Ravens Offense 16/17

[rmcjacket23]

18 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Why is Gillmore different from everyone else. Pitta injured get rid of him Perriman is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Maxx is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Gillmore is hurt and is a good blocker but I don't think is any better than Boyle. Gillmore also is not very athletic so he is obviously not on Maxx's level there but in the little we have seen of Boyle I would take him over Gillmore. I like Gilmore but he isn't going to be the guy going forward next year Maxx should really make a leap but it is ll contingent on if Boyle can walk the line. The best ability is availability and Gillmore misses a bunch of games every year. 

Expectations mostly. Gillmore is a mid-round pick who most people just view as a blocking TE. A lot of fans don't get all worked up when a mid round blocking TE misses time, especially when he's affordable.

Pitta was paid a lot of money to not play and is primarily a pass catcher. Perriman and Maxx are high round picks.

[BmoreBird22]

On 11/29/2016 at 9:43 PM, Halshayeji said:

lastly, id like to see Flacco make better adjustments on the line

What exactly do you mean by this?

[BmoreBird22]

On 12/1/2016 at 8:57 AM, trevorsteadman said:

Boyle is an unproven guy and hasn't shown anything. Gillmore is one of the best if not the best blocking tight end in the league. It is like having another tackle out there. The guy hasn't played because of injuries. There is no possible way you think Boyle is actually better than Gillmore at this point.

You're really overrating his blocking right here. Like, REALLY badly.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You're really overrating his blocking right here. Like, REALLY badly.

Yea for his size he should be better. He's probably an above average blocker for a TE but not in convo for the best. 

[Wildabeast88]

20 hours ago, hereweare said:

Well I'm definitely not one of those guys writing off Perriman or Maxx. It's sad what has happened to Pitta, but he's not the the same and right now his $$ don't make sense. Maxx should be the TE of future, I don't disagree there. But I can't see them ready to turn the TE job over to Maxx/Boyle in 2017. 
 

I know I'm still one of the guys defending Perriman and Maxx it's just a lot of pople logic doesn't make sense they crush those 2 but defend Gillmore and I like Gillmore but I don't think he is as good as some people think he is. I agree Pitta's contract is a little high for the production he has caught a bunch of balls but his yardage is not good. 52 catches leads the team but 439 yards average 8.4 per catch is not going to cut it. 

[Wildabeast88]

18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Expectations mostly. Gillmore is a mid-round pick who most people just view as a blocking TE. A lot of fans don't get all worked up when a mid round blocking TE misses time, especially when he's affordable.

Pitta was paid a lot of money to not play and is primarily a pass catcher. Perriman and Maxx are high round picks.

I get the deal with Pitta he has a Big contract and it hurts when he misses. I just don't think Gillmore is as good as everyone thinks he is a good blocker but not a great receiver and isn't super athletic, I think Boyle is as good a blocker and a better receiver. Also I get the point of a high round pick missing time versus a mid round pick. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

The only issue i see with the offense is the play of the offensive line. If we could even play average and give joe time to plant his feet he will throw bullets every time. If the offensive line could improve on run blocking our ground game would greatly improve. Instead the RB gets met in the backfield on a regular basis. 

[kjbmore]

I don't think we're about to over power anybody with our offensive line and establish the run game by sheer will and force - as much as we pride ourselves on that power trench type game.

Also contributing to so many holding penalties - I think our line has and is just overmatched - starting with Zuttah, Yandas got one good arm, Stanleys a rookie -how many penalties does he have on the year, Ducasse and Wagner have been serviceable but we're not steamrolling anybody.

Everytime we seem to break off a decent run its called back.

Spread teams out, 3 n 4 receiver sets, we've got the personnel, go no huddle, get the quick, short passing game going to Wallace and Smith, pick up the pace, run out of the multiple receiver spread formations.

Rewatching the Pitt game, with our full strength oline 50 rushing yards on 30 attempts.

We come out against Cinci, go no huddle, spread them out, no huge passing plays, just a couple quick sharp strikes to smith, Aiken and a couple passes to Dixon in space - makes guys miss picks up chunks, few nice runs for Dixon, bouncing to the outside space, then we take a shot at the end zone = Perriman TD - no penalties on the drive

Then We come back out with the huddle start trying to power run, go away from spreading cinci out and we just bog down.

think this approach would def help against Miami and their front

 

Edited December 4, 2016 by kjbmore

[BmoreBird22]

On 12/2/2016 at 7:57 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea for his size he should be better. He's probably an above average blocker for a TE but not in convo for the best. 

He's just so weak in his legs so he doesn't actually generate a push.

He's great at holding his man, but he's never going to drive them off the line and he's not reliable in getting to the second level.

[kjbmore]

Well that was a lot better.

Need to stick with uptempo, spread Offense.

Really think our key to success is to establish our short quick passing game first and then work from there.

it would be nice to come out and just pound the rock but it seems pretty obvious our best chance for success is to come out up tempo, spread teams out, establish our rhythm, let Joe get in a rythym and everything else seemed to open up from there.

We clearly are a pass first team, can't really argue with the results we saw today - when was the last time we had nearly 500 yards of Offense - I think this is what everybody envisaged when we looked at all our weapons on paper

 

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

47 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Well that was a lot better.

Need to stick with uptempo, spread Offense.

Really think our key to success is to establish our short quick passing game first and then work from there.

it would be nice to come out and just pound the rock but it seems pretty obvious our best chance for success is to come out up tempo, spread teams out, establish our rhythm, let Joe get in a rythym and everything else seemed to open up from there.

We clearly are a pass first team, can't really argue with the results we saw today - when was the last time we had nearly 500 yards of Offense - I think this is what everybody envisaged when we looked at all our weapons on paper

 

 

 

And the thing is we didn't have to commit to the run to be effective. We still put up over 120 yds rushing on over 6 YPC with limited attempts. 

We did today what Brady and the Pats did for years to supplement the run game... the short, quick hitting screen game. 

Those quick designed dump offs worked like a charm. And it gets our guys to the second level before contact. Dixon in space is a beast. 

And once the passing game was going the run was wide open when we used it. So we don't have to commit to 25-30 carries to establish the run so long as we hit on the screen game and pick up first downs passing. 

Id much rather a highly efficient run game like we had today than to force 25 carries for the sake of balance. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Boyle > Crockett. Better route runner and hands. Hope we continue to get him more involved in the offense. 

[kjbmore]

18 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Boyle > Crockett. Better route runner and hands. Hope we continue to get him more involved in the offense. 

Think Boyles impact is under appreciated.

His blocking is helping with the run game and in pass protection - freeing Pitta up to be the pass catching tight end he is.

The future looks like Maxx & Boyle 

[kjbmore]

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And the thing is we didn't have to commit to the run to be effective. We still put up over 120 yds rushing on over 6 YPC with limited attempts. 

We did today what Brady and the Pats did for years to supplement the run game... the short, quick hitting screen game. 

Those quick designed dump offs worked like a charm. And it gets our guys to the second level before contact. Dixon in space is a beast. 

And once the passing game was going the run was wide open when we used it. So we don't have to commit to 25-30 carries to establish the run so long as we hit on the screen game and pick up first downs passing. 

Id much rather a highly efficient run game like we had today than to force 25 carries for the sake of balance. 

Space and Pace

with our oline we can't force the run but if we space n pace it will be there and it'll be a lot more dynamic and effective 

it's painful watching west fight for a yard or 2 when we try and force it, luckily we overcame those situations today

[Deflated Football]

On 12/1/2016 at 2:28 PM, Deflated Football said:

Waller just needs to be more involved in general. He should be ahead of Pitta on the depth chart. Dennis will always be one of my favorites, but he catches a lot of footballs for nothing (zero TD's this season) and he can't block for squat. Waller is an athletic freak and could be our Jimmy Graham if we used him properly. 

Well, Dennis sure proved me wrong lol. Atta boy. But I still think it's important to feed Waller more and more. 

Edited December 5, 2016 by Deflated Football

[kjbmore]

Can we score enough points to win out.

The Steve smith report is worrying, doesn't sound like things are coming together - quite the opposite

wheres the passion Joe? 

Wonder if they've been putting in extra work to get this thing on track

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

3 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Can we score enough points to win out.

The Steve smith report is worrying, doesn't sound like things are coming together - quite the opposite

wheres the passion Joe? 

Wonder if they've been putting in extra work to get this thing on track

 

At home, in the bedroom. Joe's an elite baby-making QB and he's only three behind Rivers with his sights on the NFL record. 

Edited December 16, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[pitchblack_20]

It seems like the coaching staff is trying to give them too much help instead of just letting everyone play to their strengths and just beat their man. 

[Virginia 55]

Marty is the weakest link on this team.  I'm sorry. He has to go after this year.

It might be time to clean house as far as the coaching staff is concerned.  Harbaugh era is nearing a close.  Not because of the record or the mediocrity year in and year out on offense.  Simply because their are no more excuses that can be realistically justified in the inept play of this offense. The guy has literally hired one coach that seems to know what Flacco can and can't do in (Kubiak). I'm ready for a change.  This team sucks.  We have very good pieces with piss poor leadership. The Next time a Kyle Shanahan comes available.......Take my advice and grab him.  Not only for coordinator but for your head coaching position.  

 

I think John likes to play the pity card to much.  Tired of watching pressers and we discuss fallen Ravens' before discussing the game. The timing doesn't seem appropriate.  Get me a coach that understands that. 

[omar586]

6 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Marty is the weakest link on this team.  I'm sorry. He has to go after this year.

It might be time to clean house as far as the coaching staff is concerned.  Harbaugh era is nearing a close.  Not because of the record or the mediocrity year in and year out on offense.  Simply because their are no more excuses that can be realistically justified in the inept play of this offense. The guy has literally hired one coach that seems to know what Flacco can and can't do in (Kubiak). I'm ready for a change.  This team sucks.  We have very good pieces with piss poor leadership. The Next time a Kyle Shanahan comes available.......Take my advice and grab him.  Not only for coordinator but for your head coaching position.  

 

I think John likes to play the pity card to much.  Tired of watching pressers and we discuss fallen Ravens' before discussing the game. The timing doesn't seem appropriate.  Get me a coach that understands that. 

i agree. we have good players, players that can break out in other teams, i mean come on, we have Wallace, Perriman, SSS, Dixon, TEs. and u tell me u dont have a single coach that can be creative and use talent and speed to move the ball and become a CONSISTENT OFFENSE for once. hate to see wasted effort by our defense. 

[kjbmore]

Not sure why we're taking 50/50 deep shots to Steve Smith or even Mike Wallace.

The only person that has shown the ability to reel these in or break them up if they're not in a position to make the catch is Breshad.

Give that kid a chance to make some plays, he's reeled in some nice catches and when not in position he's physical enough to make sure it's not an interception

i think we're foxing - all season long - wait for the breakout - SB run coming up

Edited December 20, 2016 by kjbmore

[RavensDieHard21]

This year's under performing offense is largely due to our OC's lack of creative play calling and diversity along with Flacco coming off a major injury and regressing in the mental aspect of the game--missing wide open guys, failing to audible, still cannot overcome cover 2, etc.  

Perriman and Wallace should be utilized with more deep shots, especially with PA. We haven't used screens or enough jet sweeps or bunch formations. SSS has gotten his attention, but Flacco has missed him a lot this year. Pitta has not been utilized as a security blanket. More of a sack preventer as Flacco tosses him a 2 yard pass right before he gets hit. Our running game whether it is working or not is consistently abandoned. To run less than 20 times a game is unnecessary and Flacco should not be leading the league in attempts. We lack creative plays to get them open. Rarely see screens and more of them have just been a check downs with LBs draped over them. 

[RavensDieHard21]

For next year we don't need to blow anything up or spend $100 million on Jeffrey etc. The main goal depending on the way the draft shakes out with BPA in place--pass rusher, corner, G--is we should build our offensive line. Give any NFL QB time and he can do work. 

Resign Wagner over Williams, you then have two great pass blockers. Add a mauler at LG or Center early with Lewis competing for the spot and we then have best of both worlds. Recommit to our old mantra and pray we land a legit OC. 

[JonnyBaltimore]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

This year's under performing offense is largely due to our OC's lack of creative play calling and diversity along with Flacco coming off a major injury and regressing in the mental aspect of the game--missing wide open guys, failing to audible, still cannot overcome cover 2, etc.  

Perriman and Wallace should be utilized with more deep shots, especially with PA. We haven't used screens or enough jet sweeps or bunch formations. SSS has gotten his attention, but Flacco has missed him a lot this year. Pitta has not been utilized as a security blanket. More of a sack preventer as Flacco tosses him a 2 yard pass right before he gets hit. Our running game whether it is working or not is consistently abandoned. To run less than 20 times a game is unnecessary and Flacco should not be leading the league in attempts. We lack creative plays to get them open. Rarely see screens and more of them have just been a check downs with LBs draped over them. 

-More WR screens w/ Steve Smith, Mike Wallace.

-Wallace/Perriman on drag route in stride and get some easy YAC. Looks like Perriman has a fifth gear, so need to catch him in stride and see if he can make a play.

- Flacco on a bootleg

-Kyle Jus on a 9 route covered by LB.

-Flea flicker to Perriman

-more double moves on aggressive DBs/LB's

We have a lot playmakers but we are failing to get the ball in their hands and in stride.

[kjbmore]

We should have fired trestman during the break and come in from the get go with a new system

[trevorsteadman]

5 hours ago, kjbmore said:

We should have fired trestman during the break and come in from the get go with a new system

Yeah because you can install a new offensive system in 2 weeks...

[kjbmore]

25 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Yeah because you can install a new offensive system in 2 weeks...

Preseason - fired him after last season I meant

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What Offense? Joe is passing for fantasy numbers, as he drafted himself....thats why he will never commit to a run unless his arm gets tired