[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Cincinnati Bengals

[sizzlingdoom]

For everyone "couch coaching" in the comments section here, we won. Was it pretty? No. Are there issues on both sides of the ball that need cleaned up? Yes. But....they won, next week, they need to win again. It's that simple. Trashing players and the team at this point of the season is about as useful as a jackhammer on a trampoline! Purple up folks and enjoy the ride! Tuna may be Dolphin safe these days, but come Sunday, Baltimore won't be! GO RAVENS! CB 25

Cheers man! Great post! I'm right with ya!

[The Mom Gene]

For everyone "couch coaching" in the comments section here, we won. Was it pretty? No. Are there issues on both sides of the ball that need cleaned up? Yes. But....they won, next week, they need to win again. It's that simple. Trashing players and the team at this point of the season is about as useful as a jackhammer on a trampoline! Purple up folks and enjoy the ride! Tuna may be Dolphin safe these days, but come Sunday, Baltimore won't be! GO RAVENS! CB 25

*applause*

[btfan2]

4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

4 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

For everyone "couch coaching" in the comments section here, we won. Was it pretty? No. Are there issues on both sides of the ball that need cleaned up? Yes. But....they won, next week, they need to win again. It's that simple. Trashing players and the team at this point of the season is about as useful as a jackhammer on a trampoline! Purple up folks and enjoy the ride! Tuna may be Dolphin safe these days, but come Sunday, Baltimore won't be! GO RAVENS! CB 25

Cheers man! Great post! I'm right with ya!

My thoughts exactly. Take a look at the NFL folks, every team has issues. Is it the parity thing, lack of good coaches everywhere not just here or a phase. Who knows?

We have a new "OC" who has not had time to do much. Things are better lets keep working.

These guys play hard give them some credit.

[The Mom Gene]

  1 hour ago, Raven1995 said:

  14 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Joe is atrocious, I hate to sound like a broken record but the guys mechanics, footwork, release, etc.. are trash. Remember Trestman said he was going to work with Joe and get him to release it faster and all the good mechanics went to the dump to get him to get it out, supposedly to hit open receivers, who now can't get open. Face it, none of that crap we were fed worked and Marty is trying to piece together a garbage system the whole time we have a QB who can't hit the broad side of a barn and should take a pay cut to put those pieces around him he knows he needs to win. If Flacco looks at film and doesn't think he is robbing someone, then he has no morality. I would like to think he's not the I soaked you too bad you made a bad deal guy and will work that deal because it is a horrible deal for the team. He is not a good QB, he's not even a good backup NFL qb. When are we going to do something about getting him to drop his salary to get quality players or when are we getting rid of him. Has to be one or the other because people will be fired because Bisciotti isn't putting up with this for the length of Flacco's contract. Joe was borderline pre-injury (thus the elite, not elite crap) and post-injury he is 5 more years of this trash. Don't think Steves buying that.

I'd like to see you hit the broad side of a barn with 4 people 6 foot 4 and 275 to 330 running at you.

see, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, David Carr, Drew Brees....they can show you how to step up in the picket, rool out, change protection, throw the ball away, or any of the other good decisions a QB should make in those situations.

In most of these posts, I fail to see the one main issue we have dealt with all season... 7 different personnel set-ups on the Offensive Line in 10 games. These past two games are the first two all season that we have had a consistent O-Line... if you can even call that consistent.

[stixfix69]

2 Team race in the AFCN, it comes down to who wants it more, and who can execute plays....Have always said, just make the dance to give us a chance, and the opportunity is there for us.....

[griffrb]

As much as I'm frustrated by the lack of offensive support, this is our team, this is how we play, and this is who this team is. I've decided not to burn up any more energy on our challenges. We won. 1st place in the AFC North for another week. We've got a lot of work to do, but so do other teams. Go Ravens!

[RavenLunatic]

This section if for us "couch coaches".
I'm not going to come in here and say I'm happy when I'm not. I still support my team. I go to games. But I also like to share my love and frustration equally with other fans. It's all part of the game.

The Ravens are never going to be perfect, but this offense is offensive to me. I said it earlier in the season. My blame goes to the Front Office for letting go of KO and letting a rookie start at left tackle. I think injuries surmounted because of that.

But it is what it is and we need to move on. But we all can agree that we need to see more production from the offense. The story is getting very old.

[Tdot.to.Bmore]

There seems to be a lot of spoiled fans on this site. Yes, we can play better and yes it can be frustrating at times, but if your not happy then jump ship we don't need you. We've had a great run the past decade. Not too many teams in this league can say that they've made the playoffs as much as we have since Flacco has been here - now its a standard? This is the NFL. There's too much parity in this league to continue success. There's only one team out there that has had better success than us over that time and its the Pats unfortunately.

Enjoy being #1 in the division. We still have a shot at this. Just stop being so damn spoiled!

[MikebRaven]

It was a good game. Ravens are improving. And it's nice to see the supportive fans speak up!

[TorryGundy]

1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

With the exception of Seattle those other teams all have top 8 offensive lines. You make it seem as if the QB does it all by himself.

there was a time our O line was considered great, same QB. O lines do not throw at feet, O lines do not throw poor reads into defenders hands, O lines don't run out of bounds 6 yards deep when they can throw the ball away... ill wait...

[metalraven]

  15 hours ago, metalraven said:

I'm glad we won. But man, this team is still very far from being a threat IF they make the playoffs. Today, I saw some of the worst play calling on the offensive side of the ball. In the first half, Ravens were nearing the red zone, it was 2nd and 1, and they called a FREAKING HB DELAY that got blown up. THEN, they run the off tackle on 3rd and 3, and that too got blown up. It was absolutely atrocious. In the second half, it was another 2nd and short, maybe 3. They're in the gun, defense shows a double A gap blitz. Flacco then audibles, then goes under center, and the run goes RIGHT INTO WHERE THE BLITZ WAS!!! I simply could not believe it. This game should not have been close. But when you have a moron at QB and a moron calling the plays, welp, you either lose, or barely win. Unbelievable. I hope they watch the tape and say: "What the hell was I thinking there?!?!"

1. I find this sort of ironic, considering its the fans who have been clamoring for a more "balanced" attack and running the ball more. Yet, when we clearly do that, our run game is average to below average and they are horrendous in short yardage situations, particularly in obvious running situations.

2. In their defense... most good NFL teams and coaches would tell you that running into a blitz is effective, particularly if that blitz is viewed as a pass rush blitz vs a run blitz.

If blocked appropriately (and you don't even need to block everybody in this instance), the blitz will be ineffective because it will commit several players upfield away from where the ball is. At that point, if you can get to the 2nd level, its a huge play.

Execution was the problem there, not necessarily the play call.

I have no issue calling a run play on 2nd and 1 - that's exactly what should be done. But instead of calling a HB delay, when the D is clearly playing the run, why not just push it up and get the first down via HB gut, or QB sneak under center? At least you won't lose yards on the latter. So it wasn't the run, it was the TYPE of run that was incredibly stupid.

Perhaps you're right on your second point. But I just can't see how calling a run that is directly INTO the blitz works out more often than not. The objective is to run AWAY from defenders.

[Crusader]

This section if for us "couch coaches".
I'm not going to come in here and say I'm happy when I'm not. I still support my team. I go to games. But I also like to share my love and frustration equally with other fans. It's all part of the game.

The Ravens are never going to be perfect, but this offense is offensive to me. I said it earlier in the season. My blame goes to the Front Office for letting go of KO and letting a rookie start at left tackle. I think injuries surmounted because of that.

But it is what it is and we need to move on. But we all can agree that we need to see more production from the offense. The story is getting very old.

Yea you just got to love people that find created ways in demean and insult others. Ravens organization bring a lot of this on themselves. Since Brian left there has been this wall slowly built between fans and the team.

[hereweare]

This game had positive contributions and play all over the field. Solid W.
Since Harbaugh started coaching the Ravens have won a lot of games this way. Read into Flacco's post game comments and its clear. 16-3 at half Harbaugh sees a defense dominating the bengals and Tucker hitting 50 yarders...  he 100% talks to the OC and slows down the offense, play for 3 points, make no mistakes and we will win this game. It's annoying and frustrating at times, but that's Harbs. He doesn't let the offense loose until playoffs.... or when Kubiak and his boys ran the offense entirely on their own (that was nice).

[rmcjacket23]

23 minutes ago, metalraven said:

I have no issue calling a run play on 2nd and 1 - that's exactly what should be done. But instead of calling a HB delay, when the D is clearly playing the run, why not just push it up and get the first down via HB gut, or QB sneak under center? At least you won't lose yards on the latter. So it wasn't the run, it was the TYPE of run that was incredibly stupid.

Perhaps you're right on your second point. But I just can't see how calling a run that is directly INTO the blitz works out more often than not. The objective is to run AWAY from defenders.

In all honesty, our 2nd and short yardage running has been so abysmal all season long that I don't blame them for spreading the defense out and trying to run that way... at least it shows me that they are aware of the issues and are scheming to avoid them. 

I can go back to just about any game this season and show people multiple instances where we either gained nothing or lost yardage on shorter 2nd down runs, usually in the 2nd and 3-4 or shorter. We've done it in I-formation with Juice as the lead back, we've tried multiple different backs, we've done single back, etc. Its just not working.

Frankly, on 2nd and 1-2, I'd like to see us throw the ball and take some shots down field. Its really one of the ideal spots to do it... the defense is usually crowding the LOS to take away the run (at least the linebackers are) and if its an incompletion, you've got 3rd and short, where literally all play call options are available. 

Its a portion of our offense that needs to be fixed, and can mostly only be done via execution, not necessarily play calling.

[CQ1]

Again....no killer instinct. Our defense is far from as good as it was in 2000 to carry the team. Field goals and a decent defense will only go so far.
When your "star" QB absorbs so much of the teams salary- the rest of your weapons are going to be a crap shoot, etc. Go ask the Saints, they will tell you.
Yes, Drew Brees (NOT to compare Flacco with Brees- only how the major contract affects the REST of the team) is a great QB, however, the Saints............ (you all can complete the sentence)

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

I have no issue calling a run play on 2nd and 1 - that's exactly what should be done. But instead of calling a HB delay, when the D is clearly playing the run, why not just push it up and get the first down via HB gut, or QB sneak under center? At least you won't lose yards on the latter. So it wasn't the run, it was the TYPE of run that was incredibly stupid.

Perhaps you're right on your second point. But I just can't see how calling a run that is directly INTO the blitz works out more often than not. The objective is to run AWAY from defenders.

In all honesty, our 2nd and short yardage running has been so abysmal all season long that I don't blame them for spreading the defense out and trying to run that way... at least it shows me that they are aware of the issues and are scheming to avoid them. 

I can go back to just about any game this season and show people multiple instances where we either gained nothing or lost yardage on shorter 2nd down runs, usually in the 2nd and 3-4 or shorter. We've done it in I-formation with Juice as the lead back, we've tried multiple different backs, we've done single back, etc. Its just not working.

Frankly, on 2nd and 1-2, I'd like to see us throw the ball and take some shots down field. Its really one of the ideal spots to do it... the defense is usually crowding the LOS to take away the run (at least the linebackers are) and if its an incompletion, you've got 3rd and short, where literally all play call options are available. 

Its a portion of our offense that needs to be fixed, and can mostly only be done via execution, not necessarily play calling.

I see what you mean. Valid points, for sure. But a simple QB sneak would've gotten us the first down, and worst, been 3rd and the same. Oh well, guess it doesn't matter. Just glad we won.

[metalraven]

This game had positive contributions and play all over the field. Solid W.
Since Harbaugh started coaching the Ravens have won a lot of games this way. Read into Flacco's post game comments and its clear. 16-3 at half Harbaugh sees a defense dominating the bengals and Tucker hitting 50 yarders...  he 100% talks to the OC and slows down the offense, play for 3 points, make no mistakes and we will win this game. It's annoying and frustrating at times, but that's Harbs. He doesn't let the offense loose until playoffs.... or when Kubiak and his boys ran the offense entirely on their own (that was nice).

Didn't think of it that way. Nice observation. It has been that way for a very long time.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Again....no killer instinct. Our defense is far from as good as it was in 2000 to carry the team. Field goals and a decent defense will only go so far.
When your "star" QB absorbs so much of the teams salary- the rest of your weapons are going to be a crap shoot, etc. Go ask the Saints, they will tell you.
Yes, Drew Brees (NOT to compare Flacco with Brees- only how the major contract affects the REST of the team) is a great QB, however, the Saints............ (you all can complete the sentence)

Get over the salary issue and get behind the team. The griping of some of the fans is just getting ridiculous. We are not perfect that's for sure but I'll take this kind of win every week if necessary.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, CQ1 said:

Again....no killer instinct. Our defense is far from as good as it was in 2000 to carry the team. Field goals and a decent defense will only go so far.
When your "star" QB absorbs so much of the teams salary- the rest of your weapons are going to be a crap shoot, etc. Go ask the Saints, they will tell you.
Yes, Drew Brees (NOT to compare Flacco with Brees- only how the major contract affects the REST of the team) is a great QB, however, the Saints............ (you all can complete the sentence)

.... didn't draft very well.

That's pretty much the only completion to that sentence.

Teams that draft well with a highly paid QB win a lot of games, and teams that don't draft well with a highly paid QB don't win a lot of games.

Frankly, in many instances, the production of the highly paid QB doesn't even matter a ton. The comparison between Flacco and Brees is valid in that aspect, because it goes to show you how two highly paid QBs like play so differently in terms of production, yet essentially get to the same result.

If we had drafted even a little bit better (like not whiffing on some 1st and 2nd round picks) in the last 3-4 years, and Flacco was playing exactly as he is now, we're probably a game or two ahead in the division right now. And that all happens with the same compensation and same production from the QB position.

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, Crusader said:

Yea you just got to love people that find created ways in demean and insult others. Ravens organization bring a lot of this on themselves. Since Brian left there has been this wall slowly built between fans and the team.

That's pretty much not true.  The Ravens have put significant money and effort into making the fans a part of the team, including allowing them to comment on these articles.  Many teams don't allow that at all.

[billiejean]

18 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Joe is atrocious, I hate to sound like a broken record but the guys mechanics, footwork, release, etc.. are trash. Remember Trestman said he was going to work with Joe and get him to release it faster and all the good mechanics went to the dump to get him to get it out, supposedly to hit open receivers, who now can't get open. Face it, none of that crap we were fed worked and Marty is trying to piece together a garbage system the whole time we have a QB who can't hit the broad side of a barn and should take a pay cut to put those pieces around him he knows he needs to win. If Flacco looks at film and doesn't think he is robbing someone, then he has no morality. I would like to think he's not the I soaked you too bad you made a bad deal guy and will work that deal because it is a horrible deal for the team. He is not a good QB, he's not even a good backup NFL qb. When are we going to do something about getting him to drop his salary to get quality players or when are we getting rid of him. Has to be one or the other because people will be fired because Bisciotti isn't putting up with this for the length of Flacco's contract. Joe was borderline pre-injury (thus the elite, not elite crap) and post-injury he is 5 more years of this trash. Don't think Steves buying that.

fusuymada do you really expect us to believe that you know what good QB mechanics, footwork, and release are?  In most of your posts you have shown that you have very little understanding of the game. Do you remember when you tried to convince me that Urschel was an all star and that his PFF grades were outstanding?  Only to find out that his PFF grades were atrocious.  Joe completed 70% of his throws Sunday.  Only one QB did better than him.  When you give accolades to players who are terrible and then trash a player for his performance in a game only to find out he did pretty well, your credibility takes a hit. And these are only two examples I could go on but it would take me a while.  The other interesting is that I have seen you on multiple occasions telling people that they aren't real fans and that maybe they should start to root for the steelers.  As was the case a few weeks ago when I criticized your boy JU.  Every thing is hunky dory when someone criticizes something that you are critical of but when someone is critical  about something that you don't agree with, than those people are not "real" ravens fans.

Edited November 28, 2016 by billiejean

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, Crusader said:

4 hours ago, RavenLunatic said:

This section if for us "couch coaches".
I'm not going to come in here and say I'm happy when I'm not. I still support my team. I go to games. But I also like to share my love and frustration equally with other fans. It's all part of the game.

The Ravens are never going to be perfect, but this offense is offensive to me. I said it earlier in the season. My blame goes to the Front Office for letting go of KO and letting a rookie start at left tackle. I think injuries surmounted because of that.

But it is what it is and we need to move on. But we all can agree that we need to see more production from the offense. The story is getting very old.

Yea you just got to love people that find created ways in demean and insult others. Ravens organization bring a lot of this on themselves. Since Brian left there has been this wall slowly built between fans and the team.

Yea I felt really separated from the team when we won that Superbowl in 2012. I heard that fans felt so separated from the team then that they were actually upset that we won the game.

Edited November 28, 2016 by billiejean

[Crusader]

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

  4 hours ago, RavenLunatic said:

This section if for us "couch coaches".
I'm not going to come in here and say I'm happy when I'm not. I still support my team. I go to games. But I also like to share my love and frustration equally with other fans. It's all part of the game.

The Ravens are never going to be perfect, but this offense is offensive to me. I said it earlier in the season. My blame goes to the Front Office for letting go of KO and letting a rookie start at left tackle. I think injuries surmounted because of that.

But it is what it is and we need to move on. But we all can agree that we need to see more production from the offense. The story is getting very old.

Yea you just got to love people that find created ways in demean and insult others. Ravens organization bring a lot of this on themselves. Since Brian left there has been this wall slowly built between fans and the team.

yea I felt really separated from the team when we won that superbowl in 2012

Guess you never watched the practices.

[Crusader]

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

Yea you just got to love people that find created ways in demean and insult others. Ravens organization bring a lot of this on themselves. Since Brian left there has been this wall slowly built between fans and the team.

That's pretty much not true.  The Ravens have put significant money and effort into making the fans a part of the team, including allowing them to comment on these articles.  Many teams don't allow that at all.

Really? What was hey did to the practices when Brian left. How many did they allow people to watch? Let me guess "all under the National Security umbrella" NEWS FLASH No team is afraid of the Ravens anymore. Not even Browns. Also, Why all the games Perriman? Fans what to see the number one draft picks play. "You can't see the forest from the Tress' When you understand that phrase then you'll see .

[riseNConquer81]

7 hours ago, steelraven said:

I beg to differ, Stafford is head over hill better than Flacco. The question is have you been watching Flacco's play. Flacco has been protected by a defense his whole career and we see how it worked out last year when the Ravens had all the injuries on defense last week. He has the 2nd top rated defense this year, All those QB's you named are playing better than Flacco, with milddle of the pack defenses. He's the 29th ranked QB in the NFL which says a lot about him. The Ravens can't cut him because it's a large cap penalty and dead money. That's the only reason to let the horse die. They should've never gave him that extension, that mistake is going to haunt the ravens for the next 6 years now.

well keep begging, nothing you said made any sense. 

Joe won the superbowl with a 17th rated defense.

Stafford is not playing anything better than Flacco, the only difference between the two up until this season was Calvin Johnson.

Last year, half the O line was also injured, Kamar Aiken was the number 1 receiver, and taliaferro/buck allen were the RBs. Joe's also had 5 different O Coords and had his entire offense completely turned over at least 3 times...he hardly ever has any healthy and familiar faces around him...i see your memory is selective. 

Jay Cutler is not playing well at all. the only reason Hoyer isnt the Bears starting quarterback is because he's on I.R. now.
 
The Chiefs defense is allowing the 3rd fewest points per game in the league with 19. Your "middling" defense is actually as good as ours, they just give up more ultimately irrelevant yards between the 20s,

and i have no idea what scale you managed to rank Joe Flacco the 29th best quarterback on, but its obviously something rigged to confirm your own bias. 

The real question here is if you watch ANY football at all.
 

Edited November 28, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[riseNConquer81]

7 hours ago, TorryGundy said:

see, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, David Carr, Drew Brees....they can show you how to step up in the picket, rool out, change protection, throw the ball away, or any of the other good decisions a QB should make in those situations.

ok but he didnt ask about Dak, Russell, *Derek (i presume, since im not sure David is even in the league any more and wasnt ever very successful when he was), and Drew...he asked to see what all the people on this thread pretending they know anything about quarterback play could do.

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Really? What was hey did to the practices when Brian left. How many did they allow people to watch? Let me guess "all under the National Security umbrella" NEWS FLASH No team is afraid of the Ravens anymore. Not even Browns. Also, Why all the games Perriman? Fans what to see the number one draft picks play. "You can't see the forest from the Tress' When you understand that phrase then you'll see .

The phrase is actually "You can't see the forest FOR the trees" .  I am sure it was just a typo. 

[CQ1]

  9 hours ago, CQ1 said:

Again....no killer instinct. Our defense is far from as good as it was in 2000 to carry the team. Field goals and a decent defense will only go so far.
When your "star" QB absorbs so much of the teams salary- the rest of your weapons are going to be a crap shoot, etc. Go ask the Saints, they will tell you.
Yes, Drew Brees (NOT to compare Flacco with Brees- only how the major contract affects the REST of the team) is a great QB, however, the Saints............ (you all can complete the sentence)

Get over the salary issue and get behind the team. The griping of some of the fans is just getting ridiculous. We are not perfect that's for sure but I'll take this kind of win every week if necessary.

You can take a flawed product all you like. If you are satisfied with it and accept sub par performances- that is sad.

[757RavensFan]

On 11/27/2016 at 7:51 PM, bioLarzen said:

I know it's wishful thinking, but I sure hope Ozzie has Norv Turner's number on speed dial... A new OC can't come soon enough. One that's actually a good one, and can come up with playes where the strengths of our offense and players come into play - where the plays are drawn up to match the players' abilities, and not vica versa... Oh, and one who actually knows that in the two-minute drives you don't keep passing short-to-mid range passes to the middle of the field, giving the receiver no chance of making it out of bounds...

Luckily, we also have a D and a ST...

If there is a search for a new OC after the season, I hope they look for a new upcoming young guy for the job.  Part of the problem is hiring these old re-tread coaches that have an offensive scheme that hasn't evolved w/ the times. 

[omar586]

On 11/27/2016 at 9:12 PM, whobilly said:

That's the problem. Wallace and SSS are good players no longer premier players. The others are simply mediocre players. Waller? Really?

waller can create some mismatches, its the coaches job to put the player in position to succeed.