Next Up: Ravens AT Patriots, Gillette Stadium, Monday December 12.

[K-Dog]

...and ?

[Tank 92]

13 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

 

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Just keep in mind that Brady's record will be now 8-6 and those stats will look much better. Wish this had been updated.

Edited December 11, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Inqui]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Times caught cheating:

Joe Flacco: 0

Tom Brady: 2

/thread

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

 

1. You might not want to mix and match historical figures vs current season figures in your analysis. Makes your argument weaker, not stronger.

2. Nobody cares about completion percentage or passer rating. Its 2016. Highly antiquated, useless statistics. 

3. Referencing TDs from skill position players is a waste of time. Blount's YPC is the same as its been (even slightly lower) for several years now... he's not a better RB this year than he was every other year. 

Look at his individual performances and tell me what I'm supposed to be impressed by:

Averaged 3.2 YPC against the Cardinals. But he scored, so that makes him good?

Averaged 2.1 YPC against the Browns (yes, the freaking Browns), but again, he scored, so that makes him good?

2.4 YPC against the Bills, but he scored. Does that make him good?

And the wonderful Seattle game... 3.3 YPC on 21 carries. He scores 3 times (twice from the 1 yard line) and I'm supposed to be impressed?

I'm not. 

4. Why does Hogan have a high yards/reception? Because he's playing with Tom Brady genius. What a surprise... a marginal receiver doubles his statistical output when he goes and plays with an all-time great QB.

And while the yards/reception is cute and everything, its kind of meaningless when you're only catching 3-4 passes a game or less. Guys averaging 2.5 receptions a game. He can average 20 yards/catch and that's still not a very impressive output in any given game.

At the end of the day, I'm not the kind of person you need to sell the Patriots being good to. I know they're good. They're better than us right now. Does that mean they will win? Not sure. Its a game New England should win... they appear to be better and am at home.

But you spitting out useless stats to try to prop up your team makes you look weak, not strong.

[Tank 92]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just keep in mind that Brady's record will be now 9-5 and those stats will look much better. Wish this had been updated.

Just keep in mind?  lol. I couldn't care less. Keep in mind brady is a cheater and scum bag. 

Head to head 2 - 2, and should be 4 - 0.  Who do you think has performed better in those games? 

Edited December 11, 2016 by Tank 92

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

If a team gets consistent pressure on Brady he is horrible maybe one of the worst in the league if any one doubts it go watch tape of defenses getting consistent pressure on him. If you don't pressure him consistently he can and has picked apart defenses his whole career. The key on defense is to hit Brady often and hard and the Ravens increase their chances on winning. On offense they have to sustain drives and come away with TD's instead of FG's. A few people have made these points earlier on these boards. GO RAVENS!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, football knowledge said:

It doesn't matter what patriots.com says, we all know its a tough match up for the Patriots but what boggles my mind is how the Patriots are supposed to be "scared and shaking" when they are as successful as they are and 10-2 facing a team thats 7-5 respectfully.. I mean lets be honest.. one week of turning on the switch after facing a Miami team doesn't suddenly make you world beaters despite having the number 1 defense after weeks prior of shaky play.  The only thing you want to hear is how the Patriots should struggle when thats completely ridiculous being they have the best current record in the AFC.  And all Im saying is how on BOTH teams it will be a good game and test for BOTH clubs.  And Im giving you guys props.. but again for you to desire to hear only how you guys will present problems for a team that has a better record, better coach, better quarterback and better past, present and recent resume is utterly insane.. lets enjoy a good contest between TWO good clubs

why are you leaning so heavily on your record? patriots fans of all people should know that records mean nothing when it comes to matchups. your undefeated team lost to a team with single digit wins in the super bowl, come on man. you lost to the ravens TWICE in 2012 despite having, what, 3 more wins that year? you completely ignore the facts of the game and repeatedly shout THE RECORD! THE RECORD! im sure you were spouting all this same nonsense the week leading up to the seattle game too.  

why are you insistent on convincing us that your current better record means you are going to win? are you scared or something? looking for reassurance that your team is as amazing as you think? would it settle your nerves to see ravens fans talking about how we dont stand a chance? sorry, that isnt happening, we know better, because we arent looking at a current record with no context and writing off Ws and Ls prematurely. why even play the game if the current record decides future wins and losses?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Stats are nice and all but this season the Ravens have not beaten the Patriots and the Patriots have not beaten the Ravens so this match-up is 0-0 for 2016!!! The Ravens have sputtered at times and the Patriots have played tough so far but this is the type of game that kind of suits the Ravens to be underdogs and on the road it almost feels like the post season is this Monday night and in some ways it kind of is just because of how close the Steelers are. They are nipping at the Ravens heels and it looks like both wild card slots could go to the AFC west teams this year. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 hour ago, football knowledge said:

 

All we can do is wait and see.

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, AppleCinnamon said:

January Joe showed up early. We good. 

As long as he CONTINUES to show up early, we should be good offensively. 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just keep in mind that Brady's record will be now 8-6 and those stats will look much better. Wish this had been updated.

So, in other words, it still doesn't match Flacco? Got it, thanks for pointing that out and reminding us.

[flynismo]

11 hours ago, football knowledge said:

 if you play like you have before the Miami game and not your best it will be a long night.. just the way it is... reason why we are 10-2 and the number 1 seed... good luck and enjoy the game! 

Thanks for that riveting analysis. I don't think anyone here realizes that if either team plays at less than their best, they're going to lose this one.

The thing is, if you (finally) find a way to neutralize our QB, we're still capable of walking away with a win. Can the Pats say the same? Can they rely on the run game and defense to carry them when the offense isn't playing as expected? I'm not so sure about that in this matchup.

[RavensFanMania]

6 hours ago, football knowledge said:

It doesn't matter what patriots.com says, we all know its a tough match up for the Patriots but what boggles my mind is how the Patriots are supposed to be "scared and shaking" when they are as successful as they are and 10-2 facing a team thats 7-5 respectfully.. I mean lets be honest.. one week of turning on the switch after facing a Miami team doesn't suddenly make you world beaters despite having the number 1 defense after weeks prior of shaky play.  The only thing you want to hear is how the Patriots should struggle when thats completely ridiculous being they have the best current record in the AFC.  And all Im saying is how on BOTH teams it will be a good game and test for BOTH clubs.  And Im giving you guys props.. but again for you to desire to hear only how you guys will present problems for a team that has a better record, better coach, better quarterback and better past, present and recent resume is utterly insane.. lets enjoy a good contest between TWO good clubs

No one said Pats are shaking.  Don't put out words in our mouth.

Edited December 11, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, Inqui said:

Times caught cheating:

Joe Flacco: 0

Tom Brady: 2

/thread

Smashed cell phones:

Joe Flacco 0

Tom Brady 1

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

Thanks for that riveting analysis. I don't think anyone here realizes that if either team plays at less than their best, they're going to lose this one.

The thing is, if you (finally) find a way to neutralize our QB, we're still capable of walking away with a win. Can the Pats say the same? Can they rely on the run game and defense to carry them when the offense isn't playing as expected? I'm not so sure about that in this matchup.

I literally laughed out loud from this. I mean how do you respond to that?? LMAO!!!!!

[BigMike]

Pack the good Joe and it's over...

#JustShowUpAndItsHuge

[terrynjulia03]

7 hours ago, football knowledge said:

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

For someone with the name "football knowledge" you're not showing much. None of those players are lined up against each other. Maybe you'd like to discuss individual match ups? Like leg humping Hogan, has he ever matched up against someone of Jimmy Smiths caliber? Or Mitchell against Young? How about Blount, who's a one trick pony himself facing the #1 rushing D in the league, the same one who held Bell, Elliott, and Ajayi all under 100 yards, actually none even hit 70. And Blount can't hold any of those 3s jock. You're second sting Lewis and catching passes out of the backfield going up against Mosley, Orr and Weddle? Really you think THAT is a good matchup? Oh Bennett of course. The TE who's 2. 3, and 1 passes the past 3 games, against the Rams, Jets and Niners. Yeah. Powerhouse defenses there, Funny you bring up Edelman. You might wanna check his stat line against the Ravens. It's beyond pathetic. Gain a little more "knowledge" before you start talking about squads. 

[codizzle]

Need a lot more than just January joe to win this.. patriots are a great team and it will be tough to walk in there and get a W 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

Smashed cell phones:

Joe Flacco 0

Tom Brady 1

 

Super Bowls won fairly

Joe Flacco 1

Tom Brady  0

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

For someone with the name "football knowledge" you're not showing much. None of those players are lined up against each other. Maybe you'd like to discuss individual match ups? Like leg humping Hogan, has he ever matched up against someone of Jimmy Smiths caliber? Or Mitchell against Young? How about Blount, who's a one trick pony himself facing the #1 rushing D in the league, the same one who held Bell, Elliott, and Ajayi all under 100 yards, actually none even hit 70. And Blount can't hold any of those 3s jock. You're second sting Lewis and catching passes out of the backfield going up against Mosley, Orr and Weddle? Really you think THAT is a good matchup? Oh Bennett of course. The TE who's 2. 3, and 1 passes the past 3 games, against the Rams, Jets and Niners. Yeah. Powerhouse defenses there, Funny you bring up Edelman. You might wanna check his stat line against the Ravens. It's beyond pathetic. Gain a little more "knowledge" before you start talking about squads. 

this guy needs to just add a "lack of" to his name.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, codizzle said:

Need a lot more than just January joe to win this.. patriots are a great team and it will be tough to walk in there and get a W 

Yeah, no question. It's tough to win anywhere on the road in the NFL and this squad is coached well and will be prepared. But the Ravens historically have played well there so there's that. And it seems they are as healthy as they have been all year, pats, not so much. But yes, it will take a complete team effort to get the W. 

[football knowledge]

I would continue to talk football but the simple fact that you guys are arguing Joe Flacco over Tom Brady gives me validation that your fanerism overrides your competence of football.  Not a personal shot, but more of an opinion and observation.  

Tom Brady 22 Post season wins most ever by a QB, 3 Superbowl MVPs most ever by a QB tied with Joe Montana, 2 League MVPs the only other QB along with Joe to have multiple League and Superbowl MVPs, 4 Time NFL TD passing leader, 2 Time NFL passing yardage leader, Career passer rating of 97 all time 4th all time, 4th all time passing yardage only behind Peyton, Favre and Brees, 201 wins passed Peyton for most wins ever by a QB, on the verge of his 8th straight division title which would be the first QB to do so, holds the record for largest margin of victory ever since the AFL merger beating Titans 59-0, Only QB to go 16-0 during the regular season, best season ever recorded by a QB in 2007, Superbowl passer rating record, Most Superbowl Appearances by a QB tied with Elway with 6, 6 AFC Conference Championships, 11 Pro bowls, 4th highest passer rating ever recorded in a season, highest passer rating ever recorded in a single game 158, tied with Peyton Manning for the most ever AFC players of the week, broke all of Peytons passing records in 2007, fastest player ever to get to 100 wins breaking Joe Montana's record, top 5 all time in touchdown passes, top 5 all time in comebacks and game winning drives, 2016 passer rating of 113, 19 TDs to just 1 pick, 68 completion percentage, 8.2 yards per completion, only sacked 10 times, League MVP Candidate 3 years in a row, averages only 4 losses a year, post season 14 seasons,.... I can keep going but my fingers are tired...

 

[football knowledge]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

this guy needs to just add a "lack of" to his name.

Belichick is not about statlines, he is about wins... who won the last 2 contests between the two teams?? ?

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

I would continue to talk football but the simple fact that you guys are arguing Joe Flacco over Tom Brady gives me validation that your fanerism overrides your competence of football.  Not a personal shot, but more of an opinion and observation.  

Tom Brady 22 Post season wins most ever by a QB, 3 Superbowl MVPs most ever by a QB tied with Joe Montana, 2 League MVPs the only other QB along with Joe to have multiple League and Superbowl MVPs, 4 Time NFL TD passing leader, 2 Time NFL passing yardage leader, Career passer rating of 97 all time 4th all time, 4th all time passing yardage only behind Peyton, Favre and Brees, 201 wins passed Peyton for most wins ever by a QB, on the verge of his 8th straight division title which would be the first QB to do so, holds the record for largest margin of victory ever since the AFL merger beating Titans 59-0, Only QB to go 16-0 during the regular season, best season ever recorded by a QB in 2007, Superbowl passer rating record, Most Superbowl Appearances by a QB tied with Elway with 6, 6 AFC Conference Championships, 11 Pro bowls, 4th highest passer rating ever recorded in a season, highest passer rating ever recorded in a single game 158, tied with Peyton Manning for the most ever AFC players of the week, broke all of Peytons passing records in 2007, fastest player ever to get to 100 wins breaking Joe Montana's record, top 5 all time in touchdown passes, top 5 all time in comebacks and game winning drives, 2016 passer rating of 113, 19 TDs to just 1 pick, 68 completion percentage, 8.2 yards per completion, only sacked 10 times, League MVP Candidate 3 years in a row, averages only 4 losses a year, post season 14 seasons,.... I can keep going but my fingers are tired...

 

Wow passer rating, Pro Bowls and completion percentage all in the same analysis?

You don't know what you don't know...

[OUravensfan]

So Brady does have weapons?!

[football knowledge]

38 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

So Brady does have weapons?!

Plenty and thats a plus 

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

Plenty and thats a plus 

oh i assumed having weapons was a bad thing

[Rav'n Maniac]

I'm in absolute awe. I'd bet the legendary Brady doesn't even have to where a cup in his jock. He's never been too concerned with deflated balls in the past. 

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, football knowledge said:

I would continue to talk football but the simple fact that you guys are arguing Joe Flacco over Tom Brady gives me validation that your fanerism overrides your competence of football.  Not a personal shot, but more of an opinion and observation.  

Tom Brady 22 Post season wins most ever by a QB, 3 Superbowl MVPs most ever by a QB tied with Joe Montana, 2 League MVPs the only other QB along with Joe to have multiple League and Superbowl MVPs, 4 Time NFL TD passing leader, 2 Time NFL passing yardage leader, Career passer rating of 97 all time 4th all time, 4th all time passing yardage only behind Peyton, Favre and Brees, 201 wins passed Peyton for most wins ever by a QB, on the verge of his 8th straight division title which would be the first QB to do so, holds the record for largest margin of victory ever since the AFL merger beating Titans 59-0, Only QB to go 16-0 during the regular season, best season ever recorded by a QB in 2007, Superbowl passer rating record, Most Superbowl Appearances by a QB tied with Elway with 6, 6 AFC Conference Championships, 11 Pro bowls, 4th highest passer rating ever recorded in a season, highest passer rating ever recorded in a single game 158, tied with Peyton Manning for the most ever AFC players of the week, broke all of Peytons passing records in 2007, fastest player ever to get to 100 wins breaking Joe Montana's record, top 5 all time in touchdown passes, top 5 all time in comebacks and game winning drives, 2016 passer rating of 113, 19 TDs to just 1 pick, 68 completion percentage, 8.2 yards per completion, only sacked 10 times, League MVP Candidate 3 years in a row, averages only 4 losses a year, post season 14 seasons,.... I can keep going but my fingers are tired...

 

There isn't anyone saying that he isn't a great qb, we do understand this.

By the way I'd like to point out it isn't the Tom Brady Patriots and there isn't an i in team.