Will Dennis ever score a TD this season

[Moderator 3]

12 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well Pitta proved us wrong. Great game. 

And hey if they did read this thread and then went out and did what they did today... time to start threads on every player like this. 

More likely read the article on this subject on the front page.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

hmm...

Cant blame you for not thinking he was going to score, it wasn't looking good for a while, but overrated? Not even close

Definitely overrated. People were talking about him as a top 5 TE and being an elite pass catcher.

But for today, he was absolutely insane. This game was unreal from him. I don't think I've seen a better game from him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Definitely overrated. People were talking about him as a top 5 TE and being an elite pass catcher.

But for today, he was absolutely insane. This game was unreal from him. I don't think I've seen a better game from him.

I think even before today he was top 5 for TEs in receptions and yards. 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

hmm...

Cant blame you for not thinking he was going to score, it wasn't looking good for a while, but overrated? Not even close

Yeah, 2011, 2012 Dennis Pitta was top notch and it looked like he and Flacco would be the perfect couple, but the hip derailed that train. It would be an epic tale if Dennis could continue to perform at a high level. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think even before today he was top 5 for TEs in receptions and yards. 

Tied for tenth in yards, tied for ninth in receptions, and seventh for touchdowns in his best season of 2012. Nothing really of note prior to that. 

This year he is tied for sixth in receptions, 16th in yards, and tied for 20th in touchdowns thanks to today's performance.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Tied for tenth in yards, tied for ninth in receptions, and seventh for touchdowns in his best season of 2012. Nothing really of note prior to that. 

This year he is tied for sixth in receptions, 16th in yards, and tied for 20th in touchdowns thanks to today's performance.

Oh they said otherwise on the broadcast. 

[BmoreBird22]

I think 2012 is the year that really overrated his value. Massive garbage time game against Denver to really blow up his stats.

He was a really strong red zone option in the playoffs, though. 

Would have been eager to see if his red zone prowess would have continued in 2013 and beyond if he hadn't gotten injured.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh they said otherwise on the broadcast. 

I would say always fact check the broadcasters just because they are frequently wrong, but even in 2012, he had that huge game against Denver that inflated those stats.

However, that playoff run, he was such an excellent red zone option. He wasn't a great jump ball receiver or someone you just chuck it up to, but damn, he knew how to wiggle open.

I think this performance today was the type of performance people were hoping for after the playoff run. Hell, I would have come to expect it if he had never injured his hip.

Edited December 5, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Tied for tenth in yards, tied for ninth in receptions, and seventh for touchdowns in his best season of 2012. Nothing really of note prior to that. 

This year he is tied for sixth in receptions, 16th in yards, and tied for 20th in touchdowns thanks to today's performance.

With RR in the backfield there was really no need to have a huge, gaudy passing offense. It was a balanced attack and Pitta was more than dependable, performed at a high level when needed. As you know, stats often don't tell the story. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Tank 92 said:

With RR in the backfield there was really no need to have a huge, gaudy passing offense. It was a balanced attack and Pitta was more than dependable, performed at a high level when needed. As you know, stats often don't tell the story. 

I think he's one of the ones that had me wanting so much more because you could see flashes of what he could become. I never felt he was top 5, but I did think he could continue that upward projection into pretty much what Jordan Reed is down there in Washington.

[Tank 92]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I think he's one of the ones that had me wanting so much more because you could see flashes of what he could become. I never felt he was top 5, but I did think he could continue that upward projection into pretty much what Jordan Reed is down there in Washington.

Jordan Reed is a beast. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Jordan Reed is a beast. 

I think that's the type of career arc he was moving to. One more season and I think he could have hit that.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

People have to remember a few things about Pitta.

1) He was actually drafted in the 4th round after the Ravens drafted "the next Shannon Sharpe" in Ed Dickson in the 3rd round. Dickson was supposed to be the star. Dennis was an afterthought.

2) Pitta was never going to be an excellent blocker. He's just a "get in the way" type but he was never gonna drive guys off the ball. That being said, I think he was a better blocker prior to the hip injuries and I can't really fault him for that. That hip is probably weighing a bit on his mind when he tries to grind out a block and is in traffic.

3) He's got the best hands on the team. Seriously. Nobody else has better hands than he does and this is what made him so valuable. He doesn't overwhelm you with speed or strength. He's just got a knack for getting open and catching everything he should consistently and could (at least pre injuries) catch some things he probably shouldn't.

4) Prior to the offense clicking the last couple of games, the Ravens as a whole didn't have a lot of passing TD. Even now they still don't.

5) We have probably more speed and outside weapons than ever before. The scheme has changed.

6) Pitta still leads our team in receptions.

7) Pitta is coming back from two severe leg injuries to the same leg that had most of us doubting (including me leaving him off my 40 man roster prediction due to not being cleared to play) that he'd even play another snap of football again.

8) If Williams was healthy this season, Boyle not gotten suspended, Watson not gotten injured, and Gillmore not gotten hurt, I doubt you would see Pitta getting as many snaps as he already has and probably would have been a goal line/redzone sub in package. For long stretches this season the Ravens have been a two active tight end team.

9) Next season Pitta will count for around $7 million on the cap, but also about $4.5 million in dead cap if he's cut. The season after that (his final one on the contract) he will cost the same amount to the cap, but the dead cap money goes down to around $2.2 million. That's a lot of money to pay for a part time tight end so it will be interesting to see what the Ravens do with their TE situation next year considering they will have the usual suspects in the mix. Pitta, Boyle, Gillmore, Waller and...they still have Ben Watson under contract for next season as well.

[Tank 92]

On 12/3/2016 at 9:32 AM, stampedehero said:

With 5 games left we have to witness a DP  TD.  He is playing great and deserves a few touches in the Red Zone.

I credit you fully for Pitta's performance yesterday.  

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

People have to remember a few things about Pitta.

1) He was actually drafted in the 4th round after the Ravens drafted "the next Shannon Sharpe" in Ed Dickson in the 3rd round. Dickson was supposed to be the star. Dennis was an afterthought.

2) Pitta was never going to be an excellent blocker. He's just a "get in the way" type but he was never gonna drive guys off the ball. That being said, I think he was a better blocker prior to the hip injuries and I can't really fault him for that. That hip is probably weighing a bit on his mind when he tries to grind out a block and is in traffic.

3) He's got the best hands on the team. Seriously. Nobody else has better hands than he does and this is what made him so valuable. He doesn't overwhelm you with speed or strength. He's just got a knack for getting open and catching everything he should consistently and could (at least pre injuries) catch some things he probably shouldn't.

4) Prior to the offense clicking the last couple of games, the Ravens as a whole didn't have a lot of passing TD. Even now they still don't.

5) We have probably more speed and outside weapons than ever before. The scheme has changed.

6) Pitta still leads our team in receptions.

7) Pitta is coming back from two severe leg injuries to the same leg that had most of us doubting (including me leaving him off my 40 man roster prediction due to not being cleared to play) that he'd even play another snap of football again.

8) If Williams was healthy this season, Boyle not gotten suspended, Watson not gotten injured, and Gillmore not gotten hurt, I doubt you would see Pitta getting as many snaps as he already has and probably would have been a goal line/redzone sub in package. For long stretches this season the Ravens have been a two active tight end team.

9) Next season Pitta will count for around $7 million on the cap, but also about $4.5 million in dead cap if he's cut. The season after that (his final one on the contract) he will cost the same amount to the cap, but the dead cap money goes down to around $2.2 million. That's a lot of money to pay for a part time tight end so it will be interesting to see what the Ravens do with their TE situation next year considering they will have the usual suspects in the mix. Pitta, Boyle, Gillmore, Waller and...they still have Ben Watson under contract for next season as well.

He won't be back in 2017 under his present deal. He's owed $5.5M... they aren't going to pay him that. He's only making $1M this year after agreeing to take a massive paycut.

My guess would be that they cut his salary by $2-3M or they release him. The dead money doesn't really matter because its a sunk cost... there's nothing they can do to remove the dead money. All that matters is the cap savings they get from his release. They can free up $3.3M in cap space if they release him prior to June 1st. So the evaluation question is... can we find a comparable TE for $3.3M or less? Answer is probably yes.

I'd expect a $2-3M paycut. Slash his salary to the $2-3M range for next season and reduce his cap hit to the $5M range.

[January J]

17 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Rereading this was fun.

Lol yes it really was. Pitta said here take 2 and shut your pieholes.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

The real question is, will denis ever score ANOTHER TD this season

 

[stampedehero]

18 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The real question is, will denis ever score ANOTHER TD this season

I sure would like to see him excel against the Pats. 

 

[VermontRaven]

18 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The real question is, will denis ever score ANOTHER TD this season

 

Or, will he score a TD on the road this season? ?

[January J]

How about will Chris Moore ever make a catch? Seriously how many has he had all year? 2?

[VermontRaven]

13 minutes ago, January J said:

How about will Chris Moore ever make a catch? Seriously how many has he had all year? 2?

Close.  6 receptions for 41 yards. (and 3 runs for 19 yards) http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/team-statistics.html

[January J]

3 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Close.  6 receptions for 41 yards. (and 3 runs for 19 yards) http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/team-statistics.html

Yeah, atleast he's contributed on ST I suppose. Im not trying to hate on the guy - I just expected so much more.  We need to try to give him a few more attempts down feild. Like I said before I realize he's at the bottom of the pecking order but you have to make the most of your opportunities or you will stay at the bottom. He's got so much speed-  just run some simple deep crossing routes and Chuck it up and let him go get it. Hopefully he's able to actually catch it.

[rmw10]

26 minutes ago, January J said:

Yeah, atleast he's contributed on ST I suppose. Im not trying to hate on the guy - I just expected so much more.  We need to try to give him a few more attempts down feild. Like I said before I realize he's at the bottom of the pecking order but you have to make the most of your opportunities or you will stay at the bottom. He's got so much speed-  just run some simple deep crossing routes and Chuck it up and let him go get it. Hopefully he's able to actually catch it.

I don't think we need to give him more attempts.  He needs to earn them.  I like Moore, but in his short career so far, he's dropped quite a few balls.  I like the potential for the future, but right now in the midst of the playoff hunt, I don't see any reason for his snaps to increase.  Remember, there's only 1 football to go around.

[Rav'n Maniac]

46 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't think we need to give him more attempts.  He needs to earn them.  I like Moore, but in his short career so far, he's dropped quite a few balls.  I like the potential for the future, but right now in the midst of the playoff hunt, I don't see any reason for his snaps to increase.  Remember, there's only 1 football to go around.

I like Moore as well but, I would rather see the team IR Tali and bring Camp up for the last four. It would give us another weapon and he definitely has better hands than Moore at this point. Can't afford drops in these crucial games.

[January J]

47 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't think we need to give him more attempts.  He needs to earn them.  I like Moore, but in his short career so far, he's dropped quite a few balls.  I like the potential for the future, but right now in the midst of the playoff hunt, I don't see any reason for his snaps to increase.  Remember, there's only 1 football to go around.

Very true- however when we got a game already in the bag with 10 minutes left I think we should've let Mallet throw him a deep ball or two..just to help him get his confidence up. Wouldn't have hurt anything.  And its actually better to have him out there than our starters risking injury. I was very surprised to see so many of our key  guys still out there. I mean atleast we took joe out but Suggs and doom along with several starters on offense were still out there giving it their all. I can  appreciate the effort and heart to give it 100% at all times but I think the coaches should've pulled them being in the midst of a battle for the division. Had suggs or SSS went down and we lost them for the year Harbs would've been kicking himself all year long.

[trevorsteadman]

On 12/7/2016 at 8:33 AM, rmw10 said:

I don't think we need to give him more attempts.  He needs to earn them.  I like Moore, but in his short career so far, he's dropped quite a few balls.  I like the potential for the future, but right now in the midst of the playoff hunt, I don't see any reason for his snaps to increase.  Remember, there's only 1 football to go around.

That's the answer. When he drops the few plays that come his way of course the team would rather put other players out there.