Week 12: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly post game discussion/rant Bengals edition!

[arnie_uk]

Just now, Ravenseconbeast said:

Where is flacco on your 'analysis'  Oh right.  Sorry!

What exactly did he do wrong today? point out specific plays and what he should have done differently.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

He calls out one player, not the whole offense.

Smith stupid penalties.

Oline couldn't block.

Flacco missed a few throws. Still over 70 percent completion percentage again.

Few dropped balls.

Some poor play calling.

Every part of the offense is too blame except dixon and west. 

 

 

 

I called him out b/c his the issue.  Its the same things every week with you and codizzle and the rest of flacco worshippers.   No common sense gets in your head so it is pointless responding.  Its always going to be:  I answer all the questions for 5 threads and flacco worshippers will never respond back to one questions I have for you.   

[Doc]

good Justin Tucker & The W

Bad The Penalties

Ugly The play , but we Won

[ravensdfan]

Offense needs to score TDs sometimes.

Defense came through in the 4th with the game on the line. Shocked and pleased.

It wasn't pretty but that is who we are this season. Happy with the win, that we pretty much finished the Bengals' season, that we are back in the drivers' seat and that I don't have to hear about that 5 game Bengal win streak anymore.

 

[ravensnation5220]

47 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hey. How about we stop with these negative thread names for good games? Promoting a toxic atmosphere for posters to feel like they HAVE to complain rather than coming in here and saying "good job nice win". Its annoying.

I agree. This is why i tend to stay away from these threads. It seems all that comes up is the bad, the ugly and really ugly lol. 

On another note.....time to get adoree jackson ? i even think he could be a better reciever prospect than juju. Didnt mean to bring up draft prospects in this thread but i cant help but think hed bring such a spark to this team. Offense, defense, special teams 

[rudywasoffsides]

I thought Flacco played pretty well today. Seems the last 2.5 games his play has been trending up which bodes well for us. Hopefully we get Wallace more involved next game and keep looking at Perriman too.

The bad: our offensive line is so bad. People on this board love to talk how great Stanley is, but he has shown me absolutely nothing this year. Yanda looks like a shell of his former self, hoping he gets a bit healthier down the stretch because we will need him. Ducasse, Wagner and Zuttah are trash and should be cut next year. 

Ugly: every pass rusher other than Sizzle. We get zero pressure, it's embarrassing

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

What exactly did he do wrong today? point out specific plays and what he should have done differently.

Ignoring the INT, the only real bad play that stuck out today was his scramble at the end of the half.  He took a 4 yard loss instead of throwing it away, and made the FG attempt a bit longer than it had to be.  Of course, Tucker made that pointless, but it was probably Flack's dumbest play of the day.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

He calls out one player, not the whole offense.

Smith stupid penalties.

Oline couldn't block.

Flacco missed a few throws. Still over 70 percent completion percentage again.

Few dropped balls.

Some poor play calling.

Every part of the offense is too blame except dixon and west. 

 

 

O line was actually pretty good in pass protection. Joe had time to throw most of the afternoon.

"A few drops "... you'll have to remind me. I can't recall any drops. When did those occur?

Joe is the leader of this offense. He gets the lions share of the blame along with the credit for when things work.

There is no excuse for scoring three points in the second half. The Bengals stink. We are at home., etc.

[rudywasoffsides]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hey. How about we stop with these negative thread names for good games? Promoting a toxic atmosphere for posters to feel like they HAVE to complain rather than coming in here and saying "good job nice win". Its annoying.

Maybe if we did more good things than bad things in a game this season against any opponent other than the browns, but this team doesn't make it easy to heap praise on like you are suggesting 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, OldToby said:

I think the offense could actually compete if we had a Line. I just think the oline is messing with the rest of the game plan. I think it might be time for Castillo to leave. He had ONE good season, and that's when Kubiak was the implementing his own zone blocking scheme. Love his motivational skills, and assume that might be why he has been kept here so long but we have had some major oline trouble the past couple years with him here. 

Castillo isn't a coordinator. What do people not understand about this... 

He has created starters out of: a first round rookie LT, a 4th round rookie OT converted to guard, a 5th round rookie in wagner, he has developed 2 of the better backup interior linemen in the league in urschel and yanda. He played a big part in developing KO. 

What he hasn't had? Consistency, health, talent. His well developed players are dropping like flies due to injury. The FO has given him high end talent TWICE in his whole tenure here. 

Im sorry, but castillos long track record of developing successful linmen and reputation of being one of the most well liked coaches in the whole league and the continuation of both of those things in Baltimore would make these accusations look like nothing more than scapegoating.

[K-Dog]

54 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Anthony Levine is killing us with penalties on special teams . 

Him and a host of others really.

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Did you mean to quote me?

Yeah, you mentioned flaccos 70 percent completion and then went on to say that everyone but West and Dixon deserve blame. I don't know how flacco deserves blame, he played a good game today for the 3rd straight week.

Maybe I misunderstood you?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

West has been special this year and I believe he is going to be a key part for the next few years. 

Dixon is going to be special I really believe both Dixon and West are key pieces going forward the next few years same with Wallace.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, OUravensfan said:

 

Dalton is definitely the mos overrated QB. He is terrible, he's a joke without Green

I was just happy there was no chance of a AJ Green hail mary. I looked away from the screen at one point and turned back to see a replay of AJ Green's Hail Mary back in 2013 and almost lost my mind. 

[arnie_uk]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah, you mentioned flaccos 70 percent completion and then went on to say that everyone but West and Dixon deserve blame. I don't know how flacco deserves blame, he played a good game today for the 3rd straight week.

Maybe I misunderstood you?

Read the post i originally quoted, then you'll realise you should have quoted him not me.

Flacco isn't lighting the world on fire, he's not the one and only person to blame for our offensive woes this season the post it started with said.

If anything I defended him

Edited November 27, 2016 by arnie_uk

[Ravenseconbeast]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Ignoring the INT, the only real bad play that stuck out today was his scramble at the end of the half.  He took a 4 yard loss instead of throwing it away, and made the FG attempt a bit longer than it had to be.  Of course, Tucker made that pointless, but it was probably Flack's dumbest play of the day.

 

Flacco's great drive @ 4th quarter with 5 minute left.  Score was 12 to 19.  I would argue that was a pivotal moment to secure a win.  Instead the play goes: 

Hand the ball to T.West = no gain

Underthrows easy dink to Jusczcyk for 5 yards, incomplete.  Bad dink to Pitta for 9 yards.  3 and out.  The drive lasted a little over 1minute and 12 seconds.  Then we had to batt 5 passes from Andy Dalton to save our team from choking.    

I could also remember another drive right after our 1st TD drive.   The very next offensive drive w/ another 3 and out.   This time a 'no huddle' play that every flaccopologist likes.   Short dink to Dixon.  Incomplete.  Then throws it to Dixon w/ exact same play.  Negative yard gain.  Then Dump it to run T.West negative gain.

Lasts less than 1minute and half.  

  

[arnie_uk]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Ignoring the INT, the only real bad play that stuck out today was his scramble at the end of the half.  He took a 4 yard loss instead of throwing it away, and made the FG attempt a bit longer than it had to be.  Of course, Tucker made that pointless, but it was probably Flack's dumbest play of the day.

The interception isn't even his fault, not that You said it was.

If it's his fault and not just a great play by dunlap, then we can't give our defense any credit whatsoever for our 4 tips in the final drive. That's all Daltons fault as well.

He had a couple great throws. Perrimans tough drop, the pass to wallace with all the yac was beautifully floated over burfict to name a few

[arnie_uk]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Flacco's great drive @ 4th quarter with 5 minute left.  Score was 12 to 19.  I would argue that was a pivotal moment to secure a win.  Instead the play goes: 

Hand the ball to T.West = no gain

Underthrows easy dink to Jusczcyk for 5 yards, incomplete.  Bad dink to Pitta for 9 yards.  3 and out.  The drive lasted a little over 1minute and 12 seconds.  Then we had to batt 5 passes from Andy Dalton to save our team from choking.    

I could also remember another drive right after our 1st TD drive.   The very next offensive drive w/ another 3 and out.   This time a 'no huddle' play that every flaccopologist likes.   Short dink to Dixon.  Incomplete.  Then throws it to Dixon w/ exact same play.  Negative yard gain.  Then Dump it to run T.West negative gain.

Lasts less than 1minute and half.  

  

 

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

That final drive with the first down run, the unblocked mlb up the middle on second down so he throws it away and then pitta not making the sticks on third down?

That drive?

What planet are you on? the second down to juice he had s free runner coming right for him immediately after the snap, he threw the ball away, juice wasn't even looking he threw it so quick.

And since when is it the qbs fault for a tight end or receiver not hitting the sticks on a route?

[Tornado700]

If it were not for the Weddle interception, no one would be ruffling feathers. So, was it even worth it? I say naaaaaay.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Read the post i originally quoted, then you'll realise you should have quoted him not me.

Flacco isn't lighting the world on fire, he's not the one and only person to blame for our offensive woes this season the post it started with said.

If anything I defended him

Oh ok yeah I just misunderstood then lol. I thought you were acknowledging his good performance and then following it up with "but he missed 3 throws so he's at fault" lol

[rmcjacket23]

49 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

lol won't debate you on that, but when you're almost at the league average, given their receiving contact in the backfield or contact right at the line, than I'll take that. This is 100% on the interior OL. Zuttah is garbage, Ducasse has never been even a decent run blocker and Yanda is banged up and forced to play the other side at that. Personally I pay it at Castillo feet,  but just watching the games and given the contact early you gotta tip your hat to those 2(West and Dixon). 

I never said it wasn't an offensive line issue... it has been pretty much the whole season.

Certainly not going to put it on coaching. Castillo isn't getting them to do anything that plenty of other teams aren't teaching as well.

At the end of the day, as it almost always does, it falls 100% on the players. Coaches coach and players play.

[arnie_uk]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh ok yeah I just misunderstood then lol. I thought you were acknowledging his good performance and then following it up with "but he missed 3 throws so he's at fault" lol

Nah, he was being blamed entirely. I acknowledged he missed a few but still had over 70 percent. I'll take that every week

[Ravensfan23]

49 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I agree with your entire post here.  I believe that it is coaching.  Joe wants to open up this offense...LET HIM!!  People keep talking about how he isn't worth his contract.  Well, he has to be given that trust from these coaches.  9 years as the Ravens starting QB and a SuperBowl run and win has at least earned him that I'd think?  Joe has always been an unemotional type of cat on the sidelines but the one thing that I love about this dude is that he wants to blow teams out!  He really want to get out on teams early to put them away.  I love that mentality!

Yea I was listening to a radio interview Owen Daniels did and he was asked about the difference between a Flacco led offense and Manning. He said that Peyton was given more freedom to change things within the offense and Joe wasn't. Now I don't know if it's because the Ravens don't truly trust Flacco, which I find hard to believe or they just don't want a Nascar type offense but it's frustrating at times. 

I love that mentality from Flacco as well. He came out a few years back and was like just put the ball in my hands during the game and allow me to stand before the media and answer questions of why things did or didn't work after the game. That's what you want imo. There has been times when Flacco has voiced his opinion about the tempo of the offense and the coaches listened, I wish they would more. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

For me this was another great game in our division.

Offense looks better with each of the last 3 games.

Yanda is just a beast. hurt and still getting down field and making blocks

Perrimen for showing growth and helping in the win.

Penalty county has came down again.

SSS, where does that fire come from.. lol

Could not ask for more from this group of guys. Is a great game anytime we get the Big W.

[Ravenseconbeast]

13 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

 

What planet are you on? the second down to juice he had s free runner coming right for him immediately after the snap, he threw the ball away, juice wasn't even looking he threw it so quick.

And since when is it the qbs fault for a tight end or receiver not hitting the sticks on a route?

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh right.   Its juice fault.  Then its Pitta's fault.    Now ill ask you a question.   

@ cowboys game. How come Flacco can't throw a TD after 1st drive?   If I remember correctly he couldn't throw one @ cowboys game after 1st TD also.   He had 4 more drives on 1st half.  What did he do with those drives?  

@ this Bengals game one 1TD that also came on 1st drive.  Then after that what happens?  for another extra  TEN freaking drives Flacco couldn't do anything with it.   Was that all 'someone elses fault' on that one too? 
 

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Flacco's great drive @ 4th quarter with 5 minute left.  Score was 12 to 19.  I would argue that was a pivotal moment to secure a win.  Instead the play goes: 

Hand the ball to T.West = no gain

Underthrows easy dink to Jusczcyk for 5 yards, incomplete.  Bad dink to Pitta for 9 yards.  3 and out.  The drive lasted a little over 1minute and 12 seconds.  Then we had to batt 5 passes from Andy Dalton to save our team from choking.    

I could also remember another drive right after our 1st TD drive.   The very next offensive drive w/ another 3 and out.   This time a 'no huddle' play that every flaccopologist likes.   Short dink to Dixon.  Incomplete.  Then throws it to Dixon w/ exact same play.  Negative yard gain.  Then Dump it to run T.West negative gain.

Lasts less than 1minute and half.  

  

And naturally all of those plays are on Joe. That first down run for no gain... definitely on Joe. The 9 yard completion to Pitta is on Joe as well... Brady is going to the HOF based on plays just like that... completes a 7 yard pass on 3rd down and his receiver runs for 5 more. Except Pitta didn't, but that's on Joe.

You also might want to go back to the film room. The second paragraph you are referencing didn't happen anywhere near how you describe it. 

The drive after our TD drive we kicked a FG. Joe actually was fine on that drive... we started at the CIN 36 and drove down to the 14 yard line on mostly Joe throws. We then ran the ball twice for 5 yards, Joe was sacked on 3rd down, and Steve Smith got a 15 yard penalty for the Burfict "flop". We then kicked a FG to go up 10-0. That was the next drive after the TD.

The drive after that Joe was picked off on the tipped pass, and the drive after that we had a 7 play, 35 yard drive that resulted in a punt. Included in that drive was a crucial 16 yard 3rd down run by a certain QB who shall remain nameless.

We actually didn't go 3 and out until the 5th drive of the game. Joe completed a 9 yard pass on first down, and then we had back-to-back negative running plays that forced a punt.

So whatever drive you are referencing there, it didn't actually happen in this football game.

Edited November 27, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[arnie_uk]

4 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Oh right.   Its juice fault.  Then its Pitta's fault.    Now ill ask you a question.   

@ cowboys game. How come Flacco can't throw a TD after e.1st drive?   If I remember correctly he couldn't throw one @ cowboys game after 1st TD also.   He had 4 more drives on 1st half.  What did he do with those drives?  

@ this Bengals game one 1TD that also came on 1st drive.  Then after that what happens?  for another extra  TEN freaking drives Flacco couldn't do anything with it.   Was that all 'someone elses fault' on that one too? 
 

 

            

[garfield207]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Oh right.   Its juice fault.  Then its Pitta's fault.    Now ill ask you a question.   

How come Flacco can't throw a TD after 1st drive?   If I remember correctly he couldn't throw one @ cowboys game after 1st TD also.   He had 4 more drives on 1st half@ cowboys 1st TD on 1st half.   

This game one 1TD that also came one 1st drive.  Then for another extra TEN drives on bengals game after first TD he couldn't do anything with it.   Was it all 'someone elses fault' on that one too? 
 

 

Yes, I was wondering about it too.  Why can't Flacco block, throw and then run to end zone to catch his own pass?  It's all his fault.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Oh right.   Its juice fault.  Then its Pitta's fault.    Now ill ask you a question.   

@ cowboys game. How come Flacco can't throw a TD after 1st drive?   If I remember correctly he couldn't throw one @ cowboys game after 1st TD also.   He had 4 more drives on 1st half.  What did he do with those drives?  

@ this Bengals game one 1TD that also came on 1st drive.  Then after that what happens?  for another extra  TEN freaking drives Flacco couldn't do anything with it.   Was that all 'someone elses fault' on that one too? 
 

 

Why yes, it was at least 10 other people's fault as well as is. Joe can't block for himself, run for himself, and throw it to himself.

You know who else couldn't do anything with those drives? Steve Smith. Or Mike Wallace. Or Terrance West. Or Kenneth Dixon. Or Dennis Pitta. Or any of the offensive lineman. What were they all doing on those drives?

[Grapple Raven]

9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea I was listening to a radio interview Owen Daniels did and he was asked about the difference between a Flacco led offense and Manning. He said that Peyton was given more freedom to change things within the offense and Joe wasn't. Now I don't know if it's because the Ravens don't truly trust Flacco, which I find hard to believe or they just don't want a Nascar type offense but it's frustrating at times. 

I love that mentality from Flacco as well. He came out a few years back and was like just put the ball in my hands during the game and allow me to stand before the media and answer questions of why things did or didn't work after the game. That's what you want imo. There has been times when Flacco has voiced his opinion about the tempo of the offense and the coaches listened, I wish they would more. 

Totally agree Ravensfan23!