[News] Late For Work 11/23: Early Ravens Contract Watching For 2017

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16 hours ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

"joe has played well since getting his contract"

See, right there you just lost all credibility. By no standard whatsoever has Joe played consistently well after the SB win, at least not as you'd expect from the 4th highest paid QB. 14th, maybe. Definitely not from 4th. Your comment is ideal example of naive fans unable of any rational criticism. 

 

Sure. Coaching could be better. Other offensive players could be better. But that's my whole point, a QB who needs elite O-line, league leading running game, superstar WRs and a masterpiece of a game plan and playcalling that would allow him to make throws should not get paid the way Flacco gets paid. 

 

Even Osweiler looked good in Kubiak's system with perfect pieces around him last year, that does not make him a good QB who can carry a team. Same with Flacco. Alas, he's getting paid like someone who should be pulling games out solely on his own abilities.

Edited November 25, 2016 by RaRaRavens
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12 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Ra ra, Your points seem to be about play on the field are true...but are really not the same situation as current contract issues. Unless you are saying to FIRE Joe Flacco. That is probably not going to happen. The real issue is that Joe has a negotiated contract for a QB position in the NFL because he is a Super Bowl winning quarterback with multi play-off wins that is comparable with other peers in his field ( aka Russel Wilson (7-3) Drew Brees (4-6) Aaron Rogers (4-6), Eli Manning ( 7-3), and even others who haven't won a SB making a payday very similar ( Carson Palmer (4-5) Matt Ryan (6-4), Andrew Luck (5-5) Phillip Rivers (4-6). Terms like "Payday" and the "big contract" occur to QB's and often key players its just the nature of the beast. He is absolutely not having a good season this year, no doubt. He could improve those statistics, maybe, maybe not. But it will not change next year for the Ravens when it comes to Joe Flacco, that's for sure. So the article really focuses on the rest of the team, the UFA and the caps that may need to be looked at. If some of the other "pay day" earners were to step up it may go a long way.... Go Ravens

Yes, I think you probably understand me correctly. My issue isn't with Flacco per se, it's with his contract not being on par with his playing level. And that in turn has an effect on the rest of the team, because we can't afford other valuable pieces.

Yes, he did earn a big payday with the SB win. He was very fortunate to have it happen on his last contract year. And I would not have a problem with the buck he's making, if he would play good. But he's not, at lest not consistently enough. Most of the time he is playing barely on an adequate level. Some times he's playing well. Some times he's playing awful. Yet he's getting payed like a top 4 QB, which he is not. 

I can't stress it enough, it would not be an issue, and he would probably play better if we could afford better players around him. But we can't, because of Flacco's salary. Flacco's salary would probably not be an issue to me, if he would play better, which he is not. 

The way I see it, we are in a really shtty stalemate with Flacco and his salary - he doesn't play well, because he doesn't have good enough players around him. He doesn't have good enough players around him, because he's getting paid top money. And if we were able to afford good players around him, he too would play well and earn top money.

And like you said, we can't fire him. That's why I'm afraid, that unless Flacco starts playing the way he usually does in the playoffs, we'll be in for 4-6 years of mediocrity, until something changes with Flacco's salary or the cap jumps significantly.

Edited November 25, 2016 by RaRaRavens
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  On November 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM, bigcatfrank1 said:

  On November 24, 2016 at 1:04 PM, JamesA119 said:

  On November 24, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Mahatma_Sloth said:

  On November 24, 2016 at 1:58 AM, RaRaRavens said:

  On November 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

Lets just put it another way.....Imagine this Ravens team with Priest Holmes, Shannon Sharpe, Ed Reed and Rod Woodson. It really is about playmakers!

How unrealistic! So the Ravens nation would have to wait for the second coming of Holmes, Sharpe, Reed, and Woodson. What a nirvana!
It'll be much simpler if the players we have just elevate their games.

We got a combination of old guys, mediocre guys, good guys who can't stay healthy and rookies. Its really about the coaching honestly though, Marty and Pees are just not good coaches.