Ravens rookie of the year

[Ulawun]

Tavon Young is one of the only bright spots in this rookie class aside from Stanley.

[CorvusMagnus]

In terms of overall impact I'll probably go with Stanley. A rookie being "OK" starting at LT in the NFL is something you can go several years without seeing (as several people pointed out the last one I can think of is Tyron Smith). If he starts for the rest of the season I don't think it'll be much of a contest.

In terms of value my head says Young, he's been our no. 1/2 corner in several games and held his own, which is more then we have any right to expect from a 4th round rookie at the CB position. The most important thing about Young is that he has a head for the game that can compensate for his physical limitations, and can ride the razors edge between physicality and aggression (he reminds me of Sherman in that regard).

My heart says Pierce tho, even with his snaps seeming to shrink each game. Personally I REALLY want to see what he looks like after a season of professional nutrition and physical training. As an experiment I'm interested in how he would play at somethign closer to Aaron Donald's weight (300-310 lbs) given his explosive lower body.

Edited December 2, 2016 by CorvusMagnus

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, Ulawun said:

Tavon Young is one of the only bright spots in this rookie class aside from Stanley.

what are you talking about?

we've had starter contributions from 2 4th round rookies, our 1st rounder and looks like another 4th rounder is virtually splitting carries with the starter at rb, we've had rotational play from our 5th rounder, a udfa both of whom have flashed pass rush ability and have good special teams contributions from one of our other 4th rounders

for the 1st year of a draft that is unbelievable especially considering the 2nd and 3rd round picks have hardly played

[Filmstudy]

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

what are you talking about?

we've had starter contributions from 2 4th round rookies, our 1st rounder and looks like another 4th rounder is virtually splitting carries with the starter at rb, we've had rotational play from our 5th rounder, a udfa both of whom have flashed pass rush ability and have good special teams contributions from one of our other 4th rounders

for the 1st year of a draft that is unbelievable especially considering the 2nd and 3rd round picks have hardly played

Not to mention UDFA is a star rotational DT/NT.  The draft class and broader rookie class are special indeed.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Stanley gets my vote. Don't get me wrong, all of our rookies listed are doing great but his being out definatley was felt and he handles his spot very well. Is a huge part of getting joe settled back in the saddle.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 12/1/2016 at 7:15 PM, Ulawun said:

Tavon Young is one of the only bright spots in this rookie class aside from Stanley.

Young and Stanley are indeed very bright but hardly alone in this class. 

What Pierce has done in the DL rotation has been incredible, almost for any rookie let alone a small school UDFA one. 

Lewis opened as the starting LG and also filled in at LT and RT due to injuries and held his own. He was playing his best ball yet leading up to the injury. 

Dixon has gradually taken over more of the RB touches. He's been effective both as a runner and pass catcher, and is improving his protection. 

Judon probably deserves more playing time and has over taken Zadarius as the 3rd edge rusher. He's had a knack for big plays between sacks, til, fumbles, and batting passes. I'd like to see even more of him. 

And Moore has been a ST standout. Had a ST TD and is frequently making immediate tackles as a gunner to limit returns. And early on when he was more involved in the passing game, he was getting open for big plays he just couldn't haul in the opportunities. He's seemingly lost the trust of the coaching staff, but I think he showed real promise in being able to find space and beat his man, albeit a rather limited sample size. 

And then Correa is largely a victim of the numbers game. Though he did make some splashes in his few opportunities. 

Kaufusi is injured but was one of my favorite picks. He could be the real pass rushing threat that we just don't have with Guy and Urban. 

Mans Reynolds who was always a long shot to make the team his first year. 

 

Weve literally gotten contributions above expectation from all but maybe 1 able bodied rookie. 

Even if you use strict guidelines I don't know how you ignore Pierce, Lewis or Dixon.

So far id say we have the best rookie class in the NFL top to bottom. Dallas edges us in terms of immediate returns/impact (largely bc of how hard it is to find a franchise QB) but in terms of the number of rookies contributing and playing above expectation.... I can't think of a rookie class better than ours. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 11/27/2016 at 9:55 PM, K-Dog said:

The fact that you never even hear Stanleys name is a good thing. 

You can't hear his name if he's not playing. Have to factor in that he missed 3-4 games this year.

[January J]

6 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You can't hear his name if he's not playing. Have to factor in that he missed 3-4 games this year.

He clearly outperformed Tunsil yesterday though- making our decision look pretty wise. And Tunsil has mostly been playing guard and hasn't even made the transition to LT yet.

[RavensFanMania]

On 12/1/2016 at 7:15 PM, Ulawun said:

Tavon Young is one of the only bright spots in this rookie class aside from Stanley.

Really, where have you been........Dixon will be a stud, Pierce, Judon, Lewis and we haven't even seen what Kaufusi can do.

This was a totally impactful draft and we will look back at this one when it is all said and done as being key to our turnaround in coming seasons.

Edited December 5, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[jboy19]

I think Young takes it for me. Yeah he's gotten burnt a couple times, but he is a rookie corner and he has stabilized the cornerback position this year. I still think he's playing out of position on the perimeter, but he has vastly overperformed my expectations. 

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think Young takes it for me. Yeah he's gotten burnt a couple times, but he is a rookie corner and he has stabilized the cornerback position this year. I still think he's playing out of position on the perimeter, but he has vastly overperformed my expectations. 

i dont think he's really playing out of position because he makes up for his lack of height by challenging the receivers because his reactions are so quick that unless the ball is in the perfect spot he can break on it

[Rav'n Maniac]

10 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think Young takes it for me. Yeah he's gotten burnt a couple times, but he is a rookie corner and he has stabilized the cornerback position this year. I still think he's playing out of position on the perimeter, but he has vastly overperformed my expectations. 

I agree, young definitely takes it for me. Not only has he done well for a rook his size on the outside but, he has excellent reaction to dump offs and screens often blowing the plays up.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

5 hours ago, January J said:

He clearly outperformed Tunsil yesterday though- making our decision look pretty wise. And Tunsil has mostly been playing guard and hasn't even made the transition to LT yet.

What does Tunsil have to do with Stanley being injured? What does Tunsil have to do with who is the Rookie of The Year for the Ravens? What does Tunsil playing LG have to do with Stanley playing LT?

The question at hand is who is THE RAVENS ROTY? A factor in that decision has to be how many games you played, that's only logical. I would have to think that a player that plays in more games has more impact than a player that played in less games.

I no way am I saying that Stanley has been terrible. I merely pointed out that he's missed 3-4 games with injuries. Is that true or is it not?

[mc_red23]

I've loved watching Young play this season, the boy knows how to make plays! So far it's looked like a very good draft class and props to the others for performing like they have. Looking forward to seeing what Correa & Kaufusi can do in the future. 

I'd like to apologise to Stanley. I wasn't all that hyped about us drafting him, I was one of those that wanted a 'sexier' pick but I've been nothing but impressed with how he's played whenever he's been on the field. He was the most needed pick in the end. 

Edited December 5, 2016 by mc_red23

[ALPHA]

I don't know why anyone is voting Stanley over Pierce.

Edited December 5, 2016 by ALPHA

[Tank 92]

29 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I don't know why anyone is voting Stanley over Pierce.

Most likely because he has had tons more of an impact on the performance of the team. 

[Deflated Football]

43 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I don't know why anyone is voting Stanley over Pierce.

Did you see the time he gave Flacco yesterday? Against one of the best fronts in the league? No disrespect to Pierce because he's a beast, but Ronnie is getting his confidence back after his injury. 

[ALPHA]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Most likely because he has had tons more of an impact on the performance of the team. 

How do you figure? he missed a third of our games and isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. Compared to last year our offense is worse, our ground game is worse and we're on pace for more sacks allowed.

Now look at our defense, from 12th best run D last season to FIRST.

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, ALPHA said:

How do you figure? he missed a third of our games and isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. Compared to last year our offense is worse, our ground game is worse and we're on pace for more sacks allowed.

Now look at our defense, from 12th best run D last season to FIRST.

Probabaly because the games he missed we lost and I don't think that's a coincidence. I think you know the importance of the LT position. The difference in protection has been obvious when Stanley is playing. 

[Halshayeji]

On November 28, 2016 at 5:34 AM, rossihunter2 said:

i still like urschel for zuttah - he has shown fairly well in tough situations where he has to come in for one or two plays - if he becomes the starter and gets a chance to build chemistry with flacco he could certainly fit the 80-20 rule this offseason but we will need to pick up another interior lineman this upcoming draft especially if lewis swings out to tackle next year

next year id be looking for a lengthy corner (hopefully bpa works out for a high pick), more pass rushers, inside linebacker depth, interior line help and maybe backup tackles

that seems like a long list but outside of the corner i dont see urgency to fill a need

Great post!

1- A big CB across from Jimmy would do us wonders. Young is good against #2 WRs and great as a slot guy. I want him where he's great and occasionally line up outside.

2- Not a big fan of letting Linemen go but if we draft someone in the first 3 rounds and maybe a low risk vet then I'm in peace with losing zuttah. If we lose both zuttah and Wagner then we need 3 quality guys not 2. Absolutely agree with backup tackles. 

3- I'm not too worried about our pass rush. Suggs is still a monster! Jernigan is aging like fine wine! Judon is setting the edge as well as upshaw ever did and he's getting to the QB more often. If doom comes back that's just added value.

[Kid87]

Can we add perriman to this list lol.. 

Tavon, pierce, judon, stanley..

[Halshayeji]

What an awesome draft class! That makes 2 great class's out of three.

[codizzle]

TBD 

[Purple_City39]

11 hours ago, ALPHA said:

How do you figure? he missed a third of our games and isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. Compared to last year our offense is worse, our ground game is worse and we're on pace for more sacks allowed.

Now look at our defense, from 12th best run D last season to FIRST.

Even with the games missed, Stanley has still played more snaps than Pierce.  The offense may or may not be worse, but does that all fall on just the LT?  Is everyone else the same and playing the same?  No.  Pierce is great, but let's not act like he's the reason the defense improved.

Stanley is the most important rookie to the team right now because of the position he played.  The win/loss record with Stanley in the lineup surpasses any other rookie

[hereweare]

Just now, Purple_City39 said:

Even with the games missed, Stanley has still played more snaps than Pierce.  The offense may or may not be worse, but does that all fall on just the LT?  Is everyone else the same and playing the same?  No.  Pierce is great, but let's not act like he's the reason the defense improved.

Stanley is the most important rookie to the team right now because of the position he played.  The win/loss record with Stanley in the lineup surpasses any other rookie

Agreed. So the question then becomes.. do you judge based on most valuable to the team? or who is playing the best football?

[January J]

20 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

What does Tunsil have to do with Stanley being injured? What does Tunsil have to do with who is the Rookie of The Year for the Ravens? What does Tunsil playing LG have to do with Stanley playing LT?

The question at hand is who is THE RAVENS ROTY? A factor in that decision has to be how many games you played, that's only logical. I would have to think that a player that plays in more games has more impact than a player that played in less games.

I no way am I saying that Stanley has been terrible. I merely pointed out that he's missed 3-4 games with injuries. Is that true or is it not?

Many people regarded Tunsil as the best LT in the draft- so Ofcourse many are going to compare the two and use Tunsil a measuring stick for Stanley. Esp when they just went head to head and Stanley's PFF grade was significantly higher and Tunsil had numerous penalties. Yes Stanley missed 4 games - all of which we lost. Coincidence or not this all supports the argument that Stanley has made a case for the ravens rookie of the year. Personally I voted for Tavon but its obvious how much of a difference Stanley makes when he's on the feild. Which also draws more debate about what "MVP"truly means- as Lebron brought into question last year. Is it the player that simply produces the most- or the player who would create the biggest void if they were removed from the game? Some positions are also regarded as higher than others. I don't see how my comment was not relevant to the discussion but anyway. 

[January J]

1 hour ago, hereweare said:

Agreed. So the question then becomes.. do you judge based on most valuable to the team? or who is playing the best football?

I just kind of said the same thing before I saw your post. I think you kind of answered your own question when you used the word "valuable"...

Same debate lebron controversly raised last year...Curry obviously outproduced everybody.. But the warriors are still likely a playoff team without him. Take lebron away from the Cavs and there's obviously more of an impact. Its an interesting question and many view it differently. Unfortunately I think the majority still believe that MVP simply means who puts up the best numbers. And if you don't play a sexy position then you'll never win the award.

Edited December 6, 2016 by January J

[hereweare]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

I just kind of said the same thing before I saw your post. I think you kind of answered your own question when you used the word "valuable"...

Same debate lebron controversly raised last year...Curry obviously outproduced everybody.. But the warriors are still likely a playoff team without him. Take lebron away from the Cave and there's obviously more of an impact. Its an interesting question and many view it differently. Unfortunately I think the majority still believe that MVP simply means who puts up the best numbers. And if you don't play a sexy position then you'll never win the award.

But it's ROTY not MVROTY lol.. and you voted for Tavon? So you're going against your own view point?
Personally, I'm not sure how to judge. Stanley is most valuable, remove him and Oline and offense are screwed... but how do you take it away from a guy whose playing a pro bowl level at his position? (not saying someone is, just for arguments sake)

[January J]

13 minutes ago, hereweare said:

But it's ROTY not MVROTY lol.. and you voted for Tavon? So you're going against your own view point?
Personally, I'm not sure how to judge. Stanley is most valuable, remove him and Oline and offense are screwed... but how do you take it away from a guy whose playing a pro bowl level at his position? (not saying someone is, just for arguments sake)

Haha your right- somehow I crossed rookie of the year and MVP and got mixed up. 

I think our rookie of the year has to be Tavon . our "MOST VALUABLE ROY" in my opinion is Stanley. Lol sorry for the confusion

I guess the question then becomes how high of regard  "value" should be considered when determining ROY?

Edited December 6, 2016 by January J

[Purple_City39]

1 hour ago, hereweare said:

Agreed. So the question then becomes.. do you judge based on most valuable to the team? or who is playing the best football?

In all honesty, I'd lean towards Stanley either way.  He missed 4 games, and Tavon Young is pretty good at his position, but I feel Stanley is better at LT right now than Young is at CB.  I'd be more confident in Stanley facing top 10 d-lineman/OLBs than I would with Young facing top 10 WRs/QBs.  This is not to ignore how well Young has played for a rookie though

Stanley wins on the "valuable" level to me also