Week 12: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly post game discussion/rant Bengals edition!

[Grapple Raven]

8 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

And this is what just urks and pisses me off about the Ravens coaching staff!  To be a beast...you have to play like a beast!  You put your foot on teams necks and you keep applying the pressure by scoring and scoring and scoring!  You give them no hope of winning the game and break their spirits to win!  I'd love to see the Ravens be that team but they're not!

Listening to Joe's presser he agrees with ya Mili, makes me wonder who is holding this offense back. 

[CalvinSmoke]

Didn't get to watch this game. But I saw a lot of field goals, and a lot of nice runs followed by negative runs. What happened? Cause we can't rely on our defense to keep good teams under 20 points can we?

[edthehead]

good bad and ugly

Phenomenal - Justin sorry Mr. Justin Tucker,

Great - wow, so many Mr. T Sizzle ,  K,Dixon, the whole defensive linemen , Mr Justin Tucker (again)

Good - we have a division win, Mr Justin Tucker (again)

Bad -  coaches not getting that challenge until cincy called time out, Mr. Justin Tucker not getting a chance at the record

Ugly- offense way to inconsistent (1 TD)  Penalties are killing us and the coaches seem like they are not getting it under control

     We are not finding enough ways to get Mr.Justin Tucker leg on the football

Really ugly - hester, why can't Mr Justin Tucker leg play offense, we need him

this is my ode to justin tucker great game and we are proud of you.

 

[hn68wb4]

Just now, CalvinSmoke said:

Didn't get to watch this game. But I saw a lot of field goals, and a lot of nice runs followed by negative runs. What happened? Cause we can't rely on our defense to keep good teams under 20 points can we?

At full strength we can expect to keep good teams under 20, but our secondary without Jimmy just takes a big step back. Weddle had a terrible dropped interception, Tavon got abused all day and committed some PI penalties, and our pass rush once again was inconsistent. On offense it's the same story, different game, no blocking but Dixon and West did about as well as you could ask for given the circumstances.

[DomMcRaven]

19 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

The good:  Burfict did kill anyone!

The ugly? His pathetic flop. 

[hn68wb4]

2 minutes ago, edthehead said:

Really ugly - hester

Did Hester steal your lunch money or something? he played objectively well today

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

And this is what just urks and pisses me off about the Ravens coaching staff!  To be a beast...you have to play like a beast!  You put your foot on teams necks and you keep applying the pressure by scoring and scoring and scoring!  You give them no hope of winning the game and break their spirits to win!  I'd love to see the Ravens be that team but they're not!

Yea especially when you have guys like Wallace, Perriman and SSS who have proven they can win downfield. I'd like to take a few more shots once the offense gets across the 50. I know defenses are playing against the Ravens going deep, but you can still stretch the defense both deep and wide with the type of speed the Ravens have. If you have Wallace and Perriman on the same side of the field, one runs a post while the other runs a 9 or a corner, that turns 2 deep or 3 deep into man cover really quickly and if they can cover that deep, it leaves SSS, Dixon and the TEs with plenty space. 

I'm listening to Flacco right now and he basically said the same thing. The offense lost it's tempo and they had the opportunity to put them away. I have to think it comes from Harbs, just kind of sticking with that Ravens way, because it doesn't matter who the OC is, if this team gets a 10-14 point lead the air comes out of the ball.

I think you can still run the ball and be aggressive in the passing game. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Hey. How about we stop with these negative thread names for good games? Promoting a toxic atmosphere for posters to feel like they HAVE to complain rather than coming in here and saying "good job nice win". Its annoying.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Didn't get to watch this game. But I saw a lot of field goals, and a lot of nice runs followed by negative runs. What happened? Cause we can't rely on our defense to keep good teams under 20 points can we?

Offensive line had a respectable day in pass blocking, and a horrible one in run blocking.

Run game "success" (loosely described as such) was based on West and Dixon breaking like 100 tackles, which won't happen every week.

Defense overall played well but as usual had like 1-2 drives where it appeared to be asleep.

[terrynjulia03]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

My bad: Still the running game.

We do what fans want, which is quantity of runs, but really don't see where the quality is.

27 designed runs for under 100 yards (96 yards). That's 3.5 YPC. That's not very effective.

Our QB was tied for the longest run of the game, and we are complete garbage running the ball when the defense is playing the run.

We had a 2nd and 1 and a 3rd and 3 on back to back plays. We ran the ball... we lost 4 yards.

2nd and 2 in the 4th quarter... run for a loss of 2 yards.

I believe by my count we had 5 runs on the day for negative yardage. That's almost 20% of all running plays.

Does anybody really think the more "balanced" approach was effective today?

 

I don't mean to nitpick but West and Dixon were 3.7 and 3.8 ypc respectively. And TBH neither got skewed stats by 1 huge run. Cincinnati has a pretty good front, even though they haven't been playing well. But almost 4 ypc and not skewed by a big run or 2 I'd say is success. Personally, it's BS when you have someone getting a 4.whatever ypc because they get a lucky 50+ yard run. Than take that away and it's 2.something. I'd rather have that honest 3.7 over a BS higher number. 

[OUravensfan]

29 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Offense is terrible. Tucker is God. Harbaugh's getting fined. On to Miami!

 

25 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If you look it's "the offensive" as in the people blaming Flacco are the ugly ones..

 

Also Andy Dalton = offensive. Want to talk about an actual overrated QB. No QB in the NFL is more overrated than Dalton

Dalton is definitely the mos overrated QB. He is terrible, he's a joke without Green

[allblackraven]

Lol. Tucker at presser "Smells like up dog in here". reporter: "What's up dog?" 

[Grapple Raven]

Just now, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea especially when you have guys like Wallace, Perriman and SSS who have proven they can win downfield. I'd like to take a few more shots once the offense gets across the 50. I know defenses are playing against the Ravens going deep, but you can still stretch the defense both deep and wide with the type of speed the Ravens have. If you have Wallace and Perriman on the same side of the field, one runs a post while the other runs a 9 or a corner, that turns 2 deep or 3 deep into man cover really quickly and if they can cover that deep, it leaves SSS, Dixon and the TEs with plenty space. 

I'm listening to Flacco right now and he basically said the same thing. The offense lost it's tempo and they had the opportunity to put them away. I have to think it comes from Harbs, just kind of sticking with that Ravens way, because it doesn't matter who the OC is, if this team gets a 10-14 point lead the air comes out of the ball.

I think you can still run the ball and be aggressive in the passing game. 

Agreed!  If you listen to Joe's pressers carefully he will actually tell ya what is going on if you know how to read btw the lines.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

He calls out one player, not the whole offense.

Smith stupid penalties.

Oline couldn't block.

Flacco missed a few throws. Still over 70 percent completion percentage again.

Few dropped balls.

Some poor play calling.

Every part of the offense is too blame except dixon and west. 

 

 

Over 70 percent completion and you wanna throw blame at him because one ball was swatted and he missed maybe 3 throws? Do you watch other teams and see how common 3 or more missed throws per game is? Did you pay attention when Dalton was on t he field? 

 

[jimmypowder]

Tucker is without a doubt the best kicker in the NFL . 

Weddle could have sealed this game early with an easy pick and plenty of space to run . It was possibly the easiest pick I have ever seen dropped x 

Edited November 27, 2016 by jimmypowder

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

13 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

And this is what just urks and pisses me off about the Ravens coaching staff!  To be a beast...you have to play like a beast!  You put your foot on teams necks and you keep applying the pressure by scoring and scoring and scoring!  You give them no hope of winning the game and break their spirits to win!  I'd love to see the Ravens be that team but they're not!

They have never had the put the nails in the coffin mentality. I honestly don't know why. I do know some people think it's unsportsmanlike to play that way I dont know if Harbs is one that thinks that way but I believe the other team has a defense on the field it's up to them to stop the opposing team if they don't like being scored on.   I would love the Ravens to run the score up but this team just seems to have a tough enough time putting up points on the board to get the win. I totally agree with you it would be nice to see a team winning by breaking the other teams spirits.

[Militant X 1]

26 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

Listening to Joe's presser he agrees with ya Mili, makes me wonder who is holding this offense back. 

I see that Grapple!

Well, even Joe said that they went "conservative".  That's coaching to me!  They are holding this offense back and I don't know why.  IF, Joe has said (which he has) that he loves the uptempo, fast-paced, no huddle approach to jumping out on teams quickly and to extend leads...why not tailor-make the offense around that?  Sure, I love the ground and pound like the next man and you can still mix in runs but damn...UNLEASH THE BEAST!  And then, keep your foot on teams necks to finish the game early.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Militant X 1

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, terrynjulia03 said:

I don't mean to nitpick but West and Dixon were 3.7 and 3.8 ypc respectively. And TBH neither got skewed stats by 1 huge run. Cincinnati has a pretty good front, even though they haven't been playing well. But almost 4 ypc and not skewed by a big run or 2 I'd say is success. Personally, it's BS when you have someone getting a 4.whatever ypc because they get a lucky 50+ yard run. Than take that away and it's 2.something. I'd rather have that honest 3.7 over a BS higher number. 

Except it really wasn't an "honest" YPC average. As I said earlier, you had 4-5 negative runs for those two guys. The only reason those numbers were inflated is because they both had a couple of like 15 yard runs.

On the season, those two guys are in the 3.8 YPC range, meaning today was basically the exact same as what they've been doing all season, which is nothing spectacular.

Teams that are average running the ball are in the 4.2 YPC range consistently pretty much. We're not there. If we think that averaging 4.0 is a good day, that's a dead giveaway that our running game isn't where we want it to be. It just means we lowered the bar and are trying to come in just over it.

 

[jimmypowder]

Anthony Levine is killing us with penalties on special teams . 

[Grapple Raven]

3 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I see that Grapple!

Well, even Joe said that they went "conservative".  That's coaching to me cause!  They are holding this offense back and I don't know why.  IF, Joe has said (which he has) that he loves the uptempo, fast-paced, no huddle approach to jumping out on teams quickly and to extend leads...why not tailor-make the offense around that?  Sure, I love the ground and pound like the next man and you can still mix in runs but damn...UNLEASH THE BEAST!  And then, keep your foot on teams necks to finish the game early.

I'm with ya Mili!  It just baffles me beyond no end, I just don't get it.  I swear it seems like we have an aversion to scoring. I got an idea that I will share with ya though.

[iceripper]

Great: Tucker

Good: Dline batting down passes. Suggs' and Doom's strip sacks. Playdesigns: Wallace wide open in the backfield, and Pees used some new fronts.

Bad: still not enough offensive output

[DomMcRaven]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Over 70 percent completion and you wanna throw blame at him because one ball was swatted and he missed maybe 3 throws? Do you watch other teams and see how common 3 or more missed throws per game is? Did you pay attention when Dalton was on t he field? 

 

I blame Flacco for getting his ball swatted.

/sarcasm (I think it's how you do it?)

[Jacquouille]

I just came here to point out how impressed I am by Dixon. Once he has proper blocking in front of him he's going to be phenomenal. 

[Militant X 1]

10 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea especially when you have guys like Wallace, Perriman and SSS who have proven they can win downfield. I'd like to take a few more shots once the offense gets across the 50. I know defenses are playing against the Ravens going deep, but you can still stretch the defense both deep and wide with the type of speed the Ravens have. If you have Wallace and Perriman on the same side of the field, one runs a post while the other runs a 9 or a corner, that turns 2 deep or 3 deep into man cover really quickly and if they can cover that deep, it leaves SSS, Dixon and the TEs with plenty space. 

I'm listening to Flacco right now and he basically said the same thing. The offense lost it's tempo and they had the opportunity to put them away. I have to think it comes from Harbs, just kind of sticking with that Ravens way, because it doesn't matter who the OC is, if this team gets a 10-14 point lead the air comes out of the ball.

I think you can still run the ball and be aggressive in the passing game. 

I agree with your entire post here.  I believe that it is coaching.  Joe wants to open up this offense...LET HIM!!  People keep talking about how he isn't worth his contract.  Well, he has to be given that trust from these coaches.  9 years as the Ravens starting QB and a SuperBowl run and win has at least earned him that I'd think?  Joe has always been an unemotional type of cat on the sidelines but the one thing that I love about this dude is that he wants to blow teams out!  He really want to get out on teams early to put them away.  I love that mentality!

8 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

Agreed!  If you listen to Joe's pressers carefully he will actually tell ya what is going on if you know how to read btw the lines.

He does all the time.

4 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

They have never had the put the nails in the coffin mentality. I honestly don't know why. I do know some people think it's unsportsmanlike to play that way I dont know if Harbs is one that thinks that way but I believe the other team has a defense on the field it's up to them to stop the opposing team if they don't like being scored on.   I would love the Ravens to run the score up but this team just seems to have a tough enough time putting up points on the board to get the win. I totally agree with you it would be nice to see a team winning by breaking the other teams spirits.

It's not unsportsmanlike to me either.  When the offense has the ball, the mentality should be it's our job to score and the defense's job to stop me.  Good luck with that cause I'm about to break your spirit and will to win!

[codizzle]

Still need to clean up penalties.. too many drives killed by unnecessary penalties 

-oline needs to be a tad better 

-need Doom to be at least 75% of his old self down the stretch 

-Boyle being back was a huge plus.. hopefully that'll free up pitta to work middle of field more 

-need to utilize no huddle on a few more drives. It seems to be about the only thing that will get offense going 

-got to get quicker pressure when bringing 5+... too often middle gets eaten up and guys don't win one on one outside 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, DomMcRaven said:

I blame Flacco for getting his ball swatted.

/sarcasm (I think it's how you do it?)

Yes. Well done lol

[terrynjulia03]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Except it really wasn't an "honest" YPC average. As I said earlier, you had 4-5 negative runs for those two guys. The only reason those numbers were inflated is because they both had a couple of like 15 yard runs.

On the season, those two guys are in the 3.8 YPC range, meaning today was basically the exact same as what they've been doing all season, which is nothing spectacular.

Teams that are average running the ball are in the 4.2 YPC range consistently pretty much. We're not there. If we think that averaging 4.0 is a good day, that's a dead giveaway that our running game isn't where we want it to be. It just means we lowered the bar and are trying to come in just over it.

 

lol won't debate you on that, but when you're almost at the league average, given their receiving contact in the backfield or contact right at the line, than I'll take that. This is 100% on the interior OL. Zuttah is garbage, Ducasse has never been even a decent run blocker and Yanda is banged up and forced to play the other side at that. Personally I pay it at Castillo feet,  but just watching the games and given the contact early you gotta tip your hat to those 2(West and Dixon). 

[garfield207]

58 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Another garbage performance by Joe Flacco.   Had over 13 drives to do something.   Last drive he had to keep the drives going.  Instead he only lasted a full minute and 12 seconds.   By some miracle we batted +5 balls off of Dalton on that last drive and stripped him off his ball.   Miracle defense play.   

Worse than Kyle Boller in every shape and form possible by Joe Fluker.   I told you he wasn't going to do squat after 1st drive.   He nearly ended our season.  Glad we are still alive.  Thanks to the Defense!

Joe could have 100% completions and 5 touchdowns, you would still find something to blame on Joe.  Come on, man!  Be a little bit objective.  Equating Joe with Boller... SMH...It sounds like you have some personal animosity towards Joe. 

[arnie_uk]

31 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Over 70 percent completion and you wanna throw blame at him because one ball was swatted and he missed maybe 3 throws? Do you watch other teams and see how common 3 or more missed throws per game is? Did you pay attention when Dalton was on t he field? 

 

Did you mean to quote me?

Edited November 27, 2016 by arnie_uk

[Ravenseconbeast]

22 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Still need to clean up penalties.. too many drives killed by unnecessary penalties 

-oline needs to be a tad better 

-need Doom to be at least 75% of his old self down the stretch 

-Boyle being back was a huge plus.. hopefully that'll free up pitta to work middle of field more 

-need to utilize no huddle on a few more drives. It seems to be about the only thing that will get offense going 

-got to get quicker pressure when bringing 5+... too often middle gets eaten up and guys don't win one on one outside 

 

Where is flacco on your 'analysis'  Oh right.  Sorry!