Next Up: Ravens AT Patriots, Gillette Stadium, Monday December 12.

[terrynjulia03]

Lol. Sorry. 

Watched a few of their games this year and they're relying heavily on their run game. Add in their usual rubs and swings to get guys the ball in space and uncontested, something we've been screaming about wondering why we don't do the same, however that plays right into our hands. It's gonna be cold and snowy. If we can have a effective run game along with attacking them down the seams like we did Miami than this shouldn't be much of a struggle. We'll see. 

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, football knowledge said:

Malcolm Mitchell and Chris Hogan are very good playmakers and are quickly on the rise for us.. as we have a type of offense that doesn't focus on receiver numbers like other offenses do.. ours is about match ups and opportunities and our receiving corps his highly intelligent, buys into the system, and masterful route runners with strong hands in traffic and fantastic chemistry with Tom Brady... but again outside of Gronk we dont really advertise our weapons... Dion Lewis is getting healthy and starting to look like he did last season.. and James White.. both guys are excellent receivers out of the backfield that we feel can beat most if not all linebackers... and Bennett, he has been underachieving yes, but he has a switch and when it goes off he is as good as anyone in the league at the TE position, we just need it to go off... so the threat is still there.. not to mention Edelman one of the leagues best in the slot and Blount who is having a career season.. and last but not least Tom Brady, physically in better shape than what he has ever been in.. .. dont get me wrong I respect you guys and this is fun football debate between sports fans (doesn't have to be serious, its pure fun we all love the game) but please recognize that we have plenty of weapons still with the two best ever calling the shots.... I assure you as great as your defense is.. I know it, and you know it if you play like you have before the Miami game and not your best it will be a long night.. just the way it is... reason why we are 10-2 and the number 1 seed... good luck and enjoy the game! 

seems patriots.com sees the matchup a bit differently than you.

http://www.patriots.com/news/2016/12/08/scouting-matchup-inconsistent-ravens-present-problems

[football knowledge]

42 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

seems patriots.com sees the matchup a bit differently than you.

http://www.patriots.com/news/2016/12/08/scouting-matchup-inconsistent-ravens-present-problems

It doesn't matter what patriots.com says, we all know its a tough match up for the Patriots but what boggles my mind is how the Patriots are supposed to be "scared and shaking" when they are as successful as they are and 10-2 facing a team thats 7-5 respectfully.. I mean lets be honest.. one week of turning on the switch after facing a Miami team doesn't suddenly make you world beaters despite having the number 1 defense after weeks prior of shaky play.  The only thing you want to hear is how the Patriots should struggle when thats completely ridiculous being they have the best current record in the AFC.  And all Im saying is how on BOTH teams it will be a good game and test for BOTH clubs.  And Im giving you guys props.. but again for you to desire to hear only how you guys will present problems for a team that has a better record, better coach, better quarterback and better past, present and recent resume is utterly insane.. lets enjoy a good contest between TWO good clubs

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

It doesn't matter what patriots.com says, we all know its a tough match up for the Patriots but what boggles my mind is how the Patriots are supposed to be "scared and shaking" when they are as successful as they are and 10-2 facing a team thats 7-5 respectfully.. I mean lets be honest.. one week of turning on the switch after facing a Miami team doesn't suddenly make you world beaters despite having the number 1 defense after weeks prior of shaky play.  The only thing you want to hear is how the Patriots should struggle when thats completely ridiculous being they have the best current record in the AFC.  And all Im saying is how on BOTH teams it will be a good game and test for BOTH clubs.  And Im giving you guys props.. but again for you to desire to hear only how you guys will present problems for a team that has a better record, better coach, better quarterback and better past, present and recent resume is utterly insane.. lets enjoy a good contest between TWO good clubs

I think you are dead wrong.  What that article implies, which I believe as well, is that no matter what the records are to this point the Ravens are the better squad coming into this game. They are as healthy as they have been all year and some of their rookies are beginning to contribute and pay dividends.  

The Ravens have never had any issue with performing well in Foxborough(in fact they seem to thrive there) so if the game goes as it should the Ravens will win.

GO RAVENS! 

[football knowledge]

27 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I think you are dead wrong.  What that article implies, which I believe as well, is that no matter what the records are to this point the Ravens are the better squad coming into this game. They are as healthy as they have been all year and some of their rookies are beginning to contribute and pay dividends.  

The Ravens have never had any issue with performing well in Foxborough(in fact they seem to thrive there) so if the game goes as it should the Ravens will win.

GO RAVENS! 

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

[K-Dog]

LOL.

[football knowledge]

Its true tho lol 

[hen826957]

12 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

Honestly who cares who's better, who cares about the record at this moment. The Ravens are healthy and very dangerous and have a chance to win here. They play the Patriots tough and Joe is getting hot at this time of year. If we getting into the playoffs watch out. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Looks like someone doesn't understand that defense have to respect Wallace's speed given that Flacco has an absolute cannon for an arm? He can literally take any play to the house? They have to keep the safety back to prevent a deep TD? 

 

Sorry. Edelman is a good slot WR, but Steve is a better receiver still, and Hogan is a nobody being made by Belichick's system, whereas Bennett has been horrible this year.  Blount, Brady, and the oline, I'll give you that, but we matchup better than you think

[jimmypowder]

Amendola out....sweet. 

[hawkprey]

23 minutes ago, football knowledge said:

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

You're right, Brady is very spoiled by his weapons/O-line even without Gronk. Ravens don't have great talent but Flacco gets it done anyway, that's why it'll be a close game.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I also love how he says over Flacco by a mile when Flacco and Eli are the only two Qbs that historically give the pats any trouble. 

[HoldingCall]

What I hear and read in the media and on the board is a lot of hype (good for the game). Although either team can win, some fail to consider that last week's match with Miami was against the 25th ranked defense. New England at 9th, will be the highest ranking defense the Ravens face this season. The 18th ranked Dallas defense caused problems, as did the 15th ranked Jets, the 17th Giants, and the 21st ranked Bengals (though partly due to the inability of the offense to score or keep the opposing offense off the field for long).

This Monday is truly a test for this offense (and defense). Did the offense really come alive or just benefit from playing a low ranking defense? We all have to wait and see.  

What about the defense, how will they fair against the 5th ranked offense of New England? The Dallas 4th ranked offense overcame in the end when the Ravens offense sputtered and the defense could not get off the field. Special teams can surely help  the balance. Question is will it be the Raven's or New England's that help the most. 

[Ravens419]

5 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

What I hear and read in the media and on the board is a lot of hype (good for the game). Although either team can win, some fail to consider that last week's match with Miami was against the 25th ranked defense. New England at 9th, will be the highest ranking defense the Ravens face this season. The 18th ranked Dallas defense caused problems, as did the 15th ranked Jets, the 17th Giants, and the 21st ranked Bengals (though partly due to the inability of the offense to score or keep the opposing offense off the field for long).

This Monday is truly a test for this offense (and defense). Did the offense really come alive or just benefit from playing a low ranking defense? We all have to wait and see.  

What about the defense, how will they fair against the 5th ranked offense of New England? The Dallas 4th ranked offense overcame in the end when the Ravens offense sputtered and the defense could not get off the field. Special teams can surely help  the balance. Question is will it be the Raven's or New England's that help the most. 

I understand they were 25th on D but 9th in passing D and NE 12th not a huge jump but majority of those yards on offense were Joes 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, football knowledge said:

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

lol.....oh yeah, much better.  Rattle Old Miss Gisselle with some pressure up the middle and he's done.  Joe(Mr. Flacco to you,  lol) is gaining confidence in his knee with each game and is on the upswing. Broke down Bennet  has nothing over Pitta. Old man Blount will need to smoke one after facing our D line and backers. And I wouldn't blow off the tandem of West and  Dixon, they are ready to explode with a big game. Smitty, Wallace, Perriman, Aiken are just as good if not better as any four the patsies can field. Our O line has been banged up but has improved greatly lately.  Tucker........  lol.   Defense?  No contest.

So just like the patsy website says, yes the Ravens do have the advantage coming into this game. And if it goes as it should(including no cheating!) the Good Guys should come home with the win. 

GO RAVENS!!!!

Edited December 10, 2016 by Tank 92

[VermontRaven]

3 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Lol. Sorry. 

Watched a few of their games this year and they're relying heavily on their run game. Add in their usual rubs and swings to get guys the ball in space and uncontested, something we've been screaming about wondering why we don't do the same, however that plays right into our hands. It's gonna be cold and snowy. If we can have a effective run game along with attacking them down the seams like we did Miami than this shouldn't be much of a struggle. We'll see. 

Also known as illegal pick plays or offensive pass interference...well at least for the other 31 teams in the league

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, football knowledge said:

A better squad?? Are you serious ?

Bill Belichick over Harbaugh by a mile 

Tom Brady over Fluko by a mile

Martellus Bennett over Dennis Pitta

Blount over any back you have

Chris Hogan over Mike on trick pony Wallace (almost 1,000 yards because he is the only receiver you guys have, Aiken is aight we dropped him) 

Malcolm Mitchell rising star

Dion Lewis in the passing game over any back you have

James White in the passing game over any back you have

Julian Edelman over any receiver you have, especially the slot

Our offensive line, Mason, Solder. Thuney, Andrews and Cannon blast.

Defensively I'll give you that.. but the stat sheet has us I believe at #2 in pts allowed..

Lay off the sauce 

Even if I were to accept all this as true (which some points I don't but won't get in to) the problem with your logic is that the two offenses don't face each other. 

What point is there in comparing WR vs WR??

Thats why the article went through the actual matchups. 

If NE receivers are better who cares?? If yours can't get open vs our secondary but our WRs are getting open vs yours... do you get consolation points for having more talented receivers?

Our DL is better than your OL. 

Our run D is better than Blount. So if our RBs can get it going vs your D who cares if "Blount is better"?? Games aren't won with Madden Ratings.

 

It all comes down to which match ups you can win. And quite frankly the matchups are close. Our offense, no isn't as good consistently. But they're facing a much weaker D than your offense will be facing. 

I wont go as far as to say we're clear favorites or definitely a better team... but year records mean nothing. This game is about match ups and we match up, imo, better than anyone you've faced thus far. 

If everyone shows up from both teams it will be close. But if our offense plays to its potential I think we can pull out a close win. Sure it's an "if" but our D also has the potential to completely shut things down. Doubtful with Brady but certainly possible. 

Edited December 10, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[RavensPunkXVX]

I think a healthy, consistent o line is gonna be the difference maker down the stretch, and we'll find out if there's some truth in that in this game. If there's any consistency with Joe it's that he does exceptionally well when he has time in the pocket. 

The defense is gonna do what number one defenses do and the special teams, more specificially Justin Tucker is going to do his thing. I can't wait for this game! 

At the end of the day, stats are stats, these fellas gotta suit up and execute!

[HoldingCall]

11 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

I understand they were 25th on D but 9th in passing D and NE 12th not a huge jump but majority of those yards on offense were Joes 

Yeah, I understand that a lot of the yardage belonged to Joe. But that was just one game of 12. Question remains can Joe duplicate or even come close beyond that one game. Lets hope so!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

Yeah, I understand that a lot of the yardage belonged to Joe. But that was just one game of 12. Question remains can Joe duplicate or even come close beyond that one game. Lets hope so!

Keep in mind in the last 5 games he's consistently improved. 

4-1 record overall. 

70% completion (while throwing a ton)

2-1 TD/INT ratio

~100 QB rating

 

since the OL has had consistency so has Joe. 

Were 7-1 when Stanley plays. I've said all year he's more important than Yanda right now bc the drop off is just so great from him to Hurst... and Joe's biggest weakness in the pocket, imo, is sometimes not sensing blind side pressure. 

 

Anyways, it's been a consistently improving offense under Marty and the OL was the only thing holding it back. We're somewhat healthy and have continuity now. I think MIA was just the logical progression we had been seeing since the Steelers game. 

We were firing early in all games (including Dallas) but weren't putting teams away (Pitt, Cinci, Dal). Joe pushed for staying aggressive and we saw the result against Miami. 

Edited December 10, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Defense: just "HIT BRADY" and keep hitting Brady that's how you win the Patriots.

Offense: don't turn the ball over and keep the drives going.

The whole Ravens team: don't commit stupid penalties....

[HoldingCall]

3 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Defense: just "HIT BRADY" and keep hitting Brady that's how you win the Patriots.

Offense: don't turn the ball over and keep the drives going.

The whole Ravens team: don't commit stupid penalties....

This, I agree with! But have to add, the Ravens need to keep scoring TDs and not go back to just or mostly field goals.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, HoldingCall said:

This, I agree with! But have to add, the Ravens need to keep scoring TDs and not go back to just or mostly field goals.

Agreed there. 

I think 24-27 pts wins this game. And while that could come by 8-9 FGs.... it isn't likely that you're getting points on every single drive. 

So, yes we're gonna need prob 3 TDs to grab this one. 

[PurpleCity5]

51 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

What I hear and read in the media and on the board is a lot of hype (good for the game). Although either team can win, some fail to consider that last week's match with Miami was against the 25th ranked defense. New England at 9th, will be the highest ranking defense the Ravens face this season. The 18th ranked Dallas defense caused problems, as did the 15th ranked Jets, the 17th Giants, and the 21st ranked Bengals (though partly due to the inability of the offense to score or keep the opposing offense off the field for long).

This Monday is truly a test for this offense (and defense). Did the offense really come alive or just benefit from playing a low ranking defense? We all have to wait and see.  

What about the defense, how will they fair against the 5th ranked offense of New England? The Dallas 4th ranked offense overcame in the end when the Ravens offense sputtered and the defense could not get off the field. Special teams can surely help  the balance. Question is will it be the Raven's or New England's that help the most. 

New England boasts a good defense but they're certainly vulnerable. What makes them what they are is a HC in Bill Belichek but keep in mind, they had better talent in 2014 and we tore that defense to shreds and we have better personnel now on the offensive end then we did at that time. 

On offense, I think the Miami game is something to build on. I don't think we've seen what this offense is truly capable off. It's never too late to turn on the jets and now could be the time given that we play better around this team of the year than most teams. 

New England's offense is a tough test for our defense, we'll see how that one goes because it's certainly a tough test, not much to say there. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 hour ago, HoldingCall said:

This, I agree with! But have to add, the Ravens need to keep scoring TDs and not go back to just or mostly field goals.

Very true.

57 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Agreed there. 

I think 24-27 pts wins this game. And while that could come by 8-9 FGs.... it isn't likely that you're getting points on every single drive. 

So, yes we're gonna need prob 3 TDs to grab this one. 

Also a good point and true.

[kjbmore]

Watching the Seahawks Patsies game.

New England defense does not concern me - Seattle put up 19 in the first half of that game.

Wilson makes a few plays that Joe probably can't but as long as we give him time back there - he should be able to have a similar performance to last week.

A few of the Patriots scoring plays came from the run - hopefully we don't have that problem and can slow down the run - forcing them to be one dimensional - leading to the biggest X factor in this game for me - our secondary.

If we can slow the run, we've slowed better runners than Blount - Elliott, Ajayi, Bell, make Brady beat us - without guys like Gronk and Amendola - I'm not only looking for our secondary to have a solid day - I'm looking for multiple interceptions.

If our coverage is tight and we can force Brady to have to hold on to the ball - thinking we see our guys get after him as well.

Stop the run, slow the quick, short passing game = time to put a licking on Brady = interceptions.

Thinking with a healthy secondary this is the game where our defense truly shows its quality 

Im looking not just for the win but a truly dominant defensive display, multiple interceptions and lots of hits and sacks of Brady 

[edthehead]

29 - 17 

RAVENS win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AppleCinnamon]

January Joe showed up early. We good. 

[flynismo]

15 minutes ago, AppleCinnamon said:

January Joe showed up early. We good. 

December - February has always been a great time to be a fan of this team, even more so during the Flacco era

[football knowledge]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

??????????

Tom Brady - 19 TDs to just 1 int, 201 wins, 68.9 completion percentage, 113 passer rating higest in the league, MVP candidate, and 6-0 at home versus number 1 defenses and this Ravens defense is supposed to be better than those other number 1s with a 7-5 record? Wasn't Cleveland up on you guys at one point? ... and lets compare Blount to Ajayi before someone stepped on his toes as well.. Blount is 2nd in scoring with 13 TDs only behind David Johnson, 957 yards to Ajayi's 908, 4.2 yards per carry with the #6 rushing offense.. Dillon-esque... Additionally to the person who said that Steve Smith is a better receiver than Edelman is slot... STOP IT.. Jules was the real SB MVP vs Seattle in the big game and even missing a few games/injured he still has over 700 yds receiving and 8th in the league in receptions with 72.. and is one of the top 5 rated slot guys in the league and has been for the last few years now... and if Hogan is a nobody then how come he has one of the league's highest yards per reception count.. by the way, let me finish up with Brady averaging 308 yards per game, and #4 in passing 26 pts per game... but I'll stop right here