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[descent into the maelstrom]

On ‎11‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 7:03 PM, Steve0x said:

NFL is fixed just like the WWE is.

If this is true, as I'm sure it is not, I say, fix away.  So far they have fixed it so that the Ravens are the only team to have made multiple Super Bowl appearances without a loss.

[Cillmatic]

I REALLY hope Jimmy can play this Sunday. Since we put Canady on IR and tried to ruin him by changing his position there's no one to watch develop except Tavon.

[hn68wb4]

Jimmy only being a limited practice participant is still very concerning, I'll hold out hope that by Friday he's participating fully and looks good, but from the sound of things we may be without him again which really, really sucks against a team with two legit WRs. I suppose him being out this week wouldn't be a complete death sentence but it sure won't be far from one, it'll make the game a much harder one to win. Next week against the Patriots he absolutely has to play, or else I don't think we can win that game. We need to be at full strength against them defensively.

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1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

I REALLY hope Jimmy can play this Sunday. Since we put Canady on IR and tried to ruin him by changing his position there's no one to watch develop except Tavon.

 

I'd rather him be healthy for the Patriots game than this one.

[Gtown Purple]

On 11/29/2016 at 10:56 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Has anyone noticed how we've stopped losing games we should have won since we started taking field goals when we need to? Except for that one bonehead 4th down call that we happened to convert.. We have been mostly not going for it on 4th. And I feel like we've held more comfortable leads since we changed that

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[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Gtown Purple said:

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This.... has been debunked as not actually factual...

[Gtown Purple]

Dolphins are 6th in pass defense and 30th against the run. Its going to be in the 40s and raining on sunday. The run game needs to bust out in a big way. It's been doing better lately but we need it to dominate this week. Dolphin OL is super banged up so really this game comes down to line play.

 

Plus Jimmy is back at practice............

 

If I'm going to stand out in the cold butt rain they better win.............

[January J]

2 hours ago, redrum52 said:

 

 

I'd rather him be healthy for the Patriots game than this one.

Not sure about that... Everyone has pretty much ruled out a wildcard berth foir some reason but the dolphins hold the final spot right now so getting the head to head against them is pretty crucial if we don't manage to win the division. Now if he's not ready he's not ready.. And I def don't want to risk him getting further injured... But the dolphins have more targets to be worried about than the patriots IMO... And many have the pats game chalked up as a loss anyway ( although I think we have a good chance at the upset)but  I still think its more important to take care of business Sunday.

Not a good sign from jimmy...but maybe he was just taking it easy and being extra cautious. We can only hope. 

[redrum52]

6 minutes ago, January J said:

Not sure about that... Everyone has pretty much ruled out a wildcard berth foir some reason but the dolphins hold the final spot right now so getting the head to head against them is pretty crucial if we don't manage to win the division. Now if he's not ready he's not ready.. And I def don't want to risk him getting further injured... But the dolphins have more targets to be worried about than the patriots IMO... And many have the pats game chalked up as a loss anyway ( although I think we have a good chance at the upset)but  I still think its more important to take care of business Sunday.

Not a good sign from jimmy...but maybe he was just taking it easy and being extra cautious. We can only hope. 

I had it as a loss too... until these injuries started piling up.  And I know about their weapons but question Tannehill.  We'll see. 

[codizzle]

4 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I REALLY hope Jimmy can play this Sunday. Since we put Canady on IR and tried to ruin him by changing his position there's no one to watch develop except Tavon.

Judon, Dixon, Boyle, Orr, Pierce, and plenty of people on ST 

[Cillmatic]

8 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Judon, Dixon, Boyle, Orr, Pierce, and plenty of people on ST 

I was just referring to the secondary.

[VermontRaven]

jimmy was listed as full participant but Hensley's report definitely sounded like he was limited earlier this morning. Good sign that he was listed as full paricipant though

1h1 hour ago

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun

Ravens list CB Jimmy Smith (back) as full participant in today's practice. Bodes well for Sunday return assuming no setbacks.

Jamison HensleyESPN Staff Writer 

Ravens CB Jimmy Smith (back) returned to practice after missing two games. He was limited in drills and didn't look at full strength she he ran.

[Cillmatic]

Either Hensley or Zrebiec are full of it. Those two reports are incompatible.

[VermontRaven]

19 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Either Hensley or Zrebiec are full of it. Those two reports are incompatible.

I'm hoping Hensley's early observations were off because later he said this (similar to Zrebiec)

Jamison HensleyESPN Staff Writer 

It looks like Ravens CB Jimmy Smith is on the path to playing Sunday against Dolphins. He was a full participant in practice Wednesday. Smith has missed last two games with a back injury.

[Ravensdoordie]

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

[hn68wb4]

5 minutes ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

I'd like to respond, but based on your post history and the general ignorance of this post, I think my time is better spent doing literally anything else

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, Ravensdoordie said:

. So someone explain to me what they see in him 

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass...

There.

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd like to respond, but based on your post history and the general ignorance of this post, I think my time is better spent doing literally anything else

Well said.  No need to respond to some of these PS's.  They seem to come out of the woodworks in times like these.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

All I can say is pay better attention. 

Jimmy is easily our top corner and a legit top 10 corner when healthy.

[RavensFan34950]

2 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

This is a serious question. How many games have you watched this year? If you think the defense play's the same with Shareece Wright starting instead of Jimmy, then you shouldn't be taken serious on this board at all. Jimmy gives the defense a huge boost in the secondary whether you see it or not. 

[OUravensfan]

3 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

 

1 hour ago, RavensFan34950 said:

This is a serious question. How many games have you watched this year? If you think the defense play's the same with Shareece Wright starting instead of Jimmy, then you shouldn't be taken serious on this board at all. Jimmy gives the defense a huge boost in the secondary whether you see it or not. 

We win the Giants game this year if Jimmy plays the second half, we possibly beat Dallas, I think we hold onto one of those 2 14 point leads in NE 2 years ago if Jimmy played.

Difference with and without him is night and day.

[Mindtornado]

9 hours ago, Gtown Purple said:

Dolphins are 6th in pass defense and 30th against the run. Its going to be in the 40s and raining on sunday. The run game needs to bust out in a big way. It's been doing better lately but we need it to dominate this week. Dolphin OL is super banged up so really this game comes down to line play.

 

Plus Jimmy is back at practice............

 

If I'm going to stand out in the cold butt rain they better win.............

Our run defense is not good.  Even Suh has had trouble maintaining gap integrity.  As well as Kiko plays, he consistently takes the wrong angle instead of hitting blocker head on if he doesn't have clean look at RB.  We need a real MIKE LB and bump Kiko to the outside.  

Losing Reshad Jones for the season hasn't helped.  He could get right in the box and lay the runner out. 

 

BA and Tunsil were full participants today.   Pouncey wasn't seen during the part of practice that was open to reporters.  

 

Landry Jones caught balls on the sideline all day. Still hopeful he'll play. 

[trevorsteadman]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

All I can say is pay better attention. 

Jimmy is easily our top corner and a legit top 10 corner when healthy.

I would say top 5... Really underrated player and look at what happens when he isn't on the field. It reminds me a little of how the team looks without Mosley or without Suggs. Those 3 guys are the main cogs on the defense without 1 of them the defense gets toasted. 

8 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

 

We win the Giants game this year if Jimmy plays the second half, we possibly beat Dallas, I think we hold onto one of those 2 14 point leads in NE 2 years ago if Jimmy played.

Difference with and without him is night and day.

I totally agree. I don't see Dez getting either one of his touchdowns if Jimmy Smith was there. The secondary was getting toasted which started opening up their run game in the second half. If that doesn't happen I think the Ravens get off the field more. Problem is no team is 100% healthy ever but I do think this team is near the top when the key players are healthy. But it sucks when most these key players are aging veterans and seem to get more and more injuries as their careers get closer to the end. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

Ok. Explain then why we're 2nd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency (against opponents) if they pick up every 3rd down?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

And we're 6th in passing yards allowed per game

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-passing-yards-per-game

 

And our last 2 games without Jimmy we've given up 261 and 299 passing yards.

The previous games with Jimmy we gave up 111, 241, 189, 397*, 250, 199, 168, 242, and 95 yds.

 

* i believe over 200 of the 397 yds came after Jimmy left the game... most by Beckham who ended the game with over 220 yds and 2 TDs; who had 3 catches for 21 yds and 0 TDs prior to that when Jimmy was covering him. This is the most clear sign of how our team changes without Jimmy out there.

 

So, out of our 11 games... the 8.75 lowest passing totals came with Jimmy on the field. The 2.25 highest came with him off. And the Giants literally doubled their passing total in the 1 qtr that Jimmy wasnt on the field.

If that isnt black and white, clear as day (even more clear as day as the eye test should tell you - but youve demonstrated that you dont know what youre watching) then youre just trolling. Which I assume you are and im just wasting my time here, but i imagine there are some who doubt Jimmy's abilities so hopefully this dispels any of that.

[VermontRaven]

16 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok. Explain then why we're 2nd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency (against opponents) if they pick up every 3rd down?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

And we're 6th in passing yards allowed per game

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-passing-yards-per-game

 

And our last 2 games without Jimmy we've given up 261 and 299 passing yards.

The previous games with Jimmy we gave up 111, 241, 189, 397*, 250, 199, 168, 242, and 95 yds.

 

* i believe over 200 of the 397 yds came after Jimmy left the game... most by Beckham who ended the game with over 220 yds and 2 TDs; who had 3 catches for 21 yds and 0 TDs prior to that when Jimmy was covering him. This is the most clear sign of how our team changes without Jimmy out there.

 

So, out of our 11 games... the 8.75 lowest passing totals came with Jimmy on the field. The 2.25 highest came with him off. And the Giants literally doubled their passing total in the 1 qtr that Jimmy wasnt on the field.

If that isnt black and white, clear as day (even more clear as day as the eye test should tell you - but youve demonstrated that you dont know what youre watching) then youre just trolling. Which I assume you are and im just wasting my time here, but i imagine there are some who doubt Jimmy's abilities so hopefully this dispels any of that.

I love it when these troll posters are busted by facts!  Nice job @BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

For some reason I do not see why people think that Jimmy Smith is all that great... I personally do not see it.

most here believe the minute he steps on the field our troubles are over. I have seen him get beat just as many

times as the other corners we have... So someone explain to me what they see in him that I do not.

also, if a team really wants to beat us all they need do is pass... Don 't even attempt to run the ball... 

The ravens can stop the run with no problem... But even if a team runs the ball on the first two downs and still needs 10 

yards or more they usually make it on third down as long as they pass.... 

So regardless if Jimmy Smith plays or not to me doesn't matter.... Any team that passes will beat us with no problem

at all... And can march down a field in a matter of minutes if they do so.... The ravens regardless who we have as corners can not 

stop the passing game of any team with any QB even if it is the worse one in the league....

if the dolphins pass over 75% of the time they win... And the only reason they would not pass then is if their QB's

arm gets tired or he is laughing too hard at the ravens secondary...

That said  hope the ravens somehow manage to run the ball a lot and have success with it so they can keep the 

dolphins off the field.... Then we may have a chance.

I'll say this... Jimmy isn't a great corner. He's a good corner.

The reason why he's so vital to our defense is simple... there is a VERY steep dropoff between him and any replacement level corner we've had on this roster at least the last 2-3 years.

And you simply haven't seen him get beat as many times as our other corners have. You might have think you saw it, but you didn't. 

There's a big difference between seeing what you want to see and seeing what's actually happening. You are suffering from the former, whereas the latter is reality.

[BmoreBird22]

I'd easily argue Jimmy is a top 15 corner and it comes from more than just the steep drop off when he isn't on the field.

Having Jimmy on the defense allows you to rotate safety help away from his side and focus on helping a guy like Tavon Young or Jerraud Powers. 

You get a very good corner who can hold his own in 1 on 1 and allow you to not have to place safety help over the top of his side.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Tavon Young can cover the number one receiver at a high level with Jimmy in, but falls off a cliff when he's not. 

[hereweare]

13 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd easily argue Jimmy is a top 15 corner and it comes from more than just the steep drop off when he isn't on the field.

Having Jimmy on the defense allows you to rotate safety help away from his side and focus on helping a guy like Tavon Young or Jerraud Powers. 

You get a very good corner who can hold his own in 1 on 1 and allow you to not have to place safety help over the top of his side.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Tavon Young can cover the number one receiver at a high level with Jimmy in, but falls off a cliff when he's not. 

Exactly. Jimmy has high football IQ, understands the playbook and does his job extremely well..he's almost always in the right position. He isn't on an island with top dogs, but when he's on the field he knows where his help is and can bracket a top WR extremely well. That allows the defense to do a lot of different things in coverage... One being, as to your point, Tavon receiving strong safety help when covering a wr1.

Edited December 1, 2016 by hereweare

[January J]

15 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd like to respond, but based on your post history and the general ignorance of this post, I think my time is better spent doing literally anything else

Boom. And let the slow clap commence.

 

Wallace is gonna go off and Dixon will see the endzone for the first time Sunday.

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by January J

[VermontRaven]

Jimmy practicing again today

Buck Allen, Lewis, Gillmore, Taliaferro not practicing.  Anybody know what Allen's injury is?  (Suggs and Zuttah vet day off)