significant fall off

I never said that Brady will fall apart without Gronk. I said that he's not very good without Gronk, and I posted facts to support that claim. I don't think Brady is remotely close to the goat. He's never put up great numbers without Moss or Gronk, and he wins on a team that can win without him. 11-5 w/Cassell, 3-1 with 2nd and 3rd stringers this year. If you can take away his easy passes, he doesn't have the talent to beat you. As much as I hate the Steelers, Roethlisberger has made some incredible plays to win games that most QBs can't make. Rodgers does that too, and neither of those teams has a great record without them. The Colts went 2-14 when Manning got hurt. Brady takes advantage of playing on a team that can win with any decent qb. In my opinion, he is the most overrated player in the history of professional sports.