[News] Late For Work 11/23: Early Ravens Contract Watching For 2017

[steelcityraven]

A few guys that I realy don't want to lose next season:

1. Brandon Williams- I know Pierce is playing great and we have drafted both Carl Davis and W Henry but Brandon Williams is a superstar who shuts the middle of the field down. He don't have the fantasy stats but in real football he is the real deal

2. Rick Wagner. - We know he can play and play at a high level. We also know that he is young and has a great work ethic. Would love to find a way to keep Wags here.

3. Ryan Mallet- He has proven to be a capable backup and has looked good in Joes absence. He is a valuable asset to us

4. I know that with Carl Davis and Henry drafted... with Urban playing decent.. that leaves LGuy as expendable but - he is solid. Not flashy at all but reminds me a little of a Jarrett Johnson type of player. Just solid and dependable.

The not priority list but the wish list:

1. Juice... we don't really need him but he is a nice short yardage weapon to have. We just don't include him much in a very vanilla offense.

2. I would love to keep V. Ducasse. - I think he can play ball. Clearly with Urschel, Jensen and now Alex Lewis (who can play G) ... Ducasse is not needed but he has looked solid and that is with little reps.

3. Levine... he has been a quality ST guy and can step up and play DB or LB... but clearly not a starter and not someone who should demand a big pay day

The ones to let go:

1. DHester... unless something changes between now and the end of season... It just looks like he has lost that step

2. JPowers.... Has not been anything near what we hoped from him and with Tavon and Canaday... we will not need Powers next season

3. Kamar- I know this is not popular - especially with SSS set to retire but he is clearly not a difference maker and my fear is that if we keep him we do not make drafting a WR a high enough priority (or bringing in another FA). We need a dangerous crop of WRs and Kamar is not that. (Wallace and Moore and maybe even Perriman have that potential... while Kamar just don't put fear into anyone)

4. Elam... Was hoping he would prove me wrong... just not seeing anything from him. ITs time to move on from Elam.

5. Asa Jackson... I know he was only a temporary fix but lets not try to make him a fixer upper.

[steelcityraven]

  5 hours ago, sami said:

we are never going to have a great offensive line if we keep letting them walk. We do need a new center but we need to retain Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner.

Wagner is ranked 50 best out of 60 tackles. He is having a horrible year. Let him walk.

Wagner is having a bad year but everyone who comes off of a linsfranc fracture does. He played great before the injury... he has a great work ethic... he just needs a little more time.... and big guys come back slower from it then the small guys do. We need to find a way to keep Wags... (obviously he should not command a top OL salary) but his bad season in a contract year actually works to our advantage.

We know he can play when healthy... and we know he is committed to getting better.... he just needs time.

[steelcityraven]

Mallett jumps out at me because they still miss on every other QB they select through the draft.

we need to keep Mallett

[steelcityraven]

Would love to see SSS stick around one more year but I think he is ready to move on. Much respect whatever he decides!

[purpledown]

one thought on this:Sign Brandon WIlliams!

[whobilly]

Every time I see Flacco's salary number I lol...and then I cry. The dude should be paid like a 5th round rookie the way he's been playing.

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

[rmcjacket23]

Flacco's cap hit SMH... And we did abandon the run. Being down two scores in the 3rd quarter is no excuse. Keep our defense off the field so they can regroup. Dixon NEEDS MORE CARRIES! West is a 1 cut back with mediocre vision. Dixon give our offense life, both as a runner and receiver with Flacco's check downs.

We weren't down two scores until 11 minutes left in the game.

And yes, you definitely abandon the run at that point. Running the ball accomplishes literally nothing.

[rmcjacket23]

  6 hours ago, sami said:

we are never going to have a great offensive line if we keep letting them walk. We do need a new center but we need to retain Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner.

Wagner is ranked 50 best out of 60 tackles. He is having a horrible year. Let him walk.

Source?

[Minionhunter]

  4 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Flacco's cap hit SMH... And we did abandon the run. Being down two scores in the 3rd quarter is no excuse. Keep our defense off the field so they can regroup. Dixon NEEDS MORE CARRIES! West is a 1 cut back with mediocre vision. Dixon give our offense life, both as a runner and receiver with Flacco's check downs.

We weren't down two scores until 11 minutes left in the game.

And yes, you definitely abandon the run at that point. Running the ball accomplishes literally nothing.

I've grown weary of explaining this Jacket, I'm glad you can keep at it, I fear most are lost on this point. Sunday was the litmus test for intelligent analysis of games. I think that some people either are just looking at the most superficial stat lines or they don't understand how truly debilitating the penalties were in crippling our ability to use the run. Some games they have abandoned the run, mostly under Trestman, but not this past Sunday.

The exception might be for those who think running the ball should take place on all downs and distances. If that's the case, then I guess they are right, we didn't commit to running the ball to the exclusion of everything else.

[ArsenalRaven666]

Could loose a number of players but there are some depending on the price I would like to keep. Williams is a beast and should be a priority signing but we cannot enter/win a bidding war. Juszczyk should be easy to resign with the top 5 fb make $1.5-2mil per year. Wagner is recovering from the foot injury and wont be highly recruited, $4-5mil range max. Need to draft a backup QB or resign Mallett.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Flacco's cap hit SMH... And we did abandon the run. Being down two scores in the 3rd quarter is no excuse. Keep our defense off the field so they can regroup. Dixon NEEDS MORE CARRIES! West is a 1 cut back with mediocre vision. Dixon give our offense life, both as a runner and receiver with Flacco's check downs.

We weren't down two scores until 11 minutes left in the game.

And yes, you definitely abandon the run at that point. Running the ball accomplishes literally nothing.

I've grown weary of explaining this Jacket, I'm glad you can keep at it, I fear most are lost on this point. Sunday was the litmus test for intelligent analysis of games. I think that some people either are just looking at the most superficial stat lines or they don't understand how truly debilitating the penalties were in crippling our ability to use the run. Some games they have abandoned the run, mostly under Trestman, but not this past Sunday.

The exception might be for those who think running the ball should take place on all downs and distances. If that's the case, then I guess they are right, we didn't commit to running the ball to the exclusion of everything else.

No joke. It's insane, actually.

[JamesA119]

  4 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Every time I see Flacco's salary number I lol...and then I cry. The dude should be paid like a 5th round rookie the way he's been playing.

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

NFL contracts are usually structured to compensate players for the present and future performance, not past performance. However the best indication of future performance, is previous productivity.
He played well in 2012, but it's 4 yrs later now. He hasn't played well at all in that span, and the team is below .500 over that span. While his previous performance enabled him to cash in, it still doesn't negate the buyer's remorse among fans due to his dismal performance since signing that original contract.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  4 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Every time I see Flacco's salary number I lol...and then I cry. The dude should be paid like a 5th round rookie the way he's been playing.

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

NFL contracts are usually structured to compensate players for the present and future performance, not past performance. However the best indication of future performance, is previous productivity.
He played well in 2012, but it's 4 yrs later now. He hasn't played well at all in that span, and the team is below .500 over that span. While his previous performance enabled him to cash in, it still doesn't negate the buyer's remorse among fans due to his dismal performance since signing that original contract.

Good points. Ya, the confetti was nice. But he didn't get paid until after the confetti. With exception of the Kubiak season, Flacco has been pretty terrible. So needless to say, since signing the contract, he's most certainly not lived up to it.

[bigcatfrank1]

Metal- True that they are "structured to compensate players for present....not past performance" Though it is also true that every position in the NFL is salaried in accordance with IMMEDIATE demand of what teams will pay for a player at that position. So in essence the value of the contract is based on the past performance of the player and the current market value of the position. Joe Flacco is no different when it comes to that. His 2012 Super bowl class qualified him to acquire a contract of performance and market value. End of story. He has not played very well this year, he was hurt last year so its normal that as fans when the team is down the attitude is down. So his value is down, he and the entire team can play better. I will tell you this, if the rest of the team plays better I would bet and bet big, Joe plays better as a result. Some may see it the other way around. Lastly, some teams like the Ravens see a great value in Joe because he worked at a high level for 5 years on a "lower" scale salary. winning 17 playoff games and a Super Bowl, prior to a large contract. Something the likes of Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, Phillip Rivers, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Hasselback, Jay Cutler, and Sam Bradford never did!

[RaRaRavens]

8 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

[BallsoHard622]

I would offer b Williams a respectable contract but wouldn't over pay him. He's having a decent year but the undrafted free agent is playing better to me an pierce can rush the passer. I would offer Wagner a decent contract to an redo ebbs deal. Give Webb cash but don't extend the years. Dumervil mite be done an sss is probably going to retire.we need money for a nice corner...period!

[BallsoHard622]

1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

I agree 1000% with u

[BallsoHard622]

I would offer b Williams a respectable contract but wouldn't over pay him. He's having a decent year but the undrafted free agent is playing better to me an pierce can rush the passer. I would offer Wagner a decent contract to an redo ebbs deal. Give Webb cash but don't extend the years. Dumervil mite be done an sss is probably going to retire.we need money for a nice corner...period!

[BallsoHard622]

I would offer b Williams a respectable contract but wouldn't over pay him. He's having a decent year but the undrafted free agent is playing better to me an pierce can rush the passer. I would offer Wagner a decent contract to an redo ebbs deal. Give Webb cash but don't extend the years. Dumervil mite be done an sss is probably going to retire.we need money for a nice corner...period!

[sizzlingdoom]

Would love to see SSS stick around one more year but I think he is ready to move on. Much respect whatever he decides!

Agreed

[sizzlingdoom]

one thought on this:Sign Brandon WIlliams!

We must. We will instantly become SOFTER all around without him. Ravens teams are NOT soft. We MUST have Pierce and BWILL playing next to eachother for AS LONG AS POSSIBLE

[Crusader]

Seriously, I would not be upset if a new coaching staff would come in and review the talent and start fresh. There are a lot of players thar need to move on. Maybe better some place else or get better coached here. Case in point 4 years bad secondary, no run game, and Joe getting scaked.

[20306cab]

  7 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

I agree 1000% with u

THIS! FBAJ is killing the Ravens every which way possible. And to tell the truth, he's been only average his entire career. 83% rating. But he's been Far Below Average since the 2012 SB.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

  15 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

[Rav'n Maniac]

BWill deserves everything that may come his way. It is my hope that we offer a competitive contract that will entice him to stay. At the same time, he's has to want to be here as there will undoubtedly be other teams trying to buy him away. I would really hate to see him go to a bottom-feeder just for the money. We have seen that happen before and the players worth just falls off the cliff.

[hereweare]

13 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

BWill deserves everything that may come his way. It is my hope that we offer a competitive contract that will entice him to stay. At the same time, he's has to want to be here as there will undoubtedly be other teams trying to buy him away. I would really hate to see him go to a bottom-feeder just for the money. We have seen that happen before and the players worth just falls off the cliff.

If the FO views B will as important as Ngata was in his years, then they will pay him. And if Ray Lewis was still around he would be in Ozzies office everyday preaching to keep him lol (so that Olineman don't get to Ray at the second level)

Side note: Ngata received 5yr/61mil in 2011 lol.

[JamesA119]

  10 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  19 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

[bigcatfrank1]

  20 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

Ra ra, Your points seem to be about play on the field are true...but are really not the same situation as current contract issues. Unless you are saying to FIRE Joe Flacco. That is probably not going to happen. The real issue is that Joe has a negotiated contract for a QB position in the NFL because he is a Super Bowl winning quarterback with multi play-off wins that is comparable with other peers in his field ( aka Russel Wilson (7-3) Drew Brees (4-6) Aaron Rogers (4-6), Eli Manning ( 7-3), and even others who haven't won a SB making a payday very similar ( Carson Palmer (4-5) Matt Ryan (6-4), Andrew Luck (5-5) Phillip Rivers (4-6). Terms like "Payday" and the "big contract" occur to QB's and often key players its just the nature of the beast. He is absolutely not having a good season this year, no doubt. He could improve those statistics, maybe, maybe not. But it will not change next year for the Ravens when it comes to Joe Flacco, that's for sure. So the article really focuses on the rest of the team, the UFA and the caps that may need to be looked at. If some of the other "pay day" earners were to step up it may go a long way.... Go Ravens

[bigcatfrank1]

  3 hours ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

  11 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  20 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

Lets just put it another way.....Imagine this Ravens team with Priest Holmes, Shannon Sharpe, Ed Reed and Rod Woodson. It really is about playmakers!

[JamesA119]

  8 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  11 hours ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

  19 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  On November 23, 2016 at 4:24 PM, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

Lets just put it another way.....Imagine this Ravens team with Priest Holmes, Shannon Sharpe, Ed Reed and Rod Woodson. It really is about playmakers!

How unrealistic! So the Ravens nation would have to wait for the second coming of Holmes, Sharpe, Reed, and Woodson. What a nirvana!
It'll be much simpler if the players we have just elevate their games.