Ravens rookie of the year

[hereweare]

6 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

In all honesty, I'd lean towards Stanley either way.  He missed 4 games, and Tavon Young is pretty good at his position, but I feel Stanley is better at LT right now than Young is at CB.  I'd be more confident in Stanley facing top 10 d-lineman/OLBs than I would with Young facing top 10 WRs/QBs.  This is not to ignore how well Young has played for a rookie though

Stanley wins on the "valuable" level to me also

Just when @January J convinces me to vote Tavon for ROY you make this very good point... The plot thickens lol
Yea, I think we all agree Stanley for MVROTY. Debate open for ROTY. What a great draft the boys had

Edited December 6, 2016 by hereweare

[ALPHA]

16 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Probabaly because the games he missed we lost and I don't think that's a coincidence. I think you know the importance of the LT position. The difference in protection has been obvious when Stanley is playing. 

His absence didn't make a noticeable difference to our production in the air or on the ground, Terrence West had his three best games (and only 100 yard game) when Ronnie was out. 

[Underdogsontop!]

On December 5, 2016 at 5:22 AM, January J said:

He clearly outperformed Tunsil yesterday though- making our decision look pretty wise. And Tunsil has mostly been playing guard and hasn't even made the transition to LT yet.

Tunsil was playing through an injury though.... Jus saying

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Tunsil was playing through an injury though.... Jus saying

as was stanley 3-4 games ago - if you play that game then you can throw out over half of most lineman's games every year - look at yanda

[January J]

7 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Tunsil was playing through an injury though.... Jus saying

And Stanley is still technically playing through an injury..so in my mind that's irrelevant. If your going to be a burden to your team don't suit up. Like SR. Said when you put that jersey on all excuses go out the window.

[Gtown Purple]

Tavon, no question

[rossihunter2]

42 minutes ago, Gtown Purple said:

Tavon, no question

if he plays like he did against miami he should win, but then again stanley also killed it against miami, so what am i even talking about

[ludy51]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

if he plays like he did against miami he should win, but then again stanley also killed it against miami, so what am i even talking about

I'll take both please!

[Deflated Football]

Can Tavon be our, dare I say.. Chris Harris Jr.? 

[Underdogsontop!]

8 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

as was stanley 3-4 games ago - if you play that game then you can throw out over half of most lineman's games every year - look at yanda

You forget how Stanley played his 1st game back? Yanda is no comparison. He's a pro bowl vet. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 12/6/2016 at 0:21 PM, January J said:

Many people regarded Tunsil as the best LT in the draft- so Ofcourse many are going to compare the two and use Tunsil a measuring stick for Stanley. Esp when they just went head to head and Stanley's PFF grade was significantly higher and Tunsil had numerous penalties. Yes Stanley missed 4 games - all of which we lost. Coincidence or not this all supports the argument that Stanley has made a case for the ravens rookie of the year. Personally I voted for Tavon but its obvious how much of a difference Stanley makes when he's on the feild. Which also draws more debate about what "MVP"truly means- as Lebron brought into question last year. Is it the player that simply produces the most- or the player who would create the biggest void if they were removed from the game? Some positions are also regarded as higher than others. I don't see how my comment was not relevant to the discussion but anyway. 

I appreciate the time and effort you put into this post. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here but the bottom line point remains.

We are trying to determine the Ravens ROTY and I doubt any consideration can be placed on how people from other teams are playing. This is strictly a Raven against Raven situation.

Being on the field is the only way you can help your team. I don't care if you have the most talent in the world, if you aren't on the field you aren't helping. I am not saying Stanley is terrible or awful. I am simply stating that I think part of the value of any player is how much they are on the field and making plays. So by Stanley being hurt and missing four games, the team lost all four games. He hurt his team by not playing. Not his fault, people get hurt, happens all the time. But that's the story here.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

About Tavon Young...

I am not sold on his brilliant level of play. He's been good and has been doing about as well as you can expect. People were blaming Shareece Wright in the Dallas game, but it wasn't Wright that was covering Bryant, that was Young. Young continually played WAY off of Bryant and when Bryant caught stuff underneath he then ran over the initial tackle attempt by Young.

Here's another thing. The NFL does OROTY and DROTY. Why not do that here?

OROTY: Stanley. I don't think anyone else on offense that is a rookie has contributed more. I think Kenneth Dixon could get an honorable mention and perhaps has a chance to wrestle the starting gig away from West in the next few games. Dixon just looks like a more positive play guy. West has a lot of negative runs when he tries to reincarnate Barry Sanders instead of being who he is. West is best banging it up the middle and then cutting. Not cutting five times and spinning in the back field.

DROTY: Pierce/Judon/Young: All of them have contributed in pretty big ways when they play. None of them are full time starters, but Young probably will get the most playing time now while other corners are hurt.

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

About Tavon Young...

I am not sold on his brilliant level of play. He's been good and has been doing about as well as you can expect. People were blaming Shareece Wright in the Dallas game, but it wasn't Wright that was covering Bryant, that was Young. Young continually played WAY off of Bryant and when Bryant caught stuff underneath he then ran over the initial tackle attempt by Young.

im still blaming shareece: dez caught two passes against tavon - one was for 10 yards or so on 3rd and 2 and he was tackled immediately, there's not much you can do against dez there, the second one is a much fairer criticism because he played 10 yards off dez 1vs1 in the endzone

however, most of dez's production came on the other side of the field mostly against wright so of course people will blame wright

[sibelius]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

im still blaming shareece: dez caught two passes against tavon - one was for 10 yards or so on 3rd and 2 and he was tackled immediately, there's not much you can do against dez there, the second one is a much fairer criticism because he played 10 yards off dez 1vs1 in the endzone

however, most of dez's production came on the other side of the field mostly against wright so of course people will blame wright

 

Pees' defense is predicated on being able to shut down one side of the secondary and ball hawk on the other. It just doesn't work for 4 quarters without a guy like Jimmy.

Tavon Young should never be put in position to guard Dez 1v1, if not because of physical mismatch alone then because of the experience differential. Garrett is a smart offensive coach. Once the Dline got a little tired in the middle (thanks to offensive inadequacy) there was no way to stop Dez, Zeke AND Witten. Our only hope was to blitz, but without Jimmy they just ate us up by scheming matchups for Dez/Witten and letting Zeke do his thing.

The Raiders had a similar game plan but Young was still on the sharp end of the learning curve and Wright just doesn't have the talent to be anything higher than CB4. If we can add one more competent outside CB3 so we can move Tavon to the slot in 3+ CB situations (and keep the rest of the defense together) I think we'll finally see the rare form of Pees' design. 

[Davesta]

No respect from our former scout. Not even a honorable mention 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000752994/article/nfl-rookie-rankings-ezekiel-elliott-reigns-carson-wentz-drops

[mc_red23]

6 hours ago, Davesta said:

No respect from our former scout. Not even a honorable mention 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000752994/article/nfl-rookie-rankings-ezekiel-elliott-reigns-carson-wentz-drops

I laughed at this list. Tunsil at 14 yet no mention of Stanley at all. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So I tweeted him that Tavon or Stanley shouldve been on the list. over 30 players named and neither of them gets a mentioned.

 

His only comeback was - it was a Top 25, not a Top 30.

aka, prob hasnt watched anything on Tavon.