Ravens Offense 16/17

[kjbmore]

Thread about the Offense, seems to be the one area holding this team back.

We know what we have in Flacco, there's no guessing or assumptions there - he is good enough for us to win a SB - no ifs, buts or maybes.

What do we need to do, what would you like to see, can it be fixed this year, are we foxing n just playing our cards close to our chest until the death.

Id personally just like to us spread teams out more, open up the field - joes got a rocket arm, we've got speed, let's open this bad boy up.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I would like to see Waller flying down the center of the field as a #1 or #2 read and more of Dixon on the wheel routes.

[kjbmore]

6 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I would like to see Waller flying down the center of the field as a #1 or #2 read and more of Dixon on the wheel routes.

Line up some of speed outside, send them deep or deep crossing and just roll out the wheel into space

pretty sure we had a similar route against cinci, Dixon caught it with a guy in his grill but he had space - made him miss picked up the first down

Our guys just need space to work

[AnthonyGames]

-Flacco playing better will help obviously...he's fully capable and IS getting better as the season goes on.

- I like the combo of Dixon and West, however, I'd like to see some more reps go to Dixon, especially on passing downs where he could be a weapon in the passing game. Using Juszczyk as another option in the passing game wouldn't hurt either.

-Am I crazy, or do we not use Perriman and Wallace on the outside at the same time very often? I feel like Perriamn and Wallace on the outsides with their speed would be awesome, in that it would cause one of them to have single coverage deep, or open space underneath. The chances are one of them can beat their man deep. Using SSS and Aiken in the slot is a lot of short receptions...

-In years past, TE's were Flacco's security blanket. Pitta is doing well, but where is Max Williams?! I think using Pitta and Waller in two TE sets would equate to a lot of receptions, and be a good formation for running.

-Our O-line is solid when healthy outside of the center position.  I think its too late now to start experimenting with a different center. In next years draft, I think upgrading a couple Oline positions is towards the top of the list. Look at what teams are doing this year that have good O-Lines (Dallas, Oakland, Miami) .

[VermontRaven]

16 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Pitta is doing well, but where is Max Williams?!

Maxx is on IR

[Halshayeji]

I'd like to see less throws on first down because incompletions there mean that we almost have to throw on second and third when opponents are waiting for it. If we do throw, there has to be a high  percentage pass every time. We can't continue to put ourselves in these situations.

we can't abandon the run because it got a play or two busted. That's normal. Every running game has busted plays and you have to stick with it until it opens up. Dixon is a gem. Let's use him more.

lastly, id like to see Flacco make better adjustments on the line and take what the D gives you. Give your WRs a chance to catch short passes and run when opponents blitze.

Stop chasing big plays, just execute and big plays will come. And easy on the damn penalties. Some penalties are just part of the game but others are just inexcusable

[trevorsteadman]

15 hours ago, AnthonyGames said:

-Flacco playing better will help obviously...he's fully capable and IS getting better as the season goes on.

- I like the combo of Dixon and West, however, I'd like to see some more reps go to Dixon, especially on passing downs where he could be a weapon in the passing game. Using Juszczyk as another option in the passing game wouldn't hurt either.

-Am I crazy, or do we not use Perriman and Wallace on the outside at the same time very often? I feel like Perriamn and Wallace on the outsides with their speed would be awesome, in that it would cause one of them to have single coverage deep, or open space underneath. The chances are one of them can beat their man deep. Using SSS and Aiken in the slot is a lot of short receptions...

-In years past, TE's were Flacco's security blanket. Pitta is doing well, but where is Max Williams?! I think using Pitta and Waller in two TE sets would equate to a lot of receptions, and be a good formation for running.

-Our O-line is solid when healthy outside of the center position.  I think its too late now to start experimenting with a different center. In next years draft, I think upgrading a couple Oline positions is towards the top of the list. Look at what teams are doing this year that have good O-Lines (Dallas, Oakland, Miami) .

Pitta has been awful. Maxx Williams is on IR. Gillmore has been injured. I think they need to give Waller more shots in the endzone. Boyle just came back.

What all 3 of those teams you just said don't have though is a solid defense. Once they hit the playoffs when teams have both solid defenses and offenses they will struggle. Dallas may be able to overshadow it but I still think they are too young to go far.

[hereweare]

Honestly, I like what Marty's been doing. He's been making Joe's job much easier with bunch formations, rub routes, simpler reads, crossing routes and RB options. Once play action becomes a thing Joe will succeed further. The absence of a real TE is notable this year. 
 

[ALPHA]

Flacco is coasting.

[Wildabeast88]

On November 29, 2016 at 0:09 PM, Rav'n Maniac said:

I would like to see Waller flying down the center of the field as a #1 or #2 read and more of Dixon on the wheel routes.

Yes. I agree use Waller with Wallace and Perriman that would be one serious speed on the field at one time 3 guys who run 4.4 or better and let SSS and Dixon run some underneath stuff and make the D pick its poison. 

[kjbmore]

6 hours ago, hereweare said:

Honestly, I like what Marty's been doing. He's been making Joe's job much easier with bunch formations, rub routes, simpler reads, crossing routes and RB options. Once play action becomes a thing Joe will succeed further. The absence of a real TE is notable this year. 
 

He might be making his job easier but it hasn't really helped putting points on the board.

 

[kjbmore]

14 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Yes. I agree use Waller with Wallace and Perriman that would be one serious speed on the field at one time 3 guys who run 4.4 or better and let SSS and Dixon run some underneath stuff and make the D pick its poison. 

I would even like to see this with Waller, Perriman, Moore & Wallace in the slot.

its not going to kill ssr if we he sits out a couple plays

wallace out of the slot has been dynamic 

 

[kjbmore]

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Pitta has been awful. Maxx Williams is on IR. Gillmore has been injured. I think they need to give Waller more shots in the endzone. Boyle just came back.

What all 3 of those teams you just said don't have though is a solid defense. Once they hit the playoffs when teams have both solid defenses and offenses they will struggle. Dallas may be able to overshadow it but I still think they are too young to go far.

Time to move on from Gilmore next season??

Hasn't showed much this season when he did play and he's struggling to stay fit big chunks of his career now. Maybe we can get a late round pick for him

mive forward with Maxx, Boyle & Waller, 

[Wildabeast88]

27 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Time to move on from Gilmore next season??

Hasn't showed much this season when he did play and he's struggling to stay fit big chunks of his career now. Maybe we can get a late round pick for him

mive forward with Maxx, Boyle & Waller, 

I think if Boyle can keep himself out of trouble that he is all around better than Gillmore

Edited December 1, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[kjbmore]

13 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I think if Boyle can keep himself out of trouble that he is all around better than Gillmore

Haha we're depending on a juicer, a stoner and the other guy can't stay healthy - not having much luck

Might need to trim some dead wood and add to this group again this year

be nice to get some reliable production from the position 

we need to move on from Waller too - he needs to go after that stoopid touchdown celebration he did the other day!!

we miss Owen Daniels, he really helped that year he was in town 

i would like to see us try and integrate our younger guys into things a bit more and just pull back a bit from pitta and Steve - we've had 11 games to see what they can do

would just like to see some plays called for Waller, Perriman and even Moore 

Perriman has made catches and so has Waller

i def think it's worth a shot, this Offense doesn't really look capable of winning any playoff games 

Edited December 1, 2016 by kjbmore

[trevorsteadman]

15 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I think if Boyle can keep himself out of trouble that he is all around better than Gillmore

Boyle is an unproven guy and hasn't shown anything. Gillmore is one of the best if not the best blocking tight end in the league. It is like having another tackle out there. The guy hasn't played because of injuries. There is no possible way you think Boyle is actually better than Gillmore at this point.

Edited December 1, 2016 by trevorsteadman

[PurpleLDN]

51 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Boyle is an unproven guy and hasn't shown anything. Gillmore is one of the best if not the best tight end in the league. It is like having another tackle out there. The guy hasn't played because of injuries. There is no possible way you think Boyle is actually better than Gillmore at this point.

You do mean blocking tight end right?

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, PurpleLDN said:

You do mean blocking tight end right?

Yes lol let me fix that sorry that is what happens when you have 9 hours of sleep in 4 days haha

[ALPHA]

I want to see him take more responsibility instead of sharing the blame around saying "we" and "us", the responsibility is weighted more heavily to him as he runs the offense and gets the big money.

On a positive note he doesnt seem to have the post injury yips anymore, so hopefully hes heating up and start getting SSS and Wallace involved, if Flacco keeps throwing checkdowns theyre going to become very unhappy very quickly.

Edited December 1, 2016 by ALPHA

[gtalk12]

I think we need to go back to the no huddle, pre-superbowl. Flacco and Cam C tried to hurry the game up a bit and it seemed to be working, GRANTED we had a guy in the backfield he REALLY REALLY did things outside the X and O's that allowed certain types of play calls to work.

 

All of the sudden our offense has looked really fun to watch when they allow Flacco to do what HE likes, shotgun and no huddle.

[hereweare]

12 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I want to see him take more responsibility instead of sharing the blame around saying "we" and "us", the responsibility is weighted more heavily to him as he runs the offense and gets the big money.

On a positive note he doesnt seem to have the post injury yips anymore, so hopefully hes heating up and start getting SSS and Wallace involved, if Flacco keeps throwing checkdowns theyre going to become very unhappy very quickly.

Not really sure about this. Flacco typically takes responsibility and has never pushed blamed on anyone else even when it's warranted.. and 1 game of low targets for SSS/Wallace isn't as issue. They both avg. 7 targets/game

[edthehead]

we need up temp with quick passes to get the momentum up

wallace and perriman on the outside and SSS on the inside

base formation (skill set)

and the other 2 exchangeable

RB, dixon 1st and west 

2 TE set go with waller (speed and height) and boyle

     pitta is good but we have some young talented players with max coming back next year

and of course

JUICCCCEEEE,,,,  

 

 

[hereweare]

20 hours ago, kjbmore said:

He might be making his job easier but it hasn't really helped putting points on the board.

 

wellllllllll yes and no. Yes, it hasn't produced more points. BUT the offense has been more productive since the bye and it certainly feels like we're at the point of being capable to produce enough points to win games

19 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Time to move on from Gilmore next season??

Hasn't showed much this season when he did play and he's struggling to stay fit big chunks of his career now. Maybe we can get a late round pick for him

mive forward with Maxx, Boyle & Waller, 

19 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I think if Boyle can keep himself out of trouble that he is all around better than Gillmore

.... there's a reason Gillmore was playing ahead of Maxx and Boyle. The dudes a beast! He's had trouble staying healthy, but his talent out ways his price tag so keeping him around makes sense.

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by hereweare

[VermontRaven]

6 minutes ago, hereweare said:

wellllllllll yes and no. Yes, it hasn't produced more points. BUT the offense has been more productive since the bye and it certainly feels like we're at the point of being capable to produce enough points to win games

.... there's a reason Gillmore was playing ahead of Maxx and Boyle. The dudes a beast! He's had trouble staying healthy, but his talent out ways his price tag so keeping him around makes sense.

 

Agreed.  I know the injuries have been frustrating, but there is almost no risk in keeping him.  He is on a cheap rookie contract and is productive when healthy. 

[Cillmatic]

It's crazy that TE might actually be a need again. With Pitta regressing, Ben being 37 and Gilmore and Maxx being injury prone we might actually need one.

[hereweare]

9 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

It's crazy that TE might actually be a need again. With Pitta regressing, Ben being 37 and Gilmore and Maxx being injury prone we might actually need one.

It really is crazy how it turned out. Can't see them spending money on a TE though knowing Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle will be back in '17. And Ben coming off his Achilles tear. If anything, they'll let Pitta go.

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, hereweare said:

wellllllllll yes and no. Yes, it hasn't produced more points. BUT the offense has been more productive since the bye and it certainly feels like we're at the point of being capable to produce enough points to win games

.... there's a reason Gillmore was playing ahead of Maxx and Boyle. The dudes a beast! He's had trouble staying healthy, but his talent out ways his price tag so keeping him around makes sense.

 

Why is Gillmore different from everyone else. Pitta injured get rid of him Perriman is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Maxx is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Gillmore is hurt and is a good blocker but I don't think is any better than Boyle. Gillmore also is not very athletic so he is obviously not on Maxx's level there but in the little we have seen of Boyle I would take him over Gillmore. I like Gilmore but he isn't going to be the guy going forward next year Maxx should really make a leap but it is ll contingent on if Boyle can walk the line. The best ability is availability and Gillmore misses a bunch of games every year. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Deflated Football]

On 11/29/2016 at 9:09 AM, Rav'n Maniac said:

I would like to see Waller flying down the center of the field as a #1 or #2 read and more of Dixon on the wheel routes.

Waller just needs to be more involved in general. He should be ahead of Pitta on the depth chart. Dennis will always be one of my favorites, but he catches a lot of footballs for nothing (zero TD's this season) and he can't block for squat. Waller is an athletic freak and could be our Jimmy Graham if we used him properly. 

[kjbmore]

3 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Why is Gillmore different from everyone else. Pitta injured get rid of him Perriman is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Maxx is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Gillmore is hurt and is a good blocker but I don't think is any better than Boyle. Gillmore also is not very athletic so he is obviously not on Maxx's level there but in the little we have seen of Boyle I would take him over Gillmore. I like Gilmore but he isn't going to be the guy going forward next year Maxx should really make a leap but it is ll contingent on if Boyle can walk the line. The best ability is availability and Gillmore misses a bunch of games every year. 

pretty much this, we need to just make the tough decisions and just move on from guys that cant stay healthy - we're talking about a middling TE -  just cut the cord and be done with it - how many games has gilmore been active this year - 4??

we need to keep roster spots for people who are going to be available, if the man gets healthy - see if we can trade him for a late round pick

 

 

 

[hereweare]

16 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Why is Gillmore different from everyone else. Pitta injured get rid of him Perriman is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Maxx is hurt he's a bust get rid of him, Gillmore is hurt and is a good blocker but I don't think is any better than Boyle. Gillmore also is not very athletic so he is obviously not on Maxx's level there but in the little we have seen of Boyle I would take him over Gillmore. I like Gilmore but he isn't going to be the guy going forward next year Maxx should really make a leap but it is ll contingent on if Boyle can walk the line. The best ability is availability and Gillmore misses a bunch of games every year. 

Well I'm definitely not one of those guys writing off Perriman or Maxx. It's sad what has happened to Pitta, but he's not the the same and right now his $$ don't make sense. Maxx should be the TE of future, I don't disagree there. But I can't see them ready to turn the TE job over to Maxx/Boyle in 2017.