Week 12: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly post game discussion/rant Bengals edition!

[playlikeawhat]

More good: Tavon Young's perseverance.  Dude took some bad angles through the day but didn't let it go to his head and pulled off a clutch deflection late.  Hopefully he can build off that through the rest of the season.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Why yes, it was at least 10 other people's fault as well as is. Joe can't block for himself, run for himself, and throw it to himself.

You know who else couldn't do anything with those drives? Steve Smith. Or Mike Wallace. Or Terrance West. Or Kenneth Dixon. Or Dennis Pitta. Or any of the offensive lineman. What were they all doing on those drives?

 

hilarious.  so that's what the argument goes down to.   are you brady's giselle now?

[rudywasoffsides]

10 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea I was listening to a radio interview Owen Daniels did and he was asked about the difference between a Flacco led offense and Manning. He said that Peyton was given more freedom to change things within the offense and Joe wasn't. Now I don't know if it's because the Ravens don't truly trust Flacco, which I find hard to believe or they just don't want a Nascar type offense but it's frustrating at times. 

I love that mentality from Flacco as well. He came out a few years back and was like just put the ball in my hands during the game and allow me to stand before the media and answer questions of why things did or didn't work after the game. That's what you want imo. There has been times when Flacco has voiced his opinion about the tempo of the offense and the coaches listened, I wish they would more. 

How is that hard to believe? Flacco should not be given close to the same type freedom Peyton Manning has. That's laughable. Look at his play over the last 2 years. What has he done to earn more trust? He has just as many bonehead plays as he does brilliant ones. I think his play the last 2 games has been trending up though so I'm hopeful that continues  

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

hilarious.  so that's what the argument goes down to.   are you brady's giselle now?

Its the only argument that has ever mattered. Tom Brady is nothing without the men blocking for him or catching the ball for him. Neither is Montana or any other player you ever want to list.

And the same thing applies on the other side. Jerry Rice isn't in the HOF if he spends a career with Christian Ponder as his QB.

This isn't some revolutionary idea. There's never been such a thing as "a QB single handily carrying his team". There isn't a game in NFL history where that's actually occurred. That's just cute little hyperbole for talking heads to earn a paycheck the next day. It doesn't actually happen in the real world.

Edited November 27, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Jekkutin]

2 hours ago, ravens rule said:

 I think Campanero has to be on the 53 man roster. He can give us immediate production from the slot. Remember he could've went elsewhere so he will get activated soon.

You mean the guy who's been as healthy as Gronk...

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

hilarious.  so that's what the argument goes down to.   are you brady's giselle now?

What does your Flacco measure come down to really? TDs thrown? That's all?

So the 70% completion percentage means nothing right?

The 219 yds mean nothing right? Even though those yds are what even allowed Tucker to take the field for those FG attempts?

The 19 yds rushing means nothing?

We won the game. We won TOP. His completion percentage is good. Not sure what you want here. We all want more TDS rather than FGs. But that isn't all on Flacco.

 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

I guess winning cures all.

[Tank 92]

8 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

What does your Flacco measure come down to really? TDs thrown? That's all?

So the 70% completion percentage means nothing right?

The 219 yds mean nothing right? Even though those yds are what even allowed Tucker to take the field for those FG attempts?

The 19 yds rushing means nothing?

We won the game. We won TOP. His completion percentage is good. Not sure what you want here. We all want more TDS rather than FGs. But that isn't all on Flacco.

 

Don't bother. We could win another SB with Joe and that guy wouldn't like him.  I think Joe may have fired him or something.   lol

[ravensdfan]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Don't bother. We could win another SB with Joe and that guy wouldn't like him.  I think Joe may have fired him or something.   lol

I was just honestly trying to figure out what he wanted.

I don't like Pees. Everyone knows that. But if someone asked what do I want from him, I know the answer. I want today. I want us to look like we want to win the game. I want us to be more aggressive late in the game. Understanding that on some plays, as happened today, that can bite us in the butt. In the long run though, not laying down and giving them everything 10 to 20 yds from the line of scrimmage won us the game. Yeah, the Bengals didn't help themselves. But much of that was the more aggressive play of our defense.

 

[Tank 92]

Just now, ravensdfan said:

I was just honestly trying to figure out what he wanted.

I don't like Pees. Everyone knows that. But if someone asked what do I want from him, I know the answer. I want today. I want us to look like we want to win the game. I want us to be more aggressive late in the game. Understanding that on some plays, as happened today, that can bite us in the butt. In the long run though, not laying down and giving them everything 10 to 20 yds from the line of scrimmage won us the game. Yeah, the Bengals didn't help themselves. But much of that was the more aggressive play of our defense.

 

He wants to not be on the team. that's it.

[cobrajet]

I am so glad we cut Cundiff and kept Tucker. That kid is a great kicker and we are lucky to have him on our team.

[Ravensfan23]

18 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

How is that hard to believe? Flacco should not be given close to the same type freedom Peyton Manning has. That's laughable. Look at his play over the last 2 years. What has he done to earn more trust? He has just as many bonehead plays as he does brilliant ones. I think his play the last 2 games has been trending up though so I'm hopeful that continues  

At what point did I say he should be given the same freedom as Peyton. Please show me. I simply pointed to an interview. My post had nothing to do with Peyton Manning I just mentioned him. What's hard to believe is that the Ravens don't trust Flacco, i said nothing about allowing him to be Peyton Manning. 

When this offense is run uptempo it's Flacco calling the shots at the LOS in most cases. This offense is success when they do that, however the Ravens don't do it often. Throughout his career he's had success with the uptempo style of play and it's probably because that's what he's most comfortable with. He did it in college, he's had great success with it in the NFL, hell even during the AFCG in NE Flacco went into the lockerroom demanded the ball and what happened, the Ravens open the offense up and play near flawless in the 2nd half en-route to a SB berth. I'm not saying Flacco is Peyton Brady or anyone. I'm simply saying when the offense is uptempo it's success. Flacco likes the offense that way and he's successful when operating the offense that way but for whatever reason the coaches like to take the air out of the ball as soon as the offense gets a lead. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Bad: The purchases and stock for Tums, Pepto-Bismol, Zantac and every other stomach gastrointestinal conditions that are triggered or aggravated by emotions just went through the M&T Stadium hole in the roof again. Not having enough of the 'killer instinct' in our scheming to close-out games with an explanation point!!!!

The Good: We broke the 5 game losing streak from the AFC North Defending Champion Bengals and defended our top ranking once again.

The Great: Tucker (Straight MONEY!!!!!), Suggs and the return of Doom, all of the youngsters coming through again (Great F.O. work), the potential of our run offense and again, our AFC North sole possession of 1st Place - Ravens!

[Ravensfan23]

6 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I am so glad we cut Cundiff and kept Tucker. That kid is a great kicker and we are lucky to have him on our team.

I often times think back to that dropped pass by Evans and miss by Cundiff. If those two things don't happen and this team advance to the Super Bowl is JT Money apart of this team?

Blessing in disguise I'd say. 

[ravensdfan]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I often times think back to that dropped pass by Evans and miss by Cundiff. If those two things don't happen and this team advance to the Super Bowl is JT Money apart of this team?

Blessing in disguise I'd say. 

That makes me recall how confident Cundiff was during that camp that he'd keep his job and not lose it to some undrafted guy.

 

I have to add, the really good:

Everyone talking about how we used that "loophole" in the rules today. lmbo Sadly, there will probably be a rule change next year.

Edited November 28, 2016 by ravensdfan

[Ravensfan23]

Just now, ravensdfan said:

That makes me recall how confident Cundiff was during that camp that he'd keep his job and not lose it to some undrafted guy.

The funny part was, he actually had a really strong camp. I think he only missed one kick all camp and none during the preseason. But there was just something about Tucker. 

[flynismo]

Why does every single thread turn into a pissing contest of people whining about Flacco? You know what really took the cake? Multiple people in the game thread actually bashed Flacco for seeing a blitz coming, and audibling out of a pass play to a run. One of you geniuses even sarcastically responded that running the ball is not a correct way to play against a blitz. This is exactly why nobody takes you anti-Flacco people seriously, so for the love of all things holy, can we talk about something other than Flacco?

 

*off soapbox*

[RavensRegime]

Tucker should have Flacco's contract! He's our best player. It's amazing how I get more excited about TUCKER kicking than anything 

our team does! Wow what a weapon.

[ravensdfan]

14 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The funny part was, he actually had a really strong camp. I think he only missed one kick all camp and none during the preseason. But there was just something about Tucker. 

I thought he had one bad day where Tucker outkicked him. I might be mistaken though. Either way, smart decision made there by the FO>coaches.

[Ravenseconbeast]

49 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

What does your Flacco measure come down to really? TDs thrown? That's all?

So the 70% completion percentage means nothing right?

The 219 yds mean nothing right? Even though those yds are what even allowed Tucker to take the field for those FG attempts?

The 19 yds rushing means nothing?

We won the game. We won TOP. His completion percentage is good. Not sure what you want here. We all want more TDS rather than FGs. But that isn't all on Flacco.

 

 

Trent Edwards/Alex Smith can have 70% completion percentage.  Don't mean squat if your not putting points on the board.  If you don't recall Tucker had to Field Goal +50 FGs.   Your not moving the chain.   What relevance does 70% have if he couldn't do squat on drives?

[Tank 92]

                                                                                                             

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Trent Edwards/Alex Smith can have 70% completion percentage.  Don't mean squat if your not putting points on the board.  If you don't recall Tucker had to Field Goal +50 FGs.   Your not moving the chain.   What relevance does 70% have if he couldn't do squat on drives?

No if you're not moving the chains, the FG attempts would be 90 odd yds long.

 

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Trent Edwards/Alex Smith can have 70% completion percentage.  Don't mean squat if your not putting points on the board.  If you don't recall Tucker had to Field Goal +50 FGs.   Your not moving the chain.   What relevance does 70% have if he couldn't do squat on drives?

it means your qb is completing passes when given dropbacks, while penalties and poor OL play and a lack of YAC and inconsistent run game are stifling drives.

[Militant X 1]

32 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

At what point did I say he should be given the same freedom as Peyton. Please show me. I simply pointed to an interview. My post had nothing to do with Peyton Manning I just mentioned him. What's hard to believe is that the Ravens don't trust Flacco, i said nothing about allowing him to be Peyton Manning. 

When this offense is run uptempo it's Flacco calling the shots at the LOS in most cases. This offense is success when they do that, however the Ravens don't do it often. Throughout his career he's had success with the uptempo style of play and it's probably because that's what he's most comfortable with. He did it in college, he's had great success with it in the NFL, hell even during the AFCG in NE Flacco went into the lockerroom demanded the ball and what happened, the Ravens open the offense up and play near flawless in the 2nd half en-route to a SB berth. I'm not saying Flacco is Peyton Brady or anyone. I'm simply saying when the offense is uptempo it's success. Flacco likes the offense that way and he's successful when operating the offense that way but for whatever reason the coaches like to take the air out of the ball as soon as the offense gets a lead. 

I agree!  

Joe has said that he likes this style of play numerous times already.  He says that it helps the offense get into a rhythm-which it does.  To me, they become more confident in their own ability to move the chains consistently.  I don't know why the coaching staff don't script a better offensive scheme around their $120 mil man who has been their starter for 9 seasons and Super Bowl MVP.  Definitely, a lack of trust there somewhere.  But why?

[Ravenseconbeast]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

it means your qb is completing passes when given dropbacks, while penalties and poor OL play and a lack of YAC and inconsistent run game are stifling drives.

 

I watch other games every week and for those that actually watch some football outside of Ravens can see this.  

Im watching the Carolina/Raiders game right now, and TB/Hawks game before and the argument that Flacco has a 'poor line play' is a joke.   He has it good enough to produce.   

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

I watch other games every week and for those that actually watch some football outside of Ravens can see this.  

Im watching the Carolina/Raiders game right now, and TB/Hawks game before and the argument that Flacco has a 'poor line play' is a joke.   He has it good enough to produce.   

i do watch plenty of football outside of the ravens. our poor line play is not a joke, it is atrocious on the interior, they played solid in pass pro today, but once again couldnt get a lick of consistency on the ground as they allow run blitzes to blast right into the backfield untouched and they get zero push to open holes. you are absolutely delusional if you think these OL issues are just made up as an excuse, zuttah is our starting center, vlad ducasse is our starting RG, yanda is playing out of position with one freaking arm. and we are on maybe our 8th or 9th different starting combination this year. 

are you really trying to say that our OL issues are nonexistent and were just all crazy?

[Tank 92]

No B Will in the middle on the Bengals last drive until the last few plays. No coincidence they ran the ball well.  

[Ravenseconbeast]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

i do watch plenty of football outside of the ravens. our poor line play is not a joke, it is atrocious on the interior, they played solid in pass pro today, but once again couldnt get a lick of consistency on the ground as they allow run blitzes to blast right into the backfield untouched and they get zero push to open holes. you are absolutely delusional if you think these OL issues are just made up as an excuse, zuttah is our starting center, vlad ducasse is our starting RG, yanda is playing out of position with one freaking arm. and we are on maybe our 8th or 9th different starting combination this year. 

are you really trying to say that our OL issues are nonexistent and were just all crazy?

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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2

Nope the argument that b/c of the Oline, Joe can't produce is a joke.   Joe's sack #/hit #s are in middle of the pack.   If you are really watching football, what is happening to David Carr?  He got hit so bad they were trying to put him in a locker room, but he is still out there producing.   Same goes for Brady that has a swoll knee and is getting beat up there right now.  Still producing.   

Other QBs face just as much or more adversity than Joe, but Joe is doing jack squat.   You tell me why I should not be arguing about Joe Flacco and complaining about him when he making 120m out there and putting up joke #'s out there compare to rest of the league.   

You are really watching the game right now?  Give me a break.  If you actually had some common logic on your head and I know you do, then you can actually see the results out there right now.   

[jboy19]

Missed the game because I was at the Bucs-Seahawks game, but it looks like Cincinnati won't have to worry about that pesky playoff streak anymore. 

[JoeyFlex5]

25 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2

Nope the argument that b/c of the Oline, Joe can't produce is a joke.   Joe's sack #/hit #s are in middle of the pack.   If you are really watching football, what is happening to David Carr?  He got hit so bad they were trying to put him in a locker room, but he is still out there producing.   Same goes for Brady that has a swoll knee and is getting beat up there right now.  Still producing.   

Other QBs face just as much or more adversity than Joe, but Joe is doing jack squat.   You tell me why I should not be arguing about Joe Flacco and complaining about him when he making 120m out there and putting up joke #'s out there compare to rest of the league.   

You are really watching the game right now?  Give me a break.  If you actually had some common logic on your head and I know you do, then you can actually see the results out there right now.   

so tell me, how does a raw number with zero context prove anything? you can argue that joe hasnt taken as many sacks as other qbs, because hes running for his freaking life and is playing it smart and throwing it away. david carr? you mean derek? the guy that went in the locker room FOR A MISHANDLED SNAP where the BALL dislocated his pinky... wow man, get it together. no im not watching the game right now, im currently at work, but i do watch plenty, difference between me and you is, i know what im watching, you dont.

 

OH and by the way... you post this list of rankings of OLs, and then go on to say that derek carr is getting destroyed and producing despite it and bla bla bla... click on that link, take a look who has the #1 OL according to your numbers.. bravo man, everytime you open your mouth you put your foot in it.

Edited November 28, 2016 by JoeyFlex5