2 defensive turnovers that didn't happen and we're setting pretty at 9-3

[757RavensFan]

A single play can really change your season. 

• Mosely's interception that he fumbled into the endzone.
• Jernigan's fumble recovery that he tried to advance and then fumbled.

Yeah yeah yeah I know other plays went our way to help us win 7 games.  But man just thinking about where we could be if it wasn't for a few plays makes

you realize we're better than our record and we can be a force in January.  

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Idk about jernigans fumble, but if harbaugh didn't take the penalty vs the raiders we almost certainly win that game.

[RavensFanMania]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk about jernigans fumble, but if harbaugh didn't take the penalty vs the raiders we almost certainly win that game.

Totally agree

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Woulda, shoulda, coulda, didnt.....dont forget the squandered 3 points in several games, by not kicking of easy field goals on 4th down, and then losing by those same non points......its all in the past......poop happens, we have to look ahead not behind. 

If we can play the way we played today the rest of the season, we will be fine, good things will happen.

[Doc]

Did Flacco finally put to rest the concerns about his passion for this game we all love?

[flynismo]

Nah man, a coaching decision here, a dropped TD there, those are the real differences between 7 and 9 wins this year. I cannot in good conscience blame a dang thing on the defense this year, other than that embarrassment against Dallas.

[K-Dog]

55 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Woulda, shoulda, coulda, didnt.....dont forget the squandered 3 points in several games, by not kicking of easy field goals on 4th down, and then losing by those same non points......its all in the past......poop happens, we have to look ahead not behind. 

If we can play the way we played today the rest of the season, we will be fine, good things will happen.

The irony is at least one if not both 4th down conversions today were in Tuckers range.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

42 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

The irony is at least one if not both 4th down conversions today were in Tuckers range.

Was going to be my comment. 

No one complains when it works and turns into 7 for us. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

You also have to take into account some injuries to some key players again. This secondary is two completely different monsters when Jimmy Smith is on the field and when he's not.

Stupid penalties extending drives when we're on defense and killing plays when we're on offense.

This team has just been woefully inconsistent this year for a number of reasons. But, changing around the o-line later in the season and changing OC's in mid season was a formula that worked for us winning a superbowl in the past...just saying.

[RavensFan34950]

Not sure we beat the Jets even without Jernigans fumble. That was the worst game I've ever seen Flacco play. But I do agree about C.J. Moselys fumble. We win that one if he scores, and doesn't injure himself.

[rmcjacket23]

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk about jernigans fumble, but if harbaugh didn't take the penalty vs the raiders we almost certainly win that game.

That or if the defense doesn't give up like 25 yards on a 3rd down play and then subsequently jump offsides on a hard count.

[rmcjacket23]

18 hours ago, flynismo said:

Nah man, a coaching decision here, a dropped TD there, those are the real differences between 7 and 9 wins this year. I cannot in good conscience blame a dang thing on the defense this year, other than that embarrassment against Dallas.

I can.

In a vacuum they've been good. Have had numerous instances this year on specific drives or plays where they were downright bad. Being bad on a single drive or a single play can be all the difference between a W and an L.

That applies to all phases of the game.

Edited December 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

9 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You also have to take into account some injuries to some key players again. This secondary is two completely different monsters when Jimmy Smith is on the field and when he's not.

Stupid penalties extending drives when we're on defense and killing plays when we're on offense.

This team has just been woefully inconsistent this year for a number of reasons. But, changing around the o-line later in the season and changing OC's in mid season was a formula that worked for us winning a superbowl in the past...just saying.

1. Oline changed out of necessity and injury, not out of desire. Consistent players in the same positions is the difference with the Oline. 

2. I think we finally put that "changing the OC will change the offense" thing to bed long ago. Not much changed for many weeks between Trestman and Marty. Marty ran the ball a little bit more, and we weren't effective at it.

Difference yesterday was execution, just like it is every week.

[rmcjacket23]

19 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Woulda, shoulda, coulda, didnt.....dont forget the squandered 3 points in several games, by not kicking of easy field goals on 4th down, and then losing by those same non points......its all in the past......poop happens, we have to look ahead not behind. 

If we can play the way we played today the rest of the season, we will be fine, good things will happen.

Actually, this hasn't actually happened this season. That's a myth.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Although another win or two would have us sitting pretty right now, we have to direct our attention to what's in front of us. Good or bad, we control our own destiny. We just have to play like we want it more. If anything, it's sure to be exciting.

[hn68wb4]

It's pretty funny when people say we're a bad team getting lucky, we've been in every single game this season and a couple of those losses were heartbreaking. Against the Raiders Harbaugh should have never accepted that penalty. Against the Redskins one punt return decided the game and Perriman just couldn't toe tap for the win. We were shutting out OBJ until Jimmy went down halfway through the Giants game. Against the Jets we had no Mosley or Suggs and our oline was in shambles. If Jimmy played that Cowboys game it would have been totally different - not saying we would have won but there's a darn good chance we could have. Every single game we're right there, so close yet so far away, but now we're hitting our stride and we're getting healthy at the right time, I'll give up 4 losses in the first half of the season because we're winning when it matters.

Edited December 5, 2016 by hn68wb4

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's pretty funny when people say we're a bad team getting lucky, we've been in every single game this season and a couple of those losses were heartbreaking. Against the Raiders Harbaugh should have never accepted that penalty. Against the Redskins one punt return decided the game. We were shutting out OBJ until Jimmy went down halfway through the Giants game. Against the Jets we had no Mosley or Suggs and our oline was in shambles. If Jimmy played that Cowboys game it would have been totally different - not saying we would have won but there's a darn good chance we could have. Every single game were right there, so close yet so far away, but now we're hitting our stride and we're getting healthy at the right time, I'll give up 4 losses in the first half of the season because we're winning when it matters.

Still a bit confused why fans still think the pivotal point in the Raiders game was Harbaugh accepting a penalty that most coaches would and should also accept...

Very poor hindsight analysis is what I'm seeing...

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Still a bit confused why fans still think the pivotal point in the Raiders game was Harbaugh accepting a penalty that most coaches would and should also accept...

Very poor hindsight analysis is what I'm seeing...

Maybe it has something to do with them converting after accepting that penalty and then going down to score a TD, blame the D all you want but they did their job and forced the 4th down. It's just plain disingenuous to say most coaches would have accepted that, most objectively would not have, defense forced a 4th and 7 and Wright was being abused all game, in a close game you take the 4th and force the FG, period. Was that the sole reason we lost? nope, never said it was.

I'm seeing poor hindsight but there's only one person here committing it, and it ain't me...

[rossihunter2]

30 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Not sure we beat the Jets even without Jernigans fumble. That was the worst game I've ever seen Flacco play. But I do agree about C.J. Moselys fumble. We win that one if he scores, and doesn't injure himself.

yeah it was like flacco and fitz swapped places

[Edgar]

You could play this game all day. Remember the taunting call in Clevland that went our way?

The truth is that if it wasn't for our defense we'd be fortunate to have three wins coming into this week.

Our offense has been wretched. Let's not make an effort to get that revised.

[Edgar]

25 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Although another win or two would have us sitting pretty right now, we have to direct our attention to what's in front of us. Good or bad, we control our own destiny. We just have to play like we want it more. If anything, it's sure to be exciting.

I second this

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Maybe it has something to do with them converting after accepting that penalty and then going down to score a TD, blame the D all you want but they did their job and forced the 4th down. It's just plain disingenuous to say most coaches would have accepted that, most objectively would not have, defense forced a 4th and 7 and Wright was being abused all game, in a close game you take the 4th and force the FG, period. Was that the sole reason we lost? nope, never said it was.

I'm seeing poor hindsight but there's only one person here committing it, and it ain't me...

Not really. They didn't do their job at all. Their job is to prevent the Raiders from scoring, not to just be content with giving up a FG that gives the Raiders a 5 point lead in the 4th quarter. 

Their job is also to prevent a team from converting a 3rd and 17. I like many college teams chances in that regard. We didn't execute.

I don't know about you, but if I went my defense and told them they could have a 3rd and 17 and have the opportunity to knock their opponent out of scoring range entirely (accepting the penalty already puts the FG beyond 50 yards, which is basically a coin flip), I wouldn't be that happy if they said "no we're good, go ahead and take the 3". I personally would be disappointed with that response.

 

Edited December 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[TurkishRaven]

39 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Not sure we beat the Jets even without Jernigans fumble. That was the worst game I've ever seen Flacco play. But I do agree about C.J. Moselys fumble. We win that one if he scores, and doesn't injure himself.

That is  the most hurtful play of the season for me. I was so happy and then.. With that play not only we did not score we also gave them 10+ yards and a first down and CJ injured.

I saw the collapse in everyone's eyes, If I remember correctly they scored a td that possession. 

[rossihunter2]

Just now, TurkishRaven said:

That is  the most hurtful play of the season for me. I was so happy and then.. With that play not only we did not score we also gave them 10+ yards and a first down and CJ injured.

I saw the collapse in everyone's eyes, If I remember correctly they scored a td that possession. 

if i could take one thing away from that play of all the things that went wrong - i would just take away the cj injury because of the impact it had on the next 3 or so games...

[edthehead]

the sad thing is every game that we did not win, could have been won 

we didn't have to play lights out (yesterday) just the offense did nothing,

If we  play consistent and if we do that,

I REALLY think 

we run the table, maybe we miss 1 game 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Oline changed out of necessity and injury, not out of desire. Consistent players in the same positions is the difference with the Oline. 

2. I think we finally put that "changing the OC will change the offense" thing to bed long ago. Not much changed for many weeks between Trestman and Marty. Marty ran the ball a little bit more, and we weren't effective at it.

Difference yesterday was execution, just like it is every week.

1) When Hue Jackson took over the offensive line did not change out of necessity, it changed because they wanted to make a change. This year it is injury related, as Yanda has moved to LG due to shoulder injury. Regardless of that fact, the O-line has changed and instead of seeing Ryan Jensen or John Urschel in at RG we are seeing Ducasse. The bottom line is that later in the season the O-line has changed.

2) Things have changed. Did you ever see the no huddle offense in Trestman's offense? Certainly not as often as you have in the last couple of weeks. And my statement wasn't that the OC changed the offense. It was simply that we changed the O-line around and changed OC's in mid season/late season and we won a superbowl that season. Are any of those statements incorrect?

So yeah, the last time the Ravens changed OC's mid/late season and revamped the o-line late in the season the Ravens won a Super Bowl.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

1) When Hue Jackson took over the offensive line did not change out of necessity, it changed because they wanted to make a change. This year it is injury related, as Yanda has moved to LG due to shoulder injury. Regardless of that fact, the O-line has changed and instead of seeing Ryan Jensen or John Urschel in at RG we are seeing Ducasse. The bottom line is that later in the season the O-line has changed.

2) Things have changed. Did you ever see the no huddle offense in Trestman's offense? Certainly not as often as you have in the last couple of weeks. And my statement wasn't that the OC changed the offense. It was simply that we changed the O-line around and changed OC's in mid season/late season and we won a superbowl that season. Are any of those statements incorrect?

So yeah, the last time the Ravens changed OC's mid/late season and revamped the o-line late in the season the Ravens won a Super Bowl.

Are they incorrect statements? I mean I guess not. Are they relevant statements at all? I'd argue certainly not. If the offensive line changes, it doesn't guarantee that it changes for the good or the bad. We've got about one or maybe two weeks where it looks like it changed for the good, but there's still 4 games to go. If its changed for the bad, then why are we even discussing the change as if its a good thing? 

The last statement is what is known as a "coincidence". Its people trying to theorize that something will happen based a single, completely incomparable and unrelated coincidence that occurred previously. The two events have quite literally nothing to do with each other. I mean I get the nostalgia of thinking that because we did something in the past it automatically means that the exact same outcome will happen if we do it again, but obviously the most likely outcome is that theory comes crashing down to Earth in the near future. 

 

Edited December 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Ravens4Real]

You can sit here and play the what if game all you want, but the flip side could be argued about all the games we have won. Outside of 2-3 wins, we had some stuff go our way. The what if game could be played to us being 2-10 right now.

Simply put, every team in the NFL can sit there and play that game. It's pointless and this kind of stuff happens to every single team.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[ALPHA]

Hindsight is kinda pointless though, if Flacco wasn't having his worst season we would also have a better record.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 12/5/2016 at 5:25 PM, ALPHA said:

Hindsight is kinda pointless though, if Flacco wasn't having his worst season we would also have a better record.

And you can delve further into this.

1) If Flacco wasn't playing behind two rookies on his blind side (Stanley and Lewis) and then wasn't playing with a patchwork quilt of an O-line (Alex Lewis at LT, Urschel at LG, etc.) maybe he'd have done better. I think moving Yanda to LG is a great idea and is paying dividends already. Ducasse can hold his own at RG as a run blocker...and the run game has been getting better as well after that move.

2) Flacco is coming off of a torn up knee and it was clearly affecting his throwing. He also hurt his throwing shoulder.

3) He has essentially two new targets as his main weapons in Wallace and Perriman. Steve Smith Sr, his #1 option has been hurt and is still not quite 100%.

Flacco has never been a 30+TD and low interception guy. He's always been around 20-25TD and around 10-12INT. He's come close to 4,000 yards before and I think at the end of the season his numbers are going to be right around his career average. Right now he's sitting on 14TD and 12INT. He had a 22 INT season in the past, but that was his only season breaking 20, he's always been around 10-12.